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Roosh pal: Attack on Pax Dickinson is “like a gang of angry, deformed and diseased street cripples overcoming a confident and successful alpha male.”

Roosh: A baby Hitler for the Internet age?

Roosh: A baby Hitler for the Internet age?

So I want to move on from the whole Pax Dickinson thing, but I feel I would be remiss to do so without first mentioning a remarkable post on Roosh’s Return of King blog with the seemingly innocuous title Pax Dickinson And The Culture Of Tolerance. Written by a Roosh forum regular who goes by the name scorpion (nice), the post is ostensibly a critique of alleged “cultural Marxists” whom, he charges, “claim to be tolerant of everything [yet] are … intolerant of traditional masculine behavior … .”

But his post is in fact a plea for intolerance so over the top that, save for some manosphere-specific jargon, and its focus on “feminists, white knights, manginas, fat acceptance activists and homosexuals” rather than, you know, Jews, it might as well have come straight from the pages of Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

I know, I know. Godwin. But just read this shit. Scorpion accuses the “politically correct internet hit squad” of

encouraging and mainstreaming the most bizarre and marginal human behaviors in a perverse quest to prove themselves the most tolerant of all their peers. …

What this is, really, is the elevation of the deranged and deformed along with the simultaneous tearing down of the strong and traditional. They are threatened by the sight of a masculine, red pill man like Pax Dickinson who unapologetically speaks his mind without fear of offending anyone. … Every time they see him they are acutely conscious of their own inferiority, so they conspire to end him. It’s like a gang of angry, deformed and diseased street cripples overcoming a confident and successful alpha male.

Yeah, not so much.

It’s here that Scorpion really begins to channel old Mr. Hitler.

These people don’t understand that by tolerating every type of degenerate behavior, they are destroying the culture. Imagine what would happen if your immune system suddenly became tolerant of everything. Within days or weeks your body would become host to dozens of infections and viruses, and you would quickly die. That’s exactly what these people are doing to our culture. … And so the body of the West has become filled with disease.

That. my friends, is Fascism.

Naturally, Scorpion predicts that these nasty “cultural Marxists” will get what’s coming to them in the end:

A backlash against these people is starting to build. … Within a few decades will come a rebirth of more traditional values, and these cultural Marxist social justice warriors will become nothing more than a relic of an ignominious era in our history. … Our descendents will be unable to comprehend how such an absurd ideology was able to take root in society. It will be as incomprehensible and perverse to them as the idea of suddenly chopping off their own body parts (which is fittingly a practice esteemed by the social justice warriors under the guise of “transgenderism”).

Is there some sort of new requirement that every article on Return of Kings contain transphobia?

These fools think they have found the one true god, but in reality they are simply a cult of death and decay. They are the patron saints of the sick and the twisted, the degenerate and the deformed. … It’s too late to save the West as we currently know it; but like a Phoenix, a new Western culture will rise from the ashes, a culture with traditional values and a healthy immune system to protect itself against degenerate cultural scum. And it won’t soon tolerate these worshippers of tolerance.

Yes, that’s right, a gang of Don Juan wannabes on an internet forum, united around a skeezy sex tourist and self-professed date rapist, have managed to convince themselves that they are the last bastions of traditional morality in a world gone wrong.

In the wake of Roosh’s viciously racist attacks on the critics of Dickinson, and his publishing of what is essentially a fascist tantrum, I think it’s fair to say that he has thrown his lot in entirely with the racist right wing of the manosphere, alongside such other charming fellows as Heartiste and Jack Donovan and Matt Forney. Indeed, in some ways he’s even outdoing them in the hate department. (Donovan in particular is a lot more affable about his racism.)

It’s a weird choice on Roosh’s part, because the hardest-core white supremacists out there have made very clear that they don’t see him as one of them. Because he’s of Persian descent, and therefore, in their minds, not really white. Indeed, several years back, one regular on the notorious Stormfront forums posted a “warning to Estonian women” that

[a] really nasty sex tourist from America (of Middle Eastern descent) has arrived in Tartu, Estonia. He came from Latvia after staying there a month or two. His goal is to lure into sex as many Estonian women as possible, especially very young girls. His name is Daryush Valizedeh, nickname – Roosh, and he is a pick up artist who believes women should be treated “like garbage”. This includes beautiful, young white women of Baltic and Nordic descent.

