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Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making  videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.

Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.

Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.

Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.

Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.

And a more graphic example:

And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.

For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see  Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

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And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.

The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?

Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.

British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.

First, for a little more background, see:

Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats

Twitter faces boycott after ‘inaction’ over rape threats against feminist bank notes campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez

Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest

And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:

A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea

A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….

Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.

Why does it always come back to rape?  by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman

Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …

[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …

The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.

If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage?  by Elizabeth Plank

Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.

[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.

I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.

What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett

First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …

“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.

“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …

Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.

“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”

And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.

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Posted on July 31, 2013, in actual activism, advocacy of violence, all about the menz, antifeminism, harassment, hate, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, no girls allowed, oppressed white men, rape culture, rape jokes, sexual harassment, threats, twitter and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 1,018 Comments.

  1. @Kristineedscats
    I like S&S as well. Though for some reason I can’t stand Emma, that said the modern remakes of Emma generally seem to work well which may say something.

  2. I adore Pride and Prejudice. It’s really weird, but every time I read it I discover something I hadn’t noticed previously that helps me appreciate it on a deeper level.

  3. heh, so I apologise and you ignore it, whereas when someone apologised to me, I graciously accepted.

    Lemme see here, no all I see is a fauxpology:

    I am more than happy to apologise if anything I said offended or upset anyone. I apologise.

    Tell me, what do you think you did wrong that you need to apologize for?

  4. @Quark, can you repost your apology? I must have missed it. Not being sarcastic, this thread is moving quickly and I’m checking it while working.

  5. I was one of the people that was threatened by Markuz/Mabus (the Canadian guy who was arrested for threatening atheists and skeptics) and while I didn’t receive anywhere near the volume of threats some people got from him and he sent the same threats to many other people it was still really distressing. I have a pretty thick skin but being told he wanted to cut my head off shook me up. I’ve received other threats online as well and honestly I’m not sure how anyone can handle the torrent of abuse they get, just the trickle I get is hard enough.

  6. I actually don’t care for Jane Austen at all. Hey, what are people reading now? I’m reading Watership Down, which I never read before. I’m interspersing it with the Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, which so far has been very dry — mostly about pottery shards. I think it’s about to get better. Then it’s on to John McPhee.

  7. @AK – I did engage with you – I said I agreed with your argument, as well as your criticism of mine.

    However, whether you see it or not, people are dehumanising me, by complaining I have hurt them, but not caring at all if they hurt or upset me – actively wanting to, in fact, and telling me they want to.

    It is jarring and horrible. They are doing the very thing they claim to despise. They think their feelings matter but mine don’t – this has been openly stated.

    I have apologised for hurting anyone’s feelings which I genuinely did not want to do.

    People want to hurt mine and then mock me for daring to object.

  8. @tooimpurenangel
    That’s the thing about really good books, every time you read them you find something new.

  9. @cloudiah

    I’ve been trying to get around reading Sexing the Body by Anne Fausto-Sterling, but…I dunno, I’m just too tired to read long books after work. V_V

  10. hellkell, I’m not a librarian, but I’m totally with you on not being able to get into Austen’s stuff. Just never really struck a chord with me, I guess.

  11. hometeampaper

    @ hellkell

    I had the same problem with Emma, then I read Pride and Prejudice and there was no comparison. I haven’t read Sense and Sensibility, but P&P seems like a good bet.

  12. @chibigodzilla, OK, I give up. If that’s what Quark considers an apology, I’ve definitely been wasting my time.

  13. @cloudiah:
    Watership down? I love that book, it’s about the best “talking animal” book ever. Right now I’m reading Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition, amazing book.

  14. I really didn’t care for Emma at all.

  15. Hyena Girl, now you are trolling. You are very wrong about my original post and you know it.

    Problem is, that is precisely the impression everyone else got from your comment, and when we tried to point that out to you, instead of apologizing, you doubled down on your assertions and started telling everyone what we were allowed to say and how we were allowed to say it.

  16. I’m reading Wanted by Sara Shepard right now =)

  17. @gillyosebee – heh, so I apologise and you ignore it, whereas when someone apologised to me, I graciously accepted.

    All snark aside, where did you apologize? I have yet to see it in this thread. The bit I quoted was weasly and self-justifying and was not an apology. An apology contains an expression of regret without mitigation or self-justification. If you did that, please point it out to me?

  18. It was not “self-justifying”. You are just determined to be unpleasant to me at any cost.

  19. @Hyena Girl

    Emma was the last that I read and I enjoyed it because it was *different*. But I’ve heard that is why some people don’t like it.

