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MRA Paul Elam: “This world deserves a jerk on the collar and a slap across the face and the flying spittle of rage.”

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A Voice for Men’s Flying Spittle Production Department

“Compassion for Boys and Men.” This, the slogan of Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men, has always struck me as a teensy bit ironic, given that site founder and head angry dude Paul Elam spends much of his time berating other men, and really only seems interested in showing “compassion,” if it can be called that, for those who not only agree with everything he says but also donate money to him.

Recently Mr. Elam ran across a four-year-old video that’s been posted to the Men’s Rights subreddit numerous times in recent days. It shows a young woman assaulting a campus preacher, and knocking him off a platform, after falsely accusing him of groping her. (The woman, a student at Middle Tennessee State University, was arrested and later pled guilty to assault charges, getting a year’s probation, some community service and a fine; the preacher suffered only minor injuries.)

But the fact that a few people in the crowd cheered for the attacker apparently convinced Elam that everyone in the world except him and a few of his pals are worthless pieces of crap.

Look at the crowd cheer this violent lunatic on. It isn’t just her that is the problem. We live in a psychotic world where women can do whatever they want to men, as long as they vomit up a lie, like “get your hand off my breast.” It is a world which praises sickness, as long as the person to suffer for it is male.

Well, actually, it looked like most of the people in the crowd were a bit shocked by her assault and the preacher’s fall, and several people came forward to help him. And I’m not quite sure how Elam managed to miss the fact that the woman in question was led off by police at the end of the video.

In this culture, most every woman is Sharon Osbourne. Most every man is Hugo Schwyzer.

By describing women as a bunch of “Sharon Osbournes,” Elam is not (I don’t think) suggesting that they are savvy, articulate women who’ve been able to not only survive but flourish in male-dominated industries; no, he’s making a reference to the one time that Osbourne made a horrible castration joke on national television, and suggesting that women are a bunch of evil harpies that love to fantasize about cutting men’s dicks off.

By referring to men as “Hugo Schwyzers” — Elam’s post was written before Schwyzer’s recent Twitter meltdown — he’s not (I don’t think) suggesting that men are all a bunch of manipulative predators who glom onto feminism as a way to exploit and manipulate women, but rather suggesting that they’re a bunch of obsequious manginas who let women walk all over them.

I feel confident in attributing these interpretations to Elam’s words because he’s made these arguments many times before. It’s pretty obvious that Elam hates women. It’s only a little less obvious that he hates most men as well.

But I don’t think it’s really this video that’s got Elam angry. It looks to me like he’s still stewing over a recent op-ed by libertarian anti-feminist Cathy Young — a writer in many ways deeply sympathetic to the Men’s Rights ideology — which took a passing shot at A Voice for Men and similar sites whose “steady diet of vulgar woman-bashing … discredits any valid points they may make.”

So far Elam’s site has run at least four other posts — possibly five? I’ve lost count —  responding to the single sentence mentioning AVFM in her column, including one by him and another by a “brigade” of self-described “Honey Badgers” (female MRAs), but Elam can’t resist the opportunity to point out yet again that he’s going to remain as angry as he wants to be:

I do not give a rat’s fucking ass about offending or upsetting any of them.

This world does not deserve MHRAs that are decent or measured or considerate of the mainstreams sensibilities. This world deserves a jerk on the collar and a slap across the face and the flying spittle of rage that it earns with each man and boy that it denigrates and abuses.

“The Flying Spittle of Rage” makes a much better — and more accurate — slogan for AVFM than that boring old “Compassion for Boys and Men.”

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Posted on August 12, 2013, in a voice for men, block that metaphor, evil women, false accusations, incoherent rage, manginas, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, paranoia, paul elam, playing the victim, YouTube and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 240 Comments.

  1. The Honeybadger Brigade? Are they fucking serious?

  2. This world does not deserve MHRAs that are decent or measured or considerate of the mainstreams sensibilities.

    Evidently!

  3. This world does not deserve MHRAs that are decent or measured or considerate of the mainstreams [sic] sensibilities.

    What, you mean there are such creatures? I thought the only thing the Men’s Hateful Rageboner Assfaxers were considerate of were said rageboners.

  4. What, you mean there are such creatures?

    Well, I’ve never seen them online or away from my keyboard. Yup, I’m pretty sure they don’t actually exist, or if they do they are careful to distance themselves from those who call themselves MHRAs (or MRAs).

