More Amazing MisogynArtistry from deviantART
Here — above and below – are a couple of amazing works of Men’s Rightsy propaganda I missed in my survey of deviantART yesterday, both from a fellow calling himself alexlartwork22. And, yes, they both seem to be meant completely seriously.
Thanks, Tulgey Logger and Cloudiah for finding these! Is anyone else reminded of Chick Tracts here? The crude drawing, the melodrama, the excessive word balloons?
My post yesterday inspired (or at least provided the excuse for) rather a lot of comments, many of them rebutting a Men’s Rightsy fellow calling himself Good. Below, a graphic from Katz memorializing one of Good’s more, er, memorable pronouncements.
Posted on September 25, 2013, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, artistry, chivalry, evil women, hypergamy, men created civilization, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed men, patriarchy, playing the victim, straw feminists, that's not funny! and tagged antifeminism, chivalry, deviantart, facepalm, men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 434 Comments.
Aw, Good, are you so intellectually deficient (or perhaps morally bankrupt) that you go about insulting people, and accusing them of ignoring you and it all slips your mind: you can’t follow up on it in the morning?
Amazing. I get insulted hundreds of times, and when I FINALLY respond in kind, you complain. Comical. And when have I accused anyone of ignoring me? Stop making things up. Is that an attempt at a link?
@Doubleplusungood
The problem here is that the second-wave of feminism has passed, and 1963 was the start of second-wave feminism only. Third-wave feminism is modern feminism.
“Amazing. I get insulted hundreds of times, and when I FINALLY respond in kind, you complain. Comical. And when have I accused anyone of ignoring me? Stop making things up. Is that an attempt at a link?”
The insults were pretty justified. Don’t like being treated like a complete dumbass? Don’t act like a complete dumbass.
Men’s rights go back forever, eh?
What about Mammoths’ Rights, then?
WE TRAMPLED THE CRO-MAGNONS FOR YOU
GoodGodHe’sStupid hasn’t come up with anything worth responding to, I see. Quelle surprise.
Hey, Fade, you about? I bought a folding walking stick this morning, so I don’t have to juggle a full-length umbrella and a full-length stick on the train.
Carp, I managed to fail the link to this set of comments about the idiocy you were spewing in the other thread.
Maybe it was a typo and he meant 1792. Yanno, A Vindication of the Rights of Women? Cuz I remember 1963 very well and if I were a betting person I would bet that Good does not.
This one is on spot:
http://alexlartwork22.deviantart.com/art/MY-SHIP-314911902
No, no, he means modern feminism, which is defined as “feminism that postdates anything that he wants to claim is good.”
No, just no.
The insults were pretty justified. Don’t like being treated like a complete dumbass? Don’t act like a complete dumbass.
You should take your own advice idiot.
Good, you are just embarrassing yourself here.
Good, you ignorant twit: Amazing. I get insulted hundreds of times, and when I FINALLY respond in kind, you complain.
Liar.
One, you wax hyperbolic. In someone less prone to fits of dramatugy I’d let it pass, but hundred of times seems unlikely.
Two: It’s far from the first time (which is implicit in the use of the word, “finally”): and given the resort in the thread you abandoned (a comment with no content but to call the target of your ire stupid) you can’t claim even that this is the first overt case of insult you’ve made.
Three, you wax bathetic about how pure you are (unlike the nasty mouthed harridans of feminism), refraining from the allure of abusive language, esp; that which has no relation to the argument.
So you made the bed, that it’s wet and nasty from you pissing in it ain’t my fault. That I point out that you made such an infantile mess isn’t blameworthy. Pretending you’ve not been engaged in baseless insult, refusal to engage with honest argument and not much more than left-handed instances of ad hominem is just sad.
We deserve better examples of misogyny than you have been providing. Have some pride man, stick to the program, don’t let your injured feelings get the best of you; keep the pretense of “rational manly thinking”.
It will make it easier to tell the other dudebros you won.
The italic monster never leaves pecunium alone. :<
Good: When have you accused people of ignoring you?
That was sept. 24 (you remember, yesterday; before you went to bed). If 90 percent of the response to your “actual citations and stuff”, given, “all the time” are personal insults… then people are ignoring you.
And you are complaining about it.
As to this wonder:
I need to make dinner. It’s making my already less than perfect typing more vulnerable to the various monsters.
