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Australian “Male Studies” initiative under fire because of its connections to raving misogynists; raving misogynists blame feminists

Antifeminist attorney, A Voice for Men contributor and and would-be Male Studies lecturer Roy Den Hollander bustin' a move on the Colbert Report.
Antifeminist attorney,  A Voice for Men contributor, and would-be Male Studies lecturer Roy Den Hollander bustin’ a move on the Colbert Report.

NOTE: See the end of the piece for an important clarification from the University.

So it seems the new “Male Studies” initiative at the University of South Australia is running into a few problems. Well, one big problem: members of the general public have discovered that some of the people involved with the initiative are raving misogynists, or have chosen to associate themselves with raving misogynists.

Yesterday, a story by journalist Tory Shepherd noted that two of the lecturers have written for a notoriously misogynistic website by the name of A Voice for Men. (You may have heard of it.) One of them, the crankish American attorney Roy Den Hollander, even suggested in a post on that site that men’s rights activists may have to take up arms against the evil Feminists who run the world.

The future prospect of the Men’s Movement raising enough money to exercise some influence in America is unlikely.  But there is one remaining source of power in which men still have a near monopoly—firearms.

Huh. That doesn’t sound like a very academic analysis of the situtation to me.

Den Hollander also likes to refer to “women’s studies” as “witches’ studies.” And if you don’t believe her, here’s the AVFM post in which he does just that; it’s in the first sentence.

Apparently pointing out some of these basic facts about Den Hollander, and about another of the lecturers, Miles Groth, who has also written for AVFM, is causing some trouble for Dr. Misan and his little Male Studies initiative — at least according to a post on AVFM by the always furious Paul Elam, who informs us somberly that

[s]ources close to the story report that [Shepherd’s article] is likely a terminal setback for the new initiative.

Elam fights back against Shepherd’s alleged “lies” in a paragraph that is itself nothing but lies:

The article by Shepherd is saturated with the typical lies, e.g.: that the SPLC named AVFM as a hate group, which they did not, and that this website regularly calls women “bitches and whores,” which it does not. She also implied a connection between AVFM and those championing the initiative which does not exist.

Actually, Shepherd said that the SPLC described AVFM as a “hate site,” not a “hate group.” This is in fact true, as the SPLC included AVFM in a list of “woman-hating sites,” which would make it a hate site, as the hatred of women is in fact a kind of hate.

And AVFM does in fact refer to women regularly as whores and bitches and other slurs. Indeed, in one notorious post about Rebecca Watson, Elam managed to use the word “whore” more than 30 times; as for the word “bitch,” well, check out this compilation of AVFM posts featuring that word in the title. As you’ll see from that post, Elam also likes referring to women as “cunts,” and once referred to the feminist blogosphere as the “cunt-o-sphere.”

Do your own searches for “whore” or “bitch” on AVFM to find more recent examples.

Shepherd doesn’t, in fact, imply any “connection” between AVFM and “those championing the initiative” beyond the undeniable fact that two of the lecturers have written for AVFM, and that AVFM has heralded the Male Studies initiative. Interestingly, it’s Elam, with his talk about  “[s]ources close to the story,” who implies an even closer connection than Shepherd does.

The rest of Elam’s post is a remarkable mixture of self-contradicting lies and self-delusion. First, he declares “Male Studies” to be a pure-as-the-driven snow example of non-ideological scholarship.

In writing this article Shepherd actually served as a mouthpiece for academic feminists invested in blocking the attempt to study human males in a non-ideological, scholarly fashion.

How exactly is someone who describes himself explicitly as antifeminist, who describes women’s studies as “witches studies,” and who’s written for AVFM on several occasions an example of someone who is trying “to study human males in a non-ideological, scholarly fashion?”

Elam then launches into one of his typical chest-beating fuck-their-shit-up ideological rants:

The Men’s Human Rights Movement is not going to go away. Indeed, even as we regret the temporary setback of an important and valuable initiative, we do welcome another opportunity to shine a light on the ideologically twisted agenda of people who would undermine an academic program with the ambition to enhance our understanding of an egregiously underserved population.

Yes, that’s right. The world’s men have been “egregiously underserved.”

This type of bullying and public deception is precisely what has catapulted the Men’s Human Rights Movement into rapid growth and increasing popularity in such a short period of time.

The only bullying and deception I’m seeing here is coming from your side, dude. Women aren’t talking about taking up arms against men. You’re the one who’s lying about what Shepherd said.

From assaultive, criminal demonstrators in Toronto blocking doors to a lecture on male suicide, to this – an obviously orchestrated attack on honorable academicians — the reality of what feminism has become, and the depths to which it has lowered, is again in full public view.

