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Red Piller: Unless white women start “sh*tting out” more babies, western civilization is doomed

A shipment of white babies.

A shipment of white babies.

So one of the regulars on Reddit’s The Red Pill subreddit — the “TRP Endorsed” contributor who calls himself IllimitableMan — has worked himself into a lather about the coming Whitepocalypse. You know, the impending collapse of civilization that Mr. Man and assorted other racist asshats  fear will come about as a result of white women refusing to pop out the required number of white babies to keep it alive. Sorry, due to white women refusing to “shit out” the required number of white babies. (Mr. Man is quite the defender of family values.)

It pretty much goes without saying that IllimitableMan blames feminism for it all. In fact, over the course of his rambling, repetitive, and rage-fuelled 2,000 word rant he manages to blame feminism for the impending death of the white race roughly half a dozen different times.

Here’s perhaps the most coherent statement of his thesis:

Feminism has infected western civilization, which means by merit of these societies being predominantly white Caucasian, has harmed this ethnicity the most on a global level, reducing its birth rates the most significantly and affecting its various European and anglo speaking cultures the most adversely. …

What we can conclude is that castrating men by raising them to be effeminate whilst simultaneously allowing women too much freedom and self-determination and polluting said women to view men as adversaries leads to a drop in the birth-rate so deep that a society becomes unsustainable, leading to its inevitable collapse.

So why are white women less interested in popping out babies these days? Blame that Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel.

A fundamental criticism of feminism is it taught women to take on masculine traits, to provide, to work hard, it demonised the sanctity of motherhood, it taught women to value career and the self (an overlap with individualism there) over motherhood and family, 21-year-old White Caucasian girls no longer give any fucks about being a mother and a wife like they did in the 50′s and 60′s, no now they’re thinking about jumping on as much cock as possible, getting a degree, going on holidays … and generally fulfilling the sexual and materialistic elements of their hypergamy. Family and reproduction takes a back-seat.

Ah, good old “hypergamy.” I would just like to take a moment to point out that the word hypergamy actually means “the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.” Red Pillers and Men’s Rights Activists have so distorted the basic concept that Mr. Man here can use it to mean “fucking lots of dudes who aren’t me, providing for themselves and NOT getting married to anyone” without blinking an eye.

Mr. Man continues:

Society facilitates this as any imposition of responsibility or standards placed on a woman is rationalised away as simple “oppression” some psychological misogyny cards are played and voila, Miss Jane average can diffuse all her responsibilities and continue to live as a completely obnoxious and self-entitled bitch giving no fucks in the world about settling down until her beauty privilege fucks off around the age of 30 aka “she’s hitting the wall.” Whilst she was fucking around in her twenties, the average immigrant woman has already had a couple of kids and they’re attending school now.

Damn you white ladies, for neglecting your duty to the white race and refusing to get married until you’re ugly crones in your (gasp) thirties!

And so, while white birthrates decline, European countries have opened their borders to not-white people who show up and eat not-white food and wear not-white clothes and make a lot of not-white babies. Mr. Man, who is apparently British, notes:

[A]n American friend came to London once and stated “IllimitableMan there are no fucking English people this looks like Pakistan” Yes, I did just throw anecdotal evidence in there, this is a blog – not a fucking thesis and I’m starting to taste prozac in my mouth after the incessantly negative tone this piece carries, of course many of you know as such that the pill can be a bitter bitch.

I felt compelled to look up the actual demographics of London, and found that roughly 60% of London’s population is white — which is what I assume Mr. Man’s friend meant by “English people” — and the vast majority of them are of British origin. Roughly 3 percent are Pakistani, another 3 percent are Bangladeshi, and not-quite 7 percent are Indian.

It’s kind of amazing the effect that bigotry can have on someone’s perception of reality, huh?

Like some other Red Pillers and white supremacists out there, Mr. Man looks to that beacon of hope and freedom in our world — Russia — for the possible salvation of the dying white race.

As usual, like with feminism, Russia seems to be one of the few countries making a stand against egalitarian bullshit and seeing the world for what it truly is, a ruthless and uncaring place, I guess being an inherently “red pill country” and opting to reject the babble of cacophonous radical leftist ideologies has had it benefits for the Ruski people.

