Red Piller: Unless white women start “sh*tting out” more babies, western civilization is doomed

A shipment of white babies.
So one of the regulars on Reddit’s The Red Pill subreddit — the “TRP Endorsed” contributor who calls himself IllimitableMan — has worked himself into a lather about the coming Whitepocalypse. You know, the impending collapse of civilization that Mr. Man and assorted other racist asshats fear will come about as a result of white women refusing to pop out the required number of white babies to keep it alive. Sorry, due to white women refusing to “shit out” the required number of white babies. (Mr. Man is quite the defender of family values.)
It pretty much goes without saying that IllimitableMan blames feminism for it all. In fact, over the course of his rambling, repetitive, and rage-fuelled 2,000 word rant he manages to blame feminism for the impending death of the white race roughly half a dozen different times.
Here’s perhaps the most coherent statement of his thesis:
Feminism has infected western civilization, which means by merit of these societies being predominantly white Caucasian, has harmed this ethnicity the most on a global level, reducing its birth rates the most significantly and affecting its various European and anglo speaking cultures the most adversely. …
What we can conclude is that castrating men by raising them to be effeminate whilst simultaneously allowing women too much freedom and self-determination and polluting said women to view men as adversaries leads to a drop in the birth-rate so deep that a society becomes unsustainable, leading to its inevitable collapse.
So why are white women less interested in popping out babies these days? Blame that Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel.
A fundamental criticism of feminism is it taught women to take on masculine traits, to provide, to work hard, it demonised the sanctity of motherhood, it taught women to value career and the self (an overlap with individualism there) over motherhood and family, 21-year-old White Caucasian girls no longer give any fucks about being a mother and a wife like they did in the 50′s and 60′s, no now they’re thinking about jumping on as much cock as possible, getting a degree, going on holidays … and generally fulfilling the sexual and materialistic elements of their hypergamy. Family and reproduction takes a back-seat.
Ah, good old “hypergamy.” I would just like to take a moment to point out that the word hypergamy actually means “the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.” Red Pillers and Men’s Rights Activists have so distorted the basic concept that Mr. Man here can use it to mean “fucking lots of dudes who aren’t me, providing for themselves and NOT getting married to anyone” without blinking an eye.
Mr. Man continues:
Society facilitates this as any imposition of responsibility or standards placed on a woman is rationalised away as simple “oppression” some psychological misogyny cards are played and voila, Miss Jane average can diffuse all her responsibilities and continue to live as a completely obnoxious and self-entitled bitch giving no fucks in the world about settling down until her beauty privilege fucks off around the age of 30 aka “she’s hitting the wall.” Whilst she was fucking around in her twenties, the average immigrant woman has already had a couple of kids and they’re attending school now.
Damn you white ladies, for neglecting your duty to the white race and refusing to get married until you’re ugly crones in your (gasp) thirties!
And so, while white birthrates decline, European countries have opened their borders to not-white people who show up and eat not-white food and wear not-white clothes and make a lot of not-white babies. Mr. Man, who is apparently British, notes:
[A]n American friend came to London once and stated “IllimitableMan there are no fucking English people this looks like Pakistan” Yes, I did just throw anecdotal evidence in there, this is a blog – not a fucking thesis and I’m starting to taste prozac in my mouth after the incessantly negative tone this piece carries, of course many of you know as such that the pill can be a bitter bitch.
I felt compelled to look up the actual demographics of London, and found that roughly 60% of London’s population is white — which is what I assume Mr. Man’s friend meant by “English people” — and the vast majority of them are of British origin. Roughly 3 percent are Pakistani, another 3 percent are Bangladeshi, and not-quite 7 percent are Indian.
It’s kind of amazing the effect that bigotry can have on someone’s perception of reality, huh?
Like some other Red Pillers and white supremacists out there, Mr. Man looks to that beacon of hope and freedom in our world — Russia — for the possible salvation of the dying white race.
As usual, like with feminism, Russia seems to be one of the few countries making a stand against egalitarian bullshit and seeing the world for what it truly is, a ruthless and uncaring place, I guess being an inherently “red pill country” and opting to reject the babble of cacophonous radical leftist ideologies has had it benefits for the Ruski people.
