Dalrock on why men should avoid women who’ve wasted “a lot of courtship” and “used up their most attractive/fertile years.”
Posted by David Futrelle

Woman with surplus courtship
Dalrock, a manosphere traditionalist with a great love of charts and statistics and other accoutrements of SCIENCE, has managed to figure out a way to stretch “don’t be so picky, ladies, or you’ll get old and ugly and no man will ever want you” out to 1500 words.
Here are a few of them:
Men foot the searching costs in the marriage and sexual marketplace (MMP & SMP). This means bearing most of the risk of rejection and expending the bulk of the resources to facilitate the process of meeting and getting to know one another.
Oh dear. We’re off to a very unpromising start here.
As the ones who bear the costs of courtship, men have a strong incentive to minimize the number of women they court and the overall duration of time spent in the process. However, as the consumers of courtship, women have an incentive to draw the process out as long as possible and to receive courtship from as many men as possible.
Here’s some surveillance footage of an average American woman being courted by several men.
But now — get this — the ladies are waiting longer to marry!
Just think about what this does to the dude navigating the marriage market hoping to “maximize his Pareto efficiency,” if you know what I mean and I think you do.
He needs to manage risk vs reward. When courting, there are two fundamental risks. These are the risk of wasting resources on the wrong women, and the risk of rejection harming the man’s reputation/MMV.
So watch out, ladies, because if you wait too long, guys are going to decide you’re not much of a bargain!
For a man who is managing the risks of courtship outlined above, the age of a woman is very important. The older a woman is, the more likely it is that she is very picky and/or not seriously looking for a husband.
Exactly! Because women never change their mind because they’re, you know, in a different stage of their life or anything.
Older women also are less attractive from a courtship perspective because they have used up more of their most attractive/fertile years, and while their attractiveness for marriage has declined their expectations for courtship have only increased.
This reminds me of that famous joke, you know, where that woman approaches Winston Churchill at a party and says, “Sir, you are drunk.”
And he replies: “And you, Bessie, have used up your most attractive/fertile years. But I shall be sober in the morning, and you will still have used up your most attractive/fertile years.”
That Churchill, what a card!
Consider the 25% of current early thirties White women who still haven’t married; unless they are terminally unattractive an awful lot of courtship has almost certainly been wasted on them.
Are there really a lot of guys who look back on the women they dated in their twenties and think, “boy, I wasted a lot of courtship on those gals! I mean, I wasted nearly 14 courtship on Jessa alone!” (Also, who knew that the women are always the ones to blame when heterosexual couples in their twenties break up?)
They aren’t just bad bets for courtship today, but (in retrospect) they clearly were bad bets for courtship for the last 15 years. …
Put simply, the extended delay of marriage by women has placed marriage minded men in a dilemma; older women are (generally speaking) known bad bets for courtship, but half of early twenties women are also poor bets for courtship.
Well, you could always marry a dude.
There are only two logical ways men can respond to women’s extension of courtship.
Wait, really? Please, please, please, let one of the ways be “marry a dude.”
The first logical choice is to recognize that these women are debasing marriage, and decide to “court” for sex and not marriage.
Damn. Anyway, sexual relationships are fine, but you are aware that there are other kinds of relationships — sorry, “courting” — besides sex and marriage, right?
Ok, we still have one more. Marry a dude. Marry a dude. Marry a dude.
But while “courting” for sex is a logical choice, it is not a moral choice, and we still do see men courting for marriage. For these men, having a fairly low age cutoff makes a great deal of sense.
That’s your, er, “solution?” Marry a teenager? Or a woman at most in her early twenties?
As Dalrock knows, but doesn’t want to believe, those who marry when they’re very young are much more likely to divorce than those who marry when they’re older. For evidence, see this chart, which I found elsewhere on Dalrock’s own blog:

But hope springs eternal for modern misogynistic manospherian marriage market minded men (MMMMMMM).
