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Roosh V’s Return of Kings blog offers sex tips inspired by prison rape

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So a fellow over at Roosh Valizadeh’s Return of Kings blog has come up with a new way for men to “dominate” the women in their lives. And it’s inspired by … prison rape.

Let’s let him explain. The RoK writer who calls himself raywolf was allegedly hanging out with an alleged old friend of his who’d allegedly just gotten out of prison after 20 years for his part in an armed robbery in which a security guard was killed.

His friend “Jake” was apparently a bit taken aback by the changes that have taken place over the last several decades. Surprised by the ubiquity of tattoos amongst the general population, and by what he saw as a lot of “masculinized” women out there, he concluded that life outside of prison these days is a lot like life inside prison.

And this brings us to the prison rape. Or, as Jake prefers to call it, eliding entirely the issue of consent, sodomy:

He explained to me that one of the ways in jail that guys dominate each other and push someone into submission is with the use of sodomy. … there was a hierarchy established in some groups in the prison, through the use of having a bitch, especially amongst lifers. It’s not just a sexual thing, or gay – it’s a question of creating loyalty and having someone to cover your back and run errands and favors for you.

So at this point a light bulb apparently went off in Jake’s head and he thought:

“The answer is to fuck your bird in the ass, then she’ll be your bitch.”

It seems to me we’re missing something here, and that something is consent. Some people like butt stuff; some people don’t. The ass isn’t a battleground, or at least it shouldn’t be. If the, “bird” in question enjoys anal sex and agrees to it, you’re not actually “making her your bitch.” You’re simply having a particular kind of sex with her — and one that actually requires a grat deal of trust and patience in order to be pleasurable for both partners. If she doesn’t enjoy it and says no, you’re RAPING HER.

But let’s hear the rest of his, er, argument:

In times gone by, women were submissive to the male in large part due to the sexual act. The emotional response to having another human being penetrate your body and deposit their genetic fluids inside it is not to be overlooked in terms of establishing a power structure. I can hear the feminists howling rape as I write this, but it’s not entirely the case.

Well, it’s true that rape — and not just anal rape — has been used to terrorize women (and some men) into submission. But sex is sex and rape is rape, and it’s raywolf and Jake, not feminists, who seem to have trouble telling the two apart.

While women are hardwired to be submissive to their man, the internet is on fire with married men complaining about how aggressive, cold, demanding and so forth their wives have become. Clearly the power structure has collapsed.

Ah, now we get to the real complaint: women aren’t doing what we want them to do.

Naturally, raywolf tries to pretend that this makes women miserable too:

Women are not happy either—they are crashing about in men’s lives and bouncing from one divorce to the next.

So what does this have to do with butt stuff?

Vaginal sex is now seen as nothing more than a pleasurable pastime for women. It no longer carries the weight it once did. …

Whereas before a woman having sex with a man meant to some degree she had given herself away to that man, that she was now under his umbrella, today it is virtually meaningless—just a quick mutual genital massage.

Well, it can be. But PIV sex can still be and often is emotionally meaningful; it doesn’t cease to be that just because it no longer means that the dude with the penis gets to boss the woman around afterwards. Raywolf is confusing “meaningful” with “good for dudes like me.”

Enter the butt:

Sodomy on the other hand is still an act that has not been entirely pushed into the realm of indifference like regular sex has. You can most certainly find girls that are anal virgins.

There is a bit of truth here: anal sex does carry connotations (for many people at least) that vaginal sex doesn’t. It’s still seen as dirty, as taboo, and possibly even as vaguely humiliating for the receiver. For some people, that makes it a no-no; for others, that’s part of its appeal.

Raywolf then tells the story of an ex-girlfriend of his who

had got curious about anal sex from watching porn. She started asking to try it. … We freely had anal sex for many months, until we both passed over it as a ‘phase’. For that year, the relationship was amazing. She was  literally my bitch. She did what she was told.

Now, there’s just one little difference between this and prison “sex.” It didn’t take place in an atmosphere of coercion and physical threat. It took place because Raywolf’s girlfriend has decided to explore her sexuality. She’s the one who asked to do it. In other words, it was sex, not rape. How this equates to him “dominating” her or making her his “bitch” I have no idea.