  5. Probably because “decent” and “MHRA” are oxymoronic.

  6. Yeah, I saw that video the other day.

    This guy doesn’t realize that feminism (gender equality) means that some women are also terrible people (he should know, there are enough of them on his site). Pretty much anybody who sees this video find her action reprehensible. What the fuck does it have to do with anything?

    What’s pathetic is his efforts to foam people’s frustrations with bullshit. He’s like the Alex Jones of MRAs, just less charismatic, more inclined to conspiracy theories and much less known. Same effective marches in front of the White House, too.

  7. “The Flying Spittle of Rage”

    Finally he’s edging towards self-awareness!

  8. speaking of flying spittle….the commentaries on the spearhead are directing rape threats towards Hugo Fucking Schwyzer.

    I don’t like Schwyzer, but no, he doesn’t deserve rape threats.

  9. Oh ffs. Yes, Hugo is an asshole. No, that doesn’t mean it’s OK to send him threats.

  10. Over 2 years and an apology later, Sharon Osborne is still synonymous with Satan to them.

    I’d accuse them of nursing a grudge, but given how often they whine about being called to account for years of unrepentant jokes of rape and violence, nursing grudges is the least of their problems.

  11. “The Honeybadger Brigade? Are they fucking serious?”
    Yes. The article read like it was written by Karen Straughan who is now on a campaign on Youtube (Girlwriteswhat) to discredit an atheist woman who was sexually assaulted by a man at a conference.

    Paul posted a radio show where an anarchist interviewed him and the host said (paraphrasing) “It’s really terrible when special interest groups want ‘rights.’) Hahahaha. I don’t think Paul caught that. He was too busy trashing women and feminists with his flying spittle of rage.

  12. joyintorah18, does she have a video attacking the atheist woman? The most recent video on her channel seems to be a month old and on a different topic.

  13. @ David
    (I could be wrong) but I think joyintorah18 is refering to healthyaddict, who first posted a video of her assault a week or 2 ago, then posted samples of the MRA youtube comments discrediting her yesterday. GWW is all over her videos.

  14. Uh, I mean, GWW is all over the comments. She sent her brigade too, it’s really pathetic.

  15. Yeah, I looked at GWW’s comments and found this video from healthyaddict detailing her assault:

  16. Oi, I was hoping Hugo. Fucking. Schwyzer. would actually quit the internet, but threats aren’t okay. And are probably counterproductive in his case, any attention is attention after all.

    On topic — next up at 11, some women are shitty people! We’re now on the scene live where a woman has just done something morally reprehensible, feminists, what are your reactions?

    Um, women can be shitty people too? I mean, the idea that women are inherently polite and non-violent is actually pretty sexist.

    But doesn’t feminism say that women are superior to men?

    No, feminism means women are equal to men. And thus just as capable of being violent and nasty and generally bad people.

    Back to you in the studio!

    *cut just in time to see the reporter Owl start muttering “man bad, woman good”*

    ——

    I should go to bed, huh?

  17. Sharon Osbourne is one of those subcultural dogwhistles: No one who isn’t already an MRA (or versed in MRAs) would have a clue what they were referring to.

  18. Just read some of Karen’s comments on the whole situation. According to her, victim-blaming and accusing the victim of lying because of not reporting aren’t indicative of rape apologist attitudes at all. The fact that sexual assault is often frown-upon disproves the existence of a major aspect of rape culture. And most male rapists genuinely believe they aren’t doing anything wrong because they’re narcissists, whereas most female rapists aren’t motivated by “pathological” influences at all but rather “normative” influences.

    Can anti-feminists people just, like, try to see through her bullshit? The fact that she’s lauded as a “moderate MRA” is just pathetic.

  19. Seriously, what contributes to rape culture more than the notion that male rapists are just people who make honest mistakes and/or are mentally ill and therefore not culpable?

  20. I see people talking about the whole HealthyAddict fiasco, and here I am watching a video by HannibaltheVictor13 on why all the people being “skeptical” are outright jackasses who don’t know what they’e talking about.

    This one is long, but ya’ll should watch it sometime. Hannibal does a lot of MRA videos and they’re all awesome. Seriously, everyone go sub and like his videos, he gets a wave a MRA types giving him downvotes every time he makes a video burning them.

    This has been posted from my fancy new computer! Yay!

  21. Oh, and on GWW and all the fanboys with the whole “accusing the victim of lying because of not reporting aren’t indicative of rape apologist attitudes” stuff… I don’t see ANY of her fans doubting her own sexual assault story. If I was a huge scumbag I would demand she provide evidence for that.

