Is it love — or do they both just like spaghetti?
The charming Man Going His Own Way who calls himself Rex Patriarch has written up a short treatise entitled “Women Are Incapable of Love.” (He’s also posted a video by another MGTOWer making the same point, but we’ll just ignore that for now, because I didn’t bother to watch it.)
Anyway, here’s Rex’s argument, such as it is:
Look guys, women are like pets.
Do pets love you?
No, of course not but they do feel the warmth which is the love you may have for them. At a minimum you are their meal ticket. That in of itself is why they stick around.
Same same with women. As long as you are their meal ticket they “love” you but the very moment you can’t provide for them. The very moment they find a better deal, find some higher status.
Watch how fast that “love” goes out the window.
The reason being is it never was there to begin with. It was just something they were telling you to keep the goodies coming. Up until they could find something better. If they can.
The thing is men can love women all they want or none at all but don’t expect them to love you back in the same measure. They simply do not have the ability.
What’s interesting about this argument, insofar as anything about it is interesting, is that he’s not just, you know, wrong about women. He’s also wrong about pets.
Now, anyone who’s bonded with a pet certainly feels that their pet loves them back. (Or at least some pets do; I’m pretty sure the turtle my brother had as a kid didn’t really love anything other than worms.) Still, some skeptics insist that we’re just anthropomorphizing when we look at our pets and see love in their eyes.
But researchers are increasingly seeing harder-to-dismiss signs that animals may have emotions remarkably like our own — and that they can indeed feel love. By scanning the brains of dogs, Emory University neuroeconomics professor Gregory Berns has found that dogs and humans are alike in some key ways:
All in all, dogs and humans show striking similarities in the activity of an important brain region called the caudate nucleus. So, do dogs love us and miss us when we’re gone? The data strongly suggest they do. And, those data can further move humanity away from simplistic, reductionist, behaviorist explanations of animal behavior and animal emotions and also be used to protect dogs and other animals from being abused.
You can read more about his research, and what he sees as its implications, here.
More on animal emotions here and here.
You can also learn a lot about how animals — including the animals called humans — think and feel by just fucking paying attention to them and having a tiny bit of empathy. This is apparently a bit too much for some people to manage.
Oops, need to move this:
I know from type because I used to do journalism. I’ve done layout, and paste up. I’ve even set lead type.
Shaenon – Obviously, you would have to submit fully to him in a traditional womanly way, but even then it would be iffy.
Peculiar Pecunium, pop over to the thread I just commented in, we have an “I joined the military” attempt at GOTCHA.
And do you have typography suggestions for the Borg? You’re certainly better at it than I.
Is it weird that I think that makes you super cool? I fucking love typography.
@titianblue – I did think of Persuasion, but this conversation is unworthy of Austen. Or sensible people.
The height analogy is useless, unless you believe that men experience and express height in a different way from women.
Generalizations aren’t the problem here. I’m impressed that some of you have patience to slog through this nonsense, but I can’t take this reductive gender essentialism run wild. These studies (at best) reflect sensibilities of the people who were surveyed, and it’s questionable (at best) to apply this to “contemporary America”, much less to other cultures and historical periods.
That’s not what happened in this thread or any other thread, but the dozen exclamation points are a nice touch. You are LOL.
I haven’t completely caught up with this topic yet, but I’m putting Good and his, uh, friend Dana on a little time-out until they give me a good explanation as to why the two of them seem to be posting from the exact same location, why their email addresses are similar in form to one another, and why “Dana’s” email address is being used by someone with a male name elsewhere online.
I may post the explanation so you all can vote on whether or not I should accept the explanation or if this should be a permanant timeout.
MRAs: “We men are superior to women in every way. We even love you shallow bitches more than you love wonderful us!”
Well, I’m convinced. For shame, ladies. We do not appreciate their
narcissismdeep, deep love for us feeble wimmenz. *hangs head*LOL, LesserGood. Really? Sockpuppeting?
So Good is not only the worst arguer ever, but the worst sock-puppeter ever. WHO IS SURPRISED?
It was the only way he could get someone on his side. For shame not-so-good. For shame.
What? Good and Dana aren’t even 11km apart?
I vote the ban’s permanent. Boring is bad enough, but add sockpuppeting …
I really want to see the explanation though. XD
Wow, sockpuppet fail.
