Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.
Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.
Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.
Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.
Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.
And a more graphic example:
And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.
For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.
And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.
The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?
Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.
British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.
First, for a little more background, see:
Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats
Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest
And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:
A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea
A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….
Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.
Why does it always come back to rape? by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman
Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …
[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …
The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.
If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage? by Elizabeth Plank
Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.
[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.
I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.
What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett
First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …
“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.
“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …
Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.
“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”
And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.
Posted on July 31, 2013, in actual activism, advocacy of violence, all about the menz, antifeminism, harassment, hate, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, no girls allowed, oppressed white men, rape culture, rape jokes, sexual harassment, threats, twitter and tagged Caroline Criado-Perez, harassment, misogyny, rape culture, rape jokes, rape threats, twitter, twitter harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 1,018 Comments.








As @kristineedscats alluded to, Twitter really does seem to be dragging their feet on dealing with online harassment. Yes, it isn’t amendable to an easy technical solution (though algorithms can be adjusted to do some of the heavy lifting), but yes human beings can (if trained) do a pretty good job of it.
So, Twitter: it’s time to GROW UP! You’re no longer a small player used only by (white male) tech people. You need to accept some responsibility, even if it involves complex and challenging issues and some balancing. That’s what it means to be a significant part of society. Deal with it.
Note that this doesn’t excuse the behavior of the @#$&*@% who harass and threaten. Online is not separate from the “real” world. Trolls: you need to GROW UP too. Free speech (freeze peach!) is not all about rights. It comes with responsibility, too. And, even in the US, threats to harm someone are criminal acts. Deal with it.
Right. I told a particularly homophobic joke and got shit for that, and it was deserved – I made it without a second thought and didn’t consider how it would come off. I made myself look like a fucking idiot and was adequately punished for it by others’ responses.
But, unlike here, I actually felt bad about it and apologized. I wasn’t going on and on about FREEZE PEACH as if nothing I say can ever be wrong.
Wow. Quark must be one of the most self-obsessed troll I’ve read here (and the bar is high). The response to Cloudiah’s link about space was epic. “IT MUST BE ALL ABOUT ME!”
And thanks for letting us know about the unwritten rules of this blog. I was unaware that as opposed to every other social networks, manboobz requires people to treat each other exactly equally whether we know them or not. I’m glad to know that Quark has made a decision that manboobz will transcend basic social rules from now on. I was under the assumption that, being a sporadic commenter, I had less social credit than people who comment every day. It’s not like building social ties and trust mean anything, amirite? I’m looking forward to welcoming steele’s next sock with flowers, cookies and a big hug. It’s the rules, after all.
You know, Quark, you share a lot in common with those threatening trolls, actually. Sure, it has been pointed out by others how your argument has structural similarities, but you also seem to have a massive sense of offended entitlement that makes your “right” to lash out against others more important than the damage you do.
The funny thing is that you are taking this so very personally. Are you 12? You remind me of one of my friend’s 12 year old daughters. Every time her dad tells her she’s not allowed to stay out past her curfew she whines about how “unfair” life is and how “mean” everyone is. Every time someone disagrees with her, it’s always about how the “whole world hates me”.
If you could have owned your mistake and learned from it, you could have avoided all this. No one knows you, how could anyone hate you? Your ideas are wrong and more so they are potentially dangerous. You have decided that it is more important to offend others and be nasty and hurtful to protect your (apparently) fragile ego and tissue-thin pride than to act like an adult and learn from your mistakes, and that makes your behavior and priorities contemptible. But no one knows you personally, so you are the only one making this all about you.
Now, MaudeLL, remember sarcasm is abuse.
Their 2013 schedule is here. I definitely digg their reading list, especially the biography of Assata Shakur.
Eh, nothing super secific or juicy freemage, but the typical suburban bookclubs that end up being really catty and about one-uping people rather than actually engaging with the text or challenging your perception.
titianblue: Funny, that’s just about what my experience here was, too. I can’t even remember what my actual offense was, at this point, beyond that it arose because I made a hasty and poorly thought-out choice of wording which made my intention subject to way more interpretation than I was comfortable with on afterthought–which isn’t surprising, because the apology was accepted, I resolved to change the underlying behavior (rather than focusing on not committing a superficially similar error, like, say, ‘using bad language’). Amazing how well that worked. It’s almost like this place has standards, which are easily met and thus, aggressively enforced.
Lol, Quark thinks zie knows all about my emotional state and how my mean meaniepants naughty words are totally hurting meeeee! Zie’s so caring, I’m so touched by this display of common humanity and generous interest in my wellbeing! I could just cry! That’s how moved I am, truly what an angel to point out how acids totally can’t be stored safely!