Uh, Roy Den Hollander isn’t an “honorable academician.” And, frankly, neither is anyone who chooses to associate themselves with your site. I’m not sure how Shepherd’s one article counts as an “obviously orchestrated attack,” but all she did was point out what Hollander said, and point out the sort of misogynistic shit you publish on your shitty website.

In other words, Mr. Elam, you guys have dug your own hole here — with you, personally, bringing one of the bigger shovels.

Just think: A Voice for Men may be in large part responsible for the collapse of this Male Studies initiative, because you and the others writing on your site can’t hide your raging misogyny, and can’t resist the temptation to call women “bitches” and “whores.”

This is the lesson of all the publicity you guys have gotten in the last year: when members of the general public learn what you guys actually believe, they are repulsed by it. The more attention you get, the more people oppose you.

After some more ranting that he might as well have cut and pasted from any of  a dozen previous posts of his, Elam ends with one of his trademark vague threats:

We will force their hand, again and again. And each time they demonstrate their moral bankruptcy; their limitless capacity for tyranny, the more they will generate the contempt and indignation they deserve. And the more people will realize that the only way forward is straight through them.

You’re just digging that hole deeper.

EDITED TO ADD: The Universityof Southern Australia has clarified a few things about the Male Studies initiatives. According to a piece in the Sydney Morning Herald, the school only approved one of the four proposed courses, and officially rejected (back in 2012) the one that would have included Den Hollander and Groth as lecturers. Here’s what the newspaper says:

The university has approved one of four proposed graduate courses, a certificate in male health and health promotion, which will begin online next month.

But an original proposal by one of the university’s academics outlined three further certificates, including a course called ”males and sexism”, which named lecturers who have been published on radical men’s rights websites. …

The university emphasised it did not endorse views of the suggested lecturers. It said the courses, which were criticised in the media on Monday, were rejected in 2012.

So that’s reassuring to hear.

I removed a portion of my post referring to Gary Misan, in charge of the course, because in light of this information it’s not clear if he was referring to all four courses, including those involving Den Hollander and Groth, or just to the male health course.

Oddly, though, Dr. Misan seems to think that the University has signed up for more than one course. On his official University of South Australia web site he describes himself as “program co-ordinator for a new suite of courses in Male Studies at UniSA, the first of which will be offered in 2014.”

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often_partisan
often_partisan
7 years ago

It’s amazing how these guys manage to shoot themselves in the foot over and over, isn’t it?

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

“male studies” could be a valuable course – if it were about toxic masculinity and unpacking gender roles. But no, they have to make it about cheerleading themselves instead.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

We will force their hand, again and again. And each time they demonstrate their moral bankruptcy; their limitless capacity for tyranny, the more they will generate the contempt and indignation they deserve.

Hmmm. Elam actually said something pretty astute here, but not the way he thinks. This perfectly describes the MRM and AVFM. Each time MRA’s demonstrate their moral bankruptcy; their limitless capacity for tyranny, the more they will generate the contempt and indignation thy deserve. They’re pretty much denying stuff that’s right there on their site that anyone can easily read. And that stuff’s pretty damn bad.

The future prospect of the Men’s Movement raising enough money to exercise some influence in America is unlikely. But there is one remaining source of power in which men still have a near monopoly—firearms.

An attorney said this? Is the bar association aware? Doesn’t making veiled threats of violence constitute some kind of ethics violation?

kittehserf
7 years ago

Fucking typical of the way things are going this country these days. We’re going backwards at high speed. The right-wingers will be loving this.

For a moment I thought the pic was of John Clarke, but no such luck.

DeutschundMusik
DeutschundMusik
7 years ago

The university must be checking into den Hollander’s credentials as we speak. No doubt they will find that he is a monster of frivolous litigiousness from whom they should stay far away, or suffer the fate of Tokyo at the hands of Godzilla.

http://bitchmagazine.org/post/court-confirms-that-feminism-is-not-a-religion-and-that-roy-den-hollander-is-a-waste-of-its-tim

DeutschundMusik
DeutschundMusik
7 years ago

Excuse me, I meant the claws of Godzilla, of course…or whatever he has on the ends of his tiny little arms…

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Witches Studies? Oh noes, they have discovered our secret! When you get the list of required reading and so on for Intro to Women’s Studies the first item on the list is always “cauldron”.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

Witches Studies? Oh noes, they have discovered our secret! When you get the list of required reading and so on for Intro to Women’s Studies the first item on the list is always “cauldron”.

Just as long as they don’t their hands on our grimoires.

marinerachel
marinerachel
7 years ago

Sorry – how stupid does the admin of any university department have to be to hire a dipshit like Den hollander without looking at his credentials?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I wonder if it will ever occur to them that the Colbert Report feature is an illustration of how the mainstream sees them. Putting themselves out there more will just result in more mockery and disgust.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
7 years ago

The cauldron is necessary for making the scented candles.