The funny thing about Mr. Man’s rant is that many of the basic demographic trends he cites are, in fact, real. White birthrates have fallen, and as he points out, in the US more whites are dying than are being born — though somehow he’s missed the news that the birthrates of immigrants to the US have fallen even faster, with the birthrates of Mexican immigrants falling nearly 4 times faster than that of native-born Americans between 2007 and 2010.

Women have entered the workplace in larger numbers and are waiting longer to marry (as are men). Feminism has something to do with all these changes, but so do changes in birth control technology, in education and in the economy.

So what? The real problem with Mr. Man’s rants is that, for assorted racist and misogynistic reasons, he thinks all this is bad. Europe and the US are becoming more multicultural? Cool. That makes the world a more interesting place. Birth rates are falling, not only for whites but for other ethnic groups? Cool. This planet has already got more people than it can handle, and lower birth rates may be critical if we have any hope of staving off a total environmental collapse.

I’m always a bit perplexed by Red Pillers and pickup artists ranting about how women (whether white women or women in general) need to settle down and get married and start popping out babies because that’s their duty as women. It’s not like Red Pill dudes seem particularly interested in marrying these women and raising these babies with them.

Once again, it seems to come back to the issue of control: they’re angry at women for actually living independent existences in their twenties and — oh my gosh! — sometimes even their thirties or later, and “you’re betraying your race” (whether that race is the white “race” or the human race) is just a convenient excuse to bash women who are not so much “out of control” as out of their control.

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Posted on December 15, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, alpha asshole cock carousel, antifeminism, armageddon, boner rage, evil sexy ladies, evil women, grandiosity, imaginary oppression, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed white men, racism, reactionary bullshit, red pill, reddit, whitepocalypse and tagged , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 840 Comments.

  1. Argenti – dangeously irrational is a really good distinction, imo.

  2. You can also call them “creeps”, mostly because it seems to enrage MRA’s for some reason.

  3. Alice – absolutely, I mightn’t have emphasised that enough (crazy vs irrational).

    Utter wankers is The Truth with these losers. :)

    … There’s a street near my place called Ernst Wanke Road. I revert to twelve and get the giggles every time I see it.

  4. zoon echon logon

    These white genocide idiots don’t bother to actually understand even the most basic facts about demographics before they spin their ass-theories.

    Get this through you thick skulls you racist chodelickers*:

    Fertility is inversely correlated with per-capita GDP.

    People have less babies when they have more money. That’s it. That’s all that’s going on. Europe and America have lower fertility rates because we have a higher standard of living. As Dave noted, this is why immigrants’ fertility rates rapidly drop off.

    Macroeconomic research bears out this picture. Fertility starts to drop at an annual income per person of $1,000-2,000 and falls until it hits the replacement level at an income per head of $4,000-10,000 a year (see chart 2). This roughly tracks the passage from poverty to middle-income status and from an agrarian society to a modern one.

    http://www.economist.com/node/14743589

    You can see this same trend in countries that don’t have any sort of major feminist presence. Iran, for instance:

    When the clerical regime took over in 1979, the mullahs, apparently believing their flock should go forth and multiply, abolished the country’s family-planning system. Fertility rose, reaching seven in 1984. Yet by the 2006 census the average fertility rate had fallen to a mere 1.9, and just 1.5 in Tehran. From fertility that is almost as high as one can get to below replacement level in 22 years: social change can hardly happen faster.

    http://www.economist.com/node/14743589

    White people aren’t going anywhere. As the Economist article notes, fertility is falling across the world as developing nations become more prosperous.

    The real problem with demographic collapse is that there’s not enough workers to pay for the people in retirement. Look at Japan, for instance. Immigration (most immigrants are young, productive workers) is one way to solve this, and is the main reason that the US doesn’t have Japan’s problems. If you’d rather be unable to retire, rather than have brown people paying for your social security… well, you’re fucking dumb.

    Sorry for the rant.
    *No offense to anyone who likes to lick chodes, that’s your choice and is totally cool.

  5. MordsithJ – *gasp!* You dare call them creeps??? CREEP SHAMERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!11!

