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Return of Kings blog: High school girls are responsible for school shootings because they won’t have sex with nerds

A memorial for the victim of the shooting

A memorial for the victim of the shooting

Attention pretty high school girls! If a nerdy looking dude in your school shows up one day loaded with guns and Molotov cocktails and starts shooting up the place, it’s actually your fault, for not sleeping with him.

That, in any case, is the argument of a recent post on pickup guru Roosh V’s repulsive Return of Kings blog. In a post titled Why Did Karl Halverson Pierson Attack His School And Kill A Pretty Girl? guest blogger Billy Chubbs looks at a recent shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, throwing out the few bits of information we do have about the shooter and making up a story of his own.

On December 13 2013, Karl Halverson Pierson walked into his high school with a gun, wounded a fellow student named Claire Davis and then killed himself. The assumed motive was Karl’s anger toward a teacher at the high school but others in the mainstream media posited their own theories as to the reasons behind the shooting. The usual suspects were called out to blame: prescription drugs, mental illness, gun control, etc. … One theory that was noticeably absent from the ‘experts’ who reported on the situation, however, was Karl’s probable sexual frustration.

His proof? The fact that the girl he managed to shoot and mortally wound before killing himself was quite conventionally attractive. Chubbs posts pictures of the shooter and the girl he shot, who subsequently died:

What do you notice right away? Karl’s not a stunningly handsome dude and Claire is a smoke show. As of this writing, there’s not much information on Karl’s sexual history. It’s doubtful that Karl had a girlfriend, and it’s likely that he was a virgin.

Chubbs makes clear that even if he’s completely wrong about all this, he’s not going to let mere facts stand in the way of his theory.

By the way, if further details are released in the future which discredit my assumptions, well, ignore the Karl parts of this article obviously. Yet even if I’m wrong in my assumptions of Karl’s life, the basic gist of this article is right and does apply to the majority of normally peaceful men who suddenly turn violent and perpetrate these tragedies.

And so he moves on to state what he considers his very brave thesis:

Return Of Kings has touched on this subject before, but since the cowardly and narrow minded mainstream media refuses to even consider positing such a theory, it’s up to us ROK truth sayers to repeat ad nauseum such observations: women’s selfishness makes men kill.

And by “selfishness” Chubbs means their unwillingness to shower sex on all men.

What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men. This is a fact. The percentages aren’t certain (some studies claim a 60w/40m percentage – I personally think it’s as high as 70w/30m based on my own empirical observations), but the basics are a sure thing.

If by “sure thing” you mean “completely wrong,” then yes. There’s no evidence to back up the oft-repeated manosphere myth that women are having sex with only a small percentage of men. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of adult men are having at least occasional sex. According to one recent survey of American sexual behavior, some 86% of men said they’d had sex in the past year; only 70% of women said the same.

In our society today, there are hundreds of thousands of young men with insatiable sex drives who are receiving little to no sex from their female peers—not even the less attractive women whom traditionally would be paired off with less attractive men.

Wait, someone on Return of Kings is suggesting that it might be acceptable for a man to date a “less attractive woman?” The sort of woman that Roosh and Return of Kings routinely ridicule, and ridicule men for dating?

Chubbs wants to have it both ways. He wants to play at being an alpha male, but he also wants the privileges of victimhood as a poor, oppressed beta. Indeed, in his bio, he describes himself, paradoxically, as a “bipolar, optimistic Alpha male who truly believes that Beta chumps like himself are doomed in today’s politically correct utopia.” Alpha or beta: which is it, dude?

In his post, he postures as an alpha even while recounting his own story of beta victimhood:

Life without sex is a horrible experience, especially when you’re a young man. Although I get laid consistently, I have gone long stretches without any sort of sexual contact with women.

Well, that kind of sucks, dude, but, you know, welcome to life. Sometimes life sucks.

It was gruelling.

No, the Bataan Death March was gruelling. You had a dry spell.  I’ve had dry spells. Everyone else I know has had dry spells. Virtually everyone in the world has dry spells. They can be really rough. But they’re not a fucking human rights violation.

My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.

OH NO YOU WERE FORCED TO MASTURBATE

NEWS FLASH: Women aren’t obligated to jump on your stick every time you get a boner.

