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Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making  videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.

Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.

Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.

Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.

Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.

And a more graphic example:

And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.

For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see  Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

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And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.

The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?

Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.

British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.

First, for a little more background, see:

Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats

Twitter faces boycott after ‘inaction’ over rape threats against feminist bank notes campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez

Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest

And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:

A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea

A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….

Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.

Why does it always come back to rape?  by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman

Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …

[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …

The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.

If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage?  by Elizabeth Plank

Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.

[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.

I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.

What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett

First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …

“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.

“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …

Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.

“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”

And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.

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Posted on July 31, 2013, in actual activism, advocacy of violence, all about the menz, antifeminism, harassment, hate, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, no girls allowed, oppressed white men, rape culture, rape jokes, sexual harassment, threats, twitter and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 1,018 Comments.

  1. *Waves*

    Hi, Quark. I’m a long-timer here, though I don’t post much anymore.

    I’m going to give you some advice, honest and well-meant: stop. Look around. Read other threads. Find out what the culture is here. When you come back to another thread, don’t try to pretend that this thread didn’t happen. An apology would be best, but people have gotten by without one after some long-term good behavior.

    This advice is premised on the idea that you are what you seem to be: someone who has put your foot in it in a way you don’t understand, and is now on the defensive.

    I’ve seen this happen before. It doesn’t end well for you. You’ve already burned through your benefit of the doubt; no one is going to cut you any breaks from this point on. You will not be allowed the last word. That’s the purpose of the “Recent Posts” function. You will be hounded to exhaustion. Your Manboobz career will last one post, maybe two. Because you didn’t take the time to get to know the culture.

    Of course, if you’re just a troll, you’ll be banned soon enough. Dave has less patience for that sort of nonsense than he once did.

  2. Oh, dear. I thought I had apologized.

    Quark

    My wording was thoughtless and I understand that the perception of a threat of rape would upset anyone. I’m sorry if my comment hurt you and any offense it caused.

  3. Oooh, I leave work to head home and miss all the nail polish talk. i’ve a pitcher of Pimms with strawberries & mint in it in the ‘fridge to share if I can join the cool clique in the corner.

  4. Yeah, sorry I engaged with the derailing so much you guys. The actual subject matter of the post is so fucking upsetting. I agree about the ‘report abuse’ button, seems likely it would just become another trolling, silencing tactic. I have a friend that keeps talking about how the internet is evil because it gives credence & amplification to this ‘small, vocal minority’ and that just chaps my ass too.

  5. @titianblue

    that sounds delicious!

  6. Mmmmmm, that sounds delicious, titianblue!

  7. @ Seraph437 – sigh. I’ve said a million times I have read loads of threads here. I will leave when I decide to (or if Mr Futrelle decides for me), but I certainly won’t be bullied out of here by people who have no more right to be here than I do. Sorry.

  8. Gillybeerose — that’s horrible, I’m so sorry, and extra sorry that Quark’s triggered you.

    “Has anyone emailed the Dark Lord about Quark? This wouldn’t be the first time a troll has pulled the long con.”

    I literally just emailed pecunium that I smell sock (he’s at work, so I’m emailing him the highlights). I’m seeing ten pages in the definition of “misandry” here, anyone else?

  9. The problem with Twitter as I see it is not the supplying of a Report Abuse button but the proper moderating of the reporting done. I assume they just can’t be a4sed. Pretty much like Facebook before the campaign hit them in the pocket by going after their advertising revenue.

  10. @ gillyrose, uh no, the attacks on me started immediately, there was nothing “gentle” about it. And you cannot read my opening post and tell me in good faith you think I was trying to “start shit” as I have been accused of.

    I read your opening post.

    I thought to myself, “oh, lord, this Quark person is starting some shit, huh?”

    You honestly can’t see there is anything inappropriate about the response towards me?

    I was going to respond to you with some swearing earlier, but I didn’t, because hellkell was doing it and is better at it than I am. So, totally appropriate.

    I never said “my limited experience should trump everyone else”. Why do people keep ascribing things to me I haven’t said?

    …but you did. YOU FUCKING DID. That’s your problem. You can’t see that you did.

