The Daily Beast takes on the Men’s Rights movement — and takes down A Voice for Men’s John Hembling
Posted by David Futrelle

John Hembling, possibly lying about something
The bad publicity bonanza for Men’s Rights activists continues — and it couldn’t happen to a worse group of people.
Yesterday, the Daily Beast published a long-awaited piece on the Men’s Rights movement, and it’s a doozy. If you’re a regular reader of this site, trust me, you’ll want to read the whole thing, like now. The piece, by R. Tod Kelly, is long — some 6000 words — but worth it.
It’s mostly on the money, but with a few notable flaws.
Here’s what it gets right:
1) It captures the pervasive misogyny of the Men’s Rights movement in general, and of A Voice for Men in particular.
2) In an extended section, it profiles AVFM’s John Hembling, and tears apart some of his most blatant lies — including the now legendary box-cutter incident, in which Hembling claims to have stared down a mob of 20-30 feminists brandishing boxcutters.
As Kelly notes:
Vancouver police records show that there was indeed an altercation in September of 2012 between Hembling and others seeking to tear down men’s rights posters. However, according to the police, Hembling was arguing with two or three people, not being accosted by a “mob” of any size. When questioned by the authorities, neither Hembling nor witnesses mentioned seeing any weapons. …
Curiously enough, Hembling actually videotaped the events and had his AV4M Radio partner Karen Straughan post it online. The discussion with the police has been conveniently edited out, but the rest of the video clearly matches police records and not Hembling’s story. There are only a few young men taking down Hembling’s posters, and the video shows them choosing to ignore him except when he engages them in conversation. One of the men is seen using a box cutter to take down the flyers, but at no time does he use it as a weapon, raise his voice, or threaten Hembling in any way.
Kelly found some troubling, er, discrepancies in another story told by Hembling. Kelly writes:
According to Hembling, sometime around 1995 he was on his way home at 2:00 am after working a night shift when he came upon [a sexual] assault in progress. He says he used his steel-toed boots as weapons to chase off the perpetrator. When the victim was too distraught to speak with him, Hembling says he contacted the police, waited until they arrived, and then quietly left without speaking to them. He says they later tracked him down at his home, where he gave a statement.
It’s hard to know whether this event actually occurred or not. There is no record—at least, not in the Vancouver police files—of Hembling being a material witness to a rape, and police blotters from that time period do not show a crime that matches Hembling’s description. However, this does not necessarily mean the event did not occur. Vancouver police did not fully computerize their data until 2002, and it is possible the police never reported the incident. Hembling claims the incident took place at a specific hospital, where he says he worked as a contractor for 18 months. The address he gives, however, is for a different hospital in a completely different part of the city. This raises the curious question of whether Hembling forget the name of the hospital he contracted with for 18 months, or whether he forget what part of the city he worked in for that same period of time. The real truth of the matter is anyone’s guess, because Hembling wouldn’t comment to The Beast on that or any other matter.
In other words: Cool story, bro.
3) Another thing the story gets right: it makes clear just how little the Men’s Rights movement does to actually help men — and how in many ways it can actually be terribly damaging to men who need real help. As Kelly writes,
the movement’s radicals might … do … immediate damage to those who most desperately need the MRM to succeed.
“When we talk about recovery from trauma and abuse, there were two things that helped me,” says Chris Anderson, executive director of the male-victim advocacy group Male Survivor and a sexual abuse survivor himself. “The first was realizing that I’m not alone; the second was hearing that recovery was possible.” Anderson is quick to dissociate himself from the men’s rights movement: “In [the MRM] people get that first message, that they’re not alone. I don’t know that they ever get the second message. And when they don’t get that second message, it turns into an endless feedback loop and eventually they say, ‘Oh my God, all of society is f**ked.’”
Indeed, Kelly writes:
It is telling to note that of the professional male-victim advocacy organizations I spoke with, every single one specifically asked that I not allow readers to think they were in any way related to the MRM.
But there are also some things that I think the article gets wrong.
