Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.
Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.
Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.
Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.
Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.
And a more graphic example:
And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.
For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.
And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.
The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?
Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.
British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.
First, for a little more background, see:
Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats
Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest
And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:
A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea
A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….
Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.
Why does it always come back to rape? by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman
Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …
[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …
The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.
If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage? by Elizabeth Plank
Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.
[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.
I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.
What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett
First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …
“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.
“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …
Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.
“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”
And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.
Posted on July 31, 2013, in actual activism, advocacy of violence, all about the menz, antifeminism, harassment, hate, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, no girls allowed, oppressed white men, rape culture, rape jokes, sexual harassment, threats, twitter and tagged Caroline Criado-Perez, harassment, misogyny, rape culture, rape jokes, rape threats, twitter, twitter harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 1,018 Comments.








And once I’m done with Dick, I’m going to be reading Ocean at the End of the Lane–Neil Gaiman’s latest.
“Librarian fist bumps all around, even to the non-librarians. In fact, I hereby deputize all the good people of this comment thread as librarians-for-the-day. (Please leave re-shelving to the professionals, however.)”
If I get a full 24 hours of being a deputy librarian I will be happy as a hippo!
Side note: I’m reading Lord Jim by Joseph Conrad right now. It’s a tough read for me.
I can’t imagine why nobody wants to hang out with the person who thinks that you can’t have any say in what a community is like unless you’re actually in charge.
Ha! Good point katz. Mainly I’m trying to stick to the books I currently have on my bookshelf and those two looked the most seductive. Or there is the biography of Louise Nevelson…
I hate this moment, I am SO INDECISIVE when picking a new book, especially after I just finished a really good one.
When you say you are “sorry if” people were offended (when you know you have offended people and they have explained to you why and how your comments were offensive) that is an “ifpology” and it does not constitute an actual apology.
When you say you are sorry to offend but then point out how horrible other people are treating you in the same or in the next sentence, that is hedging your apology by using apologetic text to again refocus on your feelings, instead of on the feelings of others who you hurt with your behavior. It does not constitute an actual apology.
I would just like to point out that I began explicitly dealing with you in good faith, and I said in my very first post that
Explain to me how that means that I am determined to be unpleasant to you, please?
I loved Crime and Punishment. It’s been years since I read it.
Anyone here read any Knut Hamsun? I loved his writing, but the fact that he became a Nazi is hard to stomach. (I didn’t know that when I read both Hunger & Growth of the Soil, both of which I picked up on a whim in a used book store.)
Yes, you are disagreeing with me. You are also being rude and abusive.
However, this is not trolling, which was my point.
Presently working my way through John McPhee’s “Annals of the Former World”, which I have loved since I first read parts of it during a cross-country move.
Just finished “The Ocean At The End Of The Lane”, by Gaiman. Got it signed when he spoke in our city and he drew a ghostie on the page as well. Casting around for my next fiction read, considering Saladin Ahmed’s “Throne Of The Crescent Moon”.
It’s also nearly time to pick a new car book*- I read aloud to my spousal unit on long drives and it’s my turn to choose the book. Possibly “Beautifully Unique Sparkleponies” by Chris Kluwe, that would be fun.
*As opposed to books we keep in the car- state histories, guides to various parks and/or wildlife or geology therein. We’re book people and some stuff still isn’t available on an e-reader. Of course, we also have e-readers because books are heavy and it solves the packing two or more books everywhere we go because what if I finish this one and don’t have something to read?!? I am the grandchild of a librarian and two teachers, it’s in my blood.
Said no adult who was then taken seriously ever.
Anyone else notice that Dostoevsky has a thing for tall, dark, and handsome protagonists?
Loved Redwall, mostly because I’m a sucker for talking animals. These days the Mouse Guard graphic novels have taken that over.
I’m ashamed to say I’m not reading anything at the moment. Too much to do; and I have no self control when reading. I blame my mother; We both end up reading until 3-4 in the morning.
Meh. I didn’t hate Jane Austen, but I fell long and hard for the Bronte sisters first, so that affects my attitude.
Though am I alone in finding Northanger Abbey quite funny, actually?
@ gillyrosebee – I cannot control how others receive my apology.
It was genuine, but I can’t force you to believe that. If you really were engaging with me in good faith, then you would give me the benefit of any doubt and accept my apology.