    But I’m not a huge scumbag, so I won’t.

  22. If a woman clocked a guy who she said was groping her, I’d probably be cheering too. Cause, you know, gropers deserved to punched – if the woman is totally lying about it then that sucks, doesn’t mean women shouldn’t punch aggressive peverts creeping on them. I’m sorry some angry losers empathize with the Falsely Accused Male than the duped audience.

    But this is all really about one thing: these people need to nut up and/or stop faking it. MRAs are either some of the weakest, wimpiest goddam morons ever or they’re all theatrical idiots pretending to get angry at shit that doesn’t matter. Any Flying Spittle Of Rage™ that comes from a fucking pensioner like Elam is probably the result of his dentures flying out his goddam mouth like a frisbee – this oppression is so damn fake. I wouldn’t be surprised if half these people had to hold back snickers with the hysterical shit they write.

    “Dear reddit: I know I’m going to get downvoted for this but a female totally just yelled at me because I opened the door and so I shut it in her face and everyone in the GameStop erupted in applause and paid for all the cool indie games I was buying and then the manager came out and asked me if the bacon narwhals in the evening and then we had hot gay sex right then and there I am SO oppressed”

  23. thebionicmommy

    So Elam is blaming all women for the actions of that student at Middle Tennessee State University. And he has the register her site which is about bashing all women just for the actions of some female criminals as well as some victims of his anti feminist witch hunt. Yet the MRA’s actually say they are against the idea of collective guilt?

    I don’t see how they deal with the kind of cognitive dissonance you’d get from believing both of these statements at the same time.

    What, someone said a disproportionate number of rapists and abusers are men? How dare they hate all men!

    Hey, a woman did something bad. Why are women so terrible?

  24. “In this culture, most every woman is Sharon Osbourne. Most every man is Hugo Schwyzer.”

    Sexism? Where, exactly? Help me out, folks!

  25. Such stirring civil rights rhetoric. It reminds me of Dr. King’s “Tirade of Vituperative Abuse From a Birmingham Jail”.

  26. What, someone said a disproportionate number of rapists and abusers are men? How dare they hate all men!

    Hey, a woman did something bad. Why are women so terrible?

    Quoting for perfection.

    BTW, as fucked as Osbourne’s joke was, I thought these guys were all against PC humour and whatnot? Daniel Tosh can make rape jokes but Sharon Osbourne can’t make castration jokes? Dark humour knows no limits Paul, we’ve all been offended by jokes before.

  27. Honey Badgers? WTF? An animal famous for following little birds around to steal honey from bees. Who are mostly…female…and live in a hive…and do loads of work without the help of men… Maybe I do see where they are coming from.

  28. @misery

    I have no idea if HealthyAddict is one of the women mentioned in that post. Maybe? No way to tell, I guess. From what she and that post described it doesn’t sound like the same guy… but yea, I can’t say for sure.

  29. A libertarian anti-feminist, and SHE thinks they are ridiculous. Oh, that gave me a chuckle.

  30. “Elam and the Phlying Phlegm of Phear”, coming to the discount bin of a bookstore near you.

  31. @misery:

    No, not the same woman, though Myers has blogged on healthyaddict’s case too:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/07/29/ashley-speaks-out/

    (note the date in the URL)

  32. I love you guys so much, you make my little heart so happy

  33. The more Paul has hissyfits, the worse his little movement looks. When libertarian anti-feminists think you’re too women hating, you have a problem.

  34. I can’t find it now, but someone mentioned rape culture being teaching Steubenville students not to post picture instead of not to rape, well, this was hiding in my inbox —

    Remember the teen rape in Steubenville? Well now a U.S. Attorney in West Virginia thinks what teens should learn is not to document rape online–instead of learning not to rape.

    This is rape culture at work. Teens need and deserve to learn about consent, not how to get away with rape. Will you join me and demand the U.S. Attorney scrap this program for one that actually teaches respect and prevents sexual assaults?

    http://act.weareultraviolet.org/sign/steubenville_project_future?referring_akid=551.552343.4EVGcj&source=taf

  35. Quote:

    But I don’t think it’s really this video that’s got Elam angry. It looks to me like he’s still stewing over a recent op-ed by libertarian anti-feminist Cathy Young — a writer in many ways deeply sympathetic to the Men’s Rights ideology — which took a passing shot at A Voice for Men and similar sites whose “steady diet of vulgar woman-bashing … discredits any valid points they may make.”

    How unbelievably stupid can these MRA’s be? Are they honestly incapable of seeing that they really do this, incessantly???