Raywolf offers up his own crackpot theory to explain why butt sex makes those getting penetrated submissive:

I was trying to think into why this might be and you can laugh at my theory, but the connection of the rectum to the digestive system which is in many ways the emotional brain of the human machine is clear and present.

Well, it’s true that we can have “gut feelings” about things but, I’m pretty sure the emotional brain of the human machine is still … the brain.

If you look at the intestines they look a lot like the curls of the brain.

Oh. So things that look the same ARE the same? Is spaghetti the brains of Italian food?

Being stressed or nervous can literally shut down your digestion, make you throw up or lose your appetite. It’s an emotional group of organs. The kidneys and lungs for example are a more logical organ, they just process all day long.

After this bit of crackpottery, raywolf returns us to prison:

When a man is sodomised in jail, it’s not just the stigma or the act itself. As Jake explained – another male has taken control, and possessed his emotional state, both physically and psychologically, he therefore becomes submissive, at least until he’s been nailed by 20 different guys, then the whole thing becomes as much of a moot point as the vagina does these days.

There are many reasons why a male rape victim in prison might “become submissive” towards the man who raped him. One reason? Since he’s unlikely to be able to avoid his rapist, he may wish to avoid future rapes at the hands of the same man, or at least to mitigate the violence of these rapes. Or he might count on his rapist to protect him from being raped by others.

But to raywolf, after enough raping — sorry, sodomy — he ultimately becomes the one with power:

He gets bitchy after a while, now he’s got value, something others want. But his first has a huge hold.

In conclusion, raywolf argues:

It’s a theory for you to consider and experiment with. I noticed both my previous relationships got out of hand a few months after we stopped doing anal. If you want to hang on to her, try doing her in the ass a few times a month. Make her submit to you. It might make her settle down and lose some of the entitled attitude.

It’s remarkable just how readily these guys equate sex with themselves as a kind of punishment for any woman unlucky enough to find themselves in bed with them.

For raywolf, the actual sex seems to be almost beside the point. His real aim is to knock “entitled” women down a peg or two.

Just as he has elided the issue of consent when it comes to the person being penetrated — whether girlfriend or cellmate — raywolf has also elided the issue of pleasure, when it comes to the one doing the penetrating. Believe it or not, but some dudes don’t actually enjoy fucking other people in the butt.

But no matter: Raywolf, like Roosh himself, seems far more interested in taking out his aggressions and resentments on women than he does in actually enjoying sex.

NOTE: If you are concerned about prison rape, I’d suggest you check out the organization Just Detention International, which advocates for victims of rape and other forms of sexual abuse in jails and prisons.

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Posted on December 16, 2013, in butts, consent is hard, creepy, eek tattoos, evil sexy ladies, men who should not ever be with men ever, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, prison rape, PUA, rape, rape culture, red pill, rhymes with roosh, sexual abuse and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 254 Comments.

  1. Safe assumption, Argenti: I’d never try any hallucinogen, or any other recreational drug, unless chocolate counts – alcohol, blech. :P

  2. Can we be honest here? Forced anal sex on a woman is rape, plain and simple. Any man who forces anal sex should be tried and convicted (if not castrated). period.

  3. Kitteh — caffeine!

    Blackadder —

    1) did you read any of the other three pages of comments? Where we all agree that this is rape?

    2) castration = cruel and unusual punishment = no

  4. @Blackadder: Seconding Argenti’s comment here.

  5. LOL I don’t know how strong you take your coffee, Argenti, but mine sure isn’t of hallucinogenic or even recreational drug level! :D (One strong latte in the morning plus two-three cups of instant during the day – don’t think they’d count, somehow.)

  6. Mine’s been nicknamed superbrew. French press Sumatra with a dash of espresso powder.

  7. See, I wouldn’t know one bean from another. It’s simply “does this place do nice coffee without being ridiculously expensive?” I only drink coffee at home when I’m making it cold, with milk, and then I just use Mum’s decaf.