The article Good linked to seems to be an anomaly; most studies indicate that “marrying up” has been on a steady decline since the rise of modern feminism. It’s just common sense; as women have more opportunities, of course they’re going to be closer in income and education to their partners. Via the New York Times (which seems to be nostalgic for the good old days when marriage was the only way a woman could escape poverty, but that’s a New York Times style article for you):
Today, across the member countries of the O.E.C.D., 40 percent of couples in which both partners work belong to the same or a neighboring earnings bracket, compared with 33 percent two decades ago, a 2011 report by the agency shows. Nearly two-thirds of couples have the same level of educational attainment (in 15 percent of the cases, the wife is more educated than her husband).
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/world/europe/13iht-letter13.html?pagewanted=all
Good, I have to confess that cartoon completely baffles me. What does the ship represent?
Humourous anecdote: one time a man an I were approaching a glass door from opposite directions and I got their first. The look on his face when, instead of waiting meekly for him to hold the door open for me, I held the door open for HIM is something I will carry with me to my dying day; you could see the internal existential crisis this action caused him as if it were scrawled on him with a sharpie.
“You should take your own advice idiot.”
Well that was adorable.
If we’re really going to obsess over the word modern, you’re early by 20-30 years: Third Wave feminism wasn’t really “born” until the late 80’s or early 90’s. So… uh… read a book? I recommend Ulysses.
Emmy – LOL! I get that sort of reaction too, sometimes, though only from older guys. Younger ones might say “No, after you,” but they won’t make a fuss about it.
I see good is back. *sigh*
so, how are the rest of you? Not that I mind people poking him, poke away, but I have a too short attention span atm to respond to him. He’s so…boring.
Well get it off Spot! Boats are heavy and cats (I’m assuming cat – it is a cat’s name after all) are not strong enough to carry them!
Shaenon, You didn’t think Alex L.’s explanatory note made it perfectly clear?
Good, why did you like that one, and not this one:
http://alexlartwork22.deviantart.com/art/NAT-VS-UNAT-1-345247299
(Note to Argenti: Weird zombie fishes are involved.)
Once again, Alex L explains:
sweet! how’s it working so far? Also, does it look awesome* :D
*mobility aides are much funner if they look awesome.
Okay, I”m going to critique that ridiculous comic good linked to…
a) patriarchy wasn’t men building things. like… I don’t know how you even got that. Women work under the patriarchy, too, our accomplishments are just shat on or passed off as someone else’s. So for the guy saying “I spent years building this ship…” NO!
b) Feminism isn’t about women running men’s lives. It’s about equality. So if you think that’s bashing feminists you are mistaken. I mean, it is, but the artist obviously has no idea what feminism is.
c) if you think that is “on spot”, i don’t even know what to do because you are obviously so willfully ignorant. AND WILLFULLY IGNORANT IS NOT AN INSULT. It is a description of how your actions/ opinions seem based on how you presented yourself. Are you like… thinking people have to coddle your ego and say that everything you think is right for it to not count as insulting?
/still not caught up, but I’m posting this now.
@cloudiah
now that one’s just…baffling. I’m saying a lot today, but…. O_o Ignoring the ginormous sexism at play, is being attracted to “unnatural” beauty really a character flaw, so long as you don’t expect everyone who’s doing it to be doing it for your pants feelings?
Very impressed by you all! <3
@Cloudiah
That comic is so strange my mind is baffled.
I also like how he had to explain that the fish were an analogy for men. Yeah, dude. We couldn’t get it from your incredible subtlety.
Good, since Pecunium was kind enough to link you to yesterday’s discussion, I’m sure you’ll be responding to our critiques of your position, because failing to do so would be rank intellectual cowardice.
And we will remind you about it every time you visit, because we have long memories.
@fade
remember, if you dye your hair/get breast implants/ wear make up (whatever qualifies as unnatural beauty idk) you will catch zombie men.
You may think you won’t. But you will. catch. zombie men.
/sugar rush.
Ohai, Marie. I’m good thanks, I’m building a rocket to take me to the stars! (In Kerbal Space Program) It’s looking good so far. :3
How’re you?
Tch! Typical woman! WIth your words… and ability to recall past events…
There’s another of Alex L.’s comics that attacks Chinese restaurants and Korean-owned beauty supply stores for selling greasy food and unnecessary products (respectively) but I didn’t link to it because it is fairly racist. He is just kind of incoherent.
No wonder Good likes him.
Yay space program! :D So is that like a school? I’m sorry, I’m kinda un-educated about these sort of things.
Today I’ve just been chilling, dreading taking the remainder of the GED. :P cuz then I’ll have to beg for work. *pitiful whining noises*
@cloudiah
Oh joy :/ Can’t bigots ever stick to hating one group of people, or do they always have to overlap like this?