    Oh, that’s right, I forgot for a second that they don’t care who they piss off, or alienate, because getting as much negative attention as possible is the whole point.

  36. The fact that sexual assault is often frown-upon disproves the existence of a major aspect of rape culture.

    Anyone who says this seriously is already misunderstanding what rape culture is. It’s not “He committed rape, so he’s a hero,” so much as “He’s a hero, therefore what he did can’t really be rape.”

  37. @Stoic Sophist, I think you’ve nearly got it, but it should probably be titled “Tirade of Vituperative Abuse from a Texas Condo.” XD

  38. Anyone who says this seriously is already misunderstanding what rape culture is. It’s not “He committed rape, so he’s a hero,” so much as “He’s a hero, therefore what he did can’t really be rape.”

    Yep. Or, “Boys got in trouble for raping a girl and posting videos of it online. Therefore it’s in our best interests to teach boys not to post incriminating videos online.”

    Not. Fucking. Kidding.

    http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201308080007

    Petition here.

    http://act.weareultraviolet.org/sign/steubenville_project_future?referring_akid=551.424435.xm8DPY&source=taf

  39. @leftwingfox- If they’re still mad about Valerie Solanas and the Titanic, I’m honestly not surprised that they’re still mad about Sharon Osborne. These people are CHAMPS at holding grudges.

  40. I gladly signed the petition.

  41. Healthyaddict specifically said that TAM(the host) handled the situation well. She also said that it was the hotel(the venue owners) that were the asshats.
    For clarity, Healthaddict is a member of the YT atheist community. She was not mentioned in the original post.

  42. Sorry Argenti, I have no idea how I missed your post, and didn’t mean to talk over you.

  43. Anyone who says this seriously is already misunderstanding what rape culture is. It’s not “He committed rape, so he’s a hero,” so much as “He’s a hero, therefore what he did can’t really be rape.”

    Well said.

  44. misery: Sadly, there’s been so much shit in the last couple months coming out of the atheist movement that the incidents are generally ‘new’–that is, there’s just more of them. Staying on top of it all, and encouraging the bloggers who’ve taken the lead on exposing this corruption, is one of the reasons I haven’t been posting as often the last couple weeks–the ‘grenade with the pin pulled’ post over on Pharyngula generated thousands of replies in a couple of days. The shitstorm’s just been… exhausting, frankly, and disheartening because of how much of it there’s been.

  45. BTW, as fucked as Osbourne’s joke was, I thought these guys were all against PC humour and whatnot? Daniel Tosh can make rape jokes but Sharon Osbourne can’t make castration jokes? Dark humour knows no limits Paul, we’ve all been offended by jokes before.

    Interesting double standard you found there. I’ve also noticed that some MRAs are offended by rape jokes directed at male rape victims, but think that anyone who doesn’t like rape jokes directed at female rape victims is just too PC.

  46. Oh, we all know what the PC hatred is about anyway. They like to pretend that those around them being politically correct means they CAN’T say whatever they want, but they just don’t want other people to hold them RESPONSIBLE for the horrible things they say.

    In that way, the double standard makes perfect sense. Just a bunch of whiney babies who want the world to kiss their ass and tell them they’re right all the time. Or, at the very least, not call them on their bullshit.

  47. There’s few things that will piss me off faster than the whole “Politically Correct” thing, anyway, since by nature, it’s a flat-out accusation of dishonesty. “Oh, you don’t really think that; you’re just saying that to look good for others.” My reaction tends to be, “If you really think I’m lying about what my views on this issue are, please feel free to fuck off, repeatedly and eternally.”

  48. @freemage- this is part of the reason why, as a religious person, I get frustrated by atheist sanctimony (when they are sanctimonious). It’s like “You think you are not steeped in patriarchal/ racist/ homophobic bullshit just because you have given up on God? Look at all of these examples over here!” I’m happy to work with atheists in my community who want to help with separation of church and state, or social justice issues, or generally making the world a better place. But the atheists who claim to be morally superior whilst perpetuating bullshit get extra side-eye from me.

  49. Petition signed. I included the following comment:

    It’s true, these boys would likely not have gotten in trouble if they hadn’t boasted of their crime online. However…their victim would still have been raped. They wouldn’t have gotten in trouble AND the girl would not be victimized if THEY HADN’T RAPED HER.

    You’d think on a U.S. Attorney’s salary, Ihlenfeld could afford to buy a clue.

