Roosh V forum members baffled that fat woman doesn’t welcome sexual harassment
Online dating: It doesn’t always work like this.
For a certain subset of horrible men, there are few things more infuriating than the fact that women they find undesirable can turn down men for sex. For this upsets their primitive sense of justice: such women should be so grateful for any male attention, these men think, that turning down even the most boorish of men shouldn’t even be an option for them.
Consider the reactions of some of the regulars on date-rapey pickup guru Roosh V’s forum to the story of Josh and Mary on the dating site Plenty of Fish. One fine December evening, you see, Josh decided to try a little “direct game” on Mary.
That’s what the fellas on Roosh’s forum call it, anyway. The rest of us would call it sexual harassment.
Josh started off by asking Mary if she “wanted to be fuck buddies.” She said “nope,” and the conversation went downhill from there, with Josh sending a series of increasingly explicit comments to Mary, despite getting nothing but negative replies from her.
After eight messages from Josh, with the last one suggesting he would pay her $50 to “come over right now and swallow my load,” Mary turned the tables, noting that she’d been able to deduce his real identity from his PoF profile, and asking him if he wanted her to send screenshots of the chat to his mother and grandmother. He begged her not to.
As you may have already figured out, from the fact that we’re talking about this story in public, Mary did indeed pass along the screenshots, and posted them online.
Poetic justice? Not to the fellas on Roosh’s forum. Because, you see, Mary is … a fat chick.
While dismissing Josh as a “chode” with “atrocious game,” Scorpion saved most of his anger for the harassed woman:
Look how much she relishes not only shooting him down, but damaging his reputation with his own family. She’s positively intoxicated with her power. Simply spitting bad direct game is enough to unleash her vindictive fury.
“Bad direct game.” I’m pretty sure even Clarence Thomas would consider what Josh did sexual harassment.
At any point, she could have pressed a single button and blocked the man from communicating with her, but she didn’t. She didn’t because she enjoys the feeling of power she gets from receiving attention from guys like this and then brutally shooting them down. It makes her feel much hotter and more desirable than she actually is in real life. She’s not there to meet men; she’s there to virtually castrate them for her own amusement.
I’m guessing here, but I’m pretty sure that nowhere in Mary’s profile did she encourage the men of PoF to send her explicit sexual propositions out of the blue. And I’m pretty sure she didn’t hold a gun to Josh’s head and force him to send a half-dozen sexually explicit harassing messages to a woman he didn’t know.
Athlone McGinnis also relies heavily on euphemism when describing Josh’s appalling behavior:
I don’t think its primarily the revenge she’s after, its the validation. She is enjoying the power she has over this guy and wielding it brutally because it shows she can maintain standards despite her weight and the doubtless numerous confidence issues that stem from it. In blowing up this guy for being too direct in his evaluation of her sexuality, she affirms the value of her own sexuality.
Oh, so he was just being “direct in his evaluation of her sexuality.”
In short: “I am wanted, but I have standards and can choose. I have so much agency despite my weight that I can go as far as to punish those who approach me in a way I do not like rather than simply blocking them. I’m teaching them a lesson, because I’m valuable enough to provide such lessons.
So apparently in Mr. McGinnis’ world women who are fat aren’t supposed to have agency? They’re not supposed to be able to choose? They’re supposed to drop their panties to any guy who offers to be their fuck buddy or tells them to “suck my dick?”
Also, I’m a victim bravely standing up against online bullying/harassment-look at me!”
Yeah, actually, she is. Get used to it, guys, because you’re going to see a lot more of this in the future.
This isn’t just a laughing matter for her. She needs to be able to do this in order to feel worthwhile. She has to be able to show that even she is able to maintain standards and doesn’t have to settle for just any old guy asking for any old sexual favor simply because she resembles a beached manatee.
And it’s not a laughing matter for you either, is it? You’re actually angry that a woman said no to a sexual harasser — because you don’t find her attractive. And because Josh — from his picture, a conventionally attractive, non-fat fellow — did.
Mr. McGinnis, may a fat person sit on your dreams, and crush them.
Posted on August 23, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, evil fat fatties, excusing abuse, harassment, mansplaining, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, PUA and tagged misogyny, online harassment, pickup artists, PUA, sexual harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 1,116 Comments.
