The Daily Beast takes on the Men’s Rights movement — and takes down A Voice for Men’s John Hembling
Posted by David Futrelle

John Hembling, possibly lying about something
The bad publicity bonanza for Men’s Rights activists continues — and it couldn’t happen to a worse group of people.
Yesterday, the Daily Beast published a long-awaited piece on the Men’s Rights movement, and it’s a doozy. If you’re a regular reader of this site, trust me, you’ll want to read the whole thing, like now. The piece, by R. Tod Kelly, is long — some 6000 words — but worth it.
It’s mostly on the money, but with a few notable flaws.
Here’s what it gets right:
1) It captures the pervasive misogyny of the Men’s Rights movement in general, and of A Voice for Men in particular.
2) In an extended section, it profiles AVFM’s John Hembling, and tears apart some of his most blatant lies — including the now legendary box-cutter incident, in which Hembling claims to have stared down a mob of 20-30 feminists brandishing boxcutters.
As Kelly notes:
Vancouver police records show that there was indeed an altercation in September of 2012 between Hembling and others seeking to tear down men’s rights posters. However, according to the police, Hembling was arguing with two or three people, not being accosted by a “mob” of any size. When questioned by the authorities, neither Hembling nor witnesses mentioned seeing any weapons. …
Curiously enough, Hembling actually videotaped the events and had his AV4M Radio partner Karen Straughan post it online. The discussion with the police has been conveniently edited out, but the rest of the video clearly matches police records and not Hembling’s story. There are only a few young men taking down Hembling’s posters, and the video shows them choosing to ignore him except when he engages them in conversation. One of the men is seen using a box cutter to take down the flyers, but at no time does he use it as a weapon, raise his voice, or threaten Hembling in any way.
Kelly found some troubling, er, discrepancies in another story told by Hembling. Kelly writes:
According to Hembling, sometime around 1995 he was on his way home at 2:00 am after working a night shift when he came upon [a sexual] assault in progress. He says he used his steel-toed boots as weapons to chase off the perpetrator. When the victim was too distraught to speak with him, Hembling says he contacted the police, waited until they arrived, and then quietly left without speaking to them. He says they later tracked him down at his home, where he gave a statement.
It’s hard to know whether this event actually occurred or not. There is no record—at least, not in the Vancouver police files—of Hembling being a material witness to a rape, and police blotters from that time period do not show a crime that matches Hembling’s description. However, this does not necessarily mean the event did not occur. Vancouver police did not fully computerize their data until 2002, and it is possible the police never reported the incident. Hembling claims the incident took place at a specific hospital, where he says he worked as a contractor for 18 months. The address he gives, however, is for a different hospital in a completely different part of the city. This raises the curious question of whether Hembling forget the name of the hospital he contracted with for 18 months, or whether he forget what part of the city he worked in for that same period of time. The real truth of the matter is anyone’s guess, because Hembling wouldn’t comment to The Beast on that or any other matter.
In other words: Cool story, bro.
3) Another thing the story gets right: it makes clear just how little the Men’s Rights movement does to actually help men — and how in many ways it can actually be terribly damaging to men who need real help. As Kelly writes,
the movement’s radicals might … do … immediate damage to those who most desperately need the MRM to succeed.
“When we talk about recovery from trauma and abuse, there were two things that helped me,” says Chris Anderson, executive director of the male-victim advocacy group Male Survivor and a sexual abuse survivor himself. “The first was realizing that I’m not alone; the second was hearing that recovery was possible.” Anderson is quick to dissociate himself from the men’s rights movement: “In [the MRM] people get that first message, that they’re not alone. I don’t know that they ever get the second message. And when they don’t get that second message, it turns into an endless feedback loop and eventually they say, ‘Oh my God, all of society is f**ked.’”
Indeed, Kelly writes:
It is telling to note that of the professional male-victim advocacy organizations I spoke with, every single one specifically asked that I not allow readers to think they were in any way related to the MRM.
But there are also some things that I think the article gets wrong.
1) I think it gives Men’s Rights activists way too much credit for their supposed good intentions. While there are some MRAs who do seem to be motivated at least in part by a sincere desire to help men, most of the MRAs I’ve encountered in the 3 years of doing this blog have clearly been motivated primarily by anger and hatred of feminists — and women in general. They don’t really seem to give a shit about doing anything to actually improve the lives of men — and the paucity of their accomplishments reflects this. In its relatively brief lifespan, AVFM has raised many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Has it set up any shelters or hotlines or helplines for men? Not a one.