No, but really, fuck off, Quark, you disingenuous asshole.
Folks, I want to make one thing clear: I am NOT losing this tug-of-war. It may appear that way, but I would never let you drag me around just because you are stronger than me. I am choosing to be pulled over the line because I want to, since I have to go to bed sometime and I can’t just stand here for the rest of my life, but the important thing is that I’m ending the tug-of-war exactly when and how I want and the fact that you are all pulling on the rope has nothing to do with it.
@gillyrosebee
The Bronte sisters were heavily influenced by Romantic poets like Byron, whereas Austen was writing during the Enlightenment and, to my mind, reflects the sedate, rational feeling of the era.
Personally I like the wild abandon, naturalism, and darkness of the Bronte sisters.
I’ve been rereading Stephen King recently. I reread Under the Dome to get ready for the series (ugh) and then had a craving for The Stand again. I’m on Dreamcatcher now. I’ve been in a kinda weird place emotionally and have been seeking the comfort of old friends from a literary perspective.
@dustydeste – Swears and sarcasm? In the same comment!
*fetches fainting couch*
Joke’s on you, Quark: I store my vitriol in a glass container.
Hey, is anyone here watching Orange is the New Black?
“I know I WROTE those things, but even though all of you READ them in exactly the same way with no doubt about the interpretation, you are all taking me out of context and misreading my intentions, and it’s totally unfair, WAH!!!!”
Do all the trolls share the same script?
David! Seriously, you need to do the laundry!!!
Informal poll, y’all:
Is this:
combined with this
1. Gaslighting
2. Mendacity
3. Disengenuous fuckery
4. All the above?
4
Cheers, Briznecko, that sounds awesome! And I’ll second cloudiah’s request for the booklist! That’s one of the things I miss about grad school – great book talk!
Troll alert: Over 500 comments on a one-day old thread.
I guess this will be one of THOSE threads… the ones I don’t bother reading.
@BlackBloc
Indeed. It’s not even an interesting troll.
@gillyrosebee
That sounds like mansplaining to me. “I just want to reassure you little women there that you don’t have to be frightened.” The second part is just disengenuous.
I’m with you, SarahLiz (may I shorten your ‘nym?)! I am due for my annual re-reading of Jane Eyre. I never got all that excited about Heathcliff as such, but I very much loved the descriptive language of Wuthering Heights.
Speaking of which, any Kate Bush fans here? It was her birthday yesterday, so a belated happy Kate Bush day to anyone out there who loves her work!
So, I’m going to go make dinner, y’all. I didn’t want anyone to think that I was, you know, scared off by the troll blather or anything… ;-)
I vote for disingenuous fuckery, but I’ll be upfront with you that it’s mainly because it’s fun to say that I choose it over “all of the above.”
@gillyrosebee
Sure. You can call me SarahLiz. :D
And once again I uttertly fail at quoting
Slumber party? Slumber party?
Can I come too? I have STRAWBERRY FUCKING CHEESECAKE.
@Cloudiah
I watched Orange is the New Black a couple weekends ago. It was GREAT. So funny, so sad, so touching. I am always impressed when a show can make me care about so many characters at once. Usually I have a hard time telling characters apart or even remembering their names.
Hi everybody!
Regarding reading, I’m working on Acts of Faith, by Eboo Patel. I picked it up for world-building, not with the intent of actually reading for enjoyment, but I’m loving it! It’s by this guy of Indian descent from Chicago who’s Muslim and his ideas about religion, bigotry, and young people. He has some really cool shit to say about identity politics, and activism, and religion and racism in general. And it’s far easier to read than I expected!
I’m also reading O Human Star, a webcomic with queer and trans robots. I swear, it’s like someone said, “Hmmm, what can we make that’ll hit ALL of Rogan’s happy buttons?” and then made it.
And they have a trans character who is played by an actual real life trans woman!
Oh, books. Christopher Moore. I’m up to Sacre Bleu. Lamb (the gospel according to Biff, Christ’s childhood pal) was the funniest book with the saddest ending I have read recently.
I also read Great Gatsby recently, for the first time. An ugly story, beautifully told.
And, for some reason, I was reminded of the only bit of Rand’s Fountainhead I actually liked. At one point, Howard Roark and Ellsworth Toohey are alone, and the latter tells the former, “Nobody can hear what you say. Now is your chance to tell me what you really think of me.” Roark, puzzled, replies, “But I don’t think of you.”
Oh, and in honor of Quark, a song. (Warning: it’s from South Park, so just assume you’ll be offended.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48XreePDi8k
Hate Quark? Nah, she will just get the Full Ruby treatment when she comes back. It’s about what she’s worth.
