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Return of Kings blog: High school girls are responsible for school shootings because they won’t have sex with nerds

A memorial for the victim of the shooting

A memorial for the victim of the shooting

Attention pretty high school girls! If a nerdy looking dude in your school shows up one day loaded with guns and Molotov cocktails and starts shooting up the place, it’s actually your fault, for not sleeping with him.

That, in any case, is the argument of a recent post on pickup guru Roosh V’s repulsive Return of Kings blog. In a post titled Why Did Karl Halverson Pierson Attack His School And Kill A Pretty Girl? guest blogger Billy Chubbs looks at a recent shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, throwing out the few bits of information we do have about the shooter and making up a story of his own.

On December 13 2013, Karl Halverson Pierson walked into his high school with a gun, wounded a fellow student named Claire Davis and then killed himself. The assumed motive was Karl’s anger toward a teacher at the high school but others in the mainstream media posited their own theories as to the reasons behind the shooting. The usual suspects were called out to blame: prescription drugs, mental illness, gun control, etc. … One theory that was noticeably absent from the ‘experts’ who reported on the situation, however, was Karl’s probable sexual frustration.

His proof? The fact that the girl he managed to shoot and mortally wound before killing himself was quite conventionally attractive. Chubbs posts pictures of the shooter and the girl he shot, who subsequently died:

What do you notice right away? Karl’s not a stunningly handsome dude and Claire is a smoke show. As of this writing, there’s not much information on Karl’s sexual history. It’s doubtful that Karl had a girlfriend, and it’s likely that he was a virgin.

Chubbs makes clear that even if he’s completely wrong about all this, he’s not going to let mere facts stand in the way of his theory.

By the way, if further details are released in the future which discredit my assumptions, well, ignore the Karl parts of this article obviously. Yet even if I’m wrong in my assumptions of Karl’s life, the basic gist of this article is right and does apply to the majority of normally peaceful men who suddenly turn violent and perpetrate these tragedies.

And so he moves on to state what he considers his very brave thesis:

Return Of Kings has touched on this subject before, but since the cowardly and narrow minded mainstream media refuses to even consider positing such a theory, it’s up to us ROK truth sayers to repeat ad nauseum such observations: women’s selfishness makes men kill.

And by “selfishness” Chubbs means their unwillingness to shower sex on all men.

What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men. This is a fact. The percentages aren’t certain (some studies claim a 60w/40m percentage – I personally think it’s as high as 70w/30m based on my own empirical observations), but the basics are a sure thing.

If by “sure thing” you mean “completely wrong,” then yes. There’s no evidence to back up the oft-repeated manosphere myth that women are having sex with only a small percentage of men. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of adult men are having at least occasional sex. According to one recent survey of American sexual behavior, some 86% of men said they’d had sex in the past year; only 70% of women said the same.

In our society today, there are hundreds of thousands of young men with insatiable sex drives who are receiving little to no sex from their female peers—not even the less attractive women whom traditionally would be paired off with less attractive men.

Wait, someone on Return of Kings is suggesting that it might be acceptable for a man to date a “less attractive woman?” The sort of woman that Roosh and Return of Kings routinely ridicule, and ridicule men for dating?

Chubbs wants to have it both ways. He wants to play at being an alpha male, but he also wants the privileges of victimhood as a poor, oppressed beta. Indeed, in his bio, he describes himself, paradoxically, as a “bipolar, optimistic Alpha male who truly believes that Beta chumps like himself are doomed in today’s politically correct utopia.” Alpha or beta: which is it, dude?

In his post, he postures as an alpha even while recounting his own story of beta victimhood:

Life without sex is a horrible experience, especially when you’re a young man. Although I get laid consistently, I have gone long stretches without any sort of sexual contact with women.

Well, that kind of sucks, dude, but, you know, welcome to life. Sometimes life sucks.

It was gruelling.

No, the Bataan Death March was gruelling. You had a dry spell.  I’ve had dry spells. Everyone else I know has had dry spells. Virtually everyone in the world has dry spells. They can be really rough. But they’re not a fucking human rights violation.

My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level.

OH NO YOU WERE FORCED TO MASTURBATE

NEWS FLASH: Women aren’t obligated to jump on your stick every time you get a boner.

