The Freak-Out Artist: Julian from Real Social Dynamics takes gaslighting to a new level
I’ve read and watched and listened to a lot of creepy pickup artist crap over the past few years while writing this blog, but in some ways this little video, from PUA “coach” Julian of Real Social Dynamics, one of the bigger and better known of the commercial “game” marketers, may well be the creepiest. Essentially, Julian provides tips to young men on how to “get” the girl of their dreams by temporarily driving her out of her mind.
No, really: he recommends that men overwhelm their female targets with confusing and contradictory stimuli to throw them so off-balance they’ll reflexively turn to their mental tormenters for support (and, maybe later, reward them with sex). This isn’t pick-up artistry so much as freak-out artistry.
The one thing about this video that is vaguely reassuring is that Julian’s examples of his technique in action are so crude and hamhanded I seriously doubt they’d actually work on anyone “in field,” as the PUAs like to say. What’s not so reassuring is that anyone would actually come up with something this predatory and perverse in the first place. Also, you know that at least a few of the video’s 32,000 viewers have actually tried out this technique on annoyed and bewildered women around the world. The world doesn’t really need any new ways for dudes to be assholes in clubs.
Posted on September 30, 2013, in bad boys, crackpottery, creepy, douchebaggery, emotional abuse, gaslighting, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, PUA and tagged emotional abuse, gaslighting, misogyny, pick-up artists, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 503 Comments.
If 32,000 try it, it may just work about 5 times. They’ll all go “hey, it worked for me” and no one will ever bother to report that it didn’t work, and lo and behold, being a creepy weird fuck just perpetuates.
So basicly this guy is an advocate of the D.E.N.N.I.S system
I am so sorry for the poor women who have to put up with this crap.
Pure D.E.N.N.I.S. system.
A transcript would be great if anyone has time to make one – partly because it’s much quicker than watching, but mostly so Julian doesn’t get the views.
Fuckheads. Shit like this is infuriating. Not so much because he knows how to make it work, but because someone else will. Someone who might not have thought of it otherwise.
And his asshole followers will support those fuckheads in their abuse of other people.
Holy shit, that’s disgusting and disturbing. I like how he puts himself in front of the Hollywood sign for extra douche cred, and makes sure to casually mention being in Sao Paolo. Fucking propaganda.
Also, his speech patterns and mannerisms, plus his skin pallor and the fact that he seems to be sweating from how intense he’s talking, screams “massive cocaine habit” to me.
None of that makes sense. How can it possibly work? It’s just word vomit.
Also, did he even watch Austin Powers? He short circuits the fembots by being so sexy they overload, not by gaslighting them until they lose all sense of reality.
I find both of these videos quite chilling. The guy in the first actually does this stuff and gets paid (apparently) for his ‘advice’. I’m not sure how successful he’d be but to attempt to manipulate another person like that is beyond reprehensible. Usually this bullshit makes me laugh but this? It just makes me angry. I hope next time he tries this victim turns the table and humiliates him.
He Makes Me All Stabby.
There’s no way in hell he’s really in LA: the landcape behind him is way too still to be real. Which also means he’s probably lying about being in Brazil, too. I agree with Binjabreel that he doesn’t look too healthy, either.
The guy should listen to himself, instead of just enjoying the sound of his voice. He’s beyond creepy.
Don’t Know Why My Phone Is Capitalizing Every Word.
Is this how the dude makes his living? Sometimes this world . . .
Can someone get Julian a comb?
And that “jolt ” he’s talking about? Pretty sure that isn’t a woman’s brain short-circuiting. Sounds more like a cringe to me. Babbling total nonsense ate omen in clubs is a pretty cringe-worthy action.
What the heck. This sounds like a lot of work and if I were the girl, I’d think this guy was nuts and I’d run away. How bizarre these men are.
“At women” not “ate omen.” C’mon autocorrect, how the hell came you eat an omen?