Look at those GTA clouds.
Totally OT but this is pretty much the best place in the world: http://updates.kotaku.com/post/62237719492/japan-has-not-one-but-two-places-that-are
I NEED TO GO THERE
@Fade:
The cane’s not as pretty as my other one (sob) but it is a cool pewter colour. The chemist where I bought it only had that or black, which burns me a bit ‘cos that brand is made in quite a few colours. It’s a Canadian brand called … Hugo. Yeah, I went “argh” at having a cane with that name written on it! :D
This is a good pic of it, though mine has extra joins where it folds up:
I’ve only used it for a few minutes so far, but it seems as good as my pretty floral one. Plus it has a padded handle. It isn’t any more comfortable than the other one (which is comfortable) but at least it won’t chip every time I drop the darn thing on concrete!
GoodyGumDrops and his much-admired Alex wotsit are definitely in the “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” category.
Hmm … with all that twaddle about unnatural bait (or “unatural”, whatever that may be), I wonder if Alex has ever heard of fly-fishing?
I begin to think it is once again after Good’s bedtime.
Ally, save me a seat on the plane!!!
It’s a terribly serious and true-to-reality physics simulator, in which you can create functional rockets and test their space-worthiness…… it’s also a very silly game which involves little yellow-green men with crew cuts who may well be descended from plants. It’s all very grown up. Well… bits of it are. :P
Good luck with the GED and the work-getting thing. I’m currently trying to make money by tricking people into thinking I can write well… still have to get something written, and available for people to buy, but I seem to have the tricking people into thinking I can write well bit down, so now it’s just the writing something and making money bits to work on.
@Athywren
That sounds fun, in theory :P I bet it involves math though. Does it?
also, ::offers aspiring author high five:: assuming that’s what your last paragraph was about. (hey authors and writing go together in theory this makes sense in my head…)
@Kittehserf
aw on it not being as pretty as your old one. :( It still does look simple and nice, though.
And re: padded handles: My current canes (unpadded) handle is so chipped up it looks like I used it to fight off a robot or something.
//that analogy made more sense in my head.
Brave Sir LesserGood ran away again?
Well your robot analogy made me lol! Mine looks like it was painted with the world’s cheapest nailpolish.
The new one does have a nice pinky-purple undertone in daylight. But why they no have the rose colour, whyyyyyy.
@Andrew Johnston
Being black and having spent a lot of time with people who support the black power movement, I am not at all surprised by the mysogony of Alex L. Most black nationalists, that I’ve run into at least, believe some variation on the idea that black men need to, “control our women” and very strongly believe in gender roles that place the man above the woman. Recently, the mysogony has gotten so strong that there are some people, namely Tommy Sotomayor, who blame all of the problems in the black community on black women.
It is a sad situation, but was perhaps inevitable, given the way the black power movement focused so heavily on black male power and so little on black women.
Cripes. Walter, is he giving racism a free pass? (Apologies, I’m Australian and know little-to-nothing about the black power movement.)
Umm… arguably no. I don’t consciously use any math, but I’m a physics student so I probably have some subconscious awareness of power/weight ratios. It’s mostly visual and trial and error though – you can work out where to put maneuvering thrusters by clicking a button that shows the centre of mass and putting them in two groups of four (one on each side) at equal distances from that centre. The hardest part is making sure you’ve got enough thrust to lift your rocket, but that’s trial and error – if it won’t go, give it more and bigger engines… it might not necessarily be scientific, but it’s definitely how the Kerbals would do it. (This is the product description for a small solid fuel rocket – “While considered by some to be little more than “a trash bin full o’ boom”, the RT-10 is used in many space programs, whenever the need to save cash is greater than the need to keep astronauts alive.” These guys aren’t about subtlety.)
Spapp! (That’s… uh… a high five sound.) I’m currently working on a very silly super hero novel. I won’t go into details for paranoid reasons, but it’s ridiculously funny in my mind. Think Adam West Batman & Dirk Gently… except different.
(And that’s why I didn’t go into marketing.)
These guys really do lack any self-awareness.
In that first comic, I love how the feminists are all dressed in heels and spreading their legs and arching their backs as they assault the Patriarchy with phallic jackhammers. Totes realistic depiction.
The punchline seems to be “Yay, now we can drop the pretense of being nice to women and be assholes!”
I’d take equal pay and professional respect over flowers and candy any day. Seems like a good deal to me.
It probably is after Good’s bedtime, he was getting stroppy. Being that stupid must be exhausting.