For the vast majority of men their sex life is a central part of their character and a major part of their motivation for all aspects of their life. If men are barred from it (whether they actually are or merely feel that they are) for whatever reason, they feel little incentive for anything else; even if that incentive is to not go crazy and shoot people.

Wait, how did we get from, boo hoo I have to masturbate to, well I might as well just kill a bunch of people?

Karl wanted to have sex, and just by looking at him it’s obvious he wasn’t getting much, or any. Claire is a beautiful young woman and is doubtlessly the object of affection for many young men who know her, including lonely and sexually frustrated ones. Karl was certainly amongst them. Karl had no chance to ever be with her and he knew it. And that’s why he encountered her in his school, armed with a gun, he turned it against her.

So it’s her fault for getting shot by a dude because she didn’t fuck him?

Am I saying Claire should have known better and had sex with Karl in advance? No. Claire was for all intents and purposes (looks, status, wealth) far out of Karl’s league. Yet there’s little doubt that there were many, many women in Karl’s high school who were in his league.

Oh, so it was some other girl’s fault that Claire got shot, because this other girl didn’t fuck him.

So why wasn’t Karl at home relieving his sexual frustrations with a girlfriend on par with his looks instead of simmering in anger alone, writing typical angry teenaged political messages on his Facebook and purchasing guns? It is because the inherent selfishness of all women has been allowed to run rampant in our Western societies.

How is it selfish for women to choose who they want to have sex with? No one is obligated to have sex with anyone they don’t want to have sex with.

Women whose level of physical looks give them no right to be picky are allowed to chase after the upper tiers of men with no shame while men who are just as, or perhaps even a little more, attractive then themselves are forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them.

What the fucking hell? What planet are you living on and how on earth, even if this were true, does this justify murder?

Also: there is no epidemic of American men “forced to remain virgins into their twenties” by evil women. Indeed, the average American male loses his virginity just shy of age 17, slightly earlier than the average American female.

And even then, the relationship is a farce. The woman has only entered it out of desperation since all the upper echelons of sexually enticing men who used to have sex with her have cast her off and she is emotionally damaged by her selfish experiences.

Really? This little narrative describes the life of precisely zero women I have ever met.

What future did Karl have to look forward to? Working a mediocre job (if he could even get one), living in a society that does not look out for him or his interests in the slightest (while often ridiculing the people like him in the media – when not actively selling out his future) and having to wait until he was twenty-five or older before being able to enter into a sexually satisfying relationship with a woman on par with his looks (who would be incapable of actually loving him by that point due to her dozens of sexual partners)?

NONE OF THIS IS TRUE WHY DO YOU GUYS PRETEND THAT IT IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I DON’T EVEN

Young men like Karl – who aren’t blessed with looks, or exorbitant wealth, or the top tier social skills of the small percentage of men who are getting laid – have been left in the dust by our female-centric, uncaring societies.

IT’S NOT JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MEN WHO ARE HAVING SEX WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT ITS NOT TRUE WHY DO YOU

And society does not care until men like him pick up a gun and starts shooting.

And now we come to the blackmail portion of the rant: Sleep with us or we’ll kill you!

The assumed catalyst as to why Karl went on the rampage was that he was demoted by a teacher in charge of the debate team, and that this caused murderous frustration in him. Do you think Karl would have had so much murderous frustration if he was receiving as little as a blowjob every so often?

All he wanted was a blowjob! It is the sacred duty of every high school girl to seek out high school boys with the greatest surplus of murderous frustration and ease this frustration with sex.

So long as society encourages women of all ages to be the inherently promiscuous creatures they are and allow them to limit their sexual choices to the men at the top of the pyramid (when many of them have no right to), sexually frustrated men will continue to lash out with extreme violence.

Wait, so after demanding that women be more promiscuous, you’re berating them for being promiscuous?

Not that I’m surprised in the slightest.

The Columbine’s will continue. The Sandy Hook’s will continue. The Arapahoe’s will continue. Until society sits down and thinks over these problems with an unclouded mind, men will continue the shootings. More people will die just so Jane Doe can continue to ‘explore’ her sexuality until she hits the wall.