AnonWank:
You’re mansplaining rape and “prevention” to a group of men and women, some of whom have been raped, and all of whom, among the women, are all too aware of how rape culture and blaming hits OUR lives. Not yours: ours. You’re called out on this and promptly start whining about being bullied, despite all your prior claims to be an ally.
Seriously, if you can’t stop and think about what you’re doing, just go fuck yourself.
Raul, you are really pathetic, you know that? Like, I almost pity you. Almost.
He “quite likes us” but has been lurking, waiting for the opportunity to avenge himself. Under a different ‘nym. And even though he acknowledges he was wrong the last time.
This is not something that a decent human being does.
But we’re the bad ones. Bullies.
You know those red flags misery mentioned? I’m seeing a whole bunch of them, like a whole fucking sea of red flags for abusive, whipsawing behavior. And it ain’t the regulars who are waving them.
AG, you are displaying classic abuser behavior. If pointing that out makes me a bully, then I am a proud bully.
RE: AnonymousGuy
However, I am being as civil as I can
No you aren’t, and it doesn’t matter. It’s not your civility that’s getting up my ass. It’s your overweening arrogance and constant explaining. Badly.
I really like you guys.
Seeing as you called me a bully, I highly doubt that.
I accept that you will never like me because of my point of view.
Yup!
But that doesn’t mean I have to leave,
Yes, because you know, we’re all so glad you’re here, and you’re contributing so wonderfully to the conversation. What exactly do you get out of commenting on a site where you’ve pissed everyone off?
unless of course I get banned. I’m not sure under what rules that would occur (other than perhaps the sockpuppet thing, which I understand you guys are quite het up about but I have a feeling Dave might be a bit more forgiving of; we’ll see)
Sockpuppeting is the only ironclad rule I’ve ever seen here. Dude, the smart money says your ass is grass.
The little try-hard wants us to pity him. I thought mr. al was pathetic, but this kid may be worse.
I am not mansplaining rape, and I’m not whining. I’m defending one specific assertion made by misery (that victims can and do resist violence with various strategies that have various success rates), accepting that this assertion is considered very rude in this community, and pointing out the obvious and admitted bullying behavior of the commentariat of this blog.
Wait, wait a minute. You actually posted this:
“With respect, I do not need anyone’s consent to stand up to bullying.”
After admitting that you started shit here to feel empowered. You started shit up here with the intention of provoking strong reactions. That’s wanking.
I’m finding this really fucking creepy.
Misery: What are these magic bullets which Academic Security have figured out?
In the Netherlands we have radio announcements against ghostriders, which I pointed out purely as an example of something you can do to prevent drunk drivers from killing people.
Here what we do is arrest them.
Follow me on this: Someone see’s a “drunk” driver. They report it. The police then go and pull them over. I suppose, in the meantime, and APB could go out, on every radio station which has coverage in that area, but…
Why?
Also, that requires drivers to all listen to the radio (which I am certain would please the radio stations), but means that anyone who isn’t listening to the radio runs the risk of being blamed if they weren’t listening.
So it’s a shit analogy.
Wanking, now gaslighting…
“I’m defending one specific assertion made by misery (that victims can and do resist violence with various strategies that have various success rates), accepting that this assertion is considered very rude in this community, and pointing out the obvious and admitted bullying behavior of the commentariat of this blog.”
We’re being absusive? No, no matter how many times you use the word bully, we’ll know you came here to provoke regulars for some weird thrill seeking shit.
I don’t know what David will decide, and it is ultimately his decision which I respect. He’s got a pretty good moral compass.
But I will say that I think a decent person would apologize and go away. No matter what you were trying to do, AG, you have shit all over a bunch of people here — people that you say you like. I wouldn’t like to see how you treat people you don’t like.
RE: AnonymousGuy
See, this is where you’re not getting it. I DID resist my rape. It’s why I didn’t end up pregnant. And don’t get me wrong, knowing that I managed to keep myself from becoming a teenage single mother gave me some comfort during those dark, miserable days.
BUT, that was luck. That wasn’t strength of character on my part, or something other people can learn, because every rapist is different, and every person is different.
THAT is why I’m pissed at you. You’re pretty much taking the only control I had, and you’re turning it into argument material. You’re arguing about something you have no personal experience with, and don’t know anything about. Also, you deal with being called on it very badly.
And now, on top of it, you’re refusing to leave, because this has been healing for you or some shit. Well, congratulations, buddy, I’m so glad for you.