This Is Awesome:
http://somegreybloke.blogspot.com.es/2013/09/thunderf00t-has-decided-to-talk-about.html
Actually I quite enjoy the imagery of omen-eating nonsense.
What’s with the glasses? Is he trying to look cool or something? He’s quite deliberately hiding his eyes and that makes me nervous. Especially when giving this kind of creepy ‘advice’.
Omg how brilliant. Why didn’t I think of that?
Oh yeah, because it’s fucking stupid.
Here’s a REAL Freakout Artist in action (probably NSFW):
This just seems like an extremely sad attempt to turn one’s social awkwardness and inappropriate behavior into a successful pick-up technique. Good luck with that.
“C’mon autocorrect, how the hell came you eat an omen?”
That black cat and crow tasted pretty delicious topped with the spilled table salt.
Also maybe he’s got liver problems from over-drinking, hence the yellowy skin.
…what the hell did I just listen to? That was the most incoherent mess I’ve ever heard in my life.
“Short circuit her brain.” No, more like confuse the fucking hell out of her, as it did to me. “Can’t logically process…” yes, because you’re talking and not making any logical sense to me, that’s why I can’t process it, NOT because you used some fairy magic to make my brain stop working via some emotional feedback… or whatever the fuck he’s trying to mutter.
Fuck. I’m actually annoyed by this. That’s about the only emotion it’s going to evoke in me.
There’s at least one federal interrogation manual that refers to this as the “Through the Looking Glass” technique.
No joke, he’s telling people that they can get sex the same way that the FBI might extract information from a terrorist.
LMBAO wow, I never thought I’d see or hear a negative review of RSD Julien’s stuff.
He’s 1 of my favorite pickup coaches whom I’ve learned few things from like temporarily short-circuiting womens’ brains with mass stimuli.
Overall, I don’t think Julien is a bad teacher.
Go fuck yourself, Socialkenny. Both you and he are awful human beings.
Socialkenny, women’s brains aren’t electronic. That short circuiting thing? It’s just her “wtf is he doing” response.
…that actually makes it worse, Kenny.
You don’t even need to watch it to know he’s not in LA. the focus on him is tack-sharp, and the tree next to him is out of focus. In a still that might be the effect of some photo-shoppery, but absent some serious computing, and some serious technical chops (esp. with the way he’s bouncing up and down) it’s not happening.
I say this in part because there is no wind, and no sound of wind in his audio. He’s using a clip-on mike, and the sound is pretty constant.
He does appear to be outdoors, based on the reflection in his glasses but the light is odd. He’s in shadow, facing generally south. The light would have to be early morning; and it ought to change some in almost eight minutes.
The glasses don’t rule it out, completely. but I sort of doubt it. I certainly don’t believe the, “I was in Brazil” shit.
I wonder how MRAs would react to lady pickup artists who say things like, “Getting a man in bed is easy. All you have to do is short circuit his primitive reptilian brain with a low neckline.”
They’d be crying misandry to queendom come.
It’s terribly charming when a person admits that they have to resort to coercion to get women interested in them.
Kenny: Overall, I don’t think Julien is a bad teacher.
So you think mental abuse = good pick-up technique. You are an abusive personality. Good to know.
You know, during his little spiel, I found myself “jolting”… or “short circuiting”. No, really.
Oh wait. No. Nope. That was my body dry heaving. Simple mistake. Could happen to anyone.
I think he mistook “jolting” with recoiling in disgust… or perhaps flinching away from an obviously rapey person.
Socialkenny: Seriously? What Andrew Johnston said. The whole subtext is basically, a man can’t attract a woman on his own, but instead has to literally drive her temporarily insane. A woman cannot be in her right mind I order to be attracted to a man. This is as insulting to men as it is to women.
Mmmm…chocolate cat cookies:
http://www.mccormick.com/Recipes/Dessert/Black-Cat-Cookies
“…how came you eat an omen.” “Can,” not “came.” Autocorrect, it is not nice to make fun of an old lady like this.
