Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.
Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.
Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.
Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.
Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.
And a more graphic example:
And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.
For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.
And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.
The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?
Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.
British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.
First, for a little more background, see:
Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats
Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest
And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:
A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea
A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….
Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.
Why does it always come back to rape? by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman
Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …
[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …
The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.
If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage? by Elizabeth Plank
Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.
[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.
I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.
What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett
First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …
“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.
“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …
Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.
“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”
And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.
Posted on July 31, 2013, in actual activism, advocacy of violence, all about the menz, antifeminism, harassment, hate, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, no girls allowed, oppressed white men, rape culture, rape jokes, sexual harassment, threats, twitter and tagged Caroline Criado-Perez, harassment, misogyny, rape culture, rape jokes, rape threats, twitter, twitter harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 1,018 Comments.








Guess what, Quark, I’m not trying to be polite or eloquent, and the only constructive thing I’m trying to accomplish with my fucking language is to get you, you fucker, to fuck yourself and get the fuck off this fucking thread. We’re all fucking sick of you, and I don’t think my fucking point could be any fucking clearer, you fucking fuck.
titianblue: it sounds like OF.
When people swear out of contempt, they aren’t trying to be polite in the first place. Nor is the point of swearing to make a conversation more constructive. It’s nothing more than another way of expressing one’s feelings.
Of course it’s unnecessary in the sense that a point can be conveyed without swearing, but most people don’t want to just dryly convey their points without a hint of emotion.
“Are you also against dark sarcasm in the classroom?”
We don’t need no education
We don’t need thought control
So FUCK off trolls! :P
Well fuck. I’m sorry I tried to be polite for so long.
Yes, “Bad Language” as defined historically as “language used by the lower classes of society”. But then that’s not the point here, we left that point several miles back.
Rape threats leveled against women who dare to advance opinions in the public sphere, that’s the original topic.
Quark’s original response was (roughly translated, correct me if I’m wrong) “They should just toughen up and get over themselves because those making rape threats will never go through with them, never.”
Dark sarcasm was the best part of school for me =D
Okay then, try this on for size.
“You are a acting like a childish imbecile and you should leave this thread and never come back.”
Better?
“Well fuck. I’m sorry I tried to be polite for so long.”
SHAME ON YOU!
=P
“the only constructive thing I’m trying to accomplish with my fucking language is to get you, you fucker, to fuck yourself and get the fuck off this fucking thread. We’re all fucking sick of you, and I don’t think my fucking point could be any fucking clearer, you fucking fuck.”
I see. Just to be clear, does everyone second this?
I’m just going to leave this here:
Nothing bad about swearing. My doctor recommends it as a migraine reduction technique ;-)
I have more Pimms & some homemade blackcurrant icecream. Party Time!
I second deste’s motion for fucking off.
I always feel like such a fool for trying to warn them. 95+% of the time, it’s just some troll who knows damn well what they’re doing wrong (as appears to be the case here). The remaining 5>% they just don’t listen.
Hyena Girl, now you are trolling. You are very wrong about my original post and you know it.
I’m amazed that somebody who was telling women who are the recipients of ongoing harassment campaigns to toughen up and grow a thicker skin is so thin-skinned.
Wait, no I’m not.
I’m not high profile enough to get rape or death threats, but I did once get called a c*nt by three different people on Reddit on the same day. I was quite proud of myself for that. :D
I’ll make pizza at the slumber party. What toppings do people like? I like to do pesto with cherry tomatoes, and then toss some arugula on top when it comes out of the oven. (That way you can’t see the cheese, so I can pretend it’s a perfectly healthy salad.)
Motion thirded.
My swearing spirit guide:
So, using ‘bad language’ at Quark is bad and we should feel bad but people who get graphic violent threats of rape and death should just remember it probably isn’t too serious and go about their lives?
Fuck that shit.
@seraph4377 – Not sure why I should listen to advice which basically amounts to “just be bullied and harassed into silence like we’re telling you to”.
And the hypocrisy is just… if it wasn’t so awful it would be hilarious.
cloudiah: I like all the toppings.