1) I think it gives Men’s Rights activists way too much credit for their supposed good intentions. While there are some MRAs who do seem to be motivated at least in part by a sincere desire to help men, most of the MRAs I’ve encountered in the 3 years of doing this blog have clearly been motivated primarily by anger and hatred of feminists — and women in general. They don’t really seem to give a shit about doing anything to actually improve the lives of men — and the paucity of their accomplishments reflects this. In its relatively brief lifespan, AVFM has raised many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Has it set up any shelters or hotlines or helplines for men? Not a one.
2) It wildly exaggerates the importance of Hembling to the MRM – especially ironic given that Hembling has been more or less AWOL in recent months, producing only a few short videos and one article for AVFM.
3) It paints a picture of The Spearhead’s WF Price as a Men’s Rights “moderate.” Really? While it’s true that Price is not an AVFM-style hothead given to rants about “fucking your shit up,” his views are anything but moderate. This is a guy who thinks higher education is wasted on women, who blames the epidemic of rape in the armed forces on women, who celebrated one Mothers Day with a vicious transphobic rant, who once used the tragic death of a woman who’d just graduated from college to argue that “after 25, women are just wasting time.” He published posts on why women’s suffrage is a bad idea. Plus, have you met his commenters?
I was, however, kind of amazed to learn that Price is married … and to a feminist. No, really.
4) The article, while solidly researched, contains some small errors and simplifications that will no doubt give MRAs and others the excuse they need to dismiss the whole thing. Kelly refers to Reddit subreddits as Reddit “threads!” He refers to Matt Forney as an MRA! Oh no!
Still, whatever its flaws, this is an important piece, and one that tells a lot of truth about the Men’s Rights movement. Again — go read it!
Posted on October 20, 2013, in a voice for men, are these guys 12 years old?, johntheother, lying liars, misogyny, MRA and tagged a voice for men, antifeminism, daily beast, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, R. Tod Kelly. Bookmark the permalink. 1,986 Comments.








Then do you care to explain what the hell you actually meant, “genius”? What “baby-killers” are you referring to? And seriously, what the fuck does any of that have to do with anything else that was being discussed? Not that I actually think you’re able to stay on track, it’s obvious you aren’t because you can’t defend any of your bullshit, you just keep shifting from one word salad generated topic to the next, but I’m curious, was there even a connection at all in there?
This whole “you aren’t real feminists” thing is just adorable. Hostile thinks it’ll offend us, like we haven’t heard it all before.
And on that note, it’s EA o’clock!
@inurashii
Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll keep it in mind :) (Sounds yummy).
@ahostileworld
I literally have no idea what to make of this. ahostileworld, please explain to me how recalling how words have been used before is ‘pseudo feminism’.
@Argenti Aertheri
Goya’s mango juice. I’ll try to remember (sorry, just writing things down helps me so…hopefully I’m not being to weird. At least I make more sense than ahostileworld, the most-est awesome-est feminist in the world.*)
*sarcasm. Duh.
Not weird at all!
Love the way it tries to pretend it’s being attacked for it’s nationality, oh precious!
P.S. Hostilewanks, even if that were true, YOU’RE NOT FUCKING GERMAN!
Seriously. Being told I’m not a “real feminist” by an anti-feminist asshole MRA apologist? Oh noes! Whatever shall I do? /sarcasm
@Marie, I’m not a fan of mangoes personally. The flavor is… I dunno, unexpected to me I guess. I have coworkers who LOOOOOVE it though.
@ophelia
Oh, so that’s what he was trying to do. It was very hard to tell :/
Your points of reference are clearly adjusted to and aligned with the pro-life position. Personally, I cannot see how this will reasonably harmonise with any feminist position. Unlike you, I have always been of the opinion that a woman should have the right to choose.
(Btw, if this offshoot of the obesity acceptance movement in the west, that likes to decorate itself with the term ‘feminist’, because women in Asia and Northern Africa are doing really admirable activist work, wishes to use and abuse other people’s names, it is not they who should in any way feel offended when somebody comes along and points it out. The real offence happened much much earlier than that)
@ ophiliamonarch, please stop it. I am not saying that I am particularly proud of my nationality, but I am what I am.