  8. RE: Argenti

    2) castration = cruel and unusual punishment = no

    Yeah, plus, castration has, from what I recall, doesn’t prevent someone from having sex. (There was a castrato singer who laid a LOT of men’s wives because nobody would ever suspect him.) Plus there’s always foreign objects and just… no. Castration is about as likely to stop a rapist raping as chopping off a hand will deter an arsonist.

  9. The eunuchs guarding the Grand Seraglio back in the day were noted for their sex lives too, iirc.

    I could see castration fuelling the anger a rapist feels against his victims anyway. They talk about “chemical castration” and so on, but that’s never what commenters have in mind.

  10. Also, I heard chemical castration didn’t stop raping either, even if I WAS in favor of such gross invasion of bodily autonomy, which I’m not.

  11. IIRC, chemical castration has been at times offered as an option in return for a reduced sentence–i.e. the prisoner can choose whether to serve a normal sentence w/o chemical castration, or a shorter one if they agree to chemical castration. But like LBT said, it’s been found to not be very effective. (If it were effective, I would support it in those circumstances.)

    Kittehserf: Jane Yolen has a short story, “The Tale of the Seventeenth Eunuch”, that incorporates that little fact.

  12. Castration as a punishment for rape also makes me think they’re implying that rape is masculinity, or at least uncontrollable sexual urges. I think that reinforces rape culture. I’m not sure if that makes sense…

  13. It makes sense. Castration, chemical or otherwise, assumes that the problem is an inability to control the urge to rape, combined with the dangerous assumption that “can’t get it up” = “can’t rape”. Added together that’s an unhealthy dose of “rape is because of uncontrollable sexual urges”. Which, uh, use your hands if you can’t control your need to orgasm.

    Also, you know, human rights issues.

  14. I always thought chemical castration was an attempt to disarm the person, the same way someone convicted for a gun crime might be banned from owning a gun. Although as Argenti points out, even if that’s the reasoning, it doesn’t work out because you don’t need a dick or a sex drive to rape someone. And as others have said, there’s the whole bodily autonomy issue, and for me that outweighs even the strongest arguments in favor of chemical castration.

  15. Do they even reread and comprehend what they write? Men in prison…raping other men. And use this ..info…to rape women? Okay, doesn’t this equate “men have a serious problem that they must address”?

  16. Hes only encouraging anal sex not rape. Fattroll if “Return of Kings” was a hate site im sure it would be shut down. Hell ur a misogynist urself. This website needs to be shut down…

  17. You’re crimes against spelling and grammar have been notes, josorio300. Please don’t make us call in enforcement.

  18. ^^Your crimes^^ .. have been ^^noted^^

    I’m tired.

  19. Hes only encouraging anal sex not rape. Fattroll if “Return of Kings” was a hate site im sure it would be shut down. Hell ur a misogynist urself. This website needs to be shut down…

    Oh, have we reached the irrational, trailing-off-mumbling stage already?

  20. They’re letting the baby trolls out of kinder far too early these days. ::shakes head sadly::

  21. Is there a troll target painted on this blog today? Seems to be getting more troll traffic than usual…and they’re not even the amusing kind of troll, they’re the utterly mind-numbing boring sort.

  22. Who is supposed to “shut down hate sites”? Facebook won’t. Lj won’t. There isn’t any “international internet police” doing that.

    None of which changes that you are wrong, and lying, about the OP, so why should we take you at all seriously?

  23. Does anyone else see “ur” and think Ur instead of “you are”?

  24. I just think “dimwitted buffoon”, personally.

  25. I tend to see it as [d]ur[r].

  26. Here is a drawing of ur idol…

  27. cloudiah: “You’re crimes against spelling and grammar have been notes, josorio300. Please don’t make us call in enforcement.”

    Translation: “WAHH WAHH!!!! Im calling the police because im butthurt by josorio300s comments and spelling!”

    But seriously you losers almost made me laugh.
    Almost……

  28. [Content note: sexual violence]

    @josorio300

    So you’re another one of those douchebags who think that only forced PIV penetration is rape? And here you are calling David a misogynist…

    Also, posting fatphobic, transmisogynistic portrayals of David really reduces your credibility and respectability to almost nothing.