  50. “Anyone who says this seriously is already misunderstanding what rape culture is. It’s not “He committed rape, so he’s a hero,” so much as “He’s a hero, therefore what he did can’t really be rape.”

    Seriously, thank you for this. I’ve never been able to articulate this so well when someone’s told me that I’m wrong that rape culture is real.

  51. grumpycatisagirl

    I also signed the petition. Thanks.

  52. Argenti Aertheri

    leftwingfox — no problem, that one bears repeating.

  53. @freemage: It’s almost as if the people railing against a concept of “political correctness” seem to think there is nothing more actively harmful to their freedom than to be considerate of other people. Hmmmm….

    @M Dubz: I hear that, and it’s why I rarely follow the Youtube atheists in particular anymore. They don’t believe in a god, sure, but that doesn’t give them the right to act all high and mighty about that fact. Especially when that seems to be the only social norm that they bother to apply good skepticism to. I’m not sure why racism, sexism or homophobia don’t require the same amount of examination to these people as a belief in a god, but they seem to be perfectly okay with upholding THAT status quo.

  54. petition signed and shared on Facebook.

  55. @entropistanon- Thank you! I always get cagey about critiquing the atheist movement, because it’s not like I have a problem with people being atheists (which lots of religious people do, and that’s not cool). The problem I have with them is when they are not living up to their social mission, which is actually a problem I have with LOTS of groups, both religious and not.

  56. If only human beings would just stop clinging to the notion that there are things (of any kind) that make them superior to other human beings . . .

  57. @Ally S, @grumpycatisagirl

    It was a major Eureka! moment for me when I figured that out. Sadly, a lot of people still don’t get it when I explain it to them.

  58. grumpycatisagirl

    I didn’t realize until I read that honeybadger brigade piece that damsel was a verb.

  59. M Dubz

    @freemage- this is part of the reason why, as a religious person, I get frustrated by atheist sanctimony (when they are sanctimonious). It’s like “You think you are not steeped in patriarchal/ racist/ homophobic bullshit just because you have given up on God? Look at all of these examples over here!” I’m happy to work with atheists in my community who want to help with separation of church and state, or social justice issues, or generally making the world a better place. But the atheists who claim to be morally superior whilst perpetuating bullshit get extra side-eye from me.

    An excellent attitude, and one I seek to foster in reverse. I think I know the factors that lead to that mentality*, but it’s still so painfully wrongheaded that it’s frustrating to deal with.

    You are, in some ways, pretty similar to myself prior to my adoption of atheism, in fact–I would call myself a political atheist–someone who believes in church/state separation, while still having faith.

    *******
    *: For the curious about how wrongheaded ideas form:

    1: One of the big claims that many religionists make is that faith in a Higher Power is necessary to have a moral code. One of the key points made by the new atheist movement is that it is, in fact, possible to be “Good Without God”. And yes, in many areas, this is considered a controversial statement.

    2: However, particularly among those brought up in unhealthily strict religious environments, there’s a need to internalize that position. Unfortunately, it’s very easy to go from, “[X] doesn’t mean I can’t be a good person,” to “I’m a good person because of [X].” (The reason the strict upbringing makes this jump easier is that individuals brought up in liberal, social-justice-aware religious environments–such as myself–have a much stronger personal experience that “good” and “faith” are perpendicular to one another, not correlative. Escapees from fundamentalist faiths tend to associate the often abusive social behavior with faith itself, failing to realize that they are making a categorization error.)

    3: This, of course, leads to them assuming that, if being an atheist means they are good, having faith must make other people bad. Again, if their personal experience doesn’t undermine that conclusion, it becomes a lot easier to make the error.

    And thus, another Asshat Atheist is born. To be clear, I am not excusing them by pointing out that upbringing plays a factor in all of this. Rather, I’m trying to account for the fact that so many of them are unable to see it.

    And of course, it hardly explains all of them. Dawkins was raised in the Anglican Church, which is growing more liberal by the day, and was often pretty milquetoast even before the 70s, but he still managed to get so full of the virtue of atheism that he can’t see where he’s screwing up.

  60. @M Dubz: I hear that, and it’s why I rarely follow the Youtube atheists in particular anymore. They don’t believe in a god, sure, but that doesn’t give them the right to act all high and mighty about that fact. Especially when that seems to be the only social norm that they bother to apply good skepticism to. I’m not sure why racism, sexism or homophobia don’t require the same amount of examination to these people as a belief in a god, but they seem to be perfectly okay with upholding THAT status quo.