Remeber when Tommy Martin got so pissed at me and called me c*nt? Or Brandon’s veiled rape threat? GOOD TIMES.
LMAO. This troll is hilarious. Actually the first time I’ve seen someone here actually announce that swearing is wrong and we have to stop.
I’ll be giving a one point deduction to the inevitable flounce for insisting that she’ll never leave.
@dustydeste
That was beautiful! *Applause from the peanut gallery.*
@Quark:
Ah, I see I am slightly wrong, you did say that 99.9% wouldn’t so you did not say zero. I stand corrected there. I’ll grant you that.
^ Protip: Do you see the difference between this and trolling?
How to elegantly and graciously make an apology:
Note the conspicuous lack of weasel words or ifpologizing.
How to act like a three year old who can’t see past zir own tantrum:
Note the conspicuous lack of anything resembling an apology for coming into someone else’s space and crossing many established lines (concern trolling, doubling down when your mistakes are pointed out) that you should have known about had you really been reading for so long.
There’s a lot of cursing going on, yes. So what. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to read it. Having a potty mouth (no matter how filthy) is not illegal, and cursing (no matter how floridly or imaginatively) is perfectly in keeping with the community standards here.
Can you all stop misrepresenting my argument. I have said countless times internet threats are very bad, and those who make them should be exposed and punished.
Helping people to feel safe is NOT the same as telling them to grow a thicker skin. I have never, ever said or insinuated people shouldn’t be upset by internet abuse. Why would I advocate naming and shaming if I thought it was all okay?
I don’t think it’s okay – I don’t think rape or death threats are okay, I don’t think what a lot of you are doing towards me is okay.
Daaaaamn, I love the unintentional truthiness of it all.
In actual stuff, a court clerk was fired after 34 years of service… for helping a defendant file a motion that proved his innocense.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/30/2384751/court-clerk-fired-for-helping-secure-dna-test-that-proved-a-mans-innocence/
Holy FUCK our justice system here is messed up.
Quark – Someone who wants you silenced doesn’t advise you to come back on another thread. But now this is probably going to be your only thread, so I get what you think I wanted anyway.
That’s true; but you did the second thing, not the first thing, and that’s why we’re mad at you.
Howard: I saw that yesterday, and my mind was blown. That’s fucked up.
But as others have said, saying that most of these threats aren’t genuine is not only false, but also does nothing to help threat victims feel safe.
Hey story-time.
Once upon a time, there was a polite young man. He was godly, hated swearing, and was always nice, and always had a smile.
To your face.
But he would never compromise. It was his way, or you were another oppressive jerk in this sinful world. He simply did not understand why the world as so cruel and rude to him, because it would not do everything the exact way he told it to. Not the proper way; his way.
My last interaction with him was when he asked me to give my friend, his roommate, his half of the damage deposit. As he hands me the money, he starts giving me this big explanation of why he was only giving this much, and not the entire amount, because he didn’t feel the roommate had done enough cleaning to ensure they got the deposit back.
At this point, I stopped him, and said. “Look, your roommate is here. I just saw him. Why don’t you give it to him yourself?”
“Well, I tried.” he replied.
“And…?”
Looking scandalized, he whispered. “He swore in my face.”
I gave him back the money “Yeah, I’m not touching this.”
If that’s polite, FUCK POLITE.
As far as the slumber party goes, you can’t have the banana bread, but I’ve got all the fixin’s for a nice sangria with an acai berry wine that a friend gave us :D Also I could make cucumber tea sandwiches with chevre and cracked pepper?
@Howard, Fucking fuck! That is fucked up.
@gillyrosebee
Okay, I am more than happy to apologise if anything I said offended or upset anyone. I apologise.
However, this is not “someone else’s space”, unless you mean David, who has not commented on this thread.
This is a public blog, open to anyone he allows to comment on it, which includes me. It is not your blog. You have no more rights here than I do, and no rights to abuse or attack me or anyone else just because you have “been here longer”.
@ Quark:
This is a belated request on your 99.9% figure or other claims about level of danger that you’ve made in this sprawling derailed thread.