@Athywren
Whoops. Guess being wrong is inevitable in making guesses about things I know nothing about :P
That does sound fun :D I’ve got a couple different ideas but none I’ve gotten terribly far on, so kinda a writer-failure thing. I wrote more in middle-highschool before my depression flared up, and I need to get back on track. /rambles.
@buttercup q. skullpants (who has an awesome name :D)
certainly says a lot about the artist, imo :/
All this “natural” and “evolution” and “science” bullshit is making me pukey.
I’m wary of assaulting the Patriarchy with phallic jackhammers. The master’s tools will never destroy the master’s house, after all…
“YOU’LL CATCH MORE GOOD FISH (MEN) WITH NATURAL BAIT THAN YOU WILL CATCH BAD FISH (MEN) WITH UNATURAL BAIT”
So, as is not news, I have a puffer fish. Turns out little dude is a green spotted puffer — aggressive, fond of live food. In theory. In practice frozen brine shrimp are like candy to a four year old.
Point here is that aggressive fish (men) can be easily trained to take “unnatural” bait.
Um…no that’s not it!
Point here is that with rare exceptions, even aggressive carnivores will go for altered food. (Reminds me, I need to get my shrimpery set up, I’m gonna breed him his candy!)
is it on online only game, or is it freestanding once purchased?
Pecunium! Games! I restarted as a female Tremere instead of playing the male you ended up as, cuz I just did a male Tremere and want something else to look at (also, I wanna seduce Romero and he’s straight)
Giant crushing
vagina dentatanutcrackers!Oh my gods, I just noticed, lots of the two dot ellipsis!
I notice that the ‘unnatural’ woman in his comic has straight blonde hair, but appearing to have the same skin colour as the ‘natural’ woman with the afro. So I’m guessing it’s not just about women being fake, but about them betraying their race as well. I wonder how he feels about black men shaving patterns into their hair.
I’m all for women believing that how they are naturally is just fine, and it’d be better if PoC didn’t feel pressured by society to appear more white, but dictating to women about what they are allowed to do with their own bodies and hair is just wrong.
It’s like he has a kernal of a good idea in his comics, but has applied them in wildly terrible ways.
One thing I learned from Neil Gaiman (a talk he gave… not like a personal conversation or anything) is to procrastinate productively. Engage in a little world building, play an RPG and take notes around what’s happening, read a book and take inspiration from its themes. I’m still getting the hang of it, but it’s very helpful. Once, while I was busily refusing to write anything, I designed a database to keep details on characters, their alignments, and rough storylines. As an entirely unrelated note, I HATE queries on the open office database program.
Do you mean Kerbal Space Program? It’s freestanding, though there might be online content when it’s fully released… I dunnoes. (It’s still technically in beta at the moment, I have it as early access on steam.)
Ok. Then I might buy it. I refuse to “rent” games.
@Athywren
I do thinking and note taking fine, it’s just writing and (more importantly for me :P) staying in the habit of writing so I don’t get out of practice I fail.
That sounds cool and handy :)
“If men dominate the world, why is that the case when men and women are equal in numbers?”
Karl Pilkington was right! Fish have more rights than people because there’s more of them!
Shhh, do you want Argenti’s fish starting a revolution?
Hi y’all,
As I was procrastinating reading stuff on the Internet about workout routines, mating strategies for men and how women are all heartless bitches, I stumbled across this, a post written by a successful self published writer who happens to be also a curvy and confident young woman, about how she decided to insult and threaten the job of someone who’d the audacity to politely reject her.
As you can expect, this post has hurt some dudebros’ jimmies and, very soon, the offended guys managed to gather an army and took retaliation measures in the form of a cyber-invasion of her post’s comments section where we can now see them insulting her, offering weight loss advices and expressing some death-wishes.
We need now a beautiful manboob’s post coming to the defense of this endangered lady, wishing to all internet brolands’ dwellers a lonely and sexless miserable life and demonstrating that Internet trolling is a evidence of patriarchy and the circle will be full. The circle need to be full. Thank you.
-____________-
Brz, are you capable of understanding what to most other people are some very simple concepts?
* It is wrong to go nuclear when rejected, threatening another person’s existence or livelihood.
* It is also wrong to threaten people with death or rape.
Seriously, this is kindergarten level stuff for most people.
Oh dear, did I summon Tedium Personified by mentioning him in passing?
Wow… it’s almost as if both men and women are capable of being awful people. Brz, you have opened my eyes, truly! Thank you. I’m now ready to learn how to spell my own name.