Men Going Their Own Way blather endlessly about how women won’t shut up

Sorry, gals! You'll never be as blabby as Men Going Their Own Way

Sorry, gals! You’ll never be as blabby as Men Going Their Own Way

So the nice gentlemen over on MGTOWforums are trying to get to the bottom of what they see as a very important question: Why Can’t They Ever Shut Up?  

Unfortunately, they’re not asking this question about their fellow Men Going Their Own Way and their tendency to blather on and on about the manifold evils of women. No, they’re talking about women and their alleged inability to shut up. And they have some, well, interesting theories to share.

NonNegotiable offers these highly scientific thoughts:

I have a hypothesis that women possess a gland that produces mindless chatter, like the liver produces bile, and if they don’t constantly vent it, it builds up in their system & becomes toxic. The healthy venting of toxic chatter facilitated the invention of cell-phones & texting, allowing women to mindlessly chatter over great distances.

While men appreciate solitude, he explains, women can’t stand it:

In solitude & silence, most men can introspect and, should they come up against his own mortality & the ultimate futility of existence, can conclude, “I will rage against the dying of the light!”

In the same situation, women will be overcome with terror; they literally cannot be alone with their thoughts & will do whatever it takes to distract themselves from thinking about tomorrow, let alone their own mortality.

I should note that, despite the widespread belief that women talk a lot more than men, men and women actually are pretty much equal when it comes to the gift of the gab. The widely cited “fact” that men utter 7,000 words a day while women spout 20,000 seems to be nothing more than an urban myth; several meta-analyses of the actual studies out there suggest that men and women talk about the same amount.

But don’t tell the MGTOWers, because the inherent greater blabbiness of women is a subject they love, love, love to blab about. Here’s Octavian with his own extremely long-winded explanation for this thing that isn’t true:

Us men being men, we can’t think of an existence without some degree of tranquility.

Unfortunately, evolution has denied the understanding of that concept to women. Let us go back to why we men value solitude.It is because we can contemplate higher degrees of thought in that state.Thoughts on cosmic matters, justice,the state of our own lives, the lives of others, or the universe as a whole, can all she evaluated and discussed internally without a single word needing to be spoken.

But apparently thoughts on why women are awful need to be shared publicly, at great length.

Now, lets take a field trip into the mind of a female.Don your protective suits, because even though we’ll keep the trip short your mind might hurt from the experience.

To contemplate what goes on in the head of a woman, the image of an interstellar singularity comes to mind.A woman is biologically unable to comprehend the very thoughts we men prize and , innately ,take for granted.Contemplate a human intellect denied the ability to think, and you have the nature of a woman cornered.She cannot understand justice, she cannot grasp lives outside of her own, and she is unable to identify with any being besides herself.She can think, she can reason, but has no idea what to reason about.

Er, citation needed? Or, rather, ALL THE CITATIONS.

Her mind is therefore a black hole of consumption, materialism, and selfishness. If a woman thinks to herself for long, it’s like a computer trapped in a loop-she doesn’t know why things aren’t right, but she knows mentally what’s happening upstairs isn’t good.Add in this innate emptiness with the general fickle nature of women, and you have a brain incapable of positive reflection when left alone.

Unlike you guys, who obviously think only noble and uplifting  and profound thoughts while you are sitting alone at home with your computer, and don’t just sit and stew about how much you hate the ladies.

That’s why us men are so critical for a woman’s mental health-without our centered mental natures, shes like an aircraft with no instruments flying through a thunderstorm, unaware of the mountain looming unseen in the gloom.

Yeah, the men of MGTOWforums are pretty much the epitome of “centered.”

So she has to talk.About SOMETHING .Or shell have to face her own empty nature without the means to understand it.It’s why those surveys say the biggest fear of a woman isn’t death, destitution, or poor health-it is being alone which frightens the female most.

Want to make a woman fall for you?It’s easy.Just distract her from herself as long as you can.The situation is so bleak women would rather be beaten to a pulp by a violent man then face being alone even briefly.

That’s right. He honestly believes that women sign up for domestic violence just so they can have someone to talk to between beatings.

Strong_hand, who presumably spends a lot of time alone with his hand, has a slightly different theory: It’s all a long con.

Women can’t do SHIT on their own. They need men to do things for them so they can indulge in consumption, materialism and selfishness.

Just as babies have only one power, crying, women have only one power: talking. You can count pussy/SMV as another power but it’s available to them for only about 20 years max. They talk to get INFORMATION that they can use to manipulate men to get them to do the things noted above.