When I make my candles I hang them out to dry on the out-of-reach hopes and dreams of men. Then I make a cup of tea.

DeutschundMusik
DeutschundMusik
7 years ago

Goodness Gracious, I have just watched the most hilarious vid of my life…the one David posted from The Colbert report.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Misandry tea, designed to shrink the testicles of any male foolish enough to ingest it. Our friend should focus his litigation efforts on banning that next.

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

I would take the hell out of a witches studies course.

historophilia
historophilia
7 years ago

Do they realise that Masculinity Studies and Masculinity as a factor in historical and sociological analysis is an extremely common thing in academia and has been for decades?

I mean in my first term or my first year of my history degree I had the option to study Medieval Masculinity and nowhere was given the option to study Femininity or just women?

There may be Women’s Studies departments but it is very much the case that they are kept separate from the rest of academia whereas the specific study of men and masculinity is a regular part of undergraduate studied.

As a Medieval Historian I am constantly reading stuff about Medieval Masculinity is all sorts of contexts but I have never, ever come across anything written about Femininity.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

Brewed from the finest bottled dudebro tears, of course.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

So, spurred on by DeutschundMusik’s link to do a bit of Googling, I turned up this lovely document–the .pdf of his complaint against the INS for granting his ex-wife a visa on the grounds that he abused her.

It’s rather fascinating, if disturbing, reading. If you grant him complete benefit of the doubt, he comes across as the world’s greatest chump, marrying a stripper/prostitute who immediately began sex-work as soon as she got off the plane.

Of course, given that he was able to garner ample evidence of prior conduct on her part (including, ew, a ‘masturbation video’ that he submitted as part of his filing), the notion that he had no idea she was a sex worker prior to the marriage is at least straining my sense of credibility.

Furthermore, what he fails in the document to comprehend is that he wasn’t convicted of anything by the INS–instead, they simply found his ex’s complaint valid enough to not immediately deport her. The only ‘harm’ he suffered by her retaining her legal residency is that… she gets to stay in the same country as he lives in. (Well, that, and he then has to actually deal with her allegations in divorce court, if she chose to make them as part of the divorce filings.) MISANDRY!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I love how the other lawyer was struggling not to laugh when talking about the case. Yep, you guys sure are winning hearts and minds with this MRA stuff.

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

Misandry tea, designed to shrink the testicles of any male foolish enough to ingest it. Our friend should focus his litigation efforts on banning that next.

Also, foreskin face creams.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
7 years ago

@cassandra it’s the feminist trick which explains why sperm counts are going down over time.

@sparky, of course. I double-distill the tears before I use them as well.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
7 years ago

How does a movement devoted to shitting on most of the world’s population still manage to be its own worst enemy?

Robert Ramirez
7 years ago

Witches Studies? Now I feel like Harry Poter. I get itall now, Harry Potter is part of the Feminist Plot™ to indoctrinate children into the evil matriarchy and END CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT!

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
7 years ago

@ Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III: because the “strategy” of shitting on one’s own worst enemy often rebounds.

Hamlet Act 3, scene 4, 202–209 “There’s letters seal’d, and my two schoolfellows,
Whom I will trust as I will adders fang’d—
They bear the mandate, they must sweep my way
And marshal me to knavery. Let it work;
For ’tis the sport to have the enginer
Hoist with his own petard, an’t shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines
And blow them at the moon.”

So it was recognised as a silly approach back in the 16th century.

Ms Getta Lode
Ms Getta Lode
7 years ago

The Colbert Report piece is the very first result when you google that turd. How dense do you have to be to hire a guy like that??

OH
OH
7 years ago

As a rain-coated professor of indecent exposure studies, I wish to dis-associate myself from and condemn the men’s rights movement in the strongest possible terms, for being a bunch of pseudo-academics.

drst
drst
7 years ago

If it was called “Witches’ Studies” I would have majored in it.

kittehserf
7 years ago

The misogynist morons are out in strength in the article David linked … surprise, not.

leatapp
leatapp
7 years ago

It’s as if these guys are just itching for an excuse to murder women. The ones calling for it won’t leave the warm safe glow of their monitors, though.They’re just hoping some other poor shlub will act out their fantasies for them. They’re encouraging terrorism.

The more attention you get, the more people oppose you.

Exactly.

Robert Ramirez,
That was my first thought too. “Oooo…like Hogwarts? Sign me up!”
Wingardium Leviosa!

cupisnique
7 years ago

It does worry me that morons like that guy are given any kind of platform what-so-ever to spout their garbage, but it’s especially troubling when the platform allows their ideas to fall under the guise of “academic” thought. It lends far too much (which in my opinion is any at all) legitimacy to their frankly just downright hateful ideology.