Posted on November 18, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, evil old ladies, evil sexy ladies, evil women, marriage strike, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, patriarchy, playing the victim, reactionary bullshit and tagged marriage strike, misogyny, traditionalism. Bookmark the permalink. 1,428 Comments.








Michael ends that Dalrock post like this.
Er, yeah, if you marry a women (sic) she is most likely going to be either under or over thirty. Such a complex mathematical problem to work out.
3) Be single and enjoy my money.
Go for it.
Mikey, you forgot a choice:
4) Marry a man
Same-sex marriage is legal in California, right?
Yuppers.
I just love the look on her face in the “Nadezhda Durova at about age thirteen” pic.
Go back even further and you’ve got St Olga of Kiev, who you do not want to mess with.
A minor detail amid all Mikey’s grossness, but what on earth is this? Like a butterfly’s WHAT on a beast? I didn’t think butterflies (see, Mikey, that’s how you do plurals) were that interested in beasts. Beasts aren’t noted for supplying nectar. Is he trying to say “like bees round a honey-pot” and totally fucking it up?
Women’s javelin has been in the Olympics since 1932. Here is a link to a picture of the gold medal winner, Midred “Babe” Didrikson.
It took a lot longer for women’s pole vault to be an Olympic event (the year 2000).
Ah, but “honeypot” is so feminine. And I’m guessing that Miky is as ignorant about the sex of bees as he is about grammar & punctuation.
And there’s a such a satisfiingly racist dog whistle feel to “beast”, isn’t there, Mikey?
Love that pic of St Olga of Kiev! Her expression is totally “You want to be next, boy?”
He probably thinks the worker bees are male and the drones female. MRAs tend to.
There are some great pics of St Olga, and curiously enough they all seem to have that expression – even some of the icons!
This one’s my favourite – the eyes look like she’s thinking “Why was I born several centuries too early to hook up with Vlad Tepes?”
Oh yeah, Russian and Ukrainian women are pretty, all right…but they can also kick the shit out of any dude who messes with them. How conveniently they forget…
Either that, or they resent the fact that drones are male, and consider it misandry. And proof positive of a grand feminist scheme to reduce males (and their honey-golden sperm!) to an oppressed slave class.
Anyone have a badass Russian or Eastern European woman from earlier than 900 AD?
Yes! All those poor beta drones and that horrible b***h of a queen bee making them compete … MISANDRY!
Hey, I got called an “emotional feminazi” who’s doing the whole misandry thing by some douchey little idiot on Raw Story. So much laughage (especially the bit when someone said the Nazis were so well known for crying through romcoms).
Mikey’s racist? I am shocked, SHOCKED that such a fine, manly, upstanding hunk o’ husband material is a racist.
How fitting. Mikey, write when you have an original thought.
Now, now, hellkell. Wouldn’t you say “invisible shrieking shrew” is original?
… Okay, maybe not.
Telling us to walk our dogs was pretty original, it threw me off quite a bit. “GO HAVE A PEACEFUL TIME YOU WHORES”.
Caring about animals is misandry!
I wonder if he has a dog. Poor thing.
Mike: “where are you going?!”
Kate Moss: “I was going to walk Coco, do you want to come wi-”
Mike: “NOOO. It’s too peaceful outside! If you’re not careful, you’ll have a good time!”
Ooh, I miss Coco, and his offspring. Loved that puppy… (my former roommate’s dogs, though the puppy thought he was mine)
Mikey’s prolly scared Kate Moss will meet someone when she’s out walking the dog.
Friendly Person: Oh, that’s a sweet dog! What breed is zie?
Kate: She’s a Maltese-Poodle cross.
Friendly Person: There are so many lovely poodle crosses. Have you seen the … [conversation ensues]
Mikey would have a shitfit if KM got out of the house and met, y’know, likeable people.
Even without the conversation, another person getting within 10m would freak him out, because that’s how hitting on people works. General proximity.