  6. MordsithJ – LOL yes, nothin’ gets them frothraging like being creep-shamed. MISANDRY!

  7. I’m sorry, but… is it is not -more- ableist to imply that all “mentally ill/disabled” persons are crazy than it is to use the word as an insult? I know I personally am -always- offended by the implication that my depression/anxiety is the same as “crazy” (as crazy carries a heavy negative connotation), while hearing “crazy” as a general insult causes minimal emotional response.

    I’d much rather see the word go the same way as “idiot” or “dumb” (washed out into nonspecific insult) than see the connection between it and mental illness strengthened.

  8. zoon echon logon

    So… um… depression isn’t a real, “crazy”, mental illness because you have it and you’re not like those “real” crazy people?

    Yeah, no. The problem is that “crazy carries a heavy negative connotation”, not whether people might be directing their ableism towards the “right” mental illnesses.

  9. Alice, I don’t understand how you have to look *around* a pole. You can literally take two steps to the side and see baby Jesus. This is like basic mental mapping skills.

  10. @kitteh Yeah, I understand what you mean about “irrational” getting thrown out there–” it’s kind of like, “Oh-ho, and you *aren’t*?!”

    Alas, can’t use “wanker” with a straight face; masturbation is totally normal and not at all shameful and never hurt anyone. I’m also not really into “asshole” because lots of guys who style themselves “alpha male” types view that as an actual compliment.

    “You’re an asshole.”

    “Thanks! :D

    “fuck off and die in a fire.”

    “Polyp on the ass of humanity,” though, that has some potential.

  11. I have always had the same thoughts that you expressed about the duty to keep reproducing. Isn’t the world on the brink of an over-population crisis as we speak? And wasn’t birth control popularized as a way to help prevent that? Correct me if I am wrong there. I know red pillers want to spout off nonsense about it being so women can be free to slut it up without “consequences”, but I don’t think that’s the story, even though if it were, what’s wrong with women wanting to be in control over their own reproductive choices? We don’t need to keep having more unplanned pregnancies.

  12. Personally, I don’t like the word “dumb” with its implications that people with speech difficulties are stupid, but as the community here seems to accept it, I don’t protest. It may be a UK vs US thing.

    It would be nice to think that “crazy” could become as washed out as “idiot” but until that day ….

  13. Thanks Redcap, as long as they don’t call you crazy it’s fine if they do it to me! Or is OCD/PTSD not on your crazy list?

    I thought Man Boobz had this sorted! It’s not hard and much more fun to come up with other words!

    Also, can’t really lay claim to the polyp jibe, that’s paraphrased from Red Dwarf. :)

  14. Ceebarks, maybe hemorrhoid would be a good insult. Also sometimes asshole gives me homophobic vibes, like how a common joke about gay men is how “icky” they are for liking man butts.

  15. augzilliary – Apparently it’s oppression if you have to move to see the baby Jesus, because they demand the right to be able to see baby Jesus from ALL angles, without some heathen thing obstructing anyone’s face.

    THE TRUE FACE OF OPPRESSION, PEOPLE!

  16. Wanker is good. But it doesn’t have “hilariously irrational” built into it in one nice, neat package. I must confess, I’m not convinced on the “crazy” problem – maybe it’s a cultural difference? – but I will refrain from using it here.

  17. For some reason “walking landfill” just came to mind as an insult. Not sure it has much punch, tho’!

  18. Haemorrhoid… hmmm. It has potential. Suggests something Pythonesque, like “you’re a boil on the arse of humanity” type thing.

    Maybe “fistulating varicosed pimple”?

  19. My favorite alternative to “crazy” or “dumb” as habitual insults is “chucklefuck/ery”. It means pretty much the same thing (“that’s RIDICULOUS!”) without playing into ableism, and is fun to read and say.

    One of the reasons Manboobz is a good place is that it reminds me how often I’ve been letting that kind of thing slide lately, since it can be like climbing a hill with one’s pinky toes to challenge such things in other fora, leading to a very real drop in my ability to even notice such things. Another is that we can have reasonable discussions about it with a relatively low chance of people flaming out.

  20. Chucklefuckery. I love it! I want to use it! Immediately.

  21. Chucklefuck’s another one I only know from here, but I really like it.

    Thing with these losers is they’re not just wankers – as in pretentious gits – they’re keyboard ragewankers. Which could explain their godawful writng – they’re typing one-handed while severely distracted.