You know you’re losing when you resort to a freaking sockpuppet just to have someone be on your side.
RE: cloudiah
Since when has Good explained everything? You know he’ll just poop another link in the punchbowl and jet.
Also: good reason to make it permanent? Good/Dana’s so boring and I highly doubt ze’s arguing in good faith.
I’ve changed my mind. Good for troll of the year! I like watching people make asses of themselves in public.
There was a point in time when he wasn’t both of those things?
Also, this whole conversation amuses me. Is it even possible to come up with an argument that makes it more clear that your entire motivation for involvement in the MRM is that a woman dumped you than “women are incapable of love”?
I have a whole host of valid reasons, but I’m not going to give him ideas.
Perhaps the better question is if that IP matches any previous customers.
CassandraSays – “Women are all gold digging bitches?”
Oh wait, that’s basically a variation of the same point. NVM
Argenti – who was the contender for “Good is [past troll]’s sockpuppet” again?
Whenever a new troll shows up and acts as if they already have a grudge against everyone here I assume that it isn’t really their first visit, so it wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case with Good.
@ Alice
Pretty much every standard MRA complain seems to boil down to “a woman once hurt me, therefore all women are evil”, but in this case they’ve turned the obviousnessness dial up to 11.
Complaint.
Enh, I don’t care if Good never comes back. Dude is boring as pocket lint.
CassandraSays – I think the most pathetic excuse an MRA gave me for being an MRA was this:
(Paraphrased) “Once upon a time I was a feminist. Then one day I posted something on the Internet, and a woman told me that I was wrong! She insulted my manliness! That’s how I learned that women and feminism is EBIL, and hence I woke up and became an MRA.”
I’ve had pocket lint that was much more interesting than Good.
I wish I could find the quote – I think Virginia Woolf said it – asking some misogynist git if a pretty girl once laughed at him in his cradle. It applies to every MRA ever.
The funny thing, Dana was a better commenter than Good.
It was weak, but the attack was semi-legit. There was no reason Good couldn’t have made that comment himself.
Thing is, you could excuse some of this stuff if it was cried into a pint of ice cream in the immediate aftermath of a bad breakup. Lots of people go on “all (people of the same gender as the person who just dumped me) are evil! and they love torturing men/women, by which I mean me! woe is me, woe!” rants right after a breakup, but most people also get past that stage, realize that they were being silly and that breakups are, although sad, a thing that happens, and move on with their lives. The MRM seems like a giant online monument to not moving on a lot of the time.
@kittehserf: I lurk here occasionally but have rarely, if ever, commented. I definitely hadn’t seen the penguin yet. I feel thoroughly welcomed now! 🙂
I love Twelfth Night, but Orsino is quite the wanker.
@titianblue: That smackdown from Persuasion is relevant to so many internet arguments in which all evidence seems to be gleaned from movies and TV rather than real life.
@ augzz
That is funny! I guess that either it’s natural human behavior to act like that after a breakup, in an attempt to protect ourselves from future hurt, or the pattern is just so embedded into most cultures that people repeat it even when it’s obvious that it doesn’t fit.
I find that funny because I NEVER felt that — despite my rather shitty history. I guess because they weren’t MY boyfriends, just people other system members were dating and I got stuck with.
“Feminist shaming tactic”? Guess we know which MRM site you wandered in from.
“Sure, I may have said you don’t actually love your partners and that you’re probably not capable of doing so, but I don’t see why you’re taking it so personally”
Alas, I cannot even claim to have used it here. That honor(?) goes to Hyena Girl.
That’s a pretty good point, actually. They don’t think women are capable of love because the “love” they feel isn’t actually love.
Which is why I almost feel sorry for the OP: is he such an asshole that even his dog ran far, far away from him?
And now I see that Good is on moderation for socking – badly. Dude is such a dummy, I wonder if he’s not just a really good Poe.
j_bird – I like Twelfth Night too! I saw the BBC one with Felicity Kendal as Viola, Robert Hardy as Sir Toby and Alec McCowan as Malvolio.
… strewth, I’ve still got that on VHS.
Whoops! 😛
LBT – are you able to tune out when another member’s dating a meatspace person, like going to a different room, or is it like being forced along on their date as if you were an unwilling chaperone? That does not sound fun.