Ask yourself, can they do anything EXCEPT talk someone into doing real work for them? Regardless of how well she can clean the house, at the end of the day, some MEN built the house and MEN do all of the real maintenance on it. Even with the massive technological advancements, most of the real work that enables modern society to function is done by men.

This is why they hate “the silent treatment.” It deprives them of the only power they have: to interrogate, probe, trade information and push buttons until they get every last bit of information they want & need.

They will NEVER shut up. This would be giving up the only power they have. Why should they bother to think, anyway, when they can talk men into doing all the hard work of thinking and acting on that thinking?

Do men like this actually believe this crap? Women are half the workforce. How exactly does someone go about their life or their career in contemporary America without seeing ample evidence, on a daily basis, of women working as hard as men? Does he live in some weird boys-only STEM clubhouse?

CaniGhost, meanwhile, thinks that women are just copying men, without really understanding what talking is for:

We know that women largely emulate men (they mirror you to get you into a relationship). Women may watch – from a young age – men talking and enjoying the talk between one another. Two grown men. But unknown to her, the men enjoy the chat because they are exchanging ideas and value. To the girl, she sees just chatter. She grows up emulating that, believing that men like chatter.

Because women lack an ability to contribute or do actual work, all chatter for them is without value or weight. All chatter is equal chatter in their mind.

Thus they chat to (in their mind) because men enjoy it.

Well, you have to give him points for creativity.

I would say more, but as a man I am naturally laconic.

Well, in this case I’m actually just dumbfounded.

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Posted on January 11, 2014, in are these guys 12 years old?, citation needed, domestic violence, empathy deficit, evil women, grandiosity, mansplaining, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, oppressed men, that's completely wrong, women's jobs aren't real and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 190 Comments.

  1. We know that MRAS and MGTOWS largely emulate feminists (they mirror you to try to gain respect). They may watch – from a young age – feminists talking and enjoying the talk between one another. Two grown feminists. Maybe even showing great emotion as they chat. But unknown to the MRA and the MGTOW, the feminists enjoy the chat because they are exchanging ideas and value, and show emotion because they discuss many real problems and hardships they face. To the MRA and the MGTOW, he sees just chatter, and whining. He grows up emulating that, believing that feminists just chatter and whine.

    Because MRAS and MGTOWS (especially MGTOWS) lack an ability to contribute or do actual work, all chatter and whining for them is without value or weight. But all chatter is not equal chatter in their mind, as their own chatter is seen as the more productive chatter merely because they are men, and also intellectual children (manchildren, if you will).

    Thus they chat and whine (in their mind) because feminists do.

    I fixed it.

  2. The funny thing is that the MRM actually does try to imitate feminism, but they shoot themselves in the foot by being unwilling or unable to form relationships. They can’t get anything done partly because they don’t know how to cooperate, the best approximation they can manage is shutting up for a few minutes so the other guy can talk, and some of them can’t even manage that.

  3. lana, vaiyt – I obviously didn’t make myself clear. I know education doesn’t equal lack of cognitive dissonance, and lack of higher education doesn’t equal lack of emotional intelligence. I don’t have any tertiary qualifications, y’know, and didn’t even do the final year of high school, so I can’t lay claim even to proper secondary qualifications.

    My point is that these douchecanoes don’t just demonstrate cognitive dissonance and emotional stupidity – they don’t show any grasp of anything. History? Fucking ignorant. Biology? Laughably so. Maths? Don’t even ask, Argenti will explode. There’s no way any of these chucklefucks is in a high-end profession. They’re like Dr General Admiral Lord High Executioner Pell, with his degrees in everything, all of which come from the University of HisAss.

    I knew that’s what you meant Kitteh dawling ..I just had to clarify for you …(((SMILE))))

    (((HUGS))))))

  4. SMILIE

    Smilie!

  5. They really do CassandraSays. I don’t even know if what I wrote should be called sarcasm, because it makes so much sense.

  6. Well, this is just a big ol’ stinking like if wrong.

    And these guys, besides being completely misogynistic and willfully ignorant and wrong, are just plain lazy. I mean, if your whole “hypothesis” is that women are incapable of thought, that can be pretty easily disproven. I mean, on Google you can find big lists of women doing blank thing that requires actual deep thought processes. Women scientists. Women writers. Women mathematitians. Women artists. Etc. Or, y’know, just walk out your front door and interact with real, actual women.

    To contemplate what goes on in the head of a woman, the image of an interstellar singularity comes to mind.A woman is biologically unable to comprehend the very thoughts we men prize and , innately ,take for granted.