Just as well dogs aren’t allowed in supermarkets, Mikey’s head might explode. :P
Say, does this mean I hit on all the men in the train this morning? That’s quite a talent, given I was asleep.
>guffaw<
Don't tell him that "feminazis" generally can't stand romcoms, due to their gender-norm-enforcing crapaganda value. He'd probably only counter that they encourage hypergamy, or some typical bullshit like that.
Me too. It just reeks of skepticism, boredom, restlessness, and “I can’t wait to get out of this frilly dress already!”
Heheh that troll won’t be telling anyone anything. He got flagged several times and has had his arse kicked off there.
If money is the metric women are supposed to pick a man by Michael knows that those black football players he’s waffling on about, if they’re any good, will end up making a truckload more money than he does, right? And they’ll have better bodies too.
Give it up, Mikey. Everyone knows that you’re just mad that the girls didn’t want to go out with you when you were in college, trying to make a philosophy out of the resulting sulk just makes you look silly.
Mikey, before I tear into your recent idiocy, I have a serious question for you: You’re terrified if becoming a SPINSTER yourself, aren’t you? You keep going on and on about how awful being unmarried is. And you keep trying to make yourself look good. You sound really desperate. You’re afraid of ending up alone, aren’t you? Your desperate. And you’re projecting all those feelings of fear and desperation onto random women you pass in the grocery store.
See above. You desperately want our approval. But you’re stupid, and an asshole, and deep down you know that you aren’t going to win any friends with your personality. So you make up unbelievable stories about yourself.
WAIT WAIT WAIT. You know all 5 of the women on Facebook? All 5 of them? The only 5 women on Facebook? The only 5 women in the world that exist? I take it all back, Mikey. You sure are a bigshot, what with knowing all 5 of the women on Facebook.
Yeah, the women here are a lot smarter than you, Mikey. That really pisses you off, doesn’t it?
We are mocking the hell out of you. You deserve it. You have offered absolutely no proof that Dalrock is correct, after repeated requests to do so. So at this point, I’m calling it. You got nothing and you lose. And you’re really pissed that you see men, other than yourself, in happy relationships, aren’t you? And you can’t figure out what they have that you don’t; and you can’t face the simple truth that it is you and your toxic personality that is keeping you from having a happy relationship with a woman, so you’re projecting that onto other men by calling them “losers.” Plus, the SPINSTER thing I said above. Plain truth of the matter, Mikey, is that you’re the loser, and you did it to yourself.
Oh yeah. If my choice is Richard Sherman or Mikey, #25 wins every time.
Dunno; you tell us. You’re embarrassing yourself regardless of whether your stories are fake or not.
Or sillier, in Mikey’s case.
So how do the men who don’t have wads of cash (which Mikey totally does, of course) get women evah? Does this mean we’ve all settled for losers? And why is Mikey so keen on hypergamy?
Ooooh, has Mikey being doing the Ultimate Test of looking for us on Facebook?
Could be tricky for him since not everyone uses that site.
Sparky called it, Mikey. You’re sad and desperate and projecting like mad.
Here’s an idea for you: take an English class. You might learn to spell, you might learn some grammar, and you might even make friends with people, if you can learn to keep your toxic hatred of everyone who’s not you in check.
Okay, maybe that last one’s too much to ask.
He’s getting so flustered about the fact that his tales of the jetset life (condo on the beach! with lawyers next door! airplanes! my tax returns, please admire them!) are failing to make us renounce our evil non-whiny-asshole-worshipping ways and beg him for forgiveness. It’s funny. Keep it up, Mikey!
Akk, “been doing”.
or maybe you can and they changed them when they got married.
When women list themselves as “in a relationship” on Facebook that’s terrible. I bet they’re almost as unhappy as Michael.
(This seems unlikely)
Even with his repetiveness, Mikey’s the most entertaining troll we’ve had for a while. SPINSTERS itself puts him ahead of the incredibly boring efforts of the last year.