But you haven’t, and instead keep nit-picking at me, which is why I say, you are determined to be unpleasant.
Can I just tell you a funny story about myself & reading? Here goes. I was on a plane, reading a good book. I can’t remember what book it was, just that I was really enjoying it. We hit an air pocket or something, and the plane dropped super fast, and then went straight into terrible turbulence, bouncing all around, luggage spilling from overhead compartments. Since I am a nervous flyer, I immediately assumed we were crashing. My first thought was, “But I won’t get to finish my book!”
Yes, cloudiah sometimes has weird priorities.
The book club I’m kind of ostensibly part of is reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep this month, so I’m debating whether I’ll pick that up and actually go to a meeting finally.
Trollerskates: If you post a couple of comments about the OP and then spend four pages whining about how people are treating you, it gives the impression that you actually just wanted to talk about yourself and your feelings and how people should treat you. Which, if the other people didn’t want to have a conversation all about you, which is a surety, will not lead to people falling over each other to engage you on your terms.
@ katz – sorry, but trying to shame me out of sticking up for myself against bullies won’t work.
Ooh, Mouse Guard is great! Very much a spiritual successor to Redwall but I think it’s better realized.
Shame you? But I didn’t use a single swear word!
Shaming someone is completely different to swearing at them, Obviously.
@cloudiah, Watership Down is FUCKING AWSOME!!!!!11!!!!1!!1!!!
It’s one of my favorite books, actually, and I’ve returned to it again and again. I actually got paid for a litaray piece I did once comparing WD to The Odyssey and I wrote my English AP thesis on the various political theories embodied by the different rabbit warrens. There is so much there, so many layers of great narrative. When you finish, I recommend The Plague Dogs, though I suggest waiting until you are feeling in a pretty happy place, as it is OMG so sad at the end!
One time I was reading a biography of Groucho Marx on a late evening flight. Most of the cabin was dark and the passengers around me were napping. At one point I was so absorbed in my book that at one of Groucho’s choice and hilarious comments in the book I laughed out loud in a VERY quiet cabin. I got alot of weird stares after that, but I feel like I also earned some kind of an awesome nerd badge as well.
So I repeat, what did you do that necessitated an apology?
“Shaming someone is completely different to swearing at them, Obviously.”.
So if I tell you to fuck off and feel no shame in doing so, you’ll disappear? DEAL!
That’s a good doctor. Would you believe I was once chastised by a fucking medic while I was in a fucking ambulance suffering from fucking anaphylactic shock? Apparently it’s not okay to swear when you feel like you’re fucking dying.
Shall I take that as an admission that you did show up with the original intent of talking about yourself, then? Of course obviously you did whether you admit it or not.
@ Chi – Uhh…. Apologised?
It doesn’t seem to work, unfortunately… I assure you I’ve felt no shame in doing so.
Fuckin’ repeatedly.
@ katx – uhh,,,, No. You should take it as an admission that I’m not a doormat and I don’t let people attack me endlessly without standing up for myself. Bullies hate it when you do that, don’t they?
You guys! There’s apparently an oddly dense spot in the universe.
Do you think that’s where trolls go when David bans them?
Ah, Lovecraft. I was reading his work when I was too young to notice how racist it so often was. It’s almost embarrassing to read Call or Red Hook now, and imagine how my teenage sons would think of it. Foucault’s Pendulum – wonderful. I think I’ve read it three times. Curious, but it was the Belbo-sections that slowed me down – his autobiographical reminisces were less engaging to me than the High Woo stuff.
oh, and the ten pound note looks great.
Yes, the fact that you keep telling me to “fuck off” and I don’t will maybe illuminate to you that this strategy doesn’t work and stop you doing it.
@Briznecko, I did the same thing once while reading a New Yorker article on Eurovision. Reading nerds unite!
Watership Down I’d not one of my personal favorites, perhaps because I didn’t read it as a child, but I really appreciate that it’s about the only talking animal story that takes into account that animals have different cognitive abilities than people.
DINGDINGDING
Time to ignore the self-obsessed troll.
I do but, hey, we make mistakes. I’ll admit, rereading the post, I misread. I’d of edited were that possible to fix that.