So young men should be guaranteed sex — OR ELSE THEY’LL SHOOT YOU — but young women are somehow evil for having sex with men who aren’t murderously frustrated nerds?

Of course, it’s always easier to scream, “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS! GUN CONTROL MENTAL ILLNESS!” and ignore the root of the problem and twiddle one’s thumbs until the next shooting. For many men, hundreds of thousands of them, they live in a mentally ill society. It’s a testament to either their humanity or their cowardice that more of them do not lash out like this.

And it’s a testament to your lack of humanity that you even think like this.

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Posted on December 30, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, alpha asshole cock carousel, alpha males, antifeminism, beta males, boner rage, creepy, empathy deficit, entitled babies, evil sexy ladies, imaginary oppression, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, narcissism, not-quite-explicit threats, playing the victim, PUA, rhymes with roosh, sympathy for murderers, that 80%/20% bullshit, that's completely wrong, victim blaming and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 610 Comments.

  1. That’s not even an ableist stereotype that makes sense in context. WTF does schizophrenia have to do with being a misogynist who thinks that women owe men sex?

  2. But I thought girls who slept around were supposed to be pilloried and slut shamed? I thought girls were meant to marry as virgin brides to seasoned men in their forties and lead lives of submissive devotion to only the finest of alpha males!

    Oh no, sorry, that’s the MRAs. Over in ROK Land girls are supposed to remain virgins until they meet Roosh, and sleep with him, then clean his flat and disappear.

    Hmm, still doesn’t make sense. Perhaps every high school should have a team of prostitutes on site, a bit like guidance counselors in fishnets?

    On a more serious note, I don’t know anything much about this particular tragedy, but I’ve read about others, and I sorry to admit I do kind of know where these shooters are coming from, insofar as I had a lot of rage in me when I was a teenager. At school I was extremely isolated, with problems at home, and felt suicidal and fearful of the future, and I was also bullied. And while I never did anything about it (beyond carrying a blunt instrument around in my bag), I did fantasize about killing people I knew, I even went as far as writing a short story for English class about murdering a girl who was always picking on me, I didn’t even change the names. Nowadays writing something like that would probably get you suspended, but this was 25 years ago and I just got my teacher writing ‘a disturbing read’. Now, that might not sound like a big deal, but had I had access to guns as young people in America do, and had I been pushed just a bit further I might have ended up doing serious harm to myself or someone else.

    Looking back I had a lot less empathy when I was an adolescent, and the world was smaller and more intense, but one thing I do remember, it had nothing to do with being a virgin.

  3. Such bollocks…for a lot of reasons, of course, but also because they don’t really even think what they think they think. Or rather, they’ve deluded themselves.

    The RoK ass-hats don’t want more women to have sex with more men…they’re all about the slut-shaming. No, they want more women to have sex with THEM and only them.

    The hypocracy of patriarchy…women who have sex with other men are considered sluts; women who won’t have sex with me are considered sluts (because of the assumption that they are having sex with other men); only women who are worth anything are the ones I can claim as my own…by having sex with them.

  4. @cassandrasays

    That’s not even an ableist stereotype that makes sense in context. WTF does schizophrenia have to do with being a misogynist who thinks that women owe men sex?

    No frickin clue :/

  5. “I don’t know KARATE!

    But I know CUH-REEPY!”

    Apologies to James Brown (not too sorry tho since he was a fuckin wife-beater)

    Jebus. If not getting fucked is enough to make men go on a rampage then maybe we should just lock them all up.

  6. A couple of thoughts come to mind. One is that these guys invest the sexual act with incredible power. Maybe I’m betraying my age, but my memory still serves, and even though in my youth I was so horny and frustrated at times I did inexplicably stupid things, I was never remotely murderous (suicidal, perhaps, but never homicidal!) The other thing is that Roosh (and others) has a lot to gain, personally, by promoting the myth that men denied sex-on-demand are dangerous beasts that pose a threat to society. The more I have read of manosphere, the more cynical I have become of the motives of their leaders and gurus.

  7. I can’t even come up with a coherent response to this. It makes me feel ashamed that these men who label themselves “Alphas” would be so hypocritical, and just downright awful people. I couldn’t care less who the victim was, who the shooter was. Nobody owes anyone sex, and absolutely nobody can claim a dry spell, or even virginity, as a valid excuse for homicide. They claim so many problems in the world, and they want to do nothing to fix them other than tell women how evil they are, and try to be in control.