2) It wildly exaggerates the importance of Hembling to the MRM – especially ironic given that Hembling has been more or less AWOL in recent months, producing only a few short videos and one article for AVFM.
3) It paints a picture of The Spearhead’s WF Price as a Men’s Rights “moderate.” Really? While it’s true that Price is not an AVFM-style hothead given to rants about “fucking your shit up,” his views are anything but moderate. This is a guy who thinks higher education is wasted on women, who blames the epidemic of rape in the armed forces on women, who celebrated one Mothers Day with a vicious transphobic rant, who once used the tragic death of a woman who’d just graduated from college to argue that “after 25, women are just wasting time.” He published posts on why women’s suffrage is a bad idea. Plus, have you met his commenters?
I was, however, kind of amazed to learn that Price is married … and to a feminist. No, really.
4) The article, while solidly researched, contains some small errors and simplifications that will no doubt give MRAs and others the excuse they need to dismiss the whole thing. Kelly refers to Reddit subreddits as Reddit “threads!” He refers to Matt Forney as an MRA! Oh no!
Still, whatever its flaws, this is an important piece, and one that tells a lot of truth about the Men’s Rights movement. Again — go read it!
Posted on October 20, 2013, in a voice for men, are these guys 12 years old?, johntheother, lying liars, misogyny, MRA and tagged a voice for men, antifeminism, daily beast, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, R. Tod Kelly. Bookmark the permalink. 1,986 Comments.








Btw, we both love watching the funny cat videos together. :)
Speaking of puppies, does anyone need to be swarmed by corgi puppies?
Compassion for male rape survivors, right there.
cloudiah – everyone needs to be swarmed by corgi puppies.
athywren – what happens when one is assimilated by the Furg
People might want to scroll back a page to see a comment from Price’s wife.
I’m imagining Charlton Heston running around yelling “Cottonelle is puppies!”
Cottonelle Green!
I know you guys have totally moved on, but I just want to draw attention to this:
Clearly he hasn’t met our friend Alex L, inspiration for the flower-shop comic…who now has his own website! If you’re missing Artistry Against Misandry, you can go admire his lovingly assembled all-HTML Web 1.0 design and his background images proudly displaying the white jaggies.
Good gods, he thinks that’s a strawman? When they treat “going on a date” as prostitution, and complain that women don’t automatically have sex with them after they’ve paid for dinner/coffee/a parking place?
Riiiight.
@cloudiah
Lip gloss is very personal. I love CO bigelow’s mint lipglosses, but a lot of folks don’t.
Anyway, thats my suggestion.
Hello, Bill’s wife. I’m going to assume for the moment that you are who you say you are, and given the length of your comment it seems likely, but we here at manboobz can’t really take that for granted since we occasionally get people commenting here who get their kicks from deceiving people about their identities.
In any case, when I read your comment the following really popped out at me:
Why do you think this? It strikes me, quite frankly, as delusional. Take a moment, if you would, to look at this article and read the comments in response to it.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/10/14/why-you-might-want-to-think-twice-about-sending-your-daughter-to-college/
Do you really think that the sentiments your husband expresses and the misogynistic community he fosters will have no effect on any woman’s or girl’s status or civil rights?
Do you really think that none of the men who read, participate in, and identify with the ideas expressed at WF Price’s site will go on to abuse a woman or deny his daughter life opportunities because he’s been steeped in such a hateful, reactionary stew?
What if just one father decides to withhold educational opportunities from his daughter because of The Spearhead? How would you feel then?
I don’t particularly care to criticize you. Your comment suggests, as I expected, that you put up a mental wall between the WF Price you experience and the WF Price who acts and has an effect on the world at large. Yes, lots of people do it. It’s not something I can understand very well, though, as someone who is merely bigoted—much less someone who actively seeks to affect the world for the worse—will very quickly start looking very ugly to me, no matter how good looking or funny they are.
Sorry, cloudiah, I can’t help. I wear matte lippy or use lip balm.
I’m a traditional Burt’s Bees person myself.
I quite like this one.
http://www.sephora.com/minted-rose-lip-balm-P164932?SKUID=956359&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=956359&om_mmc=Google{adtype}&_requestid=42976&cm_mmc=us_search-_-GG-_-{adtype}-_-{keyword}
Link borked.
http://www.beauty.com/rosebud-perfume-co-smiths-rosebud-salve/qxp191446?catid=298377
It’s amazing that this article was so even-handed, brought the issues underlying the ostensible reasons for the MRMs existence to the forefront, and completely legitimized the Men’s Rights Movement–
and they’re over there calling it a “hit piece” and, well, doing what MRAs do, which is show everyone how repugnant they are.