For the vast majority of men their sex life is a central part of their character and a major part of their motivation for all aspects of their life. If men are barred from it (whether they actually are or merely feel that they are) for whatever reason, they feel little incentive for anything else; even if that incentive is to not go crazy and shoot people.

Wait, how did we get from, boo hoo I have to masturbate to, well I might as well just kill a bunch of people?

Karl wanted to have sex, and just by looking at him it’s obvious he wasn’t getting much, or any. Claire is a beautiful young woman and is doubtlessly the object of affection for many young men who know her, including lonely and sexually frustrated ones. Karl was certainly amongst them. Karl had no chance to ever be with her and he knew it. And that’s why he encountered her in his school, armed with a gun, he turned it against her.

So it’s her fault for getting shot by a dude because she didn’t fuck him?

Am I saying Claire should have known better and had sex with Karl in advance? No. Claire was for all intents and purposes (looks, status, wealth) far out of Karl’s league. Yet there’s little doubt that there were many, many women in Karl’s high school who were in his league.

Oh, so it was some other girl’s fault that Claire got shot, because this other girl didn’t fuck him.

So why wasn’t Karl at home relieving his sexual frustrations with a girlfriend on par with his looks instead of simmering in anger alone, writing typical angry teenaged political messages on his Facebook and purchasing guns? It is because the inherent selfishness of all women has been allowed to run rampant in our Western societies.

How is it selfish for women to choose who they want to have sex with? No one is obligated to have sex with anyone they don’t want to have sex with.

Women whose level of physical looks give them no right to be picky are allowed to chase after the upper tiers of men with no shame while men who are just as, or perhaps even a little more, attractive then themselves are forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them.

What the fucking hell? What planet are you living on and how on earth, even if this were true, does this justify murder?

Also: there is no epidemic of American men “forced to remain virgins into their twenties” by evil women. Indeed, the average American male loses his virginity just shy of age 17, slightly earlier than the average American female.

And even then, the relationship is a farce. The woman has only entered it out of desperation since all the upper echelons of sexually enticing men who used to have sex with her have cast her off and she is emotionally damaged by her selfish experiences.

Really? This little narrative describes the life of precisely zero women I have ever met.

What future did Karl have to look forward to? Working a mediocre job (if he could even get one), living in a society that does not look out for him or his interests in the slightest (while often ridiculing the people like him in the media – when not actively selling out his future) and having to wait until he was twenty-five or older before being able to enter into a sexually satisfying relationship with a woman on par with his looks (who would be incapable of actually loving him by that point due to her dozens of sexual partners)?

NONE OF THIS IS TRUE WHY DO YOU GUYS PRETEND THAT IT IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I DON’T EVEN

Young men like Karl – who aren’t blessed with looks, or exorbitant wealth, or the top tier social skills of the small percentage of men who are getting laid – have been left in the dust by our female-centric, uncaring societies.

IT’S NOT JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MEN WHO ARE HAVING SEX WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT ITS NOT TRUE WHY DO YOU

And society does not care until men like him pick up a gun and starts shooting.

And now we come to the blackmail portion of the rant: Sleep with us or we’ll kill you!

The assumed catalyst as to why Karl went on the rampage was that he was demoted by a teacher in charge of the debate team, and that this caused murderous frustration in him. Do you think Karl would have had so much murderous frustration if he was receiving as little as a blowjob every so often?

All he wanted was a blowjob! It is the sacred duty of every high school girl to seek out high school boys with the greatest surplus of murderous frustration and ease this frustration with sex.

So long as society encourages women of all ages to be the inherently promiscuous creatures they are and allow them to limit their sexual choices to the men at the top of the pyramid (when many of them have no right to), sexually frustrated men will continue to lash out with extreme violence.

Wait, so after demanding that women be more promiscuous, you’re berating them for being promiscuous?

Not that I’m surprised in the slightest.

The Columbine’s will continue. The Sandy Hook’s will continue. The Arapahoe’s will continue. Until society sits down and thinks over these problems with an unclouded mind, men will continue the shootings. More people will die just so Jane Doe can continue to ‘explore’ her sexuality until she hits the wall.