    I may be beta as hell by their terms, but I’ll chop off my own junk with a rusty axe before I attack anyone simply because I’m sexually frustrated.

    David, let me say you are one of the people who kindles my faith in other men. Having read your blog over the past few months, along with some serious discussions with some other feminists, I’ve been able to stand up more to some of the misogynist and generally asinine behavior of one of my coworkers. Keep doing what you do.

  8. Honestly, I don’t think “men murder because they need sex” is any more (or less) true than “men rape because they need sex.”

  9. @ AIT,

    It always makes me feel so much more hopeful about the world when a man steps up and makes a comment like yours. Thanks.

  10. @Grumpycatisagirl, exactly. This goes beyond than judt being a terrible person, because none of what they write makes sense even in a twisted way.

  11. My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.

    I’m going to ignore everything else and focus on avoiding touching anything at this guy’s gym.

  12. “David, let me say you are one of the people who kindles my faith in other men. Having read your blog over the past few months, along with some serious discussions with some other feminists, I’ve been able to stand up more to some of the misogynist and generally asinine behavior of one of my coworkers. Keep doing what you do.”

    This is an extremely heartening paragraph to read right now. Thanks, AIT! :) Have you commented here before? I’ve missed a lot of the recent threads, but hopefully you’ve gotten/will get a welcome package.

  13. @kittehserf:

    Yeah, I am new, in a way. Been reading the site for months, but have only just recently decided to comment.

    And sorry for the derogatory use of “insane”. I know I shouldn’t use it and I try not to, but ablest prejudices have a habit of creeping into my language from time to time. D:

  14. Breakfastman: As long as you are aware and working on it then that is good.

  15. @katz: Yeah, I try. As I am an able-bodied, straight, white, cis male, I know I have a lot to work on in this area, just in general. But I like to think that I try my damnedest to avoid that shit.

  16. I think that to some extent being aware and trying to work on it is all any of us can do.

  17. @La Strega:

    You’re quite welcome. Here’s hoping more hope-inspiring guys are around, and will help with the hope spreading.

    @Grumpycatisagirl:

    I have commented here a couple times, and I haven’t received the package personally, but I did see it being linked to others, so I hope they didn’t mind sharing. I personally love SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLES. :D

  18. BreakfastMan – don’t they just! I get caught out, too. Only even started thinking about it here.

    AIT – hi, thank you for that great comment. Have you had a Welcome Package?

  19. My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.

    TMI warning:

    The only thing that makes me feel bad for this guy is that masturbating up to 5 times a day is sure to make oneself terribly sore down there. I mean, ow – that has to hurt.

  20. @Argenti Aertheri –

    Oh boy do I need coffee to properly express a reply to that. It’s not that simple. Not just reopen them, but improve them — locking the suicidal away (and they are locked, it’s part of why I am obsessively careful not to say anything that might get me committed), without real treatment, isn’t going to cure shit. Like, the last time I tried to kill myself I was facing homelessness, merely locking me up wouldn’t have solved either my mental illness(es) nor the housing problem.

    And they don’t often (ever?) have suicidal wards. They lock people who’ve tried to kill themselves up with people who’re prone to screaming and violence. Often in mixed gender wards (which I guess at least means trans* people don’t have a “idfk wtf to do with you” housing issue like with homeless shelters).

    It’s a goddamned disaster. And that’s not touching the staffing issues, stories of people having self-inflicted wounds stitched without anesthetic are all too common (just as an example)

    We need a complete overhaul, not just more buildings to lock more people up in. To steal a line from EA’s book “when the asylum is really an asylum, I think I shall go and live there for ever and ever.” Now, idk about forever, but if it were anything like what the word asylum implies, I wouldn’t lie my way out of being sent there.

    Backing you up here on every single thing you’ve said (except the non-anesthetic, which I personally never experienced, but will take your word for) – I can vouch for all of it personally. (btw, have you tried ashspace – avoid the main area, and, unfortunately, most of the groups, but occasionally there are good groups. Mine broke up a while ago and I’m still looking for another good one, but sometimes even the not-great ones can help.)