I mean, if this is how they take a mixed review that has a lot of positive points in their favor, I’m not so sure they’re in a fair fight, because obviously they have self-destructive tendencies. Maybe egalitarians need to take the reins from the MRAs before conditions for men actually DO become disparate. I’m sort of scared for my future, as a dood, BECAUSE of the MRM.
I’m old enough to remember gender-separate help wanted columns, with different jobs listed for men vs. women. I’m old enough to remember when it really was considered extraneous to send women to college, unless they came out of it with a better quality MRS degree than they would have otherwise. I can remember when women who brought the checkbook and went shopping for a major appliance alone would be told to come back and bring their husband. And when a married woman went into the hospital for a mastectomy, they would present her husband with the consent form. I can remember open ridicule and serious counseling for women who were “too intellectual.” I can remember when the average person was expected to believe in Freud’s theory of “penis envy.” I can remember being shooed away from math and science books in the library. I can remember job applications where women were expected to fill out forms with details about their menstrual cycle. I can remember when they showed us the film about “becoming women” and some boys later found out about it and ridiculed us. My grandmother remembered having to wash out her re-useable cloths and boys ridiculing her. When my grandmother was born, women still couldn’t vote. And when grandma and grandpa tried to sell their house and retire to California, the first buyers were a couple where the woman was a school teacher. But the mortgage company wouldn’t approve them, because the wife was still of childbearing age, and the bank was worried that she would get pregnant and thereby reduce the family’s income.
You better believe I take the MRA movement seriously.
I am so far behind but…
“I am glad that you had people around you who helped you through difficult times. Which makes it difficult to understand why people are hostile to the idea of helping men in general through difficult times.”
…who said I was a woman?
cloudiah: I hate lip gloss, so I’m no help there. I absolutely hate the way it feels.
I’d like to believe that post was from Price’s wife, but um. Yeah. The tall, broad shouldered thing sounded like a dude trying to write how he thinks a woman would describe a man.
Ms. Bill’s Wife, if you have to come here to try and make him look better, you might want to take a closer look at what you’ve married.
The Rosebud salve Cassandra recommended is very nice. If it’s a balm you want, the Fresh Sugar line is expensive but worth it.
@kittehserf – I know right? Every time I see an MRA talk about it, it sounds like they want boys to be able to run around the room punching other kids in face, while getting more attention than girls from teachers. Poor babies, school is so hard.
Also, I second Tulgey Logger on asking Bill’s Wife “what the hell.” Like Tulgey said, I’m really not interested in attacking you or anything, I just cannot understand how you’re cool being with someone who has said/written the things he’s said/written. The fact that you agree with his more reasonable points isn’t remarkable; I’m sure most people here would too. Surprise surprise, we’re not a bunch of man-haters. How that makes up for all his other “points” is beyond me. It seriously makes as much sense to me as a black person dating a white person who thinks blacks are inferior, but is still nice to the black partner, so it’s okay.
Again, I really am not interested in ruining your relationship, and I believe you when you say you’re a feminist. I’m just really, really, really confused.
By the way, clearly you agree with him on some MRM talking points, does he agree with any feminist views you have?
My grandmother was a math whiz, probably genius, but my great-grandfather didn’t “believe” in educating women.
scarettpipstrelle,
You and I must be the same generation. And I concur that, having come of age on the cusp of the second wave of feminism, I take the threat of the “new misogynists” quite seriously. Those of us who can remember, say, pre- Roe vs. Wade — we don’t take our rights for granted.
Speaking of otters – here is a beautiful otter in a pink tutu.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/102868974/otter-in-tutu-original-art-print-85×11
(I haven’t read the thread yet so you probably aren’t talking about otters. But whenever JohntheOtter is mentioned I am much more aware of other, better otters, so when I saw this I had to share.)