So young men should be guaranteed sex — OR ELSE THEY’LL SHOOT YOU — but young women are somehow evil for having sex with men who aren’t murderously frustrated nerds?

Of course, it’s always easier to scream, “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS! GUN CONTROL MENTAL ILLNESS!” and ignore the root of the problem and twiddle one’s thumbs until the next shooting. For many men, hundreds of thousands of them, they live in a mentally ill society. It’s a testament to either their humanity or their cowardice that more of them do not lash out like this.

And it’s a testament to your lack of humanity that you even think like this.

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Posted on December 30, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, alpha asshole cock carousel, alpha males, antifeminism, beta males, boner rage, creepy, empathy deficit, entitled babies, evil sexy ladies, imaginary oppression, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, narcissism, not-quite-explicit threats, playing the victim, PUA, rhymes with roosh, sympathy for murderers, that 80%/20% bullshit, that's completely wrong, victim blaming and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 610 Comments.

  1. MRAs live in a sad, sad world.

  2. And now we’ve entered the manosphere, where people apparently need an incentive to not shoot a bunch of people dead.

  3. I love how he came to this conclusion. Yeah so the guy isn’t attractive which must mean he isn’t getting the desired attention from the ladies, which means he was probably sexually frustrated, which means that’s probably why he killed her.

    Good call. Someone hire this man as an investigator!

  4. I want to cry. I truly do.

  5. Problem: a disproportionate number of people who commit school shootings are male.

    Solution: deprive high school girls of sexual agency.
    This is their actual thought process, folks.

  6. Funny MRAs, I thought men weren’t sex wild animals. You’re right, men aren’t able to control their urges

  7. Hello again, bottomless barrel of terrible humanity. Yet again you’ve managed to get even lower than I imagined you could.

  8. i don’t even…
    Facts aside (and there are facts, like Karl had decent amounts of money, comparable to the victim. and the fact that ever account says he didn’t select her, she was just in the way. and that he’s not exactly a dog. and he went to prom with his girlfriend. and and and)
    you are still left with a MRA who just looks at teh world and sees nothing but himself, everywhere.

  9. So, basically, to summarize – women have no right to prefer sexual partners who are attractive (especially partners who’re more attractive than them according to a bitter young man whose objectivity is questionable), it’s OK to shoot people if you’re sexually frustrated, and ugly girls are to blame for hot girls getting shot.

    Huh, I can’t imagine why this dude is having such a hard time finding partners. Truly it is one of life’s great mysteries.

  10. grumpycatisagirl

    “If men are barred from it (whether they actually are or merely feel that they are) for whatever reason, they feel little incentive for anything else; even if that incentive is to not go crazy and shoot people.”

    Also, if I were a man I would be seriously offended by this sentence. Yet we’re the misandrists. Okay. Sure.

  11. If men are barred from [sex] … they feel little incentive for anything else; even if that incentive is to not go crazy and shoot people.

    Right, because “going crazy and shooting people” is the default state by which humanity needs an incentive to refrain from. (Also, ableism = gross)

    It’s true, you guys. This morning I was feeling so unmotivated; I nearly grabbed a gun and went on a rampage when I decided I would feel better just hitting the snooze button and sleeping a few more minutes.

  12. Gotta love this disconnect that these assholes keep spewing — women are obligated to become intimate with violent men to avoid further violence….and when those same men commit violence against those women, it’s the woman’s fault for being with a violent guy.

  13. How could anyone be this insensitive? Families lost their children and they want to use this to promote their perverted point of views.

  14. Life without sex is a horrible experience, especially when you’re a young man. Although I get laid consistently, I have gone long stretches without any sort of sexual contact with women.

    Nothing like generalising to play the victim, eh, poor widdle bonerboy? Life without sex can be horrible for some people. It isn’t for others. And nobody, nobody, dies from its lack (unless we’re counting the people murdered by arsewipes who can’t even manage to masturbate their rageboners away). Some of us even survive a lifetime with no sex ever (in an earthly sense) and don’t turn into murderers or go around hating the other half of the species.