The funny thing about Mr. Man’s rant is that many of the basic demographic trends he cites are, in fact, real. White birthrates have fallen, and as he points out, in the US more whites are dying than are being born — though somehow he’s missed the news that the birthrates of immigrants to the US have fallen even faster, with the birthrates of Mexican immigrants falling nearly 4 times faster than that of native-born Americans between 2007 and 2010.
Women have entered the workplace in larger numbers and are waiting longer to marry (as are men). Feminism has something to do with all these changes, but so do changes in birth control technology, in education and in the economy.
So what? The real problem with Mr. Man’s rants is that, for assorted racist and misogynistic reasons, he thinks all this is bad. Europe and the US are becoming more multicultural? Cool. That makes the world a more interesting place. Birth rates are falling, not only for whites but for other ethnic groups? Cool. This planet has already got more people than it can handle, and lower birth rates may be critical if we have any hope of staving off a total environmental collapse.
I’m always a bit perplexed by Red Pillers and pickup artists ranting about how women (whether white women or women in general) need to settle down and get married and start popping out babies because that’s their duty as women. It’s not like Red Pill dudes seem particularly interested in marrying these women and raising these babies with them.
Once again, it seems to come back to the issue of control: they’re angry at women for actually living independent existences in their twenties and — oh my gosh! — sometimes even their thirties or later, and “you’re betraying your race” (whether that race is the white “race” or the human race) is just a convenient excuse to bash women who are not so much “out of control” as out of their control.
Posted on December 15, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, alpha asshole cock carousel, antifeminism, armageddon, boner rage, evil sexy ladies, evil women, grandiosity, imaginary oppression, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed white men, racism, reactionary bullshit, red pill, reddit, whitepocalypse and tagged alpha asshole cock carousel, alpha males, anti-feminism, antifeminism, birth rate, demographics, misogyny, racism, red pill, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 840 Comments.








…and you missed the point Kenny. I am surprised, or not.
We just plain don’t give a fuck, other than to comment on the racism and incorrect anecdotes. (Including, btw, the lack of white people in NYC)
@Argenti- White tourist! Are you blind to your own comment? I specifically said, you can hardly see a white-born American in NYC. You co-signed my point by saying you seen a bunch of white “TOURISTS” in midtown or downtown. That’s exactly what I was saying. Those white are NOT American by birth. White Americans by birth in NYC do NOT exists.
David, you should add “nofollow” to your links to these sites you talk about, and to the boob roll. That way you can talk about them as much as you like without giving them any of your google juice.
Why and how to do it: http://google.about.com/od/searchengineoptimization/qt/how_to_make_nofollow_tag.htm
Motherhood doesn’t require providing and hard work? Fuck you.
But, yeah, I never bored my kids.
“You clowns who want to pretend that this isn’t the case are obviously saddened by the reality and that in the next century, there might not be another Caucasian walking the Earth.
Sad reality to accept, so the I don’t expect anyone to NOT try to bash me for this.”
I’m white and I couldn’t give two fucks if white people are “out bred” or whatever.
“The only way that the white race can survive heading into the next 100 years, is if they integrate and inter-mix with blacks. Oh; but that is the case and that is actually why lots of white women are breeding with black men. It’s a subconscious survival tactic. Blacks don’t have to mix with whites for the blacks survival. But the whites have to mix for their survival, or it’d means the end to the white race as the red piller guy wrote about.”
What.
I don’t want to bear kids OR bore holes in them. That seems like something CPS would object to.
Oi you do get that people from other parts of America visit NYC right? And I doubt the helpful people at the verizon store when my dumb ass got lost were tourists. Nor all the business men in their snazzy suits. Nor, for that matter, the so white he’s a redhead dude that I was visiting (though technically he doesn’t actually live in the city itself, so does that make him a tourist?)
(Remembers to tell friend from NY that he’s not white. This is going to be an awkward conversation, since he’s Irish.)
@Kitteh- So what is and should be the biological purpose of women? Isn’t it to breed, replicate? Do you subscribe to any religious text (perhaps the Bible)? Didn’t you know that the primal purpose of any woman is to bear offspring? You didn’t know that?
With your mentality, it is also the reason why white are the minority in America. This may sound degrading, but so-called white Americans lack foresight. They don’t think of race, but think of $$, wealth and status.