Asshole McGee: 4. Yes. An ‘adjustment’ was *made*. A.k.a. goalpost shifting.
Liar.
You asked for clarification. You got it. You didn’t like it. You pretended it was moving goalposts.
Btw, what would a ‘feminist’ like yourself say about someone who attacked someone for their nationality? Would you call them a hypocrite?
What does feminism have to do with it?
But, since you ask, I didn’t attack you for your, putative, nationality. I questioned your underlying veracity. No hypocrisy involved. You implied (when you said, you ought rather have used, “sheila”) that you were Australian.* You then announced you were German.
To date you have done nothing (other than simple assertion) to make me think any of your claims (actual, or implicatory) about your place of origin, or location, are true. Your underlying lack of consistency, your incredible interest in an issue which is primarily UK in origin and impact cause me to think (as in other areas, otherwise addressed) you are being a tad mendacious. If not, well it’s your bed. You pissed in it, and you get to lie in it.
Genius, I used the word ‘baby’, not ‘fetus’. That avalanche of faux-indignant verbal diarrhoeia was completely unwarranted, and quite frankly, it scared me a little.
Are you do delicate a flower as all that?
But since the list of requested clarifications included only one about abortion, and a host about how children in general are treated, your claim to it failing to take you as read… lies.
*BTW, you never did explain why you are so well versed in the ways of Strategy and Tactics that we ought to take your word as dispositive on the effect of indiscriminate bombing of non-military targets; nor your fatuous claim that such bombing was strongly effective in the Allied Victory [placing it above the loss of Manpower, materiel in N. Africa, the diversion of divisions to France in response to the Normandy Invasion) the wasted efforts in things like the V-Weapons, the Bf 163 Komet, pushing the Panther into production too quickly [and field testing it in combat], trying to two more completely new MBTs (the Tiger/King Tiger), and so having three production lines; with concommitant drains on resources, and teething problems, rather than taking a functional design, ramping up production, and working on a single replacement to cope with the T-34. Etc.
Are we to assume you are retired from the General Staff of the Bundeswehr? Or just another armchair general with no real experience and a false sense of competence?
@ahostileworld
Citation needed, troll. Because realizing pro-lifers often call fetuses babies does not mean we agree, just that we are capable of understanding the context/meaning other in which people use words.
Seriously? Well, yippee for you. Now try to actually follow what everyone else is saying, bub. There are no disagreements here.
Also, can anyone understand his second paragraph. Because my troll-to-english translator isn’t working. Something about how obesity acceptance isn’t feminist, because aparently women aren’t held to a much higher standard of thin-ness than men?
Pecunium, you are talking to the wrong guy. The ‘sheila’ kerfuffle centred around another user, not me. You are so blinded by hatred, you don’t know in which direction to kick and spit anymore.
McGee: Your points of reference are clearly adjusted to and aligned with the pro-life position. Personally, I cannot see how this will reasonably harmonise with any feminist position. Unlike you, I have always been of the opinion that a woman should have the right to choose.
This raises the bar for intentionally obtuse: You were being asked if you were making a reference in support of a pro-life position.
To pretend this was a defense of a pro-life position on the part of your interlocutor; while ignoring all the other questions about how children are treated is precious.
Stupid, pointless, and counterproductive of any actual likelihood of persuasion (much as the stunts by F4J, so perhaps consistent), but precious.
Tell me, did you take classes to be this inane, or is it native talent?
*BTW, you never did explain why you are so well versed in the ways of Strategy and Tactics that we ought to take your word as dispositive on the effect of indiscriminate bombing of non-military targets; nor your fatuous claim that such bombing was strongly effective in the Allied Victory [placing it above the loss of Manpower, materiel in N. Africa, the diversion of divisions to France in response to the Normandy Invasion) the wasted efforts in things like the V-Weapons, the Bf 163 Komet, pushing the Panther into production too quickly [and field testing it in combat], trying to two more completely new MBTs (the Tiger/King Tiger), and so having three production lines; with concommitant drains on resources, and teething problems, rather than taking a functional design, ramping up production, and working on a single replacement to cope with the T-34. Etc.