    I wonder how they’d react if this latest murderer – or any of them – turned out to be in a happy or at least satisfying sexual relationship and have other issues that made them choose to kill? It’s not like all murderous men are virgins. Oh, but I forget, even a dry spell is the worst thing evah for a man. Or is having to put up with a woman who’s not an HB10 the worst? I forget.

    Of course it’s not really about these guys getting a woman’s body to masturbate into – which I’m sure is all it would be; making love would be an utterly alien concept to them – it’s about owning and controlling women. That’s where a lot of their rage comes from. They can’t make us sleep with them.

    You notice how he’s doing what they love to accuse women of – being shallowly focussed on men’s looks. Surprise, surprise, fellers, it’s the toxic personalities that keep people away from you. Some of you might even be quite good looking, but the hate seeping out your pores is the worst sort of BO.

    I never thought Mr K would be called handsome by modern-day standards; I didn’t like the beauty standard for men (early 80s) when I fell for him. He was beautiful to me, that was all that mattered. But then individuality is another thing these guys refuse to understand.

    You know that expression of disgust you get when you’ve got some dirtbag’s chewing gum on your shoe, and you’re trying to scrape it off? How sickening that is – worse than walking in dog droppings?

    That’s the reaction these PUAs create.

  15. Here’s a thought — perhaps the general sense of entitlement that goes along with toxic masculinity might have something to do with why SOME people choose to commit violence because they don’t get their way? Like, the entitlement that goes along with thinking that women are obligated to have sex with anyone who wants it.

  16. grumpycatisagirl

    “are forced to remain virgins into their twenties.”
    I, as a woman, suffered that terrible fate myself. And looking back as my 40th birthday approaches, I’m glad it that’s how it went.

  17. Speaking as the nerdy class brain with the frizzy hair and thick effin’ glasses, I really have to wonder why I never shot up the whole school, attractive jocks first…oh wait, I don’t. It’s because I’m not a dumbfuck bumfuck of an MRAsshat full of cockamamie theories and too easy access to guns, that’s why.

  18. Oddly, he’s coming so close to the opposite view: that mass shooters are disproportionately [white] men because [white] men are raised to believe they are entitled to everything from sex to money to happiness, and they can react with extreme anger and hatred when that doesn’t pan out. *cough* All MRAs *cough cough* So near and yet…

  19. Bina, same here. The kids at high school made it really clear that I was too ugly and read too much and took great pleasure in making my life miserable. Somehow, I never did anything to them – though I admit fantasies of cutting them down in a cavalry charge crossed my mind! Not that I wanted sex with any of them, Ceiling Cat forbid. ::hurk::

    There’s another thing MRAs will never get: revenge fantasies of teenagers do not, in most people, turn to reality. Not because of the lack of horses and sabres, but because most people get it that murder is wrong.

  20. Well I just deleted a long rant, because it was hardly coherent. Summary — if mental illness does play a role in any particular act of school violence, getting laid isn’t magically the solution, sex doesn’t cute mental illness; whether it does or not, way to blackmail teen girls that they either put out or risk getting shot.

    And just who are they supposed to fuck? Some list they fuck in rotation to ensure no particular teen boy goes too long without one of them riding his dick? Or does this only apply to the pretty girls? But then wouldn’t there be less girls going around than boys looking for Teh Sex? Can the boys pass on their currently assigned girl? Do they then just have to wait for a girl they like to come up in their rotation or is being assigned a less than smoking teen girl (ew) cause to go on a shooting rampage?

    AND WHY ARE THESE GUYS OBSESSED WITH WHO TEENAGE GIRLS ARE FUCKING?!?!?

  21. Part of what concerns me about the proliferation of shit like this online is that it may be a lot easier for a kid to take that step from the kind of private revenge fantasies that a lot of teenagers have when they feel misunderstood or persecuted to actually going out and hurting people. Look at this guy – he’s straight-up encouraging boys who feel like nobody wants to fuck them to go shoot up their schools, and telling them that they’d be justified in doing so. For most kids they’l recoil from this immediately, but I worry about the influence it’s having on the ones who for whatever reason are a bit less stable.

  22. They should start a fight with 99% of the scrotosphere who keep whining about sexy women having sex with murderers. MRA mud fight!