*** CITATION PLEASE ***
This subject matters to me and you are as wrong as it is possible to get on whether or not online threats are “real” or not. Plenty of people told me that I shouldn’t worry about people sending me vile emails because it was “just people innocently venting” and “nothing to get too worked up about” (that last from a police detective in a neighboring city, where rapist fuckwad was actually living at the time).
They were wrong. You, similarly are wrong. My apologies to everyone else here, but you will not get the last word on this.
I have a terrible memory for names, but it’s been pretty recent.
oops, I fucking forgot to swear in my comment because my tablet’s shitty autocomplete doesn’t have many swear words.
I lolled
“I just don’t see how it is helpful to anyone to live in a state of paralysed terror. It is always better to feel safe.”
Once again, Quark, YOU SAID THIS. This is a direct quote. SAYING ‘you should feel safe’ is not the same as HELPING anyone feel safe. Especially when the logic behind your assertion is flawed.
So derailing the derail, and the OP, but this kid is FUCKIN amazing and I can’t get this smile off my face after seeing him
http://www.upworthy.com/a-12-year-old-egyptian-boy-flabbergasts-an-interviewer-they-werent-expecting-a-political-genius-4
Hey, Quark, I’m going to guess that you’re being genuine and respond accordingly. I don’t mean to pile on and I don’t expect a direct response. (Although you seem to be responding to every single “fuck off”, which has really drawn this out.)
To everyone else: PLEASE call me out if I’m doing something wrong here.
I’m new to posting here too, but it feels from the language you’re using (“opinion”, “perspective”, “debate”) that you’re treating this as an academic discussion. You are talking about something genuinely harmful and talking to people with actual lived experience and knowledge of that harm. This is an impression that you’re giving.
What you’re doing here is pretty similar to what a lot of trolls do. I’m not saying you’re necessarily trolling. But there isn’t a lot of patience for how you’re coming across, and people are responding with hostility because they are out of that patience. Actually, it’s a little hard to believe you’ve been lurking the comments but never seen this happen before.
If you’re about to say “But I was just stating my opinion,” don’t. Acting as if people swearing at your posts is even on the same scale as the harassment being discussed? Offensive.
Also, people who’ve been here longer have built up credibility you don’t have. Your posts in this thread are all anyone has to go on, and I don’t think anyone likes what they’re seeing.
My advice is to take a step back from this thread, think a bit, and then be a little more mindful in any future posts.
Thinking someone is wrong about something is not justification for how you have treated me here today. It is just that “logic” which justifies the abuse you all claim to despise.
Seems no-one can see that, but it is nevertheless true.
@Falconer
Sounds like Petey.
I assume that Quark also barges in and sits down at an occupied table at a restaurant and then insists that only the restaurant owner can tell her to leave because she has as much right to be there as the other people who know each other and were there before.
@Quark: And here’s where it was clearly illustrated why your point doesn’t hold. Go on, read it. I’ll wait.
http://manboobz.com/2013/07/31/jane-austen-and-the-rape-threatening-men/comment-page-3/#comment-335372
You’re back? Ok do you see how you’re making the exact same argument as a person endorsing the threats? Do you see how that would be an apologia?
No? Then kindly decamp from the vicinty(this thread) forthwith. Mind that the door not strike your posterior as you egress.
In Quarkland, a person’s ideas are equivalent to zir self. There is no difference between an attack on the ideas and an attack on the self. Also no one has any rights to say whatever they damn well please, unless they’re Quark, because Quark’s FREEZEPEACHES are sacrosanct, and anyone saying that Quark should GO FUCK OFF is trampling on Quark’s rights!
Am I getting this right? I’m pretty sure I’m getting this right.
The swearing in this thread: expression of being annoyed at the way you are behaving towards others.
Rape threats and similar forms of harassment: explicit wish of harm on another person for the sake of terrorizing that person.
They aren’t comparable, sorry.
I’ll bring kittens to the slumber party.
You do not get to police the speech of the regulars here, who know the community conventions better than you do. Fuck off to your own little pearl clutching corner of the internet if you don’t like it.
(I fucking appreciate every fucking word of every fucking post that hellkell has made, but then again, I don’t get to police the speech of regulars here either. The site owner does, though since we are all the same person who is actually just a bunch of cats in a David suit, so maybe I do?).