Anonymous Asshole: Well, I’m not going to argue about whether the behavior towards misery and me on this thread constitutes bullying
No, you’re just going to make the accusation and pretend it wasn’t you that left the turd in the punchbowl.
Kitteh — well I do have this little alien // gnome thing that has hair (algae)…it’s rather cute really.
Pecunium — somewhere buried in my brain is the testicle smash, I’m not sure I could actually do it even if obviously warranted. And by that point you’re already being assaulted and we aren’t talking prevention.
And the supposedly logical “prevention” tips…would have me never staying there. Because OMGS you’re male! And even more awesome in person and I can actually relax there but MALE!!
Point here is that staying with my partner is supposedly safe, and wasn’t, staying with dude I met online is supposedly OMGS WHAT ARE YOU THINKING dangerous and wasn’t (though, what was I thinking, you have a singing Russian crocodile! *dies of laughter* I’m not going to stop finding that funny any time soon, thanks :) )
AnonGuy — you can add me to that list, though you insulted me by completely ignoring my question as to what I should’ve done, not by directly insulting me.
RE: hellkell
I’m finding this really fucking creepy.
You and me both. This is the creepiest healing I’ve ever encountered. And I knew about the therapeutic uses of maggots.
Anonymous Asshole: I don’t think I called you a bully. I did call LBT a bully in a moment of weakness. In general it’s better to speak of “bullying” which is a behavior, and not to call people names. But I do occasionally slip up on that, I admit.
So… we are bullying you, but you wouldn’t say we are bullies.
Got it. You’re an idiot, and an asshole.
OMG I was looking at old medical literature about maggots just the other day.
This is definitely creepier.
Oh, this comment is perfecto, LBT:
“You and me both. This is the creepiest healing I’ve ever encountered. And I knew about the therapeutic uses of maggots.”
Well, it may be as you say and sockpuppeting is 1) what I did and 2) an ironclad immediate ban. In which case, obviously my ass is indeed grass. There is nothing about sockpuppeting in the comment policy but my understanding of the policy is that it’s designed to prevent people from avoiding moderation, appearing to be multiple people (which I admit I accidentally did on one thread, but I think it’s quite clear there was no intent there), or trying to defeat an outright ban. I was never on moderation as RaulGroom (except when I first got here of course) and I was just trying to avoid what to me was a stressful and upsetting situation. I certainly never said anything banworthy.
It is the case that I’ve probably posted too much on this thread according to the “don’t be tedious” rule but as I said I’ve tried my best to be friendly and civil despite the tone of comments directed toward me and misery, which include what I think will be an embarrassing amount of nasty name-calling and generally unattractive behavior when you look back and see what went down.
In any case it’s almost my bedtime but I have a weird hope that there is about to be a crack of light and some kind of rapproachment with someone here, so I’ll stick around a few more minutes.
We’re not just bullies, we’re herd creatures. Isn’t that what girlwriteswhat said about women? Or one of the special snowflakes.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
And I need to get to bed, so I can get to work in the early morning sun.
Y’all have fun with him before the local Mallet of Loving Correction comes down upon his head (‘bang-bang’).
“Kitteh — well I do have this little alien // gnome thing that has hair (algae)…it’s rather cute really.”
Just as long as it’s not one of those horrible rubber trolls with the nylon hair – gods I hate those things!
LBT – now if only we could get virtual maggots to feed on the trolls and clean the gangrenous little creeps off the site.
@Cloudiah, I just watched RENT last night.
Hey, you forgot leeches, pretty sure they have therapeutic use too. Granted maggots are far nastier.
Nth’ing the creepy vibe in other words.
AnonGuy — keep up, actively resisting violence once you are being assaulted has fairly shitty odds of getting the desired result. And you were, three pages ago, talking about PREVENTION.
And I’m with LBT, except twice over, since the time I managed to take some steps to protect myself was the time I was piss ass drunk and if able to take said steps was I really too drunk to consent? (Everyone, pass pecunium the popcorn for his stellar answer when I unloaded that one on his inbox; pecunium, thank you)
Cloudiah – herd creatues? Us?
NEEEEIGGHHHHHH
Drat – I included leeches in my comment then deleted ‘em, cos maggots seem nastier! ::gnashes teeth::
“In any case it’s almost my bedtime but I have a weird hope that there is about to be a crack of light and some kind of rapproachment with someone here, so I’ll stick around a few more minutes.”