  23. NONE OF THIS IS TRUE WHY DO YOU GUYS PRETEND THAT IT IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I DON’T EVEN

    IT’S NOT JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MEN WHO ARE HAVING SEX WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT ITS NOT TRUE WHY DO YOU

    ROK’s particular brand of virulent wrongness almost broke David.

  24. The Columbine’s will continue. The Sandy Hook’s will continue. The Arapahoe’s will continue. Until society sits down and thinks over these problems with an unclouded mind, men will continue the shootings. More people will die just so Jane Doe can continue to ‘explore’ her sexuality until she hits the wall.

    Shorter: The misplace’d apostrophe’s will continue unless Jane Doe learns to lie down and let Johnny Random rape her!

    No, shithead, that’s NOT how it works. Try addressing your gun control problem. Canada did, and our murder rates went way down. They’d be even lower if our damnfool conservative politicians took mental health issues seriously and reopened the mental hospitals, instead of just waiting until somebody flips out and then sending them to jail.

  25. Bina — it’s more than that, I think (though, I mean, not to be vain or anything, but I’m apparently attractive, so maybe that cancels bullying and not getting laid until nearly 18?)

    Cuz yeah, bullied, didn’t get laid until nearly 18, easy access to guns, often fucking suicidal, and yet I never once thought about hurting anyone else! Not even the bullies saying I should kill myself.

    I have a perverse fascination in what makes the kids who do hurt others different from how I was, it can’t just be my sense of morals or something, cuz I never even thought about it, where it being morals would mean I did and decided against it. But I guess looking at people society shuns and wondering what makes you different is sorta a normal reaction — the real question is how do I not become them. I’m mangling a point from Emilie Autumn’s book, written about her time in the psych ward, that part being about why accounts from psych wards fascinate us — she’s probably right that the real interest is an attempt to distance us from them (those italics aren’t meant to shame the “them” in her example, the difference between me and inpatient mental treatment? Mostly luck) Am I making sense?

  26. Bina – yu’p, MRA’s hat’e Englis’h to’o.

    Argenti – I can’t help it, I loved this typo: “sex doesn’t cute mental illness”.

    But cute cures everything!

  27. Argenti – massive sense of entitlement and rage that it’s not being catered to? Apart from the gun issues, this is so much a thing men do, far more than women.

  28. “What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men. This is a fact. The percentages aren’t certain (some studies claim a 60w/40m percentage – I personally think it’s as high as 70w/30m based on my own empirical observations), but the basics are a sure thing.”

    I stopped reading at this point, because people who can’t tell the difference between “empirical” and “anectdotal shit I just pulled out of my ass” are too stupid to be entitled to an opinion.

  29. “They’d be even lower if our damnfool conservative politicians took mental health issues seriously and reopened the mental hospitals, instead of just waiting until somebody flips out and then sending them to jail.”

    Oh boy do I need coffee to properly express a reply to that. It’s not that simple. Not just reopen them, but improve them — locking the suicidal away (and they are locked, it’s part of why I am obsessively careful not to say anything that might get me committed), without real treatment, isn’t going to cure shit. Like, the last time I tried to kill myself I was facing homelessness, merely locking me up wouldn’t have solved either my mental illness(es) nor the housing problem.

    And they don’t often (ever?) have suicidal wards. They lock people who’ve tried to kill themselves up with people who’re prone to screaming and violence. Often in mixed gender wards (which I guess at least means trans* people don’t have a “idfk wtf to do with you” housing issue like with homeless shelters).

    It’s a goddamned disaster. And that’s not touching the staffing issues, stories of people having self-inflicted wounds stitched without anesthetic are all too common (just as an example)

    We need a complete overhaul, not just more buildings to lock more people up in. To steal a line from EA’s book “when the asylum is really an asylum, I think I shall go and live there for ever and ever.” Now, idk about forever, but if it were anything like what the word asylum implies, I wouldn’t lie my way out of being sent there.

  30. Kitteh — maybe, there’s certainly some science behind the idea that some of us turn our rage inward while others turn it outward, and gender based socialization definitely plays a role.