Well the thing is, $$, wealth and status won’t ensure the survival of your kind.
Blacks, as messed up as we are in America, we at least have the foresight to know to continue breeding because #’s mean power, and we can take over America in the near future with sheer #’s. Whites don’t think that far because they lack foresight and are too consumed with money and status, which cannot get you anywhere when money and status become obsolete as it will be and as is currently in a down economy.
Calm down.
Yes, Kitteh is causing the lack of white people in America, by not even being on the same continent! How dare you exist outside of the US KItteh, wasting your whiteness!
Now in the CORRECT thread!
Apparently, since I’m not indigenous, I’m not a TRU American, even though my birth certificate would attest to the fact that I’m born here and even though I’ve only been out of the United States twice.
It’s akin to the “Where are you from?”/”America”/”No, where are you from?” conversation.
I have a friend who’s Viet who used to get pulled into that conversation all the time. Creepy white guys never would accept “Cleveland” as the correct response.
If Mr C and I had had kids I’m not sure how that would have helped to boost up the number of white people in the US…
CassandraSays – I got lucky and was born in an Asian/Hispanic majority community, so no one’s ever dared to pull that shit on me. I suspect that if I ever move out of my state that I’ll see this conversation a lot.
1) purpose for?
2) well, that’s uh, http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zyu2jAD6sdo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dzyu2jAD6sdo
3) I didn’t realize wealth and $$ were two different things.
@ Alice
What’s worse is that these conversations were happening in San Francisco, where people really ought to know better.
@Argenti- Lol dude, I’m a Pick-Up Artist; I pick up women for recreation and a living.
You’re basing your argument of the NYC demographics on the so-called tourists you see in NYC.
How do you know that they’re even tourists since you aren’t talking to them?
I on the other hand, as a Pick-Up Artist, it’s my duty to approach and open hundreds of women on a daily basis.
I’ve spoken to thousands of random women over the past 2 years alone (in NYC). How many have you struck up a chat with?
My point is, if I’m in downtown Manhattan and spot a white girl, the moment I try to pick her up by stopping her, the accent stands out.
Therefore, you point is correct: the average white girl in NYC is NOT a white-born American but a tourists from Europe, Canada or Australia.
I know this because I talk to them while you just speculate that they’re tourists.
@ auggz
True wealth is measured in bitcoins.
CassandraSays – … wowwww Good job San Francisco. You’re totally the pinnacle of a post-racial society. *rolls eyes*
Nope, nope and nope. Go read Race, Monogamy, and Other Lies They Told You written by an actual biological anthropologist, mate. Also…no archaeologist I know uses the term “mongoloid” to refer to people from Asia. Your knowledge of anthropology is a few decades out of date.
….SocialKenny, surely you are aware that the main thing determining fertility rate in the modern world is culture and birth control access, not raw fertility? Even assuming your melanin/fertility connection holds some kind of validity, which I doubt, it’s not the main thing controlling population growth.
I don’t know of any groups in the US that are consistently popping out babies from menarche to menopause with no spacing or limitation of births, except maybe the Amish? Even traditionalist Catholics use NFP and/or relatively late marriage to keep the kid-count under control.
Also, last I checked, birth rates for black women in the US was pretty close to the white rate. http://www.epi.org/blog/black-birth-rate-converges-white-rate/
at any rate, I’m not worried about the fate of “white” people. It’s an odd idea when you get right down to it. If my future great-grandchildren are 1/4th white or whatever, then… so what?
I just had to jump ahead on this the simple fact is, white women just aren’t build physically, nor genetically to bore lots of kids. Maybe Italians aren’t considered white in that guy’s world but my grandmother was one of 10. My aunt had 6. I have a number of Catholic co-workers who are from large families (Irish being the most prolific). I just looked at the grammar (“build” and “to bore”) and had to shake my head
My parents had seven children. Can’t wait to tell my mother she wasn’t really white – anyone got a Ouija board I can borrow?
Socialkenny’s shtik reminds me of an argument I had with an Africentic acquaintance some years ago – he was insisting that Cleopatra VII, last of the Ptolemies, was black. She was Egyptian, after all, and Egypt is in Africa, so q.e.d. I explained that he could use the same argument to prove that P.W. Botha was black. Didn’t go over well.