And if this guy thinks that what he is teaching is devoid of “ideology” he is so fucking mistaken, any discipline in an academic setting is well versed in an understanding of the postmodern critique which is simply that knowledge production is itself a product of a culture. Actually, it was feminism that was part of that postmodernist movement and pointed out that because men were predominantly creating knowledge they were leaving out other genders from pretty well every discipline, therefore what knowledge they were creating could only be half of the story and not the “Truth”.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Gotta give them this — they’re always good for a laugh.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

Keep fucking that chicken, Elam!

dallasapple
dallasapple
7 years ago

Oh ma gosh! There was a laugh track in that video! As well there should be!

kittehserf
7 years ago

cupiqnesque, thanks for that link. They really should give the idiot connected with those two the arse, if only for being a total embarassment.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

It’s amazing how these guys manage to shoot themselves in the foot over and over, isn’t it?

Well, they do hold the monopoly on firearms.

DeutschundMusik
DeutschundMusik
7 years ago

Mr. van Hollander seems to not want anyone to know his age, as he only likes to screw, er, date, women in their teens and 20s. However, in that Complaint Freemage posted above in the comments, it say at the end that he’s an Esquire, with the date “1957”. Is it possible that “1957” is the year he became a Bar member? Because, that would make him about 80…what else could that date mean? And if he’s 80, how does he look so, well, tight of face? I would like some tips.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

Okay, honest question; is a “male studies” classes needed at all, anywhere? How are men not learning enough about men already? What secret male perspective is not being taught in schools? Seriously. If they really need it, then go ahead, but I’m not convinced that this is even necessary. Whenever education for boys comes up in the MRM it’s all “women are going to school at a slightly higher percentage than us and we have to sit down for a long time” 🙁

dallasapple
dallasapple
7 years ago

His wife was a Russian prostitute.

justabrowngirl
justabrowngirl
7 years ago

I personally enjoin my witches’ studies, like this little charm I recite when uncooperative male don’t fall under my famine wiles.

Twist the bones and bend the back
Itchita Copita Malica Mystica
Trim (him/her) of (him/her) baby fat
Itchita Copita Malica Mystica
Give (him/her) fur black as black
Just…like….this….

Just kidding, is cat spell from (Hocus Pocus), I still love that movie.

SredniVashtar
SredniVashtar
7 years ago

Does anyone else think maybe it’s fair enough to sue bars that hold ladies’ nights? I mean, that per se doesn’t strike me as ‘antifeminist’. To my mind there’s a decent case to be made that people shouldn’t be charged differently for the same product/service based on their sex/race/whatever.

Disclaimer: not defending this guy in any way – just saying that one activity isn’t by itself objectionable – sounds like he’s got loads of other objectionable activities and is a raging wingnut who threatens armed violence against his ideological opponents.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

My comment came off as meaner than I wanted it to. I just have a very, very dim view of what “male studies” according to the MRM would be.

cupisnique
7 years ago

Yeah, I’m not sure there needs to be a whole major at a University about male studies, I’m pretty sure it’s called History anyway.

dallasapple
dallasapple
7 years ago

Did ya’ll watch this ???Its Saturday Night Live…I got my ab work out laughing!

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/379605/march-31-2011/difference-makers—roy-den-hollander

SredniVashtar
SredniVashtar
7 years ago

@Buttercup Q Skullpants: thanks for making me snort my all-nighter fuel (Red Bull!) over my keyboard! Brilliant.

cupisnique
7 years ago

I had to find that video elsewhere, Colbert needs to show Canada some more love.

clairerpullenClaire Pullen

First time commenter, long time reader and fan: thought you might like our Clem Ford’s hilarious take on this. Hard to pick a favourite part, but I like:

“Because Genuine Conversations are Scary: Studies in Negging

Let’s face it: even though all women are hellish ovary-demons who feast on men’s souls and bank accounts, a grown man still needs someone to wash his bedsheets and engage with him in clammy, efficient missionary intercourse. But how to lure a mate into your Fortress of Solitude when she wants to talk – out of turn – about things that aren’t you? Yak, yak, yak! Thankfully, women are about as easy to manipulate as calculators, except that instead of spelling ‘boobies’, you can touch them! The ancient, inscrutable mysteries of how to insult a woman into bed with you will be laid bare in this not-to-be-missed subject, along with your inability to credit one half of all human people as being more intelligent than the average dog.”

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/what-would-a-mens-rights-course-look-like-20140113-30qxu.html

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

@SredniVashtar I don’t know about taking people to court over it, but I do think ladies nights are silly and sort of creepy. Hardly something to be fuming over, but yes, I think ladies nights should be done away with.

leatapp
leatapp
7 years ago

I haven’t actually seen a Ladies Night in years. Is that even still a thing?

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