  22. People have less babies when they have more money.

    That’s true, but it’s not the only way you get fewer children.

    One of my favourite TED talks – Hans Rosling. http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies.html

    Of course, introducing Argenti to the gapminder data site might mean we get a lot more number stuff thrown around, but that won’t hurt anybody. And if you want to know my all-time favourite TED talk, that’s also by Hans Rosling, The Magic Washing Machine.

  23. Wait a second here, I thought every woman’s dream and purpose in life is to get married to those guys, steal their sperm, pop out babies, trap them into fatherhood, exploit their resources etc. Now it turns out that women are actually guilty for not giving a fuck about all this. I want some of the red pills those guys are taking.

  24. Hey, I just realised something. I always said I’d never have a child unless it was going to be the next king of France (a useful way to baffle nosey idiots into silence). Does this mean I’m doing hypergamy right after all?

  25. Alternatives to ableist words:
    -Absurd
    -Illogical
    -Laughable
    -Ridiculous
    -Ludicrous
    -Nonsense
    -Nonsensical
    -Incongruous
    -Preposterous
    -Senseless
    -Bizarre
    -Farcical
    -Silly
    -Outlandish
    -Unreasonable
    -Outrageous
    -Asinine

    There is such a variety of words, why should “crazy” be the first one to be used?

  26. For Pete’s sake. I wasn’t implying that my mental illnesses weren’t mental illnesses, or that it’s appropriate that ANYONE who has mental illness be called “crazy”.

    I was trying to say that “crazy” is (at least in my area) becoming a nonspecific insult like “idiot”, and that I disagree that its usage against idiots is a problem because then the connotation shifts from “insult for people with mental illness” to “insult for people who act in objectionable ways”. The word’s meaning widens and becomes redefined.

    Again, using it against those with mental illness should not be tolerated.

  27. “It may be a UK vs US thing.”

    Quite possibly, I did a report back in like 2nd grade on Helen Keller. My book said “blind, deaf and dumb”, so I did too. We had a sub that day, who was, predictably, not aware that I was a weird kid and thus simply freaked out on little 6~7 year old me because she was quite intelligent!

    Redcap…um…no. I used to do the “at least I’m not that kind of crazy”, until, well, commenting here actually. Well, that and getting official bipolar and PTSD Dx’s…you know, being officially that kind of crazy. I mean, I don’t even tell most people those two, I just go with anxiety and depression since those aren’t seen as those mental illnesses…plenty of people have anxiety and/or depression, so they aren’t judged like those illnesses. And that’s the problem with what you said, you’re still separating yourself from them. I am, however, all in favor of reclaiming it (I am, after all, a bag of mixed nuts!)

    In other things, English needs a form of “this” that carries the connotation that “iste” does in Latin (basically “iste” is spat out as an insult, please read the above italics in that tone)

  28. “Again, using it against those with mental illness should not be tolerated.”

    Except it is tolerated by the vast majority of society, at least in my area anyways.

  29. mildlymagnificent — where is this link? You know I love numbers!

  30. Redcap – I get your point, I hope: it’d be something if crazy did become as innocuous as idiot, and as little an insult to actual mental illnesses. But so far, it hasn’t; it’s still loaded.

    Argenti – “In other things, English needs a form of “this” that carries the connotation that “iste” does in Latin (basically “iste” is spat out as an insult, please read the above italics in that tone)”

    Does this mean Heartiste has a built-in insult? Say it’s so! :)

    Blithering (as in blithering idiot) is a term that needs to come back. It so applies to MRAs, and especially the trolls we get.

  31. Doesn’t “irrational” in internetese basically just mean “female”? A comment about menstruation usually follows.

    Meanwhile, I want to hand this guy a biology textbook, which is becoming a familiar feeling with both MRAs and PUAs.

  32. Cassandra – ouch, yes, it usually does. Or “not atheist” if it’s an AsshatAtheist blithering.

  33. How do you pronounce heartiste? Is it Heart + East, or Heart + ist?

  34. I’ve always assumed it’s “east”. I think it was a play on the word artiste … which is kind of funny, if so, given that was generally a put-down.