“- Lol dude, I’m a Pick-Up Artist; I pick up women for recreation and a living.”
That’s a prostitute.
Also, Socialkenny, I’m curious what the point is of your assertion that most white women in NYC aren’t from America. – I mean, okay seeing as no one’s citing demographic data and you’re basing your assertion on completely anecdotal evidence..whatever, let’s pretend you’re right. What point are you trying to make?
Oh yeah, if anyone’s curious: here are the demographics of NYC from the US Census.
“Once again, it seems to come back to the issue of control: they’re angry at women for actually living independent existences in their twenties and — oh my gosh! — sometimes even their thirties or later, and “you’re betraying your race” (whether that race is the white “race” or the human race) is just a convenient excuse to bash women who are not so much “out of control” as out of their control.”
Brilliant summary.
“(Remembers to tell friend from NY that he’s not white. This is going to be an awkward conversation, since he’s Irish.)”
Yours too?!
Kenny, dude, getting on a tour bus kinda gives it away. And clearly you missed the part about asking for directions (repeatedly, I somehow get lost in a grid). Also, oh yeah, the business men in the snazzy suits!
Maybe, just maybe, the clubs you go to aren’t real popular with the locals, what a thought!
Ok, I have someone I need to inform that he isn’t white, this should get interesting!
Sorry didn’t read enough in the comments to realize what a Gumby Socialkenny is.No offense is meant.
yeah, my great-grandmother was one of 13. Mostly English ancestry, possibly some Native background, too. Nine survived to adulthood, all but one of those had families of their own, but none had more than a handful of kids. My great-grandma stopped at two.
Jump forward a generation or two, and you find people just don’t generally have 13 kids anymore. That has a whole lot more to do with access to reasonably reliable, well-accepted birth control and a modicum of material comfort, not… melanin.
Freakin’ weird. ha
@Acran- You raised a good point because lots of Italians do NOT consider themselves to be white, and you know that, and the average American knows that.
You cannot call a New York Italian white or he will fuck you up! They prefer to be called black if anything, but Italian Americans, the ones on the East Coast primarily, do NOT consider themselves white.
Also, to take it a step further, lots of Italians have African/black blood, which is why Sicilians are the color they are.
You know this and history proves it with the Hanibal invasion of Italy. So a great # of Italians have black in them.
You’re still basing your argument on government figures and stats. Not credible.
Dude are you literally stopping every single white lady on the street. What the fuck.
Are we at the “one drop rule” now? *snore*
Chucklefuck Kenny, are you prating some sort of faux evolutionary bullshit about women’s “purpose” here? You’re no better than fundies with their notions of women’s job being to bear children until we die. Don’t give me the naturalistic schtick or any other that just turns into “men are totes great and do all the important stuff, and women are things to be fucked and give birth and do all the childcare”. You’ve nothing original to add on that old line, sonny.
Also, as has been pointed out – I’m not any sort of USian. Neither am I upset about what races people are, or what the numbers are, or whatever. I see plenty of Australians who’re of mixed-race ancestry, and that’s fine by me. Why shouldn’t it be? You seem to be more confused than usual if you think we’re the ones hand-wringing about “the white race” disappearing.
On credibility: data > anecdotes from some random dude whose identity we can’t verify
Someone must have skipped class the day they talked about information literacy.
So if there are only three races, what race are Italians?
@Heather- I work in a historical museum currently. So don’t try fooling me into your garbage. Fool someone else, but I work in a museum.
serrana – I suspect “Negroid” (eww, i feel dirty now), because I think the “one drop rule” was invoked here:
This is adorable.
“You cannot call a New York Italian white or he will fuck you up! They prefer to be called black if anything, but Italian Americans, the ones on the East Coast primarily, do NOT consider themselves white.
Also, to take it a step further, lots of Italians have African/black blood, which is why Sicilians are the color they are.”
The fucking fuck is this shit? Go see where I mentioned my full blooded Italian grandmother, and the visiting NYC thing — I’m within two hours by train, from the north. East coast Italian in other words. And yet to meet a single Italian who’d rather be called black than white. Now, a preference for Italian over white, sure, but no, you aren’t going to get “fucked up” for calling an Italian white. I mean, unless you’re being an asswipe, but then it isn’t the white part that’s the issue!