Kennykins, I certainly hope you didn’t catch a left hook in the kisser from your experiment. In my experience, people tend to react violently to massive overstimulation.
Or they roll their eyes and chalk it up to you being a spaz. I certainly hope it was the latter in your case.
Wow, those guys really think women are inherently unintelligent. You will confuse her by making no sense, her ladybrains will have to reboot.
The thing is, gaslighting works (on both genders, in my experience) when you have something invested in the person, or when you trust someone. When it happens to men, the conclusion is that bitches be crazy (and evil). When it happens to a woman, it is pick up artistry and *not evil at all*.
Because rationalization.
This.
Maybe his hair is trying to overstimulate and confuse women who are trying to figure out what style it’s supposed to be (this is known as the “A Flock of Seagulls” technique).
Really?
@thenatfantastic
I meant socially awkward. I’m sorry. I won’t use that word again.
Cool, thanks.
katz: “…the Flock of Seagulls technique.” Pfffft. But if he’s going for that, he should at least have the guts to go full-out, instead of just half-assing it. :)
Wonderful 80’s New Wave weirdness!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iIpfWORQWhU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiIpfWORQWhU
“I ran so far away” seems a pretty apt response to Julien.
Not every socially awkward person is a misogynistic asshole.
This blog condemns ableism and yet I’ve seen a few comments like that, were the socially unskilled are treated as if we were all evil woman-haters or something.
I’ve been told I’m weird, and I have to make and extra effort when talking to people. Sometimes I even screw up, but I don’t mean to and I’m working on it since I was a teenager.
I’m not angry, I’m just trying to say -in the most inefficient way (I’m sorry, I wish I could make my point in Spanish)- that being an entitled douchebag that thinks that women are less than human beings is not necessarily related to being socially awkward.
sparky: That video really doesn’t do it justice.
Ah, yes. It’s not that we find this kind of behavior radically annoying, off-putting and cringe-inducing, it’s *got* to be that our poor, illogical girly brains just can’t handle the totally alpha awesomeness.
@arubakaru: True, there’s plenty of socially confident and charismatic guys who are misogynistic shitpiles, but this guy here is exactly the kind of douchebag who makes a living preying on the socially unsure and awkward, so, c’mon. I think what they’re saying is this particular way of gaslighting seems like a way of hiding deliberate assholry behind a screen of social awkwardness.
Also, seriously, this is hands down one of the least ableist websites I’ve ever seen.
This Julian dude not only looks (and sounds creepy) but he also looks like he lives in that cult where wearing deodorant is forbidden. Nice article.
… Must thank you, because I have found the perfect youtube site to troll ^^.
Reblogged this on Victoria 2070 a.d..
@Andrew Johnston, Your Chinese history lesson from a while back recently made it’s way into my bog. Click on my name if you want to see it alongside a bunch of cute doggie pictures. :-)
@Binjabreel
“this is hands down one of the least ableist websites I’ve ever seen.”
I know, but socially awkward people seem to be an exception (some commenters have made fun of socially awkward people in the past and I’ve been meaning to say something about it for some time because being this way has caused me pain, but I know people here don’t mean any harm so I kept my mouth shut).
“I think what they’re saying is this particular way of gaslighting seems like a way of hiding deliberate assholry behind a screen of social awkwardness.”
I get that. Misogynistic entitled bastards who are also socially awkward use tricks to get into women’s pants. Misogynistic entitled bastards who are perfectly comfortable and skilled in social situations also use those tricks.
Please tell me if I’m being oversensitive. I don’t think so, though. I just want to make it clear that even if I suck interacting with people I am very empathetic, and I’m sure I’m not the only socially awkward person who is also a decent human being.
Social awkwardness isn’t a mental illness.