    Octavian does not appear to understand what a singularity is:


    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity

    Ask yourself, can they do anything EXCEPT talk someone into doing real work for them? Regardless of how well she can clean the house, at the end of the day, some MEN built the house and MEN do all of the real maintenance on it.

    Well, this actually a relief. I always thought the housework I did was work essential to the day-to-day upkeep of house and family. I had no idea it wasn’t unnecessary “fake” work. I think, then, I’m just to give up the pretense completely and neve wash another dish, sweep another floor, cook another meal or wash another load of laundry. Nope, just going to let those things like up and lay on the couch eating bon-bons and watching talk shows.

  7. “Like if” =”pile of”

    “I had no idea it wasn’t unnecessary ‘fake’ work”=”I had no idea it was unnecessary ‘fake’ work.”

    Tonight, apparently, I can not type.

  8. This all reads like a David Sim rant, now that I think about it.

    Oh wait that can’t be right because I thought it, and women don’t have thoughts.

  9. Just got out of 10 hours of unbroken social interaction and kept thinking of this post.

  10. Yes, mentioning their inability to do math will make me explode. And then you’ll have to clean up my brain, ick!

  11. I could share a lot about myself or simply boil this down to: These guys are full of shit.

  12. To contemplate what goes on in the head of a woman, the image of an interstellar singularity comes to mind.

    d00d! Did you just call us, collectively, a black hole? Tsk, tsk. Can’t you for just ONE minute get your head out of our vaginas?

    A woman is biologically unable to comprehend the very thoughts we men prize and , innately ,take for granted.

    Nope. Guess not!

  13. “To contemplate what goes on in the head of a woman, the image of an interstellar singularity comes to mind.”

    The astrophysicist in me is laughing. Black holes are not actual holes! They’re just called that because of their appearance!

  14. Hrm…

    Singularities–ie, black holes–are…

    … unimaginably powerful

    … perpetually taking in everything around them

    … often treated as being incredibly mysterious by Hollywood and the ignorant, when actually they’re about as well-understood as most celestial objects

    Huh. Yeah, sounds like a woman to me. What’s the issue? (I do love it when they use metaphors that are so completely full of fail.)

  15. Is there anything that doesn’t fill with fail when they use it?

  16. Is there anything that doesn’t fill with fail when they use it?

    An actual black hole, would be my guess…

  17. It’d be an interesting experiment … MRA Fail, the only known substance a black hole can choke on!

  18. Assholes. Male chatter good. Female chatter bad. No science, no citations to back this up. Just plain sexism, once again. You dudebros hate girls, that is all.

  19. Question here: There has been research — I’m pretty sure — suggesting that when women make up something like 30% of a group, it’s seen as being dominated by women. Or something similar. Does anyone know where I might track down this research?

  20. I can’t seem to find that study (my search terms are too broad), but I did find this on whether women talk more than men — http://www.pbs.org/speak/speech/prejudice/women/

  21. From KPrime, earlier in the thread:

    There was a study a while back (Spender 1979) that showed that when women constitute 30% of the speakers, men feel like they are dominating the conversation and threatening their ability to speak. I think this is pretty relevant to why these blabberfarts think that women talk more than men – because they perceive women talking at all to be too much.

  22. The full title of the article is “Language and Sex Difference” by D. Spender (1979). Couldn’t find the full article online, but it’s cited by this one, which might be helpful (but I only skimmed it, but it seems to cite articles of the type you’re looking for):


    http://www.cios.org/EJCPUBLIC/003/2/00328.HTML

    And this is a chapter from a book, but it also cites articles, so it might also turn up some good stuff:


    http://books.google.com/books?id=SAY5idFoyS8C&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&ots=og_Er49Crq&focus=viewport&dq=do+women+talk+more+than+men&lr=&output=html_text

  23. The essense of human males is testosterone which demands constant release, like steam in a kettle, usually in the form of either sex or violence or both; when a man is InCel, like these guys, the sex option is gone, so there’s only violence; and what variety of violence is based on the individual man’s circumstances, in this case, cyberviolence online. And violence is of course directed against one’s own foes, in this case, the women who made the man InCel in the first place by either rejecting him or traumatizing him (nagging, cuckoldry, dumping,etc) so much that he became fundamentally damaged and thus psychoemotionally dysfunctional. I dont doubt that deep down these men really want to go rheir own way, but they simply cant transcend the limitations of their biological nature.