Tulgey, I believe in the strength of the rationality and freedoms of the Western society with regards to women’s status. Maybe things could change in distant future, but not anytime soon. If you ask me what I believe honestly, then, no, I don’t believe anybody can deny women and girls education in the West. First I’ll say that I believe in universal free higher education in small countries and don’t know if it would work in America, but this is what I believe – higher education should generally be cheap. Yes, the article is annoying, just like the voting articles, but frankly, which father will be so awful or dumb to deny his own daughter an education? Which father can legally do that? Aren’t there lots of women with college loans out there? Any girl can go ahead and take out a loan herself, without her father! Nobody’s going to ask for his permission. Frankly, I think it’s morally wrong to make your country’s children to go in debt just to get an education, but that’s how it goes here. I asked Bill whether he thinks his daughter should go to college and he believes the first priority will be to give his kids trades – both the girl and the boy. He also thinks that not all men should go to university, he believes only 20% of all people, both men and women, need higher academic education, most should be trained in trades. The sewing and baking reference he made almost made me laugh, because, even though intended as sexist, is so far from reality that I won’t even waste my energy to get angry over it.
Denying of education to women seems a very distant, hypothetical possibility. I don’t see it happening, same as I don’t see anyone trying to slacken domestic violence laws in America or denying women certain jobs. This is America.
For feminists, the most important thing right now is to keep the economic system stable and healthy – and healthy in the real sense of the word, as healthy fundamentals, without money printing. If the economy stays functional enough, nothing bad will happen for women. And even if the economy tanks, there will be plenty of white knights in America who will rush to assist women – trust me, there is more of them here than in Europe.
I saw this clearly in the last presidential election – both candidates competed in how women friendly they are.
That’s right, Strega – I can remember when nobody, nobody believed a rape victim. They would twist their minds in pretzels coming up with a theory of how it was really her fault and how she had secretly been a “dirty girl” all along. I can recall being warned as I got older, to stay close to home so I wouldn’t get “hurt” – and this was said in an extremely ominous tone, like it meant something way more than skinning my knees (which I did constantly).
Scarlett, as a European, I’ve always been puzzled why the US has always been so sexist. I was in shock when I learned that even as late as the 1970s women couldn’t hold certain jobs at the State department. This is when women in other countries already had flown into space. No fault divorce was only established here in the 70s, Europe had it in 1920s. It’s puzzling. So you do have a point.
However, as annoying the MRAs may sound, what percentage of the male population do they constitute? 1%, 5%…? Not enough to change the big picture. If things got dangerously close to that, millions of women and their friends would stand up. But above all – most men are not interested any more in having housewives, they want that and for the wife to work on top of it. Corporations scream for young women’s labor. To take women back to the old roles would mean a total overhaul of the current economy, including the high living standard and the comforts and services that everyone, including the men, enjoy. Not gonna happen any time soon.
In the meanwhile, the MRAs do have legitimate claims – such as custody, men’s health and longevity, boys’ education, and a few others maybe.
Ding ding ding! Just what I thought.
You claim to live in the US but seriously think there aren’t men out there whose daughters aren’t being homeschooled in such a fashion they won’t be able to get into college? Really? You claim to be a feminist but actually doubt the existence and harm of the sort of misogyny YOUR HUSBAND espouses?
Does his racism bother you at all?
I saw this clearly in the last presidential election – both candidates competed in how women friendly they are.
Riiight, because “folders full of women” is so women-friendly. Because Mormonism is so women-friendly. Because the party of denying abortion, denying contraception, “legitimate rape” and so on (none of which Mr Romney seems to have gone out of his way to say were unacceptable) is so women-friendly.
For someone claiming a high IQ, you’re doing a great job of looking like a fool – a wilfully-blinkered fool.
Blockquote fail: “I saw this clearly in the last presidential election – both candidates competed in how women friendly they are.” is Bill’s Wife talking.
hellkell, no, it is me who wrote it, I’m very visual and those things are very important to me.
balley, in real life he thinks women should work outside of home.
Yeah, they always couch this in terms that sound somewhat reasonable, until you turn over the rock and really look…then it’s nothing but slugs.
Bill’s Wife – All you’re saying is that you don’t believe the terrible things said will ever actually happen so it’s okay. This is weird to me. I don’t think there will ever be a race war that will result in a whites-only homeland, but I wouldn’t date a neo-nazi.
And this…
… makes me think that maybe you don’t realize how many people, self-identified MRA or not, are sexist. It’s not some funny little quirk, it’s an actual problem that has affected people’s lives.
I don’t think it is actually true that young students can take out federal loans if their parents refuse to fill out their part of the FAFSA: http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/parentsrefuse.phtml
They can get married or wait to turn 24, both of which make them “independent” students in the eyes of the federal government, which otherwise considers the burden of responsibility to pay for the college education of young people to fall on the family.