  20. As far as S&S goes, like I said, it’s not my thing, but the husbutt’s into it and is currently planning a bit of a vlogpost on how, in fact, it is not the case that all women secretly want to be Emma. I love my husband <3

    I am currently reading a manual called Grammatically Correct in an effort to learn the actual rules of grammar, as I've mostly learned it by rote, rather than by rule. I'm super amused by the clear fact that it was written by a Canadian, which makes it perfect in my eyes.

  21. grumpycatisagirl

    Just so someone says it: I like Emma.

    I like Watership Down too. When I was a kid my hamsters were named Hazel and Fiver even though they weren’t rabbits.

    And I am also a librarian.

  22. Love, love, love Watership Down!! As far as talking animals go, I was a fan of the Redwall series when I was younger, but I haven’t read them again after growin up so I dnt knw how well they’ll hold up now.

    I have a collection of Jane Austen’s works, but the only books I ever enjoyed were S&S and P&P. Although, I dnt knw if it’s just me, but sometimes it feels like I’m reading the same book with different names when I read those two.

  23. Watership Down is such a great book. cloudiah, make sure you have plenty of Kleenex on hand.

    I’m reading Stephen King’s Dance Macabre right now. It’s outdated in some ways, but his analysis of horror is pretty solid overall.

  24. Another librarian! Our takeover continues apace.

  25. I’m reading Small Gods right now (It’s not a manboobz literature discussion if Pratchett isn’t represented :P)

  26. deste: “Husbutt???” That’s disrespectful and bad, or something.

    I’m kidding, I’m totally stealing it.

  27. @hellkell:
    I’d really recommend Supernatural Horror in Literature as a followup to Dance Macabre. Lovecraft’s problematic for all kinds of reasons but his take on horror really was spot on.

  28. Quark | July 31, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    @ hellkell – why do you feel it necessary to swear so much and be so aggressive? It is really unpleasant and unnecessary,

    Dear Fecal Mark Left Upon Cloth Undergarments:

    I would like to express my sincere, and profound desire that you rapidly fornicate whilst on your way unto another locale.

    Barring that, I devoutly hope that one day you will come to understand what a slime-covered piece of excrement you are at this time. Also, please understand that simultaneously claiming to have read 50+ threads on this site, AND to have no idea what the term “tone-troll” means, suggests that you are either a fornicating dissembler, an illiterate bag from a feminine hygiene product, or, in all probability, both.

    Thank you for your time, and feel free to tread upon the Legos on your way out.

    Sincerely,
    Freemage

    ****

    That non-swearing enough for you?

  29. I’d recommend P&P to anyone new to Austen – much the most approachable of her books. My personal favourite is Persuasion – I love the subtle humour and Anne is such a lovely character, quiet and gentle but with none of the irritating whimpishness of Fanny Price.

    Ironically, I’m just trying to finish off Pride & Prejudice & Zombies. Sadly can’t recommend it as the co-author has massacred the characters of Lizzie & Darcy, as well as most of the inhabitants of Meryton. Next on my list is Blue Lightening by Ann Cleeves – hopefully another excellent Shetlands murder mystery.

  30. @Freemage,
    Yes, but what are you reading now? It’s a far more useful and interesting topic.

  31. I haven’t found that Redwall aged terribly well, but I’m pretty critical when it comes to rereading things I loved as a kid. It’s certainly better than some other stuff I adored, so there’s that.

  32. I, for one, totally dug Northanger Abbey. Very different from her other stuff.

  33. Lovecraft’s problematic for all kinds of reasons but his take on horror really was spot on.

    Oh, Lord, He and Medusa’s Coil

  34. @titianblue
    P&P&Z is more or less just a gimmick book, sad because it could have worked.

  35. @ fremage – haha! Not a linguist, are you?

    To fornicate – to have sexual intercourse with someone to whom one is not married.

    Thanks, but I don’t think I need your help in that area!

  36. Why you go invisible, blockquote monster?

  37. Hyena Girl: Sorry, the lit discussion started after I started typing that–this thread really is moving along. My tome du jour is The Zap Gun, by Phillip K. Dick. Intriguing premise.

  38. And the Horror of Red Hook seraph4377, don’t forget that one. On the other tentacle, At the Mountains of Madness.

  39. @Freemage:
    Just teasing. And as for your tome du jour, Dick really is fantastic (enjoy the straight line).