And if she’s read MBZ like she says, she will know that means.
gillyrosebee: 4 with an emphasis on 3
@deniseeliza, I was pleasantly surprised. Okay, so it is centered around the experience of a pretty privileged white woman, but from there it is a pretty sympathetic portrait of cis & trans* women of color, complete with well-developed back stories. It’s not perfect, just surprisingly good.
Robert: I love Moore. A Dirty Job is one of my favorites and makes me wish I had a zillion dollars to make the movie version so it doesn’t get trampled by someone who doesn’t love it.
The thing is that some people who make threats are dangerous and do act on them. It doesn’t matter that the majority of people making the threats may not do anything, because it only takes one person to do something horrible. And as Gillyrosebee pointed out, these often aren’t just people making threats, but sharing people’s personal information, home addresses, info on their family members, routes to and from school or work. It’s naive to think that shit like that doesn’t create a potentially dangerous situation.
That doesn’t mean that women receiving rape and death threats should just curl up into a ball and give up (nor is it their fault if the emotional distress of receiving said threats is too overwhelming – people deal with emotional distress in different ways). It does mean that there is a real potential threat (both to individual women and to women in general) from comments and a culture endorsing and condoning violence against women, and those types of comments should be treated seriously.
Of course according to GNL, if women don’t want to get rape and death threats, they should just stay off Twitter/the internet altogether.
Yay, Moore! My favorites by him are The Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove and Fool.
Reading at the moment: snippets of The Long Farewell by Don Charlwood, about emigration to Australia by sail. I’m doing more knitting than reading at present.
I love P&P, though *the* series more than the book, but haven’t read any other Austen. Also very fond of Emma Thompson’s film of S&S.
Worst case I had of that was with Dogma. I’d wanted to see it because Alan Rickman. But I seriously could not tell the younger actors apart. That, and the characters seemed uniformly repellent.
I’m not caught up, and won’t be any time soon, because I have fish shit to siphon and that is honestly a more appealing concept than this thread.
Also, I propose we move the slumber party to tomorrow as pecunium and I are having a museum day and then I’m crashing at his place. Manboobz slumber party would just be so very fitting!
And now I seriously am going to go siphon fish shit, in the literal sense of the word shit, because that sounds more interesting than this thread.
Yeah I could have done without the privileged white chick focus character, but I definitely heartily recommend Orange is the New Black. Just try to make it past the first episode, which is kind of tedious :-/
I stopped being amused by the troll after about half way through the thread and just skimmed looking for non-troll-related posts after a while, tbh.
I saw that this post had over five hundred comments and got excited because I thought that everyone was going to be discussing all the great articles David linked in his post, but then I saw that the comments had just been hijacked by a self-centered troll and now I’m sad. :(
Eboo Patel! If you like Acts of Faith, I’d recommend looking up some youtube videos of him because he’s also a very talented speaker. He came to visit my college and gave one of the best speeches I’ve ever heard (and I used to speak competitively, for what it’s worth).
Quark reminds me of my ex somewhat. There is something terrifying about someone saying they won’t leave you alone in order to show you that you can’t ask someone to go away and be rid of them.
@Pear_tree
greed, there’s something really scary about someone who just doesn’t give a shit about the fact that you don’t want them around.
Also, you guys have much better taste in the books than me=p (I’ll pretty much read anything)
I bet your taste in music is better, too!
Agreed, not greed. Sheesh.
LOVE Moore!! I love Dirty Job and Lust Lizard, but nothing has topped Fluke for me. For some reason I couldn’t finish Lamb, even though I rather enjoyed what I was reading. Practical Demonkeeping is also an interesting look into an unpolished Moore.
I’ve only read Wuthering Heights and some of Jane Eyre. While I can appreciate the skill and talent of the Bronte sisters, they’re a little too dark and depressing for me. Ditto Margaret Atwood (although I think that’s also affected by the fact that Atwood was foisted on me in high school because I was new to the country, and my teacher wanted me to experience Canadian literature, while everyone else got to choose their books).
Your wish is my command, dear Cloudiah!
Still in their hospital swaddling.
Adrian, power-napping.
This was in the middle of February, mind.
Oh, the babies are so precious!
Anybody else get a whiff of that weirdly awesome baby-head smell when you look at baby pics?
Trolly McTrollerson suddenly reminds me a little of Ruby, and of Sunshine Mary. Not that the “oh you are so RUDE swearing is teh evil!” is all that unusual in our boring troll brigade. I”m not even sure those two indulged in it, but the vibe just reminds me of them.
@tooimpureangel
Pfft. You can come to my corner of manboobz then. One of my favorite authors is David Eddings, high reading he’s not :P
@Falconer
I can’t get enough of our miniboobzers
Ruby was the one who thought people getting raped in prison was HEE-larious, right?