HAHAHAAHHHAAAAA!!! *falls over*
Yes, any second now we’ll realize that we were wrong and there totally are universally applicable rape prevention tips that don’t result in “you didn’t do X?!?”
Pecunium — aw, g’night. Hopefully won’t be talking to you tomorrow, on the phone that is (well, unless you feel like making a social call or something)
(Not talking to him on the phone = bullshit with my psych not happening, ergo that hope)
Kitteh — I can try to take a picture I guess? But it’s your standard ceramic fish tank decoration, with hair algae on its head.
RE: AnonymousGuy
it may be as you say and sockpuppeting is 1) what I did
Dude, this isn’t up for debate. This isn’t a ‘maybe’ situation. You came with a different identity specifically to avoid shit from your past here. That’s sockpuppeting. Why WOULDN’T it be?
as I said I’ve tried my best to be friendly and civil
You’ve failed. When people ask you to leave, and you refuse to, that’s not friendly, no matter how you say it. It’s an infringement of boundaries.
RE: Argenti
Leeches also have therapeutic uses, yes. But I agree that maggots are creepier. At least the maggots are innocent and have no ulterior motives.
Herd animals?
BAAAAA. BAAAA
Yeah, what?
” I was just trying to avoid what to me was a stressful and upsetting situation…”
Seriously? Then why the claims that rape victims should have put up more of a fight? Or been able to read their abuser’s mind? You were trying to avoid stressful interaction? No fucking way.
Don’t you know? Raul’s want to avoid the stressful situation of being called out on his shit is more than important than our want to avoid the stressful situation of being told our sexual assaults were in any way our fault.
I miss Asher. At least he was briefly ENTERTAINING when I was sleep-deprived.
Hell, I miss ANTZ. He treated me nicer than AnonymousGuy did, and he believed men and women should be split down the Mississippi River!
I mean, I think I even said earlier that this could be a discussion, but it would take a lot of work. Anyone who tries to start the discussion in a troll-heavy environment, without establishing good faith, and then engages in condescending snark, insults (“herd animals” supposed to be a compliment?), passion aggression, etc., while admitting they change identity at will — not someone I will ever engage with constructively.
I hope misery thinks hard about what went on here. I hope AnonymousGuy goes away. Forever.
I hope they both step on Legos. And then on dry dog kibble, and then track the resulting mess into a white rug.
Poor Antz. All he wanted was virtual women and a continent divided down the middle. Was that really so much to ask?
hippodameia – let ‘em walk in fresh dog vomit before they reach the rug.
And in cat litter.
Used cat litter.
RE: Kittehserf
Well, at least I was able to realize his dream in fiction. *nostalgic nodding*
You are a benefactor to humanity, LBT! :D
“And you were, three pages ago, talking about PREVENTION.”
Was I? Perhaps I was. It’s thorny terminology. The website I linked uses the word “prevention” in a way that I think is maybe counterproductive but is nonetheless standard (the CDC uses it in white papers) to refer to really ANY kind of rape policy including criminal justice policy, educating men about healthy sexual relationships, etc.
This collection, for example, is called “The Psychology of Rape Resistance and Prevention:” http://www.raperesistance.org/research/index.html even though it contains mostly stuff I think you would all agree wholeheartedly with (the article I posted is 7 or 8 down the list)
“keep up, actively resisting violence once you are being assaulted has fairly shitty odds of getting the desired result.”
This is, maybe, the crack of light I was talking about. That’s an empirical claim you’re making. It needs some support. Do you have any?
In the Hollander paper she says clearly “Again, it is important to be careful
when presenting this material. Presenters must make clear
that self-defense involves a variety of strategies—emotional, verbal,
and physical—that women use to make themselves safer and
that presenting information about physical self-defense does not
imply that physical self-defense is the best or only choice for all
women.”
Which obviates about 90% of the responses to this line of argument that have appeared on this thread. Yes, of course it’s true that sometimes violent resistance is a really bad idea. Wouldn’t it be useful to know when those times are, and when violent resistance might improve your outcomes?
You can continue to take that as an insult if you choose to, but it’s not an insult. It’s an empirical question that can be investigated through research,
Seriously, Raul, just stop.
Fuck this.
New MRA/MGTOW rap, actually more interesting than AG:
“Wouldn’t it be useful to know when those times are, and when violent resistance might improve your outcomes? ”
And WHOOSH the point flies over his head. Again.