  21. Ha, let him be sore, I say. Schadenfreude all the way.

  22. (My comment was answering Ally, not Rahu, I hasten to add!)

  23. I just… What the fuuuuck. Keep this man from women, seriously.
    I’ve never understood the argument for excusing men’s actions by talking about their “needs”. If anyone just has to do X, and X is harmful, no one has to tolerate it. If every man was some potential serial killer/mass killer if he didn’t get sex or whatever, they don’t have the right to tell the rest of humanity has to put up with their harm.
    Thankfully, the majority of men aren’t like that.

    Also this part made me kinda giggle because of the irony:
    “Of course, it’s always easier to scream, “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS! GUN CONTROL MENTAL ILLNESS!” and ignore the root of the problem and twiddle one’s thumbs until the next shooting.”

  24. So, if pretty teenage girls have sex they are vile sluts who deserve to die. If pretty young girls don’t have sex, they are causing manpain and deserve to die

    Maybe we can someday have a world where pretty (and not pretty) girls can do what they want.

  25. does apply to the majority of normally peaceful men who suddenly turn violent and perpetrate these tragedies

    A number of mass shooters show signs of violent behavior long before the actual shooting occurs. Very few people are completely peaceful and non-violent every day of their lives and then suddenly murder (or attempt to murder) a whole bunch of people in cold blood. Except of course that abusers frequently see themselves as being in the right and being “forced” by their victim to do something wrong. Gee, what does that sound like?

    forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them

    Nobody forced you to remain a virgin, dude. If you want to have sex just on principle of “I want sex” and not “I want sex with THIS person” you can accomplish it. Ditto if you want a relationship with someone under the age of 26. (What the fuck is up with the magical cut off of 26 years? Although at least that’s well past the age of consent for once.) You want to have sex? Go out and stop being such a vile human being and eventually you will find someone who will have sex with you. That’s not what “forced” you to remain a virgin. You put yourself in that situation, just you.

    Also I’m beyond fucking tired of people talking about being a virgin as if it’s shameful. YOU DON’T HAVE TO HAVE SEX WITH ANYONE UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX. IT IS PERFECTLY NORMAL AND OKAY TO NOT HAVE SEX. YOU DO NOT NEED AN “ACCEPTABLE” REASON TO NOT HAVE SEX ANY MORE THAN YOU NEED AN ACCEPTABLE REASON TO HAVE IT.

    Ahem.

    society encourages women of all ages to be the inherently promiscuous creatures they are and allow them to limit their sexual choices to the men at the top of the pyramid (when many of them have no right to),

    I have to break this down a bit here. First off, either society encourages women to be promiscuous or we are inherently promiscuous, not both. If we were inherently slutty, society wouldn’t need to encourage us to do it, we just would because it’s INHERENT. Whereas if we’re not inherently slutty, society would be encouraging us to engage in such behaviors because we weren’t doing it on our own. That’s just slopping rhetoric.

    Second, society “allows” women to “limit their sexual choices.” That’s really the whole thing in a nutshell, innit? It’s not that everyone has a fundamental right to limit our sexual choices whatever they may be. Nope. It’s that society “allows” women to behave this way. It’s not our natural state to want to choose who we have sex with (or whether to have sex at all).

    And that last bit is just the turd cherry on the shit sundae. “Many of them have no right to” fuck men at the “top.” Not only do women not have the right to choose sexual partners for our own reasons in general, when we do choose, we’re doing something almost criminal by not fucking who this dude and his MRM bros think we should be fucking.

    The net result of my reading this is that I want to go find the most conventionally attractive available guy I can and fuck his brains out. It sure as fuck does not make me want to pretend to be attracted to some dude out of fear. If my options are having to have sex according to the MRM’s heirarchy or celibacy, I will choose the latter any day.

  26. Also there are actually less school shootings now… We just started focusing on them more since cases like in Columbine, where the shooters tried to get famous(that wasn’t there only motive obviously, but they would still talk about how they thought the world would react a lot, and said they wanted to start a revolution).

  27. You guys are all missing the big picture here. Which is that the government should totally be providing these boys with girlfriends. And imprisoning their parents if they don’t assist in this endeavor. And that’s real.