PS – my favorite banana bread recipe comes from the big gingham cookbook (http://www.bhg.com/recipe/quickbreads/banana-bread/) though this one (http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/banana_bread/) sounds good too!
To derail the derail (is that a rerail?):
Let’s talk about Jane Austen. The librarian in my is interested to know favorites in her work. For me it’s always going to be Pride & Prejudice (just so well written) and Persuasion (being her last work and feeling it has the most of the author in it).
@ hometeampaper – people aren’t “swearing at my posts”. They’re swearing at me, directly, and openly trying to bully, attack and offend me so much I will “fuck off”.
It is totally inappropriate, and although many people are being (intentionally?) obtuse about seeing it, it is harassment. It is abuse. It is the very thing you all claim to be against.
“Seems no-one can see that, but it is nevertheless true.”
I fucking hate pretentious trolls! Also how tedious, tedious, tedious this threadjacker is. TEDIOUS.
hometeampaper – the only thing you’re doing wrong is giving Quark too much credit.
@ Quark
Okay, fuck off then.
Quark, you can be wrong all you want and I don’t give a flying fuck. What happened was you came in here and hurt people, were told you were hurting people and were asked to stop, and you refused to stop. THAT is the abusive behavior that is the issue. And people have every right to defend themselves against it.
@gillyosebee – heh, so I apologise and you ignore it, whereas when someone apologised to me, I graciously accepted.
You instead respond by attacking me more.
How wearily predictable.
I did appreciate your thanks, Quark.
The reason I responded the way I did was that you didn’t engage with a single thing I said. You were posting many defensive comments about how other posters were attacking you, and so I tried to engage with you in good faith. Rather than actually address anything I said, you specifically thanked me for my tone and balance, without actually discussing anything I said. In context, it’s hard to see that as anything but using my post to make a point.
That is dismissive, and it angered me. For some reason, I’m still here, trying to engage with you in good faith, even though I expect to be dismissed again. I just hope to make you see that the fact that you’re doubling down and attacking other posters for their tone (which is such a common derailing technique that I don’t even know where to start) rather than the substance of their complaints.
@gillyrosebee, I just wanted to thank you for sharing your story. Regardless of the overall conversation, it has definitely made me rethink my assessment of online threats.
Hyena Girl: I might get a librarian spanking for this, but I tried to read Emma, and just could not get into it. It kind of put me off Austen. I do love the movie adaptations of her stuff, should I give it another shot and if so, what book?
@Hyena Girl
P & P is still my favorite, although I really like S & S as well.
Yeah, you also said sarcasm was abuse, so you don’t have much credibility stored up there.
Falconer, could we get some baby pictures up here in this thread?
So I “hurt people”, unintentionally – and apologised – therefore it’s fine for people to attack me intentionally and endlessly and not apologise.
Right. Got it.
I just want to say that this creepy Ivan Garcia person doesn’t speak for the starcraft community, which is mostly wonderful. Go to any community event and everyone will be friendly and wonderful and awful behavior will be non-existent. (or so I’ve heard, I’ve never been to one) It’s just that there is some overlap between the starcraft community and reddit, so if you look at reddit or twitch.tv chat you can find many evil comments, but none of this is condoned by community role models and reddit does not have a monopoly on the starcraft community anyway.
Er, sorry, my editing failed there. I meant to say “I just hope to make you see that the fact that you’re doubling down and attacking other posters for their tone (which is such a common derailing technique that I don’t even know where to start) rather than the substance of their complaints.” should have actually ended with, “…is a big part of the problem here.”
Quark, you have no fucking clue what harassment even fucking is. Go the fuck away please.
Okay, now it’s starting to smell familiar. Who was it who was lecturing us all about how he had worked in a shelter and had to sit by and watch the crazy, ebil wimmenz yelling at the poor menz who they had roped into giving them money and how he was forced to break up fights only to see the men go back to them and how unfair it was and how you should never lend money because OMG it’s like totally theft! He used the same british spellings and got his panties in a bunch because I had such a foul mouth, didn’t he?