@Hostilitymagnet,
No, YOU, stop, seriously, you’re killing me….can’t…..breath….laughing…..too….hard….
Also, ophEliamonarch, pffft, spelling AGAIN!
It’s not as if you were German or something!
McGee: Pecunium, you are talking to the wrong guy. The ‘sheila’ kerfuffle centred around another user, not me. You are so blinded by hatred, you don’t know in which direction to kick and spit anymore.
Then I made a mistake. Understandable, all in all; it’s not that I am blinded by hate (don’t give yourself airs), but that after a couple of thousand words, and ten pages of obfuscatory blather, one loses some of the sense of difference from one asshole to the next.
Pecunium’s kicking and spitting? News to me!
And we’re pro-life, best part of that? He’s playing GOTCHA, since pro-lifers think we’re, wait for it, baby killers.
I feel weird, just quoting ahostileworld’s comments and then laughing at them, but this one is just cracking me up right now XD I’m not even sure why..
It’ stage idea of pecunium being blinded by hatred and kicking and spitting. I just can’t even picture that.
I can picture him debating if he should go spin and get back to troll later (you finish that batch from when I was there? And how’re my baby plants doing?)
*it’s the idea
Autocorrect hates me.
Hey Marie :). I’ve never eaten mango either, or dragon fruit.
Is speaking troll like speaking in tongues? ’cause I’ve heard speaking in tongues is the same as being possessed by Satan.
On second thoughts, speaking troll/speaking in tongues, definitely the same thing!
Is ahostiledipshit now Boss Feminist? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that’s fucking cute.
Yes. I may be on the the second skein after that. I do need to take that one to the post office, and I ought to see if the new burger place is any good (opened yesterday, at the corner; where the Greek place used to be).
Have to keep the old engine of rage and hatred going; don’t want to wear myself out with the kicking and spitting.
@ophelia
I don’t know. Speaking in troll may be harder to understand… :P
I literally can’t even sort out which fake shitty arguments hostiley is even trying to make any more. There is no cause and effect to them.
Um, no. I responded to you in the way I would respond to any anti-choice rhetoric, which is very much what your “babies” comment sounded like. Obviously, that was not an unjust interpretation since I was not the only one who interpreted that way.
If you’re assuming I’m “pro-life” because I responded to “babies” the way you’d think I should respond to “fetus” that’s absurd because:
1) See above
2) I find the fetus/baby debate in regards to abortion irrelevant as I’m sure you do, since you’re such a pro-choice advocate. For me, and I’m sure you’ve heard this before, it’s irrelevant whether the thing/person using someone else’s body against their will is legitimately “alive”, what is relevant is that it is using someone’s body against their will. I often liken it to organ transplants. You can’t legally force someone to donate a kidney, you shouldn’t legally be able to force someone to donate their uterus* either.
Would you care to explain to me at what point I ever said anyone shouldn’t have that right? Unless you interpreted
as “we should limit reproductive choices”?
You are really going off the deep end here. Be careful, you went in without the swimmies.
Has this guy hit Troll Bingo yet? There goes the “you aren’t real feminists because you aren’t being treated even worse in another country with brown people in it” space.
*Or time or health or possibly life, etc.
A little bright spark here for those living in the night: it’s called a fetus when it’s still in, it’s called a baby when it’s out. Aborting a fetus: a fundamental right, as nobody can be forced to keep another person inside their body. Killing /abusing/starving a baby/child: not cool. Go to gaol.
This guy kinda defeated his original point that most MRAs aren’t raging idiots who care about trivial issues. Pretty standard MRA. Starts apologizing for all the “radical” MRAs, then turns into a raging asshole when you ask their opinion on very basic things.
hostiley, how in the hell are you choosing the one thing you DON’T have to explain to this pro-choice group of people to explain?
Your bizarre word salad is the reason we thought you were pro-life. What we’re asking is “Why is the killing of born children even germane to this discussion?”
You’re replying with “No, born children. BORN children. You are all pro-life for some reason.”
This thread is still going?
1) Mangoes are slimy and unpleasant. Pecunium is correct, they should be shunned.
2) Shout-out to my fellow Latvian. (Thenatfantastic I think. This thread is really long.)