  31. Well, next time I think the world is burdened with an over-abundance of happiness, I’m going to re-read this…

  32. Yeah, I’d only be thinking of it as an element in some of these cases, certainly not a blanket answer. Like Cassandra said above, it doesn’t help when fuckshites like this try to reinforce the message that boys and men are entitled to sex on demand (or whatever else they want) and that violence is a legitimate response to any and all frustrations.

  33. You notice how he’s doing what they love to accuse women of – being shallowly focussed on men’s looks. Surprise, surprise, fellers, it’s the toxic personalities that keep people away from you. Some of you might even be quite good looking, but the hate seeping out your pores is the worst sort of BO.

    No shit. That’s exactly what happened to me when my Grade 7 crushboy called me a “fuckin’ mutt”. My mental jukebox instantly screeched off “Hopelessly Devoted to You” and flipped onto “Love Stinks”. It cured me of ever wanting a guy based only on how cute he was.

    Ironically, another dozen years later, I got my revenge when I saw him in my doctor’s office. Know what I did to that little fucker? I glared at him. That’s all! And I even had the gratification of seeing him flush with embarrassment and shrink down in his chair like he wanted to die. He knew EXACTLY who I was. I didn’t have to confront him any further.

    Oh, and it didn’t hurt that I was wearing contacts and had finally grown into my looks, too. He was no longer so hot himself…had already gone to hell by his early twenties. So much for the theory that age improves the dudes…

    (And yeah, a cavalry charge would have been a fitting fate for him and his entire assholish clique, too.)

  34. Is it just me, or is ROK actually worse than AVfM now? Not that Elam or AVfM are any good; quite the opposite, they are about as despicable as Stormfront. It is just that ROK and Roosh seem to be on a whole other level of awful. It is insane. D:

  35. It is a little rich when guys on a site that regularly refers to women by numbers on a ten point “hotness” scale complains that women are being shallow and rejecting guys who aren’t good-looking enough.

  36. TL;DR
    Seriously, I zoned out about halfway through. What the hell is wrong with these people? I can’t even this is too absurd.

  37. What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men. This is a fact. The percentages aren’t certain (some studies claim a 60w/40m percentage – I personally think it’s as high as 70w/30m based on my own empirical observations), but the basics are a sure thing.

    MRAs keep trotting out stats like this – I’ve even seen the supposed fact that 80% of women are having sex with 20% of the men. If any of this was true, and it obviously isn’t, but if it was, and if we assume that most people desire a monogamous relationship with the person they’re having sex with, that means that a lot more men are cheating on their female partners than the reverse. Yet it’s women’s fault for not having sex with other men that they don’t want to have sex with? Huh. Does this mean I should cheat on my husband now, even though I don’t want to?

  38. Apparently not killing people is too hard for men unless they get their rageboners sucked away into a HB10’s mouth.

    Good job MRAs, you are your own worst enemy. Why are we the “man haters” again?

  39. BreakfastMan – hi, are you new? Have a Welcome Package!

    Yeah, I think RoK is worse than AVfM now. Doosh seems to be getting the worst possible stuff in his desperate search for clickbait.

    (PS not “insane” – appalling, contemptible, loathesome, whatever, but it’s got nowt to do with mental illness.)

  40. “Is it just me, or is ROK actually worse than AVfM now?”
    Right this moment, I’m inclined to cast my vote for ROK being the Absolute Most Awful (Legal) Thing on the Internet.

  41. I’ve even seen the supposed fact that 80% of women are having sex with 20% of the men

    I’m having sex with 0% of the men! Bwahahahahaha!

  42. Wasn’t there a time when society actively prevented adolescents from being sexually active? And they somehow survived without going haywire? Also, how is pity sex better than masturbation? I mean, in terms of increasing your self-worth.

  43. @kittehs

    You…..You misandrist!!!!eleven

  44. @kittehserf: [fistbump] We are the… whatever that percentage of the 20% are!

  45. *is
    Can’t proofread.

  46. grumpycatisagirl

    Me too, kittehserf and gelar!

  47. Not just reopen them, but improve them — locking the suicidal away (and they are locked, it’s part of why I am obsessively careful not to say anything that might get me committed), without real treatment, isn’t going to cure shit. Like, the last time I tried to kill myself I was facing homelessness, merely locking me up wouldn’t have solved either my mental illness(es) nor the housing problem.