You’re right that I misread it, so I apologize for that.
However – the rest still applies to you. You have an unwarranted sense of entitlement for someone who is not only new to visiting this blog but expecting people to not react negatively to your posts. And, yes, it’s the kind of trollish behavior we’ve seen on this blog.
I’m not the one who is making himself a martyr because I can’t stand dealing with criticism…oh, sorry, “bullying”. ‘Cause it’s never free speech when you don’t like it…
Cloudiah… David hasn’t banned me. Maybe he will. Maybe he will ban you. Who knows? But gloating “nerr nerr, you’re going to get banned” when, uh, I haven;t been banned, kind of makes you look a little silly.
Speaking of recent flighs, I went to Alanya, Turkey, some months ago, and as we came in for a landing in their new airport at Gazipasa we went right through an actual thundercloud. I had a window seat and an actual bolt of fuckin’ lightning hit just below it.
cloudiah: *fistbump*
Someone on Twitter (please don’t make me go and find out who) commented that the rape-threateners are stupid not to realise that when the police come knocking at their door, they (the police) will be examining every pc, laptop, talbet & mobile they own. I liked that thought.
One thing I have noticed is that self-centered people think everything is about them. Today in tautology.
@Quark
Ok, I’ll break this down. Saying “I’m sorry if I offended” is not a sincere apology; it’s couched with that weaselly “if” that abdicates responsibility. So I, assuming that you are sincere in your desire to apologize, am asking you what you feel you did to offend people. Then, once we’ve established that, we can formulate an apology in the mold of “I’m sorry I [did thing] that offended people”
@saintnick – thanks for your apology.
However, this idea many people seem to have that they have more “rights” to attack others because they’ve been here longer is absolutely stupid and childish.
This isn’t some high-school clique with a secret handshake. It’s a public internet blog and everyone has equal rights to comment here, unless and until David bans them. That’s it. You don’t become less “deserving” of abuse just because you’ve been here longer. No-one deserves to be abused and to say otherwise is bullying and victim-blaming, pure and simple.
Nah, bro, it’s kinda fun, tbh. Plus, who knows, maybe at some point you WILL fuck off! And then we’ll have a party!
By which I mean we won’t have a party, do you really think you’re that important? (I’m pretty sure you do.) We’ll just go back to our usual pleasant space until the next troll wanders in or back. Now please fuck off, you’re clearly not enjoying the atmosphere here, so unless you’re staying to piss everyone off (I am pretty sure you are still here because you enjoy pissing people off), I can’t for the life of me imagine why the fuck you’re sticking around.
Again: FUCK OFF, QUARK, NO ONE LIKES YOU HERE.
@ Chi – okay.
I’m sorry THAT I offended people.
Is that really what this is about, the difference between “if” and “that” – ?
I am staying here for just the same reason abused women out internet trolls.
To show you you cannot bully, harass and otherwise intimidate people into silence.
So get used to it.
You missed the point. You explicitly, specifically got the benefit of the doubt in my first couple of posts. I also explained to you why the stance you were taking was unhelpful at best, and damaging and hurtful at worst.
You did not apologize or even engage with any of that.
I was very clear and direct about what I found problematic and why, and why you needed to take a step back and learn a little bit from people who have more experience with the situation than you do. You insisted that your feelings about people using swearwords were more important than getting it right when talking to people who are legitimately being threatened online. No, you didn’t say that, so please spare me the “why are you misrepresenting me” whine. What you did was ignore those points completely and go on and on and on and on about how mean everyone is.
You are wrong about the implications of internet harassment and its potential for harm beyond the bad feelings such speech may incite in those who are subjected to it. Moreover, the ways in which you are wrong (and yet insist on “expressing your opinion”) may cause people to disregard real danger and not take necessary steps to protect themselves when they are facing harassment, and it also tends to diminish and dismiss the experience of those who have been harmed.
You have not apologized for this.
It does not matter what your intentions are if you actually harm people.
It is not an apology if you are more focused on your feelings than on those of the people you have harmed.
This is not trivial. This is not “nit-picking”. This is the key at the center of the matter. Your feelings are not as important as those of the people you harm with your insistence that you have a right to your (misinformed, erroneous) opinion and a right to share it with everyone who doesn’t explicitly block your IP address.