But yeah, if some sea change convinced guys like Price that educating his daughter is useless, then she faces a pretty serious disadvantage for education.
I can understand why Bill’s wife ignores his MRM stuff. It IS pretty much impotent ’cause they don’t even really themselves know what they want.
They want women to work! But not act like they work! Ha.
and seriously, what is people’s deal with money printing?? A growing population at home and foreign investors want to hold growing amounts of dollar-denominated assets; if the fed gov refuses to create them, don’t you get deflation?
For the same pay as men?
And what’s this “in real life” nonsense? You trying to tell us now he spends so much time on the Spearhead for the lulz? That he’s just a troll?
If that’s the case … why hasn’t it occurred to your high-IQ, totally not really misogynist despite all the shit he says husband how much harm he’s doing?
He says women are just wasting their time after 25. He says women shouldn’t get higher education. You really think that’s harmless? You really think that’s a joke, or just stupidity, or what? Or are you the special snowflake, like all those feMRAs who desperately try to fit in, to kowtow to the misogynists, stroking their egos until they find that they’ll be turned on just like any other woman the minute they dare disagree with the men?
Wait, what? How is this a feminist thing to say?
and hey, fwiw, my parents declined to get involved in getting me into college because, and I quote, “you’ll just get married and have babies anyway.”
So they sent me off to get married in the army. lol
I did manage to graduate college but not til I was 31. I’m not really complaining on my own account, but good grief, American society is hardly uniformly feminist.
Yes, funny how someone who’s all amaze at how sexist the US is then goes on to talk about white knights. I don’t think there’s much danger of No True Scotsmanning with this one. Really Bill’s Wife or not, this ain’t no feminist.
I never understood why “tall and broad shouldered” is what men think women like. Why is it never “nice eyes and a cute butt?” I like eyes and butts better than shoulders…
Bill’s Wife – Is… that it? That’s a good thing and all, but not very impressive.
“He’s a misogynist, but he’s not very effective at it” is not the most ringing endorsement of one’s life partner.
cloudiah: PREACH.
Yeah, I hate “tall and broad shouldered”. I do not like men who’re markedly taller than me, and the broad/squarish shoulders … eugh.
Speaking of shoulders, anyone heard of someone having a – well, an erogenous zone, on the curve of the shoulder?
I was going to say the exact same, katz.
Damn you, blockquote monster!
Kittehserf – You mean like by the neck? I’ve heard that before, definitely.
If only it were so easy that MRA views not being in the overwhelming majority rendered them harmless. Color me uneasy with Bill’s wife’s sanguine outlook.
yeah…I’m having doubts “Bill’s Wife” is who she claims to be.
and if you are, indeed, Bill’s Wife…seems like you’re rationalizing away his bigoted views. Has he told his daughter how he feels about women voting?
I wouldn’t get comfortable, the moment you’re comfortable is the moment your rights are taken. If I hadn’t found out about the manosphere 3 years ago, I wouldn’t have thought there was a threat to women’s rights. But knowing how many misogynist freaks out there like your hubby and his followers who think women should literally, get back in the kitchen and write essays and comments about it daily…well lets just say they’ve opened my eyes to how much one needs to remain vigilante. Just looking at the abortion issue in the US right now…yeah, this is America alright.
I hate using this cliche phrase, but wake the fuck up.
Erm, I just noticed something else that bugs me…
That… isn’t really a good thing.
Jesus. Good luck, Bill’s Wife. Hope it all works out for you.
“I don’t think it is actually true that young students can take out federal loans if their parents refuse to fill out their part of the FAFSA”
Yep. I used to joke that I should just get married, anyone want a sham marriage? Because my parents were ass about actually helping and I was actually sulf-sufficient and not claimed on their taxes or anything, but 21 = they have to pay before the gov’n will consider helping.
Now, their kids might be okay-ish for the same reason I was — my father had his head up his ass, but only I had to sign it and my mother mailed me what I needed. So assuming this is his wife, and she isn’t full of it, she can do the forms without him having any part of it.
No, on the outer curve – where the shoulder curves down to the arm. I know the neck one, too.
It’s been a while since I’ve experienced it, but I only seem to have one erogenous zone – the tips of a girlfriend’s fingers. I might just have ridiculously sensitive skin, though?
kittehserf, hmm, I guess I haven’t heard of it then! The human body is very weird.