  29. @josorio, that might be more insulting if anyone here found the idea of men in dresses (and/or MAAB people IDing as women) inherently taboo or funny. Personally, I think David looks adorable in that picture, although I’m not sure who Beast is supposed to be…

  30. From my perspective, since he’s on the other side of the country, David is essentially pure intellect/personality, since that’s how I (and most of us) interact with him. Why am I supposed to care what he looks like?

  31. Does anyone else see “ur” and think Ur instead of “you are”?

    Once upon a time on LiveJournal, there was a user icon that was a picture of a Babylonian frieze depicting a battle, with the caption “Im in Ur, killin Ur doodz”. History nerds are some of my favorite nerds.

    Did anyone notice how josorio ignored any substantive criticisms of his comment to whine about the one mocking his spelling? It’s almost like that was the only one he had any chance of countering.

  32. Is it the running of the trolls already? Today’s been full of them. And if this is the cream of the crop, oy.

  33. Whoever drew that picture needs to learn how to color.

  34. Once upon a time on LiveJournal, there was a user icon that was a picture of a Babylonian frieze depicting a battle, with the caption “Im in Ur, killin Ur doodz”. History nerds are some of my favorite nerds.

    I <3 this.

  35. I think we should just post drag videos until Mr Gender Police goes away.

    Here’s a man in drag and a trans woman having a very NSFW dance-off:

  36. Ach, I mean to say, the trans woman is also in drag. I think. I mean, RuPaul has said you don’t need to be a man to be a drag queen (at least not for the purposes of her show), and if you take the view that drag is any form of gender play then you can still do drag within your own gender anyway.

    Anyway, the point is, fuck off josorio.

  37. American women are low class. All covered in tattoos, smoking, wearing pajamas half the time, dye jobs with roots showing for months, and a queen bee complex.

    Except you do for purposes of the show, because there’s never been a bio queen or a trans woman who came out before the show started.

  38. That was supposed to quoting the Rupaul quote in Emily’s post. The ctrl C goblin is cahoots with the blockquote monster.

  39. True. This was Word of God during the most recent season (IIRC someone came out as she was being eliminated? You might remember it better than I do), so it’s just theoretical until she intentionally picks a woman to compete on the show.

  40. Who cares what some second rate PUA like Roosh whatshisface thinks? The men that are drawn to blogs like ROK are the type of misogynistic low life oxygen thieves that all smart women would do well to avoid, the poor darlings are full of self-pity and rage about their sexual inadequacy and masculinity (or lack of). They go on and on about how horrible Western women are and how they’re venturing east for hotter and more “traditional” (read: Desperate for a Green Card) women, like as if anyone is supposed to care? Good riddance. They won’t exactly be missed in the dating market.

  41. Headless Unicorn Guy

    Four words: ANIMAL. FORCED. DOMINANCE. DISPLAY.

    In prison parlance, “Making a Woman out of Him”. (I’ll leave you to figure out the accompanying definition of “woman”.)

    Several years ago, Conservative Jewish talk-show host Dennis Prager got into a lot of trouble on the Internet for an essay of his, “Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality”. His thesis was not homosexuality per se, but sexual definitions before and after Torah.

    Before Torah, sex was not between men and women so much as between Penetrator (Dom on top) and Penetrated (Sub on bottom) in an Animal Forced Dominance Display. Sex or gender didn’t matter, only who was on top doing the penetrating and who was on the bottom getting penetrated. (The analogy to prison rape or rape culture should be obvious.)

    Prager continued with Torah’s homosexuality taboo being part of redefinition of sex to a more equal relationship between husband and wife. (Though people being people, this was honored as much in the breach as in the observance. Looking for a loophole for “What *I* Wanna” is nothing new.)

    This also touches on a meme I’ve had since I first read Thomas Cahill’s The Gifts of the Jews from a perspective of Furry Fandom — the idea of Transcending the Animal. PUAs, MRAs, Manosphere types — they don’t want to Transcend the Animal, they just want to be the Herd Boss/Harem Boss/Alpha Male. ANIMAL. In a way, they want to cease to be human.

  42. Here is what’s amusing: these talk about how hurt they are when people over look the rape of male victims, and then they write this article……….
    Okay.

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