You’re not going to get banned, Quark. You’re going to flounce. You’re going to angrily announce that you’re leaving and stomp off and then in all probability come back later and pretend it never happened. And every time you announce that you’ll never leave it makes the future flounce more glorious.
Ooh great leader, I implore you not to wield your mighty ban hammer. This one must self destruct on her own.
Look at this beautiful street in Porto Alegre:
To everyone who hates me – obviously at some point I’m going to have to stop this for today and go to bed (it’s late here), but please don’t be so arrogant as to assume that means you’ve “won” with your bullying and harassment. I will return another day. I like David’s blog, and won’t let nasty, ill-mannered people stop me from engaging with it.
@ katz – I’m hardly going to say I’ll “never” leave. One day I will die, as will we all, so my eventual leaving is inevitable. But I will keep coming back for as long as *I* want to.
I read it again not too long ago and found it more enjoyable the subsequent time. It also kind of helps to have watched Blade Runner, its film adaptation, prior to the novel. Philip K. Dick has an odd style and – as such – a lot of the concepts dealing with religion and sociology and history are hard to get at first. It tends to be more about the setting than the characters as it was with the movie (though the aesthetics involved were amazing), many who are basically plot vehicles to showcase it.
katz called it! Your prize, a kitten from the early 1900s:
gillyrosebee… well, fuckin’ done.
Quark, all you’re proving is that you’re a fucking obstinate troll who can’t admit that zie was fucking wrong. For the fucking umpteenth time, no one is fucking abusing, bullying, or harassing you. We just dislike you and your fucking misinformed and awful opinions, and want you to fuck off, and, at least in my case, are attempting to relay that feeling in the most fucking vehement way possible.
Get used to that, fucker.
I just love when people insist that you’re not accomplishing anything but then want you to stop anyway. Reminds me of Wheatley from Portal 2 being all like you’re definitely not going to defeat me, so obviously you should just jump into that masher and not try to fight me at all.
You completely misunderstood the “regulars” and “been here longer” comments, didn’t you, poppet? Let me explain.
Everyone says something wrong on here, sometimes. Regulars tend to get the benefit of the doubt and it is assumed that they offended people in error rather than by intent because (and here’s the important bit so pay attention) we know them and know that when the offensive posting is pointed out, the regular will apologise and try not to do it again.
You, we don’t know so well. So you don’t get the same leeway, at the start. And on tonight’s showing, you never will.
Simple as that. No special rights for long service, just a little well-earned trust.
Oh, My Precious…. Please don’t give yourself airs. I sincerely doubt that even hellkell ‘hates’ you. You just aren’t important or effective enough for us to bother with hate. We’re mocking your pathetic little whinefest, and urging your departure in a manner that varies according to our individual temperaments, but no, no hate. You are a source of bemused irritation, at most. Sand in a bathing suit, that’s you.
We save our hate for the big guns; you’re not even a little squirt.
No, it’s that I don’t get the impression that you know why you’re apologizing. I notice that you have left out the [did thing] portion I suggested. Why might that be?
I found a booclub hosted by my library that specificially deals with social justice topics. I’ve heard so many horror stories about bookclubs I’m a tad hesitent…but it’s hosted by the library and it just sounds neat! I should probably just show up and see what I think.
Quark is leaving because she wants to, not because we tell her to!
Ooh, Briznecko, if you go, would you mind posting a booklist?
But Quark was given the benefit of the doubt up until she claimed that sarcasm is harassment.
Briznecko: Aww!
briznecko: Okay, my curiosity is piqued. What sorts of horror stories do you hear about book clubs?
You know, vitiriolic anger is like an acid and causes much more harm to the vessel it is stored in than anything it is poured over.
All this venom and vitriol you throw at me is damaging you too, whether you understand that or not.
Cue more mockery, abuse, etc etc.
Oh, and by that time she had already tripled down on the whole “They’re not real threats” meme.
Now I’m getting quite nostalgic for my first few postings on here. I was so nervous I’d say something stupid, I kept them really short & bland. Must have been some of the most boring comments ever.
Took me a few months to say something really stupid – a moment painfully thoughtless ableism that got me short shrift. Strangely, I apologised immediately, promised to try my best to do better and that was that. :-)
Seconding Cloudiah on the booklist request!