Needless to say, ignore this question if it’s too nosey!
THERE IS NO CONTEXT!!!!!
/Owly flashback 😛
😀
RE: Kittehs
LBT – are you able to tune out when another member’s dating a meatspace person, like going to a different room, or is it like being forced along on their date as if you were an unwilling chaperone? That does not sound fun.
We haven’t tested this enough to be sure. I’ve been riveted to the front so long now, I’m not sure I’d be able to pull back, and since I’m the damage-soaker for the system… well, let’s just say I got to experience the absolute WORST parts about being in a relationship with a creeper and a rapist, and got to skip all the good, which was dispensed to other system members. It sucked, and I’m kinda relieved that Mir hasn’t taken a fancy to anyone lately; I’m not sure I could get away.
@kittehserf: I have only seen the 1996 version with Imogen Stubbs, Toby Stephens, and Helena Bonham-Carter (and Ben Kingsley and Mel Smith!), but I will have to check out the version you mention.
That sucks majorly (on top of the fact having a rapist and creeper in one’s life sucks in any form), Rogan. I didn’t realise you were fronting generally; I thought it was just cos you’re the only one interested in MB, hence the person we get to talk to (does Miranda remember how embarrassed I was when I didn’t realise she was answering comments on the last Writeathon? Jeez, fail. 😀 )
Now that’s a cool cast!
So, the following things are misandry:
– women not wanting to have sex with you
– women refusing to date you
– women not thanking you for opening a door
– women not responding to your messages
– women correcting your mistakes
– women choosing to divorce you
– women being awarded custody because the dad’s a fucking douchebag
– women reporting rape
– women talking about rape
– women trying to stop rapes
– women having an opinion
– women cosplaying
– women playing video games
– women geeks
– women being happy and single, even at the age of 26
– women having her own job and making her own income
– women being dependent on your income because you didn’t want her to have her own job
– child support to help raise your kid
– women getting an education
– women voting
– mocking
– women studying for women’s studies/humanities majors
– STEM women
– male feminists
– hard chairs
– SCENTED. FUCKING. CANDLES.
– female penguins
– sarcasm
– satire
– asking for context
– asking for better sources
– reading your past works/comments
– logic
– reading comprehension
– the three dot ellipsis
– kitties
– cupcakes
– animals having feelings
– posters that make sense
– non-sucky logos
– labels that don’t bring to mind a cold and unfeeling AI about to kill us all
– being concise
– graphic design
– criticism
– [add more here]
This list is not exhaustive.
The Basilisk!
RE: Kittehs
Well, I didn’t USED to be so fucking glued up here. It’s not healthy for our system. Unfortunately, though, I was created to soak damage, and the past few years have sucked virulent donkey balls, so I’m the only one who can tolerate the stress.
Honestly, once I get us moved to Ohio and safe, I’m probably going to collapse and be submerged by our subconscious for a few days. I’m really, REALLY tired, and being swallowed by sapient black goo for a while sounds like a fucking vacation.
I am so sorry things have been shitty lately.
I hope you get a nice long vacation, and soon.
In the meantime, non-contact Jedi hugs!
🙁 That sucks Roger. I hope that you’ll be able to take a vacation soon.
*offers barrel of free hugs*
Rogan, I hope you get into a totally safe, sustainable living situation soon, and get yourself a vacation, of whatever sort you like.
The thing is, I only need to pull through till January. Then I’ll be safe and warm in an apartment I can totally afford with friends who I don’t need to lie to. It’s just until then. I can pull it. It’ll just suck.
(GAAAAAAH I WOULD KILL FOR FOUR WALLS AND A WINDOW.)
Hugs if you want them, Rogan. :< I hope you get decent housing soon.
Oh man, I just realized I misnamed you. I’m sorry! 🙁
Ahem. Interesting lint: http://slaterbarron.com
Rogan, if it isn’t presumptuous of me, I think the fact that you were created as the damage soaker and still managed to find your hubby and develop a happy relationship is wonderful. Sending good vibes your way.
Hadn’t Good been socking for a while already with that Greater Good shit? I can’t see IPs or e-mails or anything but that kind of seemed ham-handed and obvious. Unless I’m wrong, which is always a possibility.