    Perfect description, entropistanon. There’s a more recent thread on Pharyngula where PZ is talking about how movement atheism needs to avoid the whole heroes/leaders trap, and ponders if it’s possible. I’m inclined to say “Not while the whole movement side of it still falls into the same old, same old of White Dudes at the top of the heap, with precious little examination of their own privilege.”

    That whole grenade thread was … augh. And the person in question is now throwing legal bully-boy threats around, and the wording really suggests an effort to find the victim. Frightening.

    BTW are you new here, or recently delurked? I don’t recognise your nym (though with my memory that ain’t saying much). If so, have you received your Official Welcome Package yet?

  61. freemage – yes, I bet there are plenty of Anglicans who are streets ahead of Dawkins on social justice issues, especially feminism. He really outed himself with that grotesque “Dear Muslima” letter and his increasing squeals of protest when he was taken to task over it.

  62. 3: This, of course, leads to them assuming that, if being an atheist means they are good, having faith must make other people bad. Again, if their personal experience doesn’t undermine that conclusion, it becomes a lot easier to make the error.

    Yep. There’s a worse variation of this with skeptics. Skepticism is using the tools of science and logic to examine whether our beliefs are true. Sometimes a skeptic will simply claim that their beliefs are true because they use the tools of science and logic. Any actual or correct use of science and logic to the problem at hand is completely incidental to this claim.

    The happy fun time starts when they subsequently claim everyone else is emotional, irrational, or “not thinking for themselves” if they don’t agree with them.

    I like skepticism and logic. I can be wrong. In fact, I often am! As such, skepticism keeps me humble about my positions. It also makes me suspicious of anyone who becomes boastful of their superior logical abilities.

  63. Dawkins is only a biologist. He has no more authority to speak on morality or social issues than any other human being. He certainly doesn’t speak for the morality of this atheist.
    Also, I would like to point out that one can be a theist and a secularist. In fact, it has been argued that certain ideas within Christianity are part of what gave rise to the idea of secularism in the west.

  64. Keep in mind that the fundamentalist Christian movement might be explicitly anti-secular, but it is also relatively new and it’s a reaction to modernity. There are a lot of undercurrents in Christianity that allowed secularism to grow, one example being the Christian idea that powers of reason are a divine gift and that the search for truth leads to God.

  65. Part of the problem stems from the Intelligent Design/Creationism fight awhile back. When the conservative Christians started packing school-boards and state curriculum committees, the biologists realized that it was very much their field that was under attack. They came out in force, and I’m generally glad they did–I’d say at least 50% of the victory in the Dover decision came from the loud and unanimous voices from the scientific community that Intelligent Design wasn’t actually science. But a few, Dawkins among them, became ‘rock stars’ to the secularism community as a result of the fight–and thence began the hero-worship and pedestal-placement. Then, when they were shown to have feet of clay like the rest of us, the cognitive dissonance kicked in, hard.

  66. misery: Add to that Matthew 15, IIRC–“When you pray, pray not on the streetcorner like the Pharisees,” etc. When I was at my most fervent state of faith, I regarded prayer at high school football games to be one of the most absurd blasphemies I could imagine.

  67. Correction: Matthew 5:5

  68. I’ve noticed that rape joke double standard too. I don’t think it’s fair that men getting raped is seen a joke more often then female ones (though I think we all know women getting raped is still seen as pretty damn funny to a lot of people), but trying to just flip that standard around is selfish. They’re either both okay or both wrong, pick one.

    As far as the atheist community goes, after Thunderf00t lost his mind over Rebecca “don’t hit on me in an elevator” Watson, things got a lot more hostile (even though everyone knows that was more about his feud with FTB). I think all the anti-feminism stuff is what’s making all these douche-bags come out, I have a hard time imagining HealthyAddict would be getting quite the level of hatred if there weren’t so many people already assuming that atheist conventions are all bubble gum and rainbows and freeze peach, with that a few evil, stuck up women are trying to silence and ruin them (with *gasp* sexual harassment policies! BITCHES!).

    Now, I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be douche-bags still, but I think all the anti-feminism and anti-sexual harassment policy types on YouTube is making the attitude a lot more prevalent. I don’t think it’s what causing the problem, but it’s causing the attitudes about it. The MRM would have still found stories like this and jumped all over them, of course, but it’s extra depressing seeing how the regular YT atheists seem so prone to MRM influence. These people aren’t being skeptical, they’re being scumbags, and hiding behind the word “skeptical.”

    Those are my barely coherent thoughts on YouTube.

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