The Stormfronters tracked him as he made his way around Eastern Europe; one suggested he was not only not white but that he was literally part Neanderthal.

Roosh and the neo-Nazis: sounds like a match made in heaven.

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Posted on September 13, 2013, in ableism, alpha males, antifeminism, armageddon, disgusting women, grandiosity, homophobia, hypocrisy, imaginary oppression, literal nazis, manginas, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, not-quite-explicit threats, oppressed white men, playing the victim, reactionary bullshit, red pill, rhymes with roosh, transphobia, white knights and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 250 Comments.

  1. @wordsp1nner: I agree! It’s tricky because sometimes sadness is homeostatic: like, your mind’s way of telling you that you need to make a change, and numbing that is only going to prevent you making the necessary changes. But on the other hand, if you’re already making the changes/can’t change your circumstances, sometimes what’s wrong with looking to the normal human condition with a view to alleviating it, with meds or otherwise?

  2. In that vein (sorry about all the comments) I know someone who recently had a rough personal and career set back and was given meds to deal with that… and I don’t know how I feel about that. I wasn’t there to see how well she was coping but there is nothing wrong with feeling sad about that stuff. On the other hand, if the drugs help, even if you aren’t “sick”, I don’t think you should suffer.

    Depression caused by events in your life–especially events that could change later, like career setbacks–can be really frustrating. Because, logically, it seems like you should be sad because a bad thing happened, and treating the depression feels wrong because you’re treating the symptom, not the cause. It’s very easy to be like “I don’t need therapy/medication, I just need to get a job.”

    Which might be true. But the thing is that you can’t just make yourself get a job. So if you can get treatment for your depression, then, well, better to address the problem you have some control over rather than do nothing at all.

  3. wordsp1nner – As I understand it, a lot of mental diagnoses describe traits that almost everyone has to some extent – they just don’t become a disorder until they’re severe enough to interfere with your life. That’s why a lot of DSM diagnoses include something like “causes significant distress or dysfunction” (not the exact quote) as one of the criteria.

    But yeah, that’s a pretty subjective line to draw. I don’t know how I feel about the over-pathologizing issue, really. I’m wary about dismissing people who really need help with an “Oh, back in my day that wasn’t even considered a mental illness” type reaction. But I’m also wary of treating human variation like a set of diseases.

    I really just don’t know.

  4. These people don’t understand that by tolerating every type of degenerate behavior, they are destroying the culture.

    Here I thought what this idjit was upset by wasn’t our tolerating, “any” behavior, but rather our intolerance of behaviors like Dickinson’s.

  5. About mental illness, I wonder if it makes sense to talk about having tendencies toward various illnesses without necessarily being diagnosable/”pathological”/actually sick?

    In genetics, they talk about how people who are carriers for some genetic disorders are not completely unaffected–like carriers for sickle-cell anemia, who are not sick but do tend to be more anemic than non-carriers (as well as being resistant to malaria. I’ve heard that called “sickle-cell trait” before.

    It totally makes sense to talk about mental illness that way, particularly since there’s no schizo gene and no depression gene and so on (there are probably genes associated with various diseases, I think they’re identified in some cases such as schizophrenia, but there’s not a gene which is “the schizo gene” and cause you to become schizo etc). Pretty much every mental condition is something which occurs in healthy humans too, but taken to an extreme – and what counts or doesn’t count as “extreme” will depend on a lot of societal factors.

    Ozy once wrote at zir blog, when zie was still active, that zie doesn’t feel comfortable telling someone who wants help that “you’re not ill enough to qualify, so you ought to just suck it up”. I agree, and that’s why it’s bad to just go “back in my day being like you are didn’t count as an illness” as if that in itself would be a valid argument against treatment. Also, as Katz said, if you’re depressed because of factors in your life that you can’t control, then there’s nothing wrong with doing what you can do to feel better.