Sunshine Mary doesn’t ring a bell.
This is my life. Four little eyes, constantly watching.
I name her Toe-Master, Corn-Hammer, Foot-Friend.
I think the only thing I’ve read by Christopher Moore is The Stupidest Angel, which was pretty amusing, but now I’m going to have to check out some more of his stuff. After I finish squeeing at Falconer’s babies, of course :D
@Shadow
The Redemption of Althalus is one of my favorite books! I haven’t delved into him much, though.
@tooimpurenangel
The thing with Eddings is that, when you read his series, you notice a lot of similarities in his characters, and even in the events. Some of it seems purposeful, but I think some of it is also due to his own limitations, as well as his love for those archetypes. It’s very similar to P.G. Wodehouse’s works in that regard (another of my favorites). When I read their books, it’s a very welcoming feeling because I’ve fallen in love with their archetypes, but I can’t argue with anyone who feels like they’re very limited as authors. Eddings also tends to have pretty black and white stories when it comes to good and evil.
Since it’s multiple choice, I choose multiples. 1, 2, and 3. And also 4.
Quark, the new topic train left without you a while back. If you’d like join tell us what you’re reading or comment on what others are reading.
Me? I’ve just reread “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich”, wonderfully dark and it always seems to have at least twice as much content as it should have given its length.
For some reason I just have an instinctive bad reaction to Redwall. I’m still trying to unpack why that is.
I enjoyed Redemption of Althalus the first time I read it (kitty goddess!) and the Sparhawk trilogy was okay, but it got a bit sickly-sweet after a while. Trouble with Althalus seemed to be that it was way too easy for the good guys to fix everything.
One pair of books I really enjoy is Sorceror’s Son and The Crystal Palace by Phyllis Eisenstein. I loved the Earthsea trilogy back in the day, but hated Tehanu.
RE: augochlorella
Eboo Patel! If you like Acts of Faith, I’d recommend looking up some youtube videos of him because he’s also a very talented speaker. He came to visit my college and gave one of the best speeches I’ve ever heard (and I used to speak competitively, for what it’s worth).
Oh cool! I didn’t know he was a speaker. I’ve been quite impressed so far, so I may have to check it out. I really did just pick up his book for story world-building shit, but then I started reading and I was like, “Oh my god, this guy is really interesting to read!” When I read his book, I want to make the world better, and feel a little sad that I’m so limited.
Speaking of things I CAN do, though, TOMORROW MY WRITEATHON OPENS, GUYS. YOU SHOULD MAKE ME WRITE YOU THINGS.
cloudiah
“Can I just tell you a funny story about myself & reading? Here goes. I was on a plane, reading a good book. I can’t remember what book it was, just that I was really enjoying it. We hit an air pocket or something, and the plane dropped super fast, and then went straight into terrible turbulence, bouncing all around, luggage spilling from overhead compartments. Since I am a nervous flyer, I immediately assumed we were crashing. My first thought was, “But I won’t get to finish my book!”
Yes, cloudiah sometimes has weird priorities.”
Your priorities seem just fine.
We played Saint-Saëns’ Danse Macabre at our Halloween concert last year. It was loads of fun, especially grouped with an arrangement of Night on Bald Mountain and a Phantom suite.
I’m officially reading The Ocean at the End of the Lane, but in practice I’m reading a lot of D&D and other RPG stuff because I’m running one game and planning another.
It was a big letdown when I realized R. A. Salvatore wasn’t all that great at plot, couldn’t write his way out of a paper bag, and had a whole stable full of grammar tics that irritated me. I haven’t gone back to Redwall in years, but I certainly recognized at the time that the animals were strongly divided between good animals and bad animals by species.
You don’t. Trust me.
@Shadow,
re: Margaret Atwood, have you tried Year of the Flood? It’s still dystopian, but there’s something about it that I like better than all the other dystopian books I’ve read, including Oryx & Crake.
Falconer, they are just getting cuter as they get bigger.
@Falconer:
That’s it! Thank you. It’s the hidden racism.
Annoying writing tics? Sharon Penman. Her insistence on using a comma instead of and used to drive me up the wall when I was reading her stuff. I don’t know if she was trying to save space or go for a faux-medieval sound (her books are historical fiction about the Plantaganets) but it was the reading equivalent of walking on badly laid paving and catching your toe all the time.
Oooh! Oooh! I almost forgot, my amazing discovery of last year! Jasper Fforde’s Thursday Next books, starting with The Eyre Affair
The Eyre Affair: A Thursday Next Novel
Can’t recommend it highly enough!!
Oh, The Jungle, another book I couldn’t get through.
Shadow: I left Lamb for a while and came back to it. It was better when I picked it back up.