Few people are as unhappy as Michael.
I need a hand doing a new acronym. I’ve got S P I Never Stops Trolls Spouting Endless Repetitive Screeds but I can’t think up anything for the first three letters.
SP = Significant Payment? Sunny Playa?
It needs three words – S, P, I.
S P
self-proclaimed?
lots of stuff could follow self-proclaimed!
Self proclamed idiocy! :D
Showing Perfect Idiocy Never Stopped Trolls’ Endless Ragefrothy Screeds
I was afraid idiot and variations were non grata, but carry on!
importance/impotence (that might be non grata too :()
I wonder how many young women Mikey thinks will read his rantings and be converted to the “Oh, I must get married right now to a man at least a decade older than me”? Because it seems to have escaped him that being screamed at and told you’re a slut and a spinster and a whore and all the rest of it, and that you’ll turn invisible when you hit thirty (if only … that could have its upside) doesn’t work. At least, it doesn’t work coming from some saddo on the internet who has no power over you.
(Being literally invisible and shrieking in Mikey’s ear at the supermarket would be fun, especially if he was carrying something fragile*.)
*apart from his ego, that is
Impotently could be good, ‘cos of its double meaning. MIkey certainly spends his time impotently screaming here, and that’s got no sexual meaning at all.
As funny as I’m finding his frustrated shrieking, the way he’s hitting on cupisnique is pretty creepy. She’s going to need a shower to wash off the slime soon.
“Supplying Pertinent Information,” so that it becomes Supplying Pertinent Information Never Stops Trolls Spouting Endless Repetitive Screeds.
And those of us that do, are not necessarily posting under our real or full names here, and have also locked down our privacy settings so that some random schmuck can’t actually pull down anything on us that we wouldn’t freely reveal here.
Yup, he’s definitely flailing. He can’t process the non-computing fact that some of us “SPINSTERS” are actually proud of our single blessedness, and wouldn’t trade it for any number of misery boots like him.
It is. As if he couldn’t get anymore transparent.
Sexist, racist, homophobic, angry, miserable, whining, egotistical, whopping sense of entitlement and creepy. What a catch!
Ban-worthy at this point?
ooh! good one, serrana!
That’s it, serrana, perfect!
My granny would call him an old miseryguts (so would my dad, actually). Wise granny says – avoid men who have nothing good to say about any of the women in their lives.
Especially when those women are imaginary!
It takes a special kind of miserable asshole to pick a fight with his imaginary friends.
So blockquote monster’s learned to stand on its head … interesting. :P
Is anyone else getting DK Meller flashbacks from this Michael asshole or is it just me? The sexism, the racism, the constant bragging about himself while showing what an awful person he is at every turn, the fixation on marriage. All he’s missing is the doll collection.
He’s basically Meller, the under 60 version.
He doesn’t call Meller to mind for me – less of the slimy patronising and outright weird stuff and more of the blatant rage and bleedin’ obvious claims to being Mr Rich Guy.
I think Meller could actually spell and construct sentences, too, couldn’t he?
I’m afraid to ask who Meller is, but from the general context, I have a fair idea of WHAT he is.
Bogeyman “proof” of the terrible future for many women re SPINSTERhood: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/
A navel gazing piece that goes on for apparently 5 boring pages (I couldn’t even last to the end of page 2), where she goes off seeking out people using a confirmation basis combined with anecdote method.
Oooooo really scary.
Let’s see, some of Meller’s finest ideas … killing off women except for a select few kept as sex slaves … his fixation on his porcelain doll collection … Basically Gor plus dolls, was Meller. He was a troll here a couple of years back.
DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
And another winner! DING DING DING DING!!!
You both get a shiny bronzed troll’s ass trophy. Well done!
@kittehserf
Meller did have his ragey outbursts, they were just rarer. I think Michael will turn into Meller when he gets older and Mellows out a bit (sorry).
Gakkk! :D