    What IS problematic with increased pathologization is
    a) if people don’t actually weigh the cons against the pros when it comes to taking meds, but just assume that “since I qualify for a diagnosis I ought to take meds”, and
    b) if it’s not even considered on a political level that maybe we ought to do something about society if a large portion of the population needs SSRI to be able to work, or do something about schools if a large portion of the students needs stimulants to be able to study and so on – if it’s just assumed that a diagnosis means that people’s brains are malfunctioning for 100 % genetic and non-political reasons.

  6. I don’t know how to do the quoting thing, so I’m just gonna copy and paste what Dvarghundspossen said:

    ‘b) if it’s not even considered on a political level that maybe we ought to do something about society if a large portion of the population needs SSRI to be able to work, or do something about schools if a large portion of the students needs stimulants to be able to study and so on – if it’s just assumed that a diagnosis means that people’s brains are malfunctioning for 100 % genetic and non-political reasons.’

    THIS, a thousand times this. I think we live in a very mentally pathogenic society: we’re living in isolated little boxes and we’re totally status-obsessed, and there’s some evo psych work on how depression, as a ‘cut-your-losses-and-stop-trying’ strategy, followed by anxiety, as a ‘seek-safety-in-the-protection-of-the-new-regime’ strategy, can follow from a loss of status.

  7. The problem with people saying that “depression is a healthy reaction to an unhealthy society” is not that they point to society as a cause of people’s problems, but that they suggest that people ought not to seek treatment but just suck it up, and also that a depressed person is healthier than a non-depressed person. Which just doesn’t make sense. No matter how fucked-up our society is, obviously a person who feels good and function without therapy and meds is healthier than a person who needs treatment to function.
    But the part where they point to society as a cause of people’s problems can still be accurate. We would probably have some cases of mental illness even in a complete utopia, but not necessarily the vast amounts we have today.

  8. RE: wordsp1nner

    I know someone who recently had a rough personal and career set back and was given meds to deal with that… and I don’t know how I feel about that.

    Enh, I was put on antidepressants during a period where I had lost my job, my health, my family, and in a few months, I knew I would lose my home. Oh, and there was no end to any of those situations in sight, for at least a year.

    Depression and suicidality seemed a pretty reasonable response… but I couldn’t die yet, so meds it was. Sure, at times I railed about how I was being treated as the sick one, when it felt more like the world was against me, but the fact was, the world wasn’t changing for me, so if I had to pharmaceutically change myself, so be it.

  9. re Neanderthals. We don’t really know why they faded away as an independent species of hominid. They inhabited a wide range of habitat (both sub-glacial, and temperate, and seem to have had a moderately wide set of lifestyles (the areas in/around Iran where they have been found were pretty mild for weather).

    Something changed that they didn’t manage to adapt to/outcompete somethig, and they stopped being a distinct species, though it seems they weren’t incapable of fertile cross-breeding with H. sap.

  10. Cassandra: I know that a lot of rock stars are a bit lacking in the shampooing-and-combing department, but I’m fairly sure most of them don’t carry either clubs or fleas.

    One of the interesting things about people is how non-sedentary we have always been, and how fleas are strong evidence of it. We don’t have any. There are other fleas which will prey on us (often to their greater detriment than ours, cat fleas can’t use our blood to make eggs), but there aren’t any fleas specific to humans. Fleas have a complex lifecycle, which requires their hosts to stick around. Their larval form lives in the ground, eating organic material (some, e.g. cat, can find enough in carpets to get by). Then they pupate. The pupa only hatch out when a host animal lies on them for enough time to warm them up.

    People haven’t been spending enough time in one place to have any adapt to us, or we have been smart enough to interrupt the cycle. There is a story about de Anza, and how Las Pulgas, came to get its name. The Ohlone would burn down their houses every spring, because they had become infested with vermin (bed bugs, dog fleas, etc). De Anza’s group went into some, in the time between the new one’s being built, and the old ones being destroyed, and all the hungry insects attacked them.

  11. Fucking fleas with their fucking bites and their fucking getting everywhere!

    Dog brought in fleas. Now we all have flea bites AND cat anger consequences for having to treat her too.

    And when I say the dog brought in fleas, I mean three weeks ago, with everyone telling my father that the dog was chewing himself alive cuz fleas, and my father insisting it wasn’t fleas. Dumb ass takes slightly less dumb ass to the vet and LO AND BEHOLD HE HAS FLEAS!