“Social awkwardness isn’t a mental illness.” True, but it also doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily an asshole. Personally, I think arubakeru’s point is important. It’s the overabundance of entitlement and simultaneous lack of empathy and decency that makes Julian such an asshole, not his relative level of comfort with social interaction.
arubakeru: You are right. I apologize if any of my remarks seemed to imply that. It was not my intention. This Julien guy seems to be manufacturing social awkwardness in order to manipulate a woman into bed, and it’s the manipulation part, not the socially awkward part, that’s skeevy. And if someone is making an effort to talk to someone, and comes off “weird” because they are socially awkward, that’s a lot different from what Julien is saying. I am sorry people have called you “weird.” That’s really mean. :(
katz: Oh yeah, that’s how you do it.
One thing I found interesting is that lesbians are beginning to use “game”:
http://lesbianpickupartist.blogspot.com/
http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/lesbian-pua/
http://www.lesbianpickupartist.com/
But it’s not ableism because that’s specifically about mental and physical disabilities.
@katz
It’s a lack of a skill that most people take for granted. It’s involuntary. It’s like being a terrible singer, with the difference that you don’t need to sing but you have to interact with people every day. And it has nothing to do with being misogynistic.
I’m a slow writer… thanks guys! You are awesome!
Why, Good? Why in hell is that interesting to you?
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The aim of this technique is to mentally incapacitate women, right? Alright, so, imagining that this actually works as advertised and doesn’t give women the impression that you’re actually having a mental breakdown right in front of them, what you’re basically aiming for is rape. The intention is to get to a situation where she is driven out of her mind and incapable of any rationality or self control. Having sex with someone who is incapable of rational thought or self control is rape.
Fortunately, I’m fairly convinced that all this does is make you look like a drooling idiot.
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I'll give you my own Guaranteed Sex Advice though? Find someone who actually wants to have sex with you.
So, there’s probably not much doubt that he’s not actually in front of the Hollywood sign, but seeing that the shot would need to be angled upward to catch the sign like that, I’m having fun imagining how he’d have to be leaning to stay in such a shot while also appearing to be standing level.
Social awkwardness is not a mental illness, but it can stem from mental illnesses. I can personally attest to that.
However, I am personally not bothered by the occasional dogpile on socially awkward people, because I’ve spent my entire adult life trying my damnedest to learn how to act “normal,” and for the most part I’ve succeeded, at least enough to fake people out in social settings until I can get away.
It was hard work, so I get pretty annoyed by other socially awkward people (I’m not talking about you, arubakeru, I mean people I know IRL) who don’t even make any attempt to not freak people out, because they’re special snowflakes who can’t be expected to modify their behavior. It’s an entitled attitude, and yest it’s mostly men I see doing this, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if some women do it to.
It’s not ableism, but it can cause pain so I’m glad arubakeru brought it up. I don’t know that I do this a lot (I don’t know that I *don’t* do it either), but I’ll try to be better!
LesserGood, Congratulations! You’ve made the AMAZING DISCOVERY that lesbians are people! And like other people, they sometimes do good things, and they sometimes do bad things! You should write up a scientific paper on your AMAZING DISCOVERY!!!!
So what? Lesbians are still human – humans are entirely capable of being horrible, manipulative arseholes, even the ones with cooties.
Well, I see your point, but disagree, if only slightly. It doesn’t matter to me if someone is socially awkward because of ASD or anxiety or just garden variety shyness. What matters to me is not to falsely correlate “I don’t want to treat others with decency and respect” with “some physiological or psychological factor makes it difficult for me to gauge whether I am treating people with decency and respect.” For me, ableism is a useful term under which to resist such correlation.
@MordsithJ
I’m bipolar and had social phobia as a teen. So yeah, that has probably something to do with me being socially awkward. Or maybe the social phobia appeared because i sucked at interacting with people.
I don’t like being this way and sometimes other socially awkward people annoy me too, when they just don’t give a fuck about disturbing others (I try not to judge them too hard though).