  28. These same guys would be screaming about the Schrodinger’s Rapist concept, yet they take it so much further. It’s not even being wary because you don’t know how a given man will act; they’re effectively saying all men have it in them to go on murder sprees if a woman they fancy says no, or simply isn’t a mind-reader. Makes you wonder how there are any humans left in the world, doesn’t it?

  29. quantumscale AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH don’t bring him into it!!!!eleventy!

  30. Is it me, or do these guys take to heart, The Screwfly Solution?

  31. Kittehs- turns out he was trying to prevent school shootings all along. Who knew?

  32. I kinda think this guy wanted to murder some lady at some point in his life. Like an ex girlfriend or something. It doesn’t matter to me anyways. With people, there’s a “point of no return” with their horribleness and if I will be around them. Even if I didn’t think this guy was potentially dangerous, i couldn’t avoid him harder.

  33. I feel sick. Like honestly. I’m so mad, bewildered, and grossed out right now. Every so often I think I’ve read the worst thing ever, and then the internet out-does itself.

    I just tried to write a big long thing and I can’t. I tried like three times. I seriously just can’t.

    Funny thing is, this doesn’t scare me into wanting to fuck more men on the verge of murder, this makes me want to never, ever, leave my place ever again. Not out of fear, just out of pure hatred and disgust.

  34. quantumscale – amazing, innit?

  35. This not only doesn’t make me want to fuck some loser with a rageboner, it makes me want to tell them that if the only choice was fucking them or being shot by them, I’d choose the latter. (Since we’re not surrounded by guns here, the “not leaving the house” option doesn’t really come to mind.)

  36. Also this part made me kinda giggle because of the irony:
    “Of course, it’s always easier to scream, “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS! GUN CONTROL MENTAL ILLNESS!” and ignore the root of the problem and twiddle one’s thumbs until the next shooting.”

    Me too. Those are, of course, the very remedies that might actually help. They’re not foolproof, obviously, but tackling those would go a very long way…

    Also, this dude’s comments about masturbation and upping his T levels make me wonder if he’s aware of the irony there, too…I’m guessing his T is non-prescription, if he’s taking it to bulk up at the gym so he can get more (and prettier) ladies. That shit has nasty side effects, and one long-term one is gynecomastia; another, shrinkage of the testicles and of course, impotence. Unsupervised non-medical use could catapult this would-be alpha straight back into omega territory, to use their silly Greek-alphabetical nomenclature…and wouldn’t that be a laugh?

  37. This is the worst thing I’ve ever seen. I think.

    Gonna ge read Dworkin and Tepper.

  38. Oh gods I’d like to see that – his precious precious bits shrivelling up to near-invisibility.

  39. Same here Kitteh.

    Ugh, I keep trying to say something more about how wrong this is, but my brain is seriously fried from reading this. The main thing being that all the guys who complain about how irrationally scared women are of being raped and beaten up by men need to stop by and read this shit. It’s not fucking women and feminists who came up with the idea that some men are so fucking entitled to sex that they get violent.

    I need a drink. I hope so hard I have booze in the house.

  40. Oh gods I’d like to see that – his precious precious bits shrivelling up to near-invisibility.

    He’d probably blame some feminist for giving his poor sad boner the Evil Eye, or some such. Remember, they have zero sense of irony, as well as personal responsibility.

  41. Back in college and such, I knew guys who thought losing their virginity would solve all their personal problems and inspire them to stop being dickwads. In no case did having sex actually accomplish this. Their complaint just changed from “I deserve to sleep with a lady” to “I deserve to sleep with more ladies/hotter ladies/ladies who will do this one uncomfortable-sounding sex act I found on the Internet.” Then, THEN, their lives would become better and they would stop making excuses for all their shitty behavior.

  42. baileyrenee – yeah, that’s the thing I get from it: they hate us for being fearful of rape, and scream about how unfair that is to men, but at the same time say that it’s perfectly justified for men to commit murder, and mass-murder at that, because of alleged sexual frustration.

  43. He’d probably blame some feminist for giving his poor sad boner the Evil Eye, or some such.

    I WANT THIS POWER

  44. ROK is just… I’ve only seen a few of their postings, but they seem to be some of the worst people in the Manosphere. This is just… gah.