Rape victims are not mind readers. How is anyone supposed to know what any given rapist will do in any given situation? Has it ever occurred to you that a rapist might change his tactics? Or that he is likely to know you well enough to have the advantage, on top of the advantage of him being the aggressor? You didn’t even fucking READ what Pecunium said, did you, doucheweasel?
(Oh, and if you’re getting your “empowering” jollies thinking maybe I’m triggered by this, I’m not: I have the good fortune not to be a rape victim, and that’s not because I somehow managed to fight someone off. I’m expressing contempt for your more and more obviously trollish attempts to distress people here.)
Fresh dog vomit would work! I also remember a camping incident that involved raw sewage . . .
But there’s a SyFy Original movie calling my name, and I’m sure it’ll be better than listening to Raul wank endlessly on, so goodnight!
Trigger Warning, sorry:
Um, Anon, sometimes when you resist, the rapist gets super pissed and starts hitting you harder — like, in the face. “Wow, this guy is going to fucking kill me,” the victims thinks, then decides to stop fighting, because they’d rather be alive.
Anyway, you need to stop posting about this. You’re being really insensitive and ignorant. You need to stop. Stop now. It’s not funny.
MGTOW rapping?
That gives real point to the joke about “rap” having a silent C.
I suspect that AnonymousGuy is an attention leech. Let’s ignore him; maybe that’ll make him go away.
RE: kittehserf
Aw, don’t speak bad about rap. There’s a lot of good rap! And to be fair, I’d take it over slam poetry any day of the week.
LBT – I know, I was thinking the joke really applies to MGTOW rap. Rap’s so far from my taste I wouldn’t actually know what’s good and what’s bad, but anything with MGTOW in front of it could be safely assumed to be garbage. :)
Niters Hippodameia!
I can’t believe I actually listened to that whole thing.
There’s a lot of really awesome African rap. I should dig up some of my links and post, but I’m sleepy and that would be too much work.
Have your brains dribbled out your ears yet, Alex? :D
Eh, don’t worry on my account, cloudiah, if that’s what you had in mind.
I’m sleepy, but I can handle copypasta. Here are the lyrics to that rap video:
Nope, but I’m pretty sure I lost a few cells. I’ll never get those back.
Here, to wash your brain out, lemme put up some GOOD rap. (Though warning, there is one mention of ‘ho,’ mostly sneering at people who get into rap with the intent of getting them.)
Strewth, my eyes glazed over about a third (turd?) of the way through.
“Bewildered women askin’ bout where all the good men gone
The ones who die to fuel the world and make their pussies feel strong”
Good men are Kegel exercises?
Thing is with me, rap has a sound I find very triggering. It all comes under the heading of “doof doof” and we’re talking vomiting-level stress from that stuff in the past, stress that still has me on antidepressants. So thanks, but no, I’m not going to listen to it, however good the lyrics may be.
kittehserf, I get that. Not necessarily with rap, but certain beats I find very uncomfortable, though not to the same extent.
Bass in general gets me, but the whole range of stuff that can come under “doof doof” is the really nasty stuff. It’s one of several reasons I wouldn’t go to one of Mr Springsteen’s concerts – much as I love his music, I know it wouldn’t work!
I can’t quite place which beat, but if I go into a place and certain music is playing, I get my hackles up. Just seems like it sets an atmosphere for bad shit to happen even if it hasn’t for a long time. I’m always able to just get used to it, though, so hugs if you want them because that must really suck.
“Doesn’t help if you feel there’s something wrong about someone, but everyone in your circle minimizes your feelings.”
Urgh :(
Can I just say that a man who assaulted me, who I wasn’t confident enough to take to court (it was such a long time after the incident when I realised he worked at this place – he’d attacked me in a different location), works in a place where a lot of women my age come and go on a regular basis. Just the other day, some women were talking about some “comments” he’s made directly to them that were really inappropriate and some were laughing. But when a few women said that he made them really uncomfortable with his remarks (like I had been), there was a lot of “don’t be silly!”, “he’s just being funny!”, “he’s a little weird, but he’s harmless”, “you’re being paranoid”…
I wished I could warn them. But that would be illegal :/
It must suck to be someone that gives others the creeps when you’re actually a nice person, I can relate to that. But sometimes you should put more trust in your instincts. Being told that you’re horrible because someone makes you feel uncomfortable is really messed up.