@kitteserf – *raises hand, blushing*
Oh yeah, American politics are just so woman friendly. That’s how “she has a way to just shut down that whole process” and Sandra Fluke’s testimony (and the aftermath) occurred. There aren’t any “crisis pregnancy centers” that specifically advise against ever seeing a gyno that does abortions or using planned parenthood (things I discovered this morning — the local one had told my mother to ask her gyno is she does abortions, my pro-life mother was all “I like my gyno thank you very much”)…and I’ve gone to PP, and not for abortion.
Nawh, the anti-PP campaigns are cuz we hate STD testing, not because of abortion. That’s it, I’m sure!
Gosh, I’m having financial difficulties with my expensive taste in black truffle bon bons encrusted with diamonds. Where can I find these white knights? Do they all have albinism or a membership card? How does one recognize them? Can I just stand at the edge of a puddle, sighing and looking distressed, and wait for one to come along and toss his jacket in the puddle for me to step on?
Athywren, I has a confused – your erogenous zone is your girlfriend’s fingers? Or you mean anywhere is when it’s her fingers? (Okay, that’s a TMI question, ignore if you prefer!)
dustydeste – blush not, you’re in good company! (Not mine – speaking of TMI, I’m asking ‘cos Louis shared his memory of yesternight’s doings, and that was part of it: his shoulder was really, ahem, sensitive, and I’d never been aware of that, earthside. As in, not aware of it generally, and didn’t remember/know about him in particular.)
baileyrenee – yup, the human body is weird. And stays that way! :P
damselintech: just go sit in the street and cry. You get money, food, whatever you want.*
*to anyone who doesn’t know, that is what a past regular troll thought was all women had to do to get anything.
Surely it’s because of the evils of giving health advice to pregnant women who want to stay pregnant until they become not pregnant and level up into motherhood? You know how much those pro-lifers hate it when women carry their pregnancies to term, like the monsters they are!
ceebarks – So long as your parents cooperate and give you the documents you need, you could, theoretically, do it yourself. I just told my parents to give me copies of their W2s, and I file the entire FAFSA (student and parent portions) myself. I also know what my father’s PIN is (because I was the person who requested it on his behalf; parents do not do computers), so I can complete it on campus with very little imput from them. Then a few months later I get the IRS to fix their numbers using their retriever tool and I’m good.
I noticed that too. So the logic is “We’re not likely to go back to the exact same particular sort of oppression we had in the 1950s, so everything is okay?” Because if men expect their wives to work full-time and still do all the housework and childcare and they still treat women as lazy bonbon eaters, that sounds worse, actually. And it doesn’t sound like progress for women so much as men finding even more ways to take advantage of us.
Thanks for the tip, hellkell. I live 10 min outside a small town. Will that street do? Yeah, I’m sure that’s what Google maps is for, right?
Bill’s wife’s definition of being a feminist, and zir awareness of feminist issues, or political issues, or just stuff generally, seems … idiosyncratic, shall we say?
damselindetech: “Where can I find these white knights? Do they all have albinism or a membership card?”
::dies::
Well golly gosh gee!! taking care of children is actually WORK…who would have thought? Perhaps hubby would like to mention that to his lovely followers who frequently claim that superior men created civilization and invented everything while freeloading women just sat on their asses all day. Oh wait, I forgot that he’s espoused those same views himself in one way or another.
*bites her tongue…err…fingers* really finding it hard to be nice here….really really hard…
Boss: “I’ve got news for you about White Knights. They’re just chocolate-covered mint.”
katz – I want to be charitable and say that what was meant was that women should take their share of their housework and the men should do their share (as in maybe he does the dishes while she sweeps the floor), even if she has her full time job.
But I don’t know.
Quackers! Don’t be biting that tongue or those fingers, let ‘er rip!
Athywren — my mother wants to know if she’ll level up again, and as grand kids are unlikely, I want to know if fish babies count (if so she’s a great-great-grandmother, the mother of my fry is the child of one of the cories downstairs [yep, I have grandbaby fishies!])
Nah, I’ve been single for the last three years, how could it possibly be TMI? :P
It’s the latter. There’s only one place that I’m aware of that isn’t absolute bliss to have skin-based contact with a loved one, and that’s where I’ve got a little skin tag/mole thingie on my back that seemingly has no nerves in it. Others may exist, but I just haven’t been prodded there yet to know it.
Mmm chocolate covered mint!
…okay, my mind is really in the gutter today, I’m gonna shut up before I eat my foot.