3) Loved The World’s End and the soundtrack is a time machine. I own that Soup Dragons record!
4) Valerie Keefe shills for the MRM every chance she gets by repeating the same few talking points ad infinitum. She even threw in my fave, her claim that pregnancy’s “physical risk is lower than that of taking low-dose aspirin for a year”. Keefe stands out as one of the most annoying “columnists” on HuffPost, which is an achievement since HuffPost is a giant annoyance in itself.
Tales of glowing vomit, WW2 military geek talk and a surprise visit from WTF Price… this is one hell of a thread.
Okay, ‘gaol’, definitely fucking British!
God fucking damn it…
@ahostileworld
Do you know what reading comprehension is? We know it’s called a fetus when it’s inside, it’s just that anti choicers still call it a baby, so we responded to what you said as if you were an anti choicer because 1)other wise what you said didn’t make sense and 2) you’re a huge fucking misogynist,why would we suspect anything else from you?
I am not so sure. Having examined and analysed this group for several years of beinb a boobz-fan, I have come to the conclusion that the word ‘feminism’ is used and abused as a sort of fashion accessory around these parts. From time to time, somebody comes along and scratches the surface. Beneath the ‘feminism’ of this group? – Rank, rancid traditionalism, infantilisation and and endless stream of obfuscation, fearmongering and in-group out-group mentality cultivation of the most absurdly incestuous nature. So your claim that this group does not need any fundamental feminist ideas explained to them begs the question somewhat.
If we’re not feminist enough for you, feel free to fuck off. Door’s thataway, don’t let hit ya where the good lord split ya.
@ahostileworld
here, I found a thing for you.
In seriousness, the fact that you claim to be a feminist but don’t think we live in a rape culture says way more about you than us.
Also, please state your definition of feminism. I think it will be very interesting.
McGee: Gaol? Not the standard spelling for Germans who learn English (barring those who end up in a Public School), because the vast majority of texts (from which spelling is learned) are geared to the dominant market paradigm, which is american english. I’d been noting your use of the terminal ise, but this is less indicative than something like draught, plough, gaol would be.
Also, in case this direct question slipped your mind:
You never did explain why you are so well versed in the ways of Strategy and Tactics that we ought to take your word as dispositive on the effect of indiscriminate bombing of non-military targets; nor your fatuous claim that such bombing was strongly effective in the Allied Victory [placing it above the loss of Manpower, materiel in N. Africa, the diversion of divisions to France in response to the Normandy Invasion) the wasted efforts in things like the V-Weapons, the Bf 163 Komet, pushing the Panther into production too quickly [and field testing it in combat], trying to two more completely new MBTs (the Tiger/King Tiger), and so having three production lines; with concommitant drains on resources, and teething problems, rather than taking a functional design, ramping up production, and working on a single replacement to cope with the T-34. Etc.
ahostileworld, listen.
You bring nothing to the table.
Nothing.
Your jabs about the quality of our feminism have not found purchase. We are not deeply wounded or affected. Our confidence is not damaged. You have been a diversion, not an adversary. We are not worried about driving people like you away from the site. You are not painting a concerning picture for us.
I sincerely hope that your time here has been entertaining or educational for you, because if you had any other goal, it has not been accomplished.
You bring nothing to the table.
Wow. I can’t even be sarcastic. I’m laughing too hard.
D’awww, Asshole McGee is playing No True Feminist? That’s so cute!
I am not so sure. Having examined and analysed this group for several years of beinb a boobz-fan, I have come to the conclusion that the word ‘feminism’ is used and abused as a sort of fashion accessory around these parts. From time to time, somebody comes along and scratches the surface. Beneath the ‘feminism’ of this group? – Rank, rancid traditionalism, infantilisation and and endless stream of obfuscation, fearmongering and in-group out-group mentality cultivation of the most absurdly incestuous nature. So your claim that this group does not need any fundamental feminist ideas explained to them begs the question somewhat.
What question?
NB, you mean, “demands the question/leads to the question of”. begging the question requires 1: a formal argument be made, 2: that one of the Premises contains the Conclusion. This is quite common in debates where someone has an almost religious belief in the position they are trying to defend.
