A Voice for Men UK: All Women Are Homophobic (If We Can Just Make Up Our Own Definitions for Words)
You keep using that word. I’m not even going to bother with the rest of this quote.
If you ever need proof that Men’s Rights Activists live in a world of their own, check out this, er, argument, found in a posting on A Voice for Men UK, the official British franchise of the American hate site we know so well :
All women are homophobic.
Whether the men being prejudiced against are gay or not is kind of beside the point – after all, ‘homo’ = man, ‘phobia’ = fear, therefore: ‘homophobia’ = Fear of Man – but, if you want to quibble over Greek & Latin etymology, perhaps we can at least agree on this: all women, to a greater or lesser extent, display the ‘symptoms’ we attribute to said condition: overt caution, fear &/or disdain of men.
Yep, that’s right. In order to find an excuse to call women “homophobic,” they’ve invented an entirely new definition for the word not based in any way on the actual etymology of the word “homophobia” (which is of course derived from “homosexual”) but on something they’ve just made up.
By this logic, the word “homosexual” would not mean “of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex” but rather “man sexual.” If we take this to mean “attracted to men,” this would suggest that all straight women with sex drives would therefore be homosexual as well. Brilliant, A Voice for Men UK.
The author of the post then uses this weird logic to make excuses for actual homophobia among straight men:
Female ‘homophobia’ is so normalized in our society that treating every man you meet like ‘Schrödinger’s Rapist’ is considered an ordinary, common sense fact of life – just so long as you are a woman. But if a man feels at all uncomfortable around another man sexually, he is presently branded an evil bigot for behaving the way all women do at all times.
A Voice for Men: they reject your reality, and substitute nonsensical unreality that allows them to say bad things about women.
Posted on August 2, 2013, in a voice for men, a woman is always to blame, antifeminism, crackpottery, homophobia, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, rape culture, that's completely wrong and tagged a voice for men, homophobia, idiocy, men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 289 Comments.
Kitteh — close. Math is misandry, particularly statistics. As are conditional clauses. Both of which are very much at play here.
Almost everything is misandry, one way and another.
Ahh, you’ve taken the red pill I see.
Also, whoever said that the commenting problem happens when you sign in on a previously opened window seems to be right.
LOL I’m taking so many pills at the moment that there may well be a red one in there somewhere. :P
I’d really want to see the way that question is worded.
Because 40% of women have initiated sex with somebody impaired by alcohol? Or 40% of women have initiated sex with somebody who’s been drinking alcohol? There’s a significant difference in the wording there.
I mean, for comparison purposes, the actual number of male rapists in the population, who admit to rape?
Between 4-8%.
So if 40% of women are initiating sex with people too drink to consent, and we assume multiple partners, then the number of men victimized ought to be approaching 100%.
Basically, this math is way the fuck wrong, and the reasons why just keep piling up.
I’m not much of a stats person but something seems a bit off to me too, given how poorly the 12 month data is matching up with the lifetime data. It’s not that that’s impossible, it’s that you’d expect there to be something specific that would explain why there was such a big gap, and so far I haven’t seen anything.
(Something that’s not related to either data collection methods or math issues, I mean – for the gap to be that big there should be some sort of social factors explaining why either straight women started raping a lot more, or straight men started feeling more comfortable about admitting they were raped, some time immediately before or during the 12 month period where the data changed.)
If your gonig to be exceedingly pedantic about the meaning of ‘homophobia’ then it literally means ‘fear of the same’ or ‘fear of your own species.’
‘homo’ literally means ‘the same’ as in ‘homogenic.’
‘homo’ when used to refer to people ,does not actually mean ‘man’, it means ‘the same kind as me’ which can be shortened into our words ‘fellow’ or ‘kin’.
Catching up on various threads here, so I’m not sure if this is the one where Ally linked the “feminist shaming tactics” thing, but I think the next MRA I argue with, I’m just going to use every one of those all in one comment, like so:
I suspect it might make for a good madlib too. I love how so much of it is actually usually things that some men say to shame women. Much of it, in fact, contradicts feminist belief (all the “man up” bullshit), and is unlikely to be something a feminist would say. A lot of it does actually apply to most MRAs we argue with. Sorry if they think being called out on their shit is a shaming tactic.