  40. “Foucaults pendul” is pretty good.

  41. @Hyena Girl, yes, definitely sad that P&P&Z was the dream mash-up of two of my favourite genres :-(

    I love Northangar Abbey too but only once I’d read The Monk and the Mysteries of Udolpho and so finally got that it was a parody.

  42. Yeah, the Redwall series is one of a vanishingly small number of books I’d heartily recommend to children but which don’t hold up very well for adults. I think Redwall itself is good, Mossflower has strong parts, and then the quality drops off quickly.

    Very very sentimental for me though.

  43. I’ve been meaning to read P & P again, and then read PD James ‘Death Comes to Pemberley’. English murder mysteries are my favorite.

  44. Some one earlier had wanted pictures of Falconers babies, but i’m not falconer so I don’t have any- but this picture is funny:

  45. @dustydeste

    Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised. OTOH, I do tend to have an affinity for childish things, and I’m very susceptible to nostalgia, so who knows :P I happened across the cartoons a couple of years ago and found them somewhat entertaining.

    And speaking of adaptations, I know people have some mixed views about it, but I also loved the Watership Down movie.

  46. I am currently reading Dostoevsky. The Russian novelists are a major gap in my literary education and I’m fixing that.

  47. I have said countless times internet threats are very bad, and those who make them should be exposed and punished.

    But you also said that women shouldn’t take the threats too seriously, because almost nothing ever comes of it and you had never heard of someone being attacked by one of the people who threatened them online.

    Have you any second thoughts about those assertions?

    Helping people to feel safe is NOT the same as telling them to grow a thicker skin. I have never, ever said or insinuated people shouldn’t be upset by internet abuse.

    You said this

    But just to reassure women who doubtless feel threatened by this – there is almost certainly no real-life threat.

    and this

    I think it is important to realise these threats are not “real”

    and this

    It’s all designed to frighten and intimidate, but it is important for your own peace of mind to realise the huge, huge gap between someone typing a violent threat on a keyboard, and actually doing anything violent in real life.

    The gap is not all that huge when viewed from the other side. It is more realistic to take these threats seriously and part of doing so is to distinguish actual attacks from simple rudeness, because no one has any duty to be cordial to you, especially when you are wrong and it is pointed out to you that your wrongness is hurting others.

    When you were corrected, that the danger is real and actual and expressed at many levels, and that your comments were both hurtful and potentially harmful, you doubled down and started complaining about how mean we all were.

    Of course, you also said this

    to call someone else out on their behaviour is not “trolling”

    and then accused people who called you out for trolling, instead of taking a good hard look at that behavior.

  48. Hyena Girl: A year or two ago, now, I got to see a play loosely based on At the Mountains of Madness. It was a little independent production, but it was really brilliant. The ‘stage’ was simply the loft the play was performed in; they had set-pieces all around the room (a church, a hospital bed, a reading chair/lamp, a desk with a classic ‘heavily notated map/bulletin board’ behind it, a storage room and a lecture hall), and the action would move from one point to another as the script dictated. The audience just wandered around during the play, so your ‘seat’ was essentially based on how well you judged where the action was going to be.

    Obviously, the set-up was the exact opposite of disability-friendly, but it was VERY powerful–especially when, during the climactic fight between two of the characters, they tumbled towards a spot on the wall, which just happened to be where I was standing! I literally had to jump out of the way to avoid getting rammed.

  49. @ fremage – haha! Not a linguist, are you?

    To fornicate – to have sexual intercourse with someone to whom one is not married.

    Thanks, but I don’t think I need your help in that area!

    And you don’t seem to realize you’ve given away your pointless little game.

  50. grumpycatisagirl

    I’m looking forward to the movie Austenland. The trailer looks very funny. Maybe I should also read the book (anyone here done so?)

  51. Hellkell, feel free! I stole it from a friend myself, haha. I find it to be an excellent term to remind my beta money-slave and provider of bonbons of his place in life, that being as a decorative and lovely man butt for me to look upon for my own sordid pleasure (though the word itself has sort of degenerated to huzbuzz or buzzbuzz recently)

    (/sarcasm on that last sentence, btw)

  52. Librarian fist bumps all around, even to the non-librarians. In fact, I hereby deputize all the good people of this comment thread as librarians-for-the-day. (Please leave re-shelving to the professionals, however.)