  35. Whites may not like to hear this, but the simple fact is, white women just aren’t build physically, nor genetically to bore lots of kids. Simple! Their bodies and physiological structures just aren’t built for child bearing on a mass level. Plus the lack of melanin in white people, decreases the chances of caucasoids breeding plenty, in relation to other races (negroid, mongoloid) and ethnicity.

    So in the next 50 years, whites will be the minority in the world. Well in fact, whites are already and has always been the minority on Earth of the 3 races while negroids being the majority.

    Not to get all pessimistic, but there won’t be any white race in the coming future. They’ll be eradicated due to genetics, poor breeding and lack of melanin in the skin.

  36. Are we absolutely sure that Kenny isn’t a Poe? “Lack of melanin inhibits breeding” is a new level of ridiculous even by his standards.

  37. As for the figures in London; pure BS by the original poster.

    You can hardly spot a white, Brit-born Londoner in London. The place is overrun by Pakistanis and other such groups. Just as in New York City, where I am from, you can hardly spot a white American. It’s truly a nation of immigrants, and that’s what white Americans need to accept.

    BTW, there isn’t such a thing as white Americans since every white group immigrated over anyway :).

    All in all, guys need to stop studying BS stats and use their common sense. Statistics are BS and propaganda for the sleeping masses.

    Whites are already the minority in America, but you’ll never hear this in the media nor by the statisticians since they don’t want this information out there, so they must keep up the fallacy that whites in America are the majority.

    So stats are BS!

  38. I lost ten IQ points reading that.

  39. Did he say something? My eyes glazed over after the first paragraph.

  40. Fuck off, Kenny, you moron. Nobody here buys racist bullshit whether it’s coming from red pill losers or you (“overrun with”? Really?)

    If there’s no such thing as white Americans because they’re all of immigrant descent, there’s no such thing as any Americans who don’t have indigenous ancestry, regardless of their skin colour. It’s meaningless anyway, since “America” wasn’t a concept when the native peoples had the place to themselves.

  41. @Cassandra- It isn’t that lack of melanin inhibits child birth, it’s simply that the lack of melanin in the body stunts the capability of certain processes in the body.

    A white woman cannot bear more kids than an average black woman, if they were to hypothetically try to impregnate a black and a white girl as fast and as much as possible.

    This is the same for Latinos; they breed fast also as blacks do, plus they also have melanin in their blood as a huge percentage of Latinos are black (Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Panamanians, etc.).

  42. Math is bad for estimating populations apparently. You just eyeball it. Duh.

  43. I didn’t realize melanin was a vitamin.

  44. Also, who actually uses the world “mongoloid” to refer to people of Asian descent anymore?

  45. Kenny, sweetie, just stop talking, Do you really want our collective opinion of your intelligence to drop any further?

  46. It’s like Bloody Mary! Say “Polyp on the anus of humanity” too many times and Reddit will duly supply.

  47. Phrases like the following always catch my eye:

    castrating men by raising them to be effeminate

    allowing women too much freedom and self-determination

    taught women to value…the self (an overlap with individualism there)

    women to take on masculine traits…to work hard

    now they’re thinking about…going on holidays

    Sorry for the billion blockquotes, but, yeah…those bits all really caught my eye. It’s hardly surprising when you get manosphere types spouting misogynistic nonsense…and even racist crap is pretty damn common. But all the above bits sort of provide a bit of insight into just how twisted this guy’s worldview is…like, beyond simply ‘yeah he’s racist and sexist.’

  48. @Kitteh- Did I say that every other group wasn’t American? The natives are the only true Americans as you said. I have no issues with that. But tell the average white American that and see if they don’t punch you in the face for saying that they aren’t native to America.

    Y’all guys and gals on this site are ultra sensitive to truth and facts whenever they run contrary to what y’all media feed you like zombies who are unable to see the truth even when flashed in your faces.

  49. Hey, I just realised something. I always said I’d never have a child unless it was going to be the next king of France.

    I found pictures of your children:

  50. I think you’re confusing America the country and continent(s).

  51. @Alice- In case you didn’t know, there are 3 base races on the Earth and has been for thousands of years. I guess you slept in history class. And archaeologist and anthropologists still use the term mongoloid to refer to Asians. Do you need another source?