    And they don’t often (ever?) have suicidal wards. They lock people who’ve tried to kill themselves up with people who’re prone to screaming and violence. Often in mixed gender wards (which I guess at least means trans* people don’t have a “idfk wtf to do with you” housing issue like with homeless shelters).

    It’s a goddamned disaster. And that’s not touching the staffing issues, stories of people having self-inflicted wounds stitched without anesthetic are all too common (just as an example)

    We need a complete overhaul, not just more buildings to lock more people up in. To steal a line from EA’s book “when the asylum is really an asylum, I think I shall go and live there for ever and ever.” Now, idk about forever, but if it were anything like what the word asylum implies, I wouldn’t lie my way out of being sent there.

    Argenti, wholeheartedly seconded here. Canada’s really down the shitter now. We’re hopelessly lacking in community support on all levels, these days, thanks to about 20 years of healthcare cutbacks by conservafucks at all levels. If you can afford private counselling (rich families help), then you’re a ways ahead of the homeless guy mumbling behind the dumpster. But even so, you still have no place to go where you don’t have to normal-fake when you’re desperately tired of pretending.

    I often wonder why I never saw my doctor when I was in a battle with major depression…and then I think back to the circumstances, and I realize that I had no safety net to speak of. It was either fake it till you make it, or just die. I didn’t have the hardcore desire to die, so I faked it until I got better. I was lucky that I could…and I have no idea where I found that energy. But it makes me mad as hell to know that NOTHING has improved in those 20 years…in fact, it’s worse now!

  48. I hate that MRA make me feel guilty for being attracted to some men and not others. It makes me feel that my emotions are wrong. I guess that is what they intend. The claustrophobia of feeling duty bound to be in a relationship is horrible.

    I think the belief that you need a woman to survive and that life without one is meaningless is fairly off putting to women. It scares me.

    I personally prefer to remain single as I then don’t have to justify choosing one person over another.

  49. ::returns fistbump::

    Don’t ask me to do percentages, they make my brain melt! :D

    Hahaha, I winz at misandry because king! Hypergamy! ::blows raspberry at MRAs::

    markb – my guess is that with MRAs, if not teenage boys in general, the satisfaction comes from forcing a woman to have sex, not from the sex itself, let alone any notions of intimacy. They seem to run away from that.

  50. grumpycatisagirl

    “I hate that MRAs make me feel guilty for being attracted to some men and not others.”

    Me too. I’m had this problem for feeling guilty about who I am and who I am not attracted to since . . . all my life. I suppose the person who has primarily made me feel guilty is myself. But nice guy(tms) have certainly encouraged me in that.

  51. Pear_tree – that’s horrible, that those scumbags can make you feel bad about anything. Does it help to say “consider the source”? They hate women, so everything they say stems from that and is arse about face (not surprising given most of ‘em can’t tell their arse from their elbow).

    There’s no justification needed to prefer one person over another, or to fall in love with one and not another. It’s not a contest or an employment decision or anything else, and you don’t owe anything to anyone, least of all the dregs of the scrotosphere. It’s not like you’d be choosing any of them in a million years, and neither – going from the evidence – is anyone else. They deserve their self-imposed misery.

    If you’re open to being in a relationship if one develops, cool! If you don’t want to be in a relationship, cool! Fuck the naysayers who try to define women that way, it’s none of their business.

    ::added fistbumps for grumpycatisagirl and Pear_tree::

  52. Okay, the World Population Clock tells me there’s about 7.2 billion people on the planet. With men around 49% of the population, this means that 3,528,000,000 of these people are men. I’m still in a relationship with my first and only sexual partner, which means I’m fucking only 1/3,528,000,000 men, or 0.0000000003% of men.

    I am misandry.

  53. grumpy, that is true it is mainly my own fault. I think a lot of women feel that guilt though.

    I don’t think there is anything useful I can say about their comments on mass murder. They seem to fail to see men as people with a sense of self and women as people with emotions.

  54. @Pear_tree,

    If it helps, remember that MRAs don’t really think men can’t live without women. They just want women to think we can’t live without men. They want us to be desperately afraid to say no.