    If I really thought most men thought like that, I’d never talk to men again. Luckily, I know that isn’t the case.

    It does seem that in Patriarchy, men have all the power and none of the responsibility. MRAs love that.

  45. The main thing being that all the guys who complain about how irrationally scared women are of being raped and beaten up by men need to stop by and read this shit. It’s not fucking women and feminists who came up with the idea that some men are so fucking entitled to sex that they get violent.

    No, it’s just women (and the odd beta mangina) who keep pointing it out, the evil bitches. We’re supposed to be blissfully unaware of all this, even when we’re soaking in it. Because otherwise, how are these poor bastards supposed to get their sorry asses laid? We’re supposed to be dumber than them, so they all stand some sort of chance to prove their Manhood…but then we’re also supposed to accept a secondary lot in life, as befits a mere girl…and if we complain of sexism we’re bitches, or if we try to better ourselves, we’re being hypergamous and unfair to Teh Menz.

    One really can’t win. One can’t even call a draw…

    I think I may have to join you at the bar. My head is spinning from all the double standards and hypocrisy and general fucking bullshit.

  46. Yea Kitteh, It’s all so awful I’m beyond angry… I mean, I knew they did shit like this before, but seeing something this explicit? Literally saying “women and girls should expect to be MURDERED by men and boys if they don’t have sex with them?”

    I don’t even care if it’s trolling. You know at least one guy out there will take this seriously, and that is one guy too many.

    Update, I have booze, I will either feel better or be more angry soon.

  47. I WANT THIS POWER

    I have that power, but it requires a waning moon, an anatomically correct wax figure, a handful of hatpins, and rancid cat pee to make it work. Not recommended for daily use, obvs.

  48. Bina, that’s really it. They’re just mad that some people point it out and tell them how fucked up it is.

    Here Bina, have some whiskey. Let us drown our horrors in alcohol.

  49. @Shaun DarthBatman Day: I thought of the core concept of “The Gate to Women’s Country” as a “solution” to the problems that the crank was moaning about, but I haven’t read the book yet. :\
    #1 on my New Years Resolutions (2014 ed.): read “The Gate to Women’s Country.”

  50. Let’s see … waning moon, no probs. Anatomically correct wax figure – get me the wax and I can do that, easy. Handful of hatpins – will really strong steel safety pins do? Rancid cat pee – we have plenty of that available, don’t we, Fribs?

  51. Here Bina, have some whiskey. Let us drown our horrors in alcohol.

    Yes! And I have some Drambuie. Rusty Nails all around!

  52. Biot…have you read “Gibbon’s DSecline and Fall”?

    Also, just in case it’s necessary, huge TW for any Tepper.

  53. Bina — more like “fake it until you make it or can’t take it” in my case, but yes.

    Rahu — I’ve never needed stitches, so I haven’t personally experienced it either, but I used to be a Bodies Under Seige mod and heard of it often enough to believe it happens. And more recently I’ve seen it condemned in guides to health professionals, so it must occur with some frequency. As for the ashspace, never heard of it, will try to remember to look into it when I’m less mentally exhausted.

    In cheerier things, the big guys from the first batch of cory fry are getting moved to the big tank soon. They’re big enough now, but we may have a big storm coming this weekend, so I’m going to wait and see how that plays out, stress makes fish more susceptible to things like ich, and there’s always the chance it’s still lurking in the big tank. They’re still small as far as cories go, but they’re out growing, and more importantly out eating, the breeder tank and their younger siblings.

  54. Also *love* “Gate”. Although I do believe that the worst of the worst (and by worst I mean best) misandry was from her “The Fresco”.
    And my favourite by her was “The Family Tree” despite the virgin heroine/sacrifice trope.

  55. Let’s see … waning moon, no probs. Anatomically correct wax figure – get me the wax and I can do that, easy. Handful of hatpins – will really strong steel safety pins do? Rancid cat pee – we have plenty of that available, don’t we, Fribs?

    Straight pins will also work, especially the black-headed kind. And if you don’t have liquid cat pee lying around handy, just mix some gently used kitty litter in with the wax. Oh yes — and wear gloves. You do NOT want this rebounding on you.

  56. Oh and I’m adding a horse to my herd, and resetting the clock, no ableism until 6pm blog time or I get another unicorn. I’m at two unicorns and two horses now.