And perhaps you missed this lesson, but Sicilians being called black is thanks to a history of Italian racism. Don’t do it. That might actually get you fucked up.
Also, sweetie, appeal to authority isn’t an argument.
“My point is, if I’m in downtown Manhattan and spot a white girl, the moment I try to pick her up by stopping her, the accent stands out.”
Only tourists can have non NYC accents? You realize that a lot of people move there because of their job, right? If I moved there it would take a while for my Tennesseean accent to wear off, and I’d keep some of it forever, probably.
” Fool someone else, but I work in a museum.”
Oh my god that is the best comment.
I WORK IN A MUSEUM; YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID
@Heather- The reason I raised the NYC argument was to highlight that the white population in NYC is a minority. Most white girls you run into in NYC are either tourists or not born in America but living here now.
BTW, I am NOT an American. Born in the Caribbean islands, immigrated to NYC with my parents at the age of 8. I’m now 31.
ignotussomnium – Oh gods, what’s next?
“I READ THIS BOOK BY SOME FAMOUS GUY ONCE, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID.”
Actually, most Italians I know or am related to would just stare at you like you grew an extra head if you called them black. It makes that little sense. (I might have to try that at the next family reunion!)
This is fucked up on so many levels.
@Socialkenny: And what, exactly, is your job in this historical museum? And which museum?
@Alice- You are still citing government census. You think the government tells the truth? Do you think those independent-census bodies tell the truth. Wake up and smell the coffee.
I’m on the ground and you’re citing stats to try to convince people from what their eyes see and what they have personal experience with :). #Ridiculous !
Awww, he works in a museum.
What as? Security? Admissions desk? Cleaner? Information line? Lots of jobs in museums, kid.
…by NYC standards I have an accent. Seven years of Pittsburghese will do that. Pittsburgh is still America right? If not, and they’ em gone and gotten Canada’s safety net, somebody let me know so I can move back as soon as my baby fish are big enough to travel!
Alice, numbers are biased. The Guesstimation model is preferred when dealing with large populations.
Zombie Ann Landers, is that you?
Anybody got that study on seeing a minority as a majority past a certain threshold? The one about women being 30% of a room causing the room to be seen as primarily women.
@Ignot- Pretty much. How many are you stopping and picking up?
Oh yes, so Kenny’s pulling the GUMMINT LIES shit. Yawn, how predictable. One might say he’s acclimatised all too well to the USian rightwing idiocy.
Auggz — but only his guesstimating, mine is invalid cuz I’m not a PUA.
What purpose on earth would be served by “the government” (which agency? state, federal, or municipal) distorting the number of white residents as much as you claim they are?
C’mon Mr Academic, tell us what this special job is you have in a museum. You’ll need to try hard to outdo Pell for pomposity, though.
Regarding the NYC thing…again…my question is: What is the point of highlighting that you think that white Americans are a minority in NYC? For the sake of argument, let’s say they are. So what?
None because stopping random people on the street is kinda creepy. Also It’s kinda hard for me to stop folks in NYC considering I live in the South.
So, Kenny claims to be picking up women on the streets, and finding they’ve all non-NYC accents – he must be pretty good at distinguishing an accent from two words, since “fuck off” is probably all he’d ever hear.
If I moved to NYC right now, my tennessee accent would probably never go away totally. I’m always a tourist there, apparently.
@Serrana- Italians are Caucasian, some mixed with negroid. What’s your point? Are you saying Italian is a race in and of itself? They don’t consider themselves to be whites! That doesn’t make them not white.
auggziliary – DAMN IT. I forgot, I’m dealing with some conspiracy theorist who thinks that anecdotes are more valid then hard core data and that governments = EBIL.
This guy didn’t just skip the information literacy class. This guy skipped logic class too.
Why do PUAs who come here always think that we’ll be impressed by their tales of annoying women in public? Kenny is now taking it to the next level by moving from “I work in a museum so I must be right” to “how many pick-ups have you made?” as proof of…something.
NYC is the US, just as the US is the world, apparently!
I am so going to have to ask the 50~ people, most at least a quarter Italian, at the reunion if they consider themselves white. I’m guessing a 100% “yes” rate.