But, since you have obviously been lurking (or perhaps posting under another nym… there does seem to be some emotional baggage on your part) for quite some time, you really ought to be better versed in how your attempts to duck questions, shift goalposts (I almost typoed that as gaolposts; but you aren’t in jail, save the one caused by your blinkered thinking), and otherwise “win” by, “scoring points” wasn’t going to go well.
Because to pull that off, you need to have a plan, with an end game. You have to use evidence, consistent arguments and coherent reasoning. You need to know when to use insult, and have some idea of what insult will be effective.
You are, rather, using the poo-flinger strategy; throwing it all against the wall, and seeing what sticks. That’s ok for performance art in low-rent bohemian coffeehouses, but in the real world leads to the futile display you’ve put on view here.
I have to say, all in all, I’m glad you on the the side of the MRM.
You don’t know Germany. We learn British English in our schools, especially in the north of the country, where the British soldiers used to be.
As for the talk shop about WW2, you are now trying to divorce the Allied victory from the bombing campaign. Absurdly enough, you mention ‘loss of manpower’ that incurred Germany’ eventual defeat. May I ask who lived in those cities? People perhaps?? Who provided…manpower???
I know it’s a bit of *gendered* term, but the women who lived in those cities were as much a part of the German war effort as the men, who were out in Eastern Europe, murdering Jewish people and Russian people. While their husbands and brothers were doing the killing, back home, they were keeping the German economy going and, perhaps more egregiously, they prepped the young, indoctrinating with a steady stream of anti-semitism and jingoism hatred of Russians, of British people, of everyone who was not German, thus creating a new generation of people that may very well have terrorised Europe and the rest of the world once more, had the Allies not intervened the way they did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_sexism
Obvious response is obvious. Have to wonder why not obvious to Rose Maskington? Almost as if wilfully ignorant of social concepts… (and same to hostile pants)
C*nt drumming sounds… interesting. But how do you amplify it?
Also, interesting fact. Manboobz is blocked at my local library, because porn. Silly library. AronRa’s latest blog on FTB was blocked as well, for intolrance. It’s a funny system they’ve got going on down there.
And on the topic of booze, is a Pink Pugsley a thing outside of the city that knows no h’s? Now there’s a proper sickly drink. It has booze and booze and booze (I forget which ones… possible rum?) and strawberry milkshake… but I always drank the thing that came with the jelly worm, which had the name I don’t remember.
Snrk! Yeah, kitteh, you’ve been a good little boy. Aren’t you proud of yourself for trying to comprehend the female experience? :P
rofl
Oh, that’s beautiful. <3
I really don’t understand that mentality. I’m not sure that being n/a is the same as being trans* but I know I’ve never felt any particular hatred for my body or birth gender… it just doesn’t quite fit right. It’s like jeans that are a bit too loose more than being ugly and hated.
Sometimes you’re just don’t quite fit yourself. It’s not about societal pressure or self-hatred. Stupid terfs.
Do you mean that Final Nights lacks them? I think they’re just shuffled around a bit, put into different locations for reasons that I don’t remember.
More importantly though, yay fishies!
So? Are you so unaware of the arguments around abortion that you don’t know that anti-choicers* almost always use the word ‘baby,’ or ‘child,’ and never ‘fetus’ for emotionally manipulative reasons? How is that possible?
*No, I don’t call them anti-choicers to be contrary. I call them that because criminalising abortion and birth control leads to higher rates of abortion.
Memory is misandry.
Uh huh… but how physically risky is it to take a blood thinner for a year?
Yeah. These sort of tactics work on individuals who are uncertain of how their views fit into the categories being mentioned and who lack the confidence to assert themselves. Attempting this kind of thing on a large group of fairly confident and informed people seems foolish to me. You’re a good laugh, though, I’ll give you that.
Anyway, time to cap off this wall o’ text…
@ahostileworld
No, why won’t you give me your amazing definition of feminism? :( I must know how I’m doing it wrong.