  24. The essense of human males is testosterone which demands constant release, like steam in a kettle, usually in the form of either sex or violence or both; when a man is InCel, like these guys, the sex option is gone, so there’s only violence; and what variety of violence is based on the individual man’s circumstances, in this case, cyberviolence online. And violence is of course directed against one’s own foes, in this case, the women who made the man InCel in the first place by either rejecting him or traumatizing him (nagging, cuckoldry, dumping,etc) so much that he became fundamentally damaged and thus psychoemotionally dysfunctional. I dont doubt that deep down these men really want to go rheir own way, but they simply cant transcend the limitations of their biological nature.

    You really like to hear yourself babble, don’t you?

    Nonsensical blatherskite…

  25. [citations badly needed]

  26. And violence is of course directed against one’s own foes, in this case, the women who made the man InCel in the first place by either rejecting him or traumatizing him

    Even if the rest of your crap made sense/was true, this bit would still be a problem, because MGTOW don’t target their anger at specific women, but at women as a whole. Your theory hinges on it being reasonable for angry men to be unable or unwilling to see women as individuals.

  27. @Mejas

    That’s not an argument against women or feminism, it’s an argument against men.

  28. “Men are uncontrollable animals, and women are so worthless we should just let them tolerate these animals’ harms.”

  29. “psychoemotionally” – um, aren’t all emotions psychological by default? I mean, there are physical symptoms of some emotions like anxiety, but still.

    I’d love to hear this troll explain why women have testosterone in their bodies but it doesn’t drive women to violence if they don’t get laid. I’m assuming that has to do with the mystical “essense” which just makes me think of the Skexis in “Dark Crystal.” Which is an apt metaphor for MRAs in general.

  30. Testosterone isn’t the only thing that they constantly need to release, apparently…

  31. @Mejas: Go wank already.

    I am not a tea kettle, constantly shouting my aggravation to the world. I am a man.

    I’m assuming that has to do with the mystical “essense” which just makes me think of the Skexis in “Dark Crystal.” Which is an apt metaphor for MRAs in general.

    I do hate their whimpers.

  32. hahaha Mejas you have to be joking with that bullshit. I know men that either aren’t having sex or lost their virginity much later than what society considers typical, especially for men. Guess what? they happen to be very close friends and wonderful people who have no problems functioning in a civilized manner.

    Also, FUCK YOU, for suggesting that all the problems would be solved if these men were to receive a steady stream of sex. Women did not make these men InCel. Their shit personalities did. I didn’t realize “nagging, cuckoldry, dumping” were so fucking traumatizing. Like I have never experienced any of those things, oh wait doesn’t matter I apparently lack the necessary testosterone to fly into a rage. Funny how when a man’s supposed nature prevents him from acting like a rational human being it’s still a woman’s fault. But when a woman’s supposed nature makes her act a certain way, well that’s still her own damn fault.

  33. Mejas thinks that men can be reduced to a single hormone. No thoughts, no feelings, no complex human being, just a single hormone.

    Tell me again how these guys are on the side of men and boys?

    It almost goes without saying that Mejas also has absolutely no idea how testosterone or any other kind of hormone works. I mean, you might as well blame these guy’s behavior on an excess of black bile.

  34. Mejas,
    That’s utter piffle. You make men sound less capable of thought, empathy or self control than a rabid Cocker Spaniel. There is nothing accurate about your claims. You’re repeating the fairytale excuses that douchebag abusers and rapists use. Those fairytales are used to push the blame for men’s bad behavior onto women while also threatening women with violence if they do allow themselves to be treated as sex toys for men. Either you are too lazy to actually learn about human biology or you are personally invested in excusing violent and sexually rapacious men. Which is it?

  35. So according to Mejas, men need to release testosterone all the time … yet apparently they don’t release any when they wank. Which is odd, ‘cos you’d think a tosser like him would be releasing it constantly.

    But then it’s not really about sex, is it, son? It’s about your desire to hurt women.

  36. If sex releases testosterone but wanking doesn’t then that does seem to indicate that Mejas sees sex as a form on violence. Huh, I wonder why he’s “incel”?

  37. Sorry, this is long, with a lot of links. But I find this irritating to no end. The wrongness, it burns.

    The essense of human males is testosterone…

    “Moisture is the essences of wetness. And wetness is the essence if beauty.”
    -Derek Zoolander


    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QXsKHjX3Y6g&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQXsKHjX3Y6g

    …which demands constant release, like steam in a kettle,

    Testosterone doesn’t “demand” anything. It’s a chemical messenger in the body. That is present in both men and women, BTW.