  57. @kittehs

    Makes you wonder how there are any humans left in the world, doesn’t it?

    yeah, but then I always come down here to the comment section to restore my faith in humanity :3

  58. If a man told me I’d better suck his dick or he’d shoot me, I’d assume there was something terribly wrong with him, not me.

    Not having sex is not grounds for killing people. My God.

  59. Awww, yesssss Bina!

    Drinks and witchcraft.

    The perfect feminist Monday.

  60. Argenti,

    I think the “no pain relief for cutters” stems from the convergence of two fucked up attitudes: fucked up attitudes to mental illness (which I’ll defer to you on) and fucked up attitudes to pain relief. I think we undertreat/mistreat chronic pain for fear of addiction (I mean, physical dependence sucks, but coffee drinkers are physically dependent and it doesn’t ruin their lives) and we undertreat pain associated with marginalized groups (like period pain and childbirth).

  61. Marie – truth! :)

    Bina – excellent. We use clumping litter, so it’ll have those soggy chunks.

  62. Don’t forget:

    A slut is someone who sleeps with everyone.

    A bitch is someone who sleeps with everyone, except YOU!

    That’s the key, you see. You should only ever sleep with the guy who is lusting after you, and NObody else. And if you have multiple guys lusting after you…well…rule still applies.

    Because women are miracle workers an’ stuff.

  63. Oh great . We are back to a woman’s responsibility to realize men have 7 times the testosterone level as women and how she (the feminist) plans on being “part of the solution”

  64. Friend of mine once used that line to some jerkwad who got snotty when she wasn’t interested in him – “Yeah, yeah, I know. If I won’t fuck you I’m frigid or a lesbian, if I fuck anyone else I’m a slut.” She delivered this in her very down-to-earth, balanced between bored and mildly amused, voice that she used on losers like this.

    It shut him right up. He hadn’t a clue what to say.

  65. And if you have multiple guys lusting after you…well…rule still applies.

    That’s when you’re supposed to provide them with friends of yours.

    (And yea, I know that because I actually had a friend who would mourn constantly over still having his virginity at 21 ask me multiple times to hook him up with any “slutty” friends I have “just for a one-time pity fuck” after it was clear I wasn’t going to do it myself. That shit went from depressing to disgusting real fast)

  66. Hadn’t this idiot ever heard of sex workers?

  67. @Argenti Aertheri – I totally get being too mentally exhausted to look into something right away, but I realized I should explain a bit more, lest you get the wrong impression of what I meant. “Ashspace” is a term we “ashers” use to basically mean any space (almost always online) where it is safe to talk about suicidal ideas with the group. “Bible bashers” and anyone who will report the conversations are not allowed and banned if they somehow get in. This all originated with “alt.suicide.holiday” (hence a.s.h. – ash), but, like I said, it has expanded quite a bit and now has lots of groups all over (the larger ones mostly filled with trolls, which is why I recommended avoiding the main, big ones.

    The most important reason I’m writing this right now, however, is that ash is “famous” for having a list of methods, and I suddenly remembered that and worried that you might google ashspace, see that fact, and think that I was directing you to a list of ways to “catch the bus” (i.e. off yourself), which is the exact opposite of the reason I was recommending that you check out ash. A good ash group is a place that helps keep the members alive and getting better, precisely BECAUSE you can talk freely. Sorry for adding all of this, right when you’re too tired to read it, but I didn’t want you thinking that I was wanting you to ctb (catch the bus) – and now, btw, you’ve learned most of the ash lingo.

  68. I remember him saying things like “if I don’t get to have sex soon, I’ll have to go to a prostitute!!” :C Why, exactly, that’s worse then having a friend beg someone to sleep with you out of pure pity is beyond me. Money, I guess, but he had money, if it was THAT important to him I don’t get why he wouldn’t splurge a little.

    Needless to say I have spoken to him in years. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was still whining, still a virgin, and still too good for a sex worker.

  69. Haven’t spoken to him, I should say. I honestly do wonder about that guy sometimes, now that I think about it I can see him getting sucked into garbage like this. Poor entitled fucker. I feel bad for him but my annoyance outweighs my pity.

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