Destroy a house and kill its inhabitants, and you perhaps reduce the effective workforce by six or seven. Destroy a factory and you reduce the effective workforce by hundreds – workers with nowhere to work are just as useless as dead workers.
My arse hostility!
The modern teaching is ‘Jail’, only pretentious Brits use the Olde fucking English, and you are definitely pretentious! (and British!)
Just out of curiosity, how should I go about proving it to you (if I could be bothered)?
@ahostileworld
Proving what?
@Athywren :). With feminism of course! Although that might be a bit shrill…
My nationality. This ophelia individual has been sniffing around it for I don’t know how long.
@ahostileworld
Not sure/ don’t care, your nationality is pretty low on my list of concerns.
PS: if you’re so much more feminist than the rest of us, can I hear your definition of feminism/ what you think it is.
Marie, I use the dictionary definition of feminism, which is equality for women. Equal means equal. Which means that conversely, men are equal to women. In my world I should like to extend this by saying that children should be seen as equal to men and women.
“fearmongering and in-group out-group mentality cultivation of the most absurdly incestuous nature.”
Wait… Incest? We’re… Family? And we’re… Having sex?
@ahostileworld
And what have we done that implies we think that men and/or children are less than women?
@auggz
Hey, it’s news to me too ;)
ahostileworld: Seriously, I’m confused, what the hell is your point?
Apparently we’re not feminist enough for you. According to you, we engage in:
So why are you still here?
Pecunium — good to hear, I knew you wanted your spinning wheel back. You solve your spindle problem?
Athywren — yeah, but I have inspection ten and fucking scoured the place and I can’ tinder basic things like the galdjum. Not in the warrens (though I haven’t checked since inspection ~7, not in my haven, nowhere that I can find it)
Salubri save on Tin Can Bill and uh, Paul the ghoul’s girlfriend, I don’t remember her name. And I’m not nearly as squishy as I though, blasted through the Society last night.
Hostility, I think you should hop on one leg with one eye closed singing ‘das Deutschlandlied’ all the time examining why you feel the need to troll sites and tell people how they are doing feminism wrong.
Shit…I’m sure I could have worked a mango into that somehow…oh, wait…
Yep. That’s why we’re opposed to groups which oppose equality and do nothing at all to help men, despite naming themselves in such a way to imply that it’s all they do.
I don’t see why you think opposing anti-equality groups is a bar to being in favour of equality?
Well, no, I do see why an MRA would see it as a bar, but I don’t see any rational or factually consistent reason to see it as a bar.
Feminismus ist die Antwort, doch was ist die Frage?
New question for ahostileworld:
If you’re such a feminist, why do you think we aren’t living in a rape culture?
bonus:
Why are you a feminist when earlier you said you though feminist and mras were equally ridiculous? Are you also an mra?
Oh look it did GCSE German! And it’s trying to be deep, aw cute!
Also, I’m going on about it ’cause your comments are so inane and because it pisses you off.
Trolling is the problem, trolling is the answer!
And also… Fuck it. I’m embarrassed for him. I can’t do this.
I think some vanilla occult items might be for sale in the White Cloud? Maybe check there? Otherwise… I dunno look down the back of the sofa?
I’ve read about new occult items being introduced, but I don’t remember reading anything about the original dealies being removed.
Because I am also an atheist. I do not believe in things that are invisible, undetectable, and which have been invented to create fear, alarmism and panic, and which have a religious following of people who appear to think that the mere fact that they believe in it somehow proves its existence.
Hey, that’s a first, I’ve just been called a good BOY.
:D
As to the rest, I shall just quote Pecunium:
Suffer in your jocks, little loser.
Excuse me but what is a ‘GCSE’?
Yawn. The trolls on MBZ have really dropped in quality. One might say this world has been hostile to them…
This one is much more boring than the French Canadian (some species of) Orthodox Marxist who has been arguing on a large coalition against hate radio’s FB page that I’m subscribed to that gender theory, GQ/trans* stuff, rape culture and fat acceptance are a petit bourgeois anarchist lifestylist entryist plot to discredit the Serious Left.
Look, if you can use google translate you can google ‘GCSE’.
That’s not even atheism…
Market forces. Also fictional?