    …usually in the form of either sex or violence or both…;

    No. The role of testosterone in aggressive behavior is not well understood:

    However, the role of testosterone in facilitating aggres- sion appears to be limited to specific social forms of ag- gression, such as territorial and dominance aggression (e.g. [1]). By contrast, it appears that testosterone is less in- volved in other non-social forms of aggression, such as predatory and anti-predatory aggression [4].
    Conversely, physical aggression influences testosterone levels.


    http://www.affective-sciences.ch/system/files/biblio/role%20of%20testosterone.pdf

    Both low and high levels of testosteronewas associated with risk taking:


    http://www.neuro.duke.edu/files/documents/57_Stanton_et_al_2011.pdf

    And your completely discounting the roles of other hormones, like cortisol and serotonin, in regulating behavior:


    http://www.neuro.duke.edu/files/documents/57_Stanton_et_al_2011.pdf

    …when a man is InCel, like these guys, the sex option is gone, so there’s only violence…;

    Based on a totally flawed and incorrect understanding of what testosterone is and how it works. But whatever, lets pick this apart. So men’s only two responses to life are sex or violence? That’s a really good argument for locking all men away, somewhere far from society, where they can no longer hurt others or themselves. And compulsory masturbation for men, to release all that harmful testosterone mojo.

    …and what variety of violence is based on the individual man’s circumstances, in this case, cyberviolence online. And violence is of course directed against one’s own foes,in this case, the women…

    If we’re talking about violence based on mating, wouldn’t a heterosexual man’s foes be other men who are competing for women?

    …who made the man InCel in the first place by either rejecting him or traumatizing him (nagging, cuckoldry, dumping,etc) so much that he became fundamentally damaged and thus psychoemotionally dysfunctional.

    Ah, I see. Women are always to blame, either by not sleeping with a man on demand, regardless of her preferences or feelings; or by “nagging, cuckoldry, dumping, etc.” So, basically, all the pitfalls of being in a relationship with another complex human being (you might get dumped; your partner might cheat on you; I’m not touching “nagging” because that’s such a broad an ill-defined term that in this context is basically “women have expectation of there partners and vocalize this expectations”). And of course, “nagging, cuckoldry, dumping” are so terribly traumatizing to men that they immediately renounce half of humanity in response to experiencing them; but not so to women, who also, in the course of relationships with fellow complex human beings, will experience the same.

    I dont doubt that deep down these men really want to go rheir own way….,

    No, they don’t want to go their own way. If they did, they would have done it already. And they wouldn’t be obsessing about women so much. There would be actual leaders in the MGTOW community who would be helping newbies over their obsession with women, so they could go their own way. There’s not.

    …but they simply cant transcend the limitations of their biological nature.

    Because all complex human behavior and social interaction can be reduced to biological drives in such a way that conveniently upholds the status quo! Science!

  38. Applause for sparky.

    So according to Mejas, men need to release testosterone all the time … yet apparently they don’t release any when they wank. Which is odd, ‘cos you’d think a tosser like him would be releasing it constantly.

    If that were true, I’d have exploded back in college.

  39. I was going to give kudos to Falconer for his kettle comment but then I realized that as his foe I probably shouldn’t be talking to him.

    (I presume that women are still men’s foes even if the men don’t want to sleep with the women in question, given that gay men are supposed to be mad at women for friendzoning them too.)

  40. Applause for sparky.

    Thank you!

  41. So according to Mejas, men need to release testosterone all the time … yet apparently they don’t release any when they wank. Which is odd, ‘cos you’d think a tosser like him would be releasing it constantly.

    Shorter him: Wank wank wankity wank WANK.

  42. Testosterone doesn’t “demand” anything.

    What? You mean you can’t hear those tiny voices shrieking “Let me out! Let me out! Let me OUUUUTTT!”

  43. What? You mean you can’t hear those tiny voices shrieking “Let me out! Let me out! Let me OUUUUTTT!”

    That’s not testosterone. That’s Mejas’s neurons, screaming in horror.

  44. That’s not testosterone. That’s Mejas’s neurons, screaming in horror.

    ::dies::

  45. That’s Mejas’s neurons, screaming in horror.

    And can you blame them? They’re trapped inside a skull full of thick, gooey cement.

  46. Do MRA’s seriously believe that there is no such thing as an introverted woman? o_O

    I mean, I’ll ignore for a moment that they’re making bald-faced, unsubstantiated attacks on my intelligence. But do they really think that Myers-Briggs only applies to men?

  47. They think personalities only apply to men, I’m pretty sure.

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