    Best part? I absolutely will not allow any spray chemicals because of the fish. Treat the furry ones and wait for them to die off. (Pecunium, as I don’t let the furry ones in here, I have like one bite and am not worried about bringing you fleas, though I suppose you can treat me like a cat and give me a flea bath if you really want [that sounds far dirtier than I mean it too huh?])

  12. Argenti – or you could wear a flea collar. :P

  13. I used to live in a house with a cat that had fleas. Thankfully, we slept in a loft bed, and the cat lacked the ability to climb ladders, thereby saving our bedding from a nasty fate.

    However, we DID get bitten quite a bit ourself, since the cat ADORED humanity. Which normally is good… unless they have fleas. I finally solved the problem by keeping the flea medicine on hand. Turns out that the very sight of it would make the cat turn tail and flee at high speed.

  14. The creativity level of neanderthals is a somewhat testable hypothesis. If they were great at inventing and coming up with new ideas but bad at following rules and copying other people, then all their tools and artifacts would look radically different from each other: Each individual would be impatient and want to come up with their own style of spearhead or whatever rather than patiently watching an older person demonstrate how they’re made.

    However, we actually see very little variation among Neanderthal tools. So there isn’t much to support the idea that they were wildly overcreative and innovative.

  15. The latest* documentary I’ve seen on Neanderthals vs Cro Magnons theorized that the reason they died out and CM didn’t was because CMs had huge networks of people, and NTs didn’t seem to. They based this on items found in archeological sites: CMs had stuff that could only have come from hundreds of miles away, indicating trade networks. NTs didn’t, indicating that each group was insular. When times got hard, NTs had no allies to rely on, and times got harder each successive ice age.

    *The one I watched most recently, not necessarily the most recent one produced.

  16. “Neanderthals were so creative!” just sounds like some dude having a tantrum after reading Clan of the Cave Bear.

  17. LOL I’d love to see the reaction of the Neanderthals-were-geniuses brigade to that book.

  18. I have yet to see a use of the term “cultural Marxism” that has any coherent meaning other than “ooga booga liberals”. I can’t even fathom what it’s supposed to mean.

  19. katz:

    I think Jared Diamond’s general thesis about culture applies to Neanderthals as well as H. sapiens, or at least there’s no particular reason to think it doesn’t. There were quite simply a lot more of us than there were of them, so the pool for really smart Neanderthals in a place to change their society for the better was a lot smaller. Their options were assimilate or die, and assimilation seems to be what they ultimately chose, if the DNA theory is correct.

  20. A colleague of mine pointed out that the much more flattering picture of Neanderthals that’s popular today arose at the same time as people realized that Neanderthals weren’t dark and swarthy but actually pretty pale, and that the people now living with most Neanderthal DNA are people of Scandinavian descent. Unfortunately that makes perfect sense.

  21. Alice Sanguinaria

    teiresias – I honestly think “cultural Marxist” isn’t supposed to mean anything.

    If anything, they’re trying to imply that anything that goes against a person’s (oft right-wing, hate-filled) opinion is actually a communist who wants to destroy ‘MERICUA, because communism/socialism (they’re NOT interchangeable, but a good number of right-wingers don’t care to know) is bad. That’s the point.

  22. Apart from anything else, many feminists and communists don’t exactly see eye to eye on a lot of issues. I think part of it is what everyone is saying – “communist” is just being used to mean “person who is not like me” in the same way that a lot of men use “slut” or “bitch” as insults, but without as much of an implication that you’re talking about a non-person – but also part of it is that a lot of feminists start out as leftists in a more general sense. Since the people describing everything that pisses them off as communist don’t know enough about the history of the left to see where the disagreements are between different leftist movements they assume that there must not be any disagreements. Which is pretty funny, if you’ve ever been involved in any sort of leftist political groups.

    Tl;dr is that they don’t know enough about the movements they’re critiquing to see the differences between Person Who Isn’t Like Me Therefore They’re Evil A. and Person Who Isn’t Like Me Therefore They’re Evil B.