    Yes, that means their ideal world is one in which hetero sex is rape by default. They actually want to live in the world they castigate Andrea Dworkin for positing that we already live in.

  55. What in the everloving fuck?

    How about we even, for a second, assume that “Men feel entitled to sex to the point where they will kill women if they don’t get it” is something that even resembles the truth.

    How is “Thus, we need to change society to give men more sex” anywhere close to a reasonable solution? Why not “Let’s change society and reduce that entitlement?”

    I mean, those aren’t real questions, because we all know the answer. And because we know this doesn’t actually have anything to do with the poor girl who was killed – it has to do with these cretins caring more about having sex than about the wellbeing of other humans.

    I just wish that they could have a moment of clarity and realize that in the story of a boy who shoots and kills a girl, they are not only identifying with that boy, but intentionally attributing his motives to their agenda. That they could just step back for a second and realize that they are crafting a narrative that sympathizes with a someone who kills an innocent bystander because they didn’t get laid.

  56. I’m just so lucky never to have been interested in any of the boys at school (hurl); it would have been like the episode Bina described. I thought I might when I did my one year of sort-of college; my class was all really nice people and we had a fun year, but romantically, no. Of course the real romance of my life did happen that year, but it was with Mr K, who ain’t no schoolboy (thank all the gods). I’ve been spared all the shit of dealing with dating or whatever, and while that quarter-century before we got in contact could be bloody lonely – as in, lonely for him, not for A Man – the only thing I’d change would be knowing what I know now, a lot earlier. I don’t miss one little bit not having any other relationships.

  57. PS I was supposed to be saying I’m also so grateful not to feel that guilt; it got lost in the works. :P

  58. Sorry, submitted too quickly. That last sentence should read:

    That they could just step back for a second and realize that they are crafting and participating in a narrative that sympathizes with someone who kills an innocent bystander because they didn’t get laid.

  59. ::bows before the power of augochlorella’s misandry::

  60. I hate that MRA make me feel guilty for being attracted to some men and not others. It makes me feel that my emotions are wrong. I guess that is what they intend. The claustrophobia of feeling duty bound to be in a relationship is horrible.

    Preach. I’ve been on both sides of the divide…felt like a complete loser for not being someone’s all-too-conventional idea of attractive at first, and then felt shitty again for rejecting a nice but no-chemistry-there guy friend later. (Blurting it out because I was so residually awkward and inexperienced at being considered attractive made me feel even worse.)

    You really can’t win with these guys, and that’s just what they want…women losing so that all your power are belong to THEM!!111eleventyone!!! Or some shit like that.

  61. I’ve never felt guilty about choosing some men over others. I don’t feel like men owe it to me to give me sex/companionship just because I want those things, so why should they have that expectation of me? It’s a classic double standard.

  62. There needs to be a way to persuade these guys that if they want to play at Gor, they have to wear the loincloths. Nice clear warning sign, plus there’s the point and laugh value.

  63. I vote for them writing GOR on their foreheads with a Sharpie.

  64. Cassandra – that’s how I felt about Mr K for a long time, too. I had no idea whether (assuming he was alive, which I didn’t know) he knew I existed, or if he did, cared – and I knew I had no right to expect any reciprocal feeling from him. Anything else would have been entitled and stalkerish.

  65. I vote for them writing GOR on their foreheads with a Sharpie.

    Seconded!

  66. The Columbine’s will continue. The Sandy Hook’s will continue. The Arapahoe’s will continue.

    As will the apostrophe abuse, apparently.

    When I got to the part where he blamed other women not having sex with this dude as the reason Claire got shot, I had to clean up brain matter as my head popped from the author’s venal stupidity.

  67. “I don’t feel like men owe it to me to give me sex/companionship just because I want those things, so why should they have that expectation of me?”

    It took younger me a long time to realize I could ask myself this question. But at least I finally did.

  68. Everything those people write is borderline schizophrenic. It’s just scary to read all those stuff. And all because of their sexual frustration, entitlement and lust for power and control over women and their bodies…

  69. Oh read. Schizophrenic =/= terrible person.

  70. @diana adams

    Maybe cut it out with the ableism?

    Actually, cut it out. No ‘maybe’ about it.

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