Hugs to everyone.
Except AnonymousGuy, who seems like kind of an asshat. No hugs for you. (I am such a bully.)
“You didn’t even fucking READ what Pecunium said, did you, doucheweasel?”
That about sums it up, yes.
I had this long rant typed up, but AnonGuy doesn’t warrant it. It sums to — self-defense, effective self-defense, means the application of overwhelming force. Which will very probably leave you explaining to the cops that it was, in fact, self-defense. Assuming you’re both physically and mentally capable of it.
And you can practice all day and not be mentally able to do it when you’re talking a friend, lover, relative — the people who make up the majority of rapists.
Not that any of it is useful if you’re asleep, drunk, physically disabled (whether chronic condition or you sprained your ankle jumping off a handicap ramp [my brother is just special like that])
The point, I suspect you still won’t get it.
@myeyestheyburn,
I was going to go to sleep, but I saw your comment
And I wanted to say YES. YES.
Women are really taught to ignore their instincts (Ha ha, women’s “intuition”) while men are taught to heed them (“My gut told me to…”)
There is no magic bullet, but I want women to feel like they should trust gut instincts more than they worry about hurting someone else’s feelings. This is where I feel like there is a germ of truth in what misery posted (though AG managed to shit all over it), even though it was poorly expressed. I might be being too generous to misery. I have this tendency to bend over backwards trying to be as fair as possible to my enemies…
I hate to think I should have done anything differently and I’d hate to be told that, too. I don’t want to be a hypocrite or an asshole in saying that.
I was trying hard to seem polite, especially since the conversation I had been having with the man in question at the time had started out fine before the really, really creepy comments and questions. I wish I’d just left the second I felt uncomfortable, but maybe that wouldn’t have been possible anyway. I have no idea.
I’m just surprised we are encouraged to “listen to our hearts” in some circumstances, but when your heart is telling you that someone is a creepy asshole and you need to get away from them then you’re being a “paranoid bitch”, especially if you did get away and are talking about it in retrospect, apparently.
Hugs for others who’ve shared today, too.
I did some reading, and found out that the majority of victims surveyed in victimization surveys are victims of completed rape rather than attempted rape. So even if you, as AG would suggest, count attempted rapes as instances of successful rape avoidance (which doesn’t make any sense in the first place), a victim is much more likely to be raped than to get close to being raped.
Sources: http://www2.binghamton.edu/counseling/documents/RAPE_FACT_SHEET1.pdf
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/210346.pdf
1) “Nick” is just fine.
2) “Semi-unapologetically”? It has nothing to do with being apologetic or unapologetic – I’m just pointing out there are times where turning an issue into a thought exercise is diminishing it’s importance. As much as I like academic analysis on (say) Art or Philosophy, it is disturbing to see people act as if you can talk about certain subjects – which includes rape – into masturbatory armchair discourse that often deals with hypotheticals than it does actual incidences. It’s one reason I get sick of hearing business and econ majors treat the issue of labor rights as if it’s purely just an abstract concept than a real-life issue with real-life consequences. It just makes it easier for them to dismiss those said laborers when they’re reduced to being pieces in a game of rhetorical chess.
3) It’s hilarious to hear the accusation of “emotionalism” from someone who, not liking the fact people are disagreeing with him strongly, claims to be “bullied.” No, you made comments and people reacted to the comments negatively – which is going to happen in a discussion on a blog. We aren’t a forum at a university that needs to entertain every idea they come across.
4) As Katz said, there’s no pride in being that detached about an issue nor should being passionate about a subject – either due to personal experience or a sense of principle – be seen as some personal flaw. To act as if one should separate their mind from their heart on social issues is a disservice to that subject and what it involves, since promoting moral/ethical policy is big part of why such issues are talked about in the first place. It wasn’t done entirely out of intellectual curiosity or having heart-strings tugged.
So I just read through this wank-fest and just for the record, Raul? You’re not exactly making yourself look good here. “Tedious, manipulative weirdo with a grudge” is about the most charitable possible interpretation of the way you’re presenting yourself here.
Well, if you say you’re not mansplaining, then you can’t possibly be.
Some days I think if I had a time machine, I wouldn’t shoot Hitler. I would shoot Jonathan Swift for spawning a bunch of obnoxious manchildren who think they’re subversive literary geniuses.