  23. Also, “commie traitor” seems like the go-to insult for right wingers. Gods know I’ve been called it plenty (apparently disapproving of the Iraq war means I hate America…but this is probably not the time or place for my thoughts on that one)

  24. huuhhh Roosh has been in my country
    That’s strangely disconcerting for some reason.

  25. teiresias – I honestly think “cultural Marxist” isn’t supposed to mean anything.

    This. “Cultural Marxist” is a thought-stopper, it indicates something that some political leaders have decided is wrongthink.

    It’s sad and pathetic, seeing as Communism isn’t so much a threat. As far as I can tell, we really aren’t under existential threat in the US, the right is just envious of the London Blitz, so they look for someone to play the Nazis.

  26. I hate wordpress. It not only lost my password (I had to reset it) it manages to default to the email/password combination it refuses; while not letting me recover/reset a password for that acccount.

  27. Dvärghundspossen wrote:

    A colleague of mine pointed out that the much more flattering picture of Neanderthals that’s popular today arose at the same time as people realized that Neanderthals weren’t dark and swarthy but actually pretty pale, and that the people now living with most Neanderthal DNA are people of Scandinavian descent. Unfortunately that makes perfect sense.

    Incidentally, one of the first and more notable proponents of pale, gentle Neanderthals was a Swedish-speaking Finnish palaeontologist Björn Kurten in his fictional novel Den Svarta Tigern and its sequel Mammutens Rådare. Here’s the English title:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_of_the_Tiger

    Back in the 70s this was all highly hypothetical since we had no genetic data and very little cultural artifacts. However, as a leading ice age scholar, Kurten could write realistic paleofiction like no one else. I enjoyed the books greatly in Finnish translation, as well as some of Kurten’s nonfiction. There’s even a hat tip to Finnish language, as the Neanderthal name for Milky Way is literally “Track of Birds” :)

    (/fanboy)

  28. What does Marxism have to do with culture? Ok, I get the religion being the opiate of the masses stuff but… I don’t know.

    Is cultural Marxism like when you have free access to government sponsored art galleries?

  29. RE: pecunium

    I feel your pain. In my case, I still can’t get gravatar to work, so I’m stuck with this randomized green blotch.

    (No need for assistance, guys. I joined up, got the password… and for some reason the password that allows me to use gravatar refuses to be associated with this account I’m using right now. I have no idea what the deal is, but it’s not worth the hassle.)

  30. (It’s something to do with wordpress.COM instead of wordpress.ORG or some such shit.)

  31. LBT: Right, even though I don’t have a .org related account; it just refuses to recognise the email I’ve always used for WordPress.

  32. I think it actually has to do with keeping a blog,not just a system ID.

  33. “The Stormfronters tracked him as he made his way around Eastern Europe; one suggested he was not only not white but that he was literally part Neanderthal.”

    Wait, I thought the new thing in White Supremacy was claiming that white people were superior because they [b]are[/b] part Neanderthal, and that gives them all sorts of wonderful traits those horrible brown people don’t have.

  34. So are they Neanderthal, or are they not?!

    (Oh, Nezumi, here we’re using HTML code, not BBCode. It’s pretty much exactly the same thing, except that the [url] one, which has a completely different code thing.)

  35. It’s the Schrodinger’s Cat, thing. If they’re not white, then Neanderthal = Other, bad. If they are white, then Neanderthal = superior stock, good.

    You can think both at once, when you abandon all hints of morality and consistency!

    Which they did a long time ago.

  36. One Welcome Package for Nezumi! If you scroll to the comments, you’ll find my handy dandy HTML guide :)

  37. I’ve posted here a few times before, and couldn’t remember which actually worked. Sorry. I know enough HTML to work with it. And thanks for the help!

  38. The German Ethel Merman, don'tcha know

    Welp, you’ve done it, Mr. Futrelle. By linking to that StormFront thread, for the first time in my life, you’ve made me side with the Nazis. I don’t know how to feel about that.

    Nazis: Because they’re better than PUAs™

  39. OK, I love your username, so I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt: you do know the Stormfronters are just trying to keep white women from being contaminated by sex with nonwhite men, right? It’s not because of an inherent objection to PUAs, it’s because Roosh isn’t white enough.

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