  53. Ah, Lovecraft. I so love him, yet so hate him. He definitely had a gift for horror, yet was a horrible bigot. I settle for figuring he’s long dead and I can enjoy his non-racist stories, right? :(

    @katz, Northanger Abbey is my favorite Austen book too. I can’t really get into her more earnest stuff, but I thought that was really funny.

  54. I don’t know about freemage, but I consider myself to be a cunning linguist :P

  55. However, this is not “someone else’s space”, unless you mean David, who has not commented on this thread.

    This is a public blog, open to anyone he allows to comment on it, which includes me. It is not your blog. You have no more rights here than I do, and no rights to abuse or attack me or anyone else just because you have “been here longer”.

    Dude, get over yourself. David runs the blog – it’s his. He simply allows others to respond but he’s willing to moderate or ban you, which he has every right to do with the webspace he owns.

    Jesus fucking Christ, does every excuse these days involve FREEZE PEACH? As if saying that makes you immune to criticism? It doesn’t. In fact, freedom of speech is two-way and involves people being able to criticize what someone had said. The difference with the reactions shown in the post is that they are threatening bodily harm – which is always out of line. Someone calling you an idiot is allowed, it’s not abuse.

    Funny, that: people who yell the most about “free speech” are also the ones who don’t understand how it works. They’ll claim their opinions – no matter how repulsive – are “free speech” one moment, only to then whine about “censorship” when someone bothers to call them out bluntly instead of sugar-coating it for their over-sensitive ego. Oh, and apparently it also doesn’t count as “free speech” if said person doesn’t like what someone else says. Commenting that comedians shouldn’t use rape jokes so readily? CENSORSHIP! Observing the fact a videogame objectifies female characters? ALSO CENSORSHIP! ‘Cause, y’know, it’s convenient for intellectually cretinous types…

  56. @gillyrosebee – I did not say women should not take the threats too seriously, ever.

    I said the people making them should be exposed, punished and potentially jailed. That is hardly “not taking them seriously”.

    I think you are projecting certain beliefs and ideologies onto me that I don’t have, cherry-picking comments and taking them out of context, and not engaging with my argument as a whole.

    Many people here are mean. No, there is no law compelling them to be nice, but decent people who care about the feelings of others are. The endless swearing and vulgar commentary is rude, unedifying and unnecessary.

    If people’s feelings matter on the internet, then they matter. That includes mine, since I am a person. But many people here have their head in the and cannot see they are doing exactly what they excuse others of – dehumanising people to justify abusing them.

    I can’t stop them. But I can object and not be bullied into silence.

  57. Is trollersons gone? No flounce at all. I am very disappointed.

  58. I am currently reading Dostoevsky.

    What of his in particular? Because I always heard them damn russians had such dense prose and you can’t really get it… The I read about the brothers Karamozov, which is actually easy reading and a good crime novel.

  59. AK: That’s how I’m ultimately going to enjoy Ender’s Game–after the homophobic shit of an author is safely interred in the Earth. If that means I have to wait forty more years, so be it.

  60. I LOVED North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell! I’m actually stuck for my next book…I can’t decide if I want to finally read Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle or FINALLY pick up Austen’s Norhanger Abbey. Hmm…

  61. @ saintnick – Christ, can’t you even read the posts you quote? Yes it is DAVID’S space, that is exactly what I said. Not yours and not anyone else’s, and the only person – the only one – who has any right to censor me or demand I leave is him.

    You might want to get over YOURself.

  62. Retroactive troll summoning! I don’t know my own power.

  63. None of you appear to know the definition of the world trolling. Hint: it’s not someone who dares to disagree with you and stand up for themselves.

  64. @katz, nope, still here, still whining about HOW HORRIBLE AND MEAN we all are.

  65. Michael Olsen: I’d also recommend Leo Tolstoi. I loved Ivan the Fool.

  66. Quark, are you attempting perfomance art, now? Because it isn’t nearly as good as Tilda Swinton sleeping in a glass case.

  67. Michael: Started with Brothers K, now reading C&P. I found the former very engaging, although the latter is indeed quite dense. But still good.

    Briznecko: The Jungle is gross. Northanger Abbey is funny. How is this even a choice?

  68. Michael, nope, but thanks for asking.

  69. None of you appear to know the definition of the world trolling. Hint: it’s not someone who dares to disagree with you and stand up for themselves.

    And yet, that’s exactly what we’re all doing here, fucker. Disagreeing with you, fucking vehemently in some cases, and standing up for ourselves and our opinions, and against yours, which are fucking awful and ill-informed. Also still recommending that you go on and fuck off.

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