  52. Mah beautiful bebbes! :D

    auggz – who’re you talking to, me or Antisocial Kenny?

  53. “Just as in New York City, where I am from, you can hardly spot a white American.”

    O RLY!? Cuz, I mean, I haven’t been in a month and a half, so maybe the place was overrun since then, but midtown was full of white tourists the last time I was there (and the next person who tries to sell me a tour, or religion…*screams*)

    “Are we absolutely sure that Kenny isn’t a Poe? “Lack of melanin inhibits breeding” is a new level of ridiculous even by his standards.”

    Too much Save the Pearls?

    “no such thing as white Americans”

    Um…*pulls out family tree* yep. My mother’s father was British back to the 13th century (at which point my brother and I both went “okay, British records are awesome, but this is now boring”…seriously, being related to lords and barons is cool and all, but we were back before the Black Death!). Of course, her mother was full blood Italian, so she’s not a white American and neither am I. (Lol, by the one drop rule I’m really not, that whole Native American great great grandparent thing)

    Speaking of great great grandparents, I am a very proud fishie great grandparent, and absolutely banned from asking my mother if she wants to see her great great grand fishies. (So many fry! And they’re all tiny and wiggley and not quite so good at swimming yet [they kinda hop more than swim for the first few days!,being bottom feeders and all])

  54. @kittehserf, Social Kenny. With the “white Americans aren’t Americans” argument.

  55. So Kenny sees women as breeding machines to be kept pregnant. I am all astonishment.

  56. Thanks, auggz. Just wanted to be sure! :)

  57. Um, Kenny? You said white American, not Native American. Which are, as any anthropologist will tell you, different peoples.

    Are Natives caucasoids, negroids or mongoloids?

  58. Argenti, congrats on all the wee fishie babies!

  59. I’m pretty sure the “Negro, Caucasian, and Mongoloid” model is outdated as fuck.

  60. ‘getting a degree, going on holidays’ Those selfish monsters!

    Well, this guy should love me then, I have a beautiful white little boy, and I’m hoping for another one. Oh wait, I had the baby via a sperm donor, I guess that makes me evil incarnate?

  61. So, ignoring the PollCeption developing in this thread…I used to live in London, and how white it is depends on the neighborhood, but overall the city is probably about 50% white and 50% everyone else. There are way more black people than people from the subcontinent, so I guess dudebro is from the “OMG Muslims scare me” arm of the racist coalition.

  62. Just as in New York City, where I am from, you can hardly spot a white American.

    Does that mean New York City has ceased to exist?

    Come to think of it, did we ever verify the existence of Chicago?

  63. PoeCeption, I mean. I still think this whole Kenny thing is some sort of performance art, and that’s why he picked the name of the kid who dies in every episode of South Park.

  64. The truth really hurts around here.

    I’m against the MRA and Manosphere because of their bigotry and racist crap, but the redditor who’s under the proverbial microscope of this article, is spot on when he speaks about the declining white race.

    You clowns who want to pretend that this isn’t the case are obviously saddened by the reality and that in the next century, there might not be another Caucasian walking the Earth.

    Sad reality to accept, so the I don’t expect anyone to NOT try to bash me for this.

    The only way that the white race can survive heading into the next 100 years, is if they integrate and inter-mix with blacks. Oh; but that is the case and that is actually why lots of white women are breeding with black men. It’s a subconscious survival tactic. Blacks don’t have to mix with whites for the blacks survival. But the whites have to mix for their survival, or it’d means the end to the white race as the red piller guy wrote about.

  65. auggziliary – Yeah, far as i know, it’s 100% outdated and the vast majority of anthropologists/archaeologists/whatever don’t use the term anymore. The fact that “mongoloid” used to be a slur for people with Down syndrome might have helped with its decline.

  66. MordsithJ — should I ask pecunium? I mean, we do need the existence of NYC verified by a certified penis owner right?

    Auggz — yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re right about that one.

  67. “now they’re thinking about…going on holidays”

    ITS THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!1

  68. I’m against the MRA and Manosphere because of their bigotry and racist crap,

    but the redditor who’s under the proverbial microscope of this article, is spot on when he speaks about the declining white race.

    Choose one.

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