    Take a deep breath, and re-read your opening post. Because you totally did, and if you can’t see it, then you are… well.

    I just don’t see how it is helpful to anyone to live in a state of paralysed terror. It is always better to feel safe.

    Treating what people say as if they actually mean them =/= paralysed terror.

  11. Thanks tooimpure, I appreciate it.

  12. sarahlizhousespouse

    “‘Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.'”

    Lovely. A man calling all men predators. Pooka said it best when he said sometimes “men are their own worst enemies.”

  13. Quark, abuse is indeed a sliding scale and your’s from anyone on this blog don’t rate.

  14. I simply do not understand why you couldn’t all state your disagreements without resorting to attacks and swearing. That is inexplicable to me. And it’s hypocritical, whether you can see that or admit it or not.

    We did
    titanblue said:

    Not all that comforting, actually.

    hellkell said:

    Yeah, that’s not as reassuring as you might think. I’m guessing you’ve never been on the receiving end.

    Ally S said

    1) Discerning whether a threat is genuine isn’t as easy as you think it is, and
    2) even the non-genuine threats are forms of manipulation via verbal abuse, and that alone makes them reprehensible.

    Chie replied directly here. I wont ctrl-c ctrl-v that one because it’s kinda long.

    tooimpureangel said:

    f somebody has dehumanized you to the point where they are making rape and death threats, you are in danger. They think of you as less than human. Hope that helps.

    Chie hits it out of the park with this one:

    Focusing on how the bullied should behave achieves NOTHING. Telling someone who is receiving rape and death threats that “you probably won’t really get raped or killed” achieves NOTHING.

    And it goes on and on. Other commenters did try to engage in good faith and you decided to double down, pitch a fit, tone trolled, and are now doubling down on the tone trolling.

  15. Also, yes please, titianblue! I have some fresh, homemade tabbouleh salad to share!

  16. Passes round the Pimms & a load of glasses – help yourselves peeps.

    It seems strange to me that we all accept that sending a threatening letter should be (and is, here) illegal. And that we expect that the police and the Mail will take it seriously and deal with it as such when it happens, hopefully tracking down and prosecuting the perp.

    And I know from a close friend’s experience that both police and British Telecom (the landline phone company, non-Brits) take abusive anonymous phone calls extremely seriously, employ all the technology at their disposal and prosecute strongly.

    So why is it so hard to for some people to see that Twitter is a direct parallel, just a different medium?

  17. Jesus, I don’t even know what “tone trolling” is, but if I have done such a thing, I apologise.

    This debate is getting tired, but let’s sum:

    You don’t agree with my perspective, and think it is insensitive/wrong. I get that.

    I don’t agree with the way people have attacked me and think it is insensitive/wrong. Hopefully you get that.

    Not sure what else there is to say.

  18. “I just don’t see how it is helpful to anyone to live in a state of paralysed terror. It is always better to feel safe.”

    Also, speaking up about abuse, as the women in the post above are doing, is not living in a state of paralyzed terror. They have been made to feel unsafe and are trying to come up with solutions as to how to restore their feeling of safety. You can’t just snap your fingers and decide, welp, I feel safe regardless of how people are behaving towards me.

  19. I’ve got an earth shatteringly simple solution to twitter trolls. If you don’t like twitter’s anti-harrassment policies……DON’T USE TWITTER!!!!

    MRA laziness at it’s finest

  20. the proper moderating of the reporting done. I assume they just can’t be a4sed.

    I wonder if somehow it could be crowd-sourced. Probably that would be too prone to brigading, though. Actually, I’m just really glad that the dude from Manchester got a high-profile visit from the police. Obviously the police won’t do that for every threatening asshat on the Internet, but if there are regular stories of police arresting and questioning those making threats it might at least give some of them pause.

    Note: I am not advocating throwing them in jail, just letting them know they’re on record, and letting other people know that there’s a chance they could be treated similarly.

  21. Oh, I was wondering, does anyone have a good recipe for banana bread? I’ve got a bunch of old bananas in the fridge and want to do some up to send with my grandparents on their road trip to Alaska (they’re coming through here, oh what joy; at least it’s only for a day)

  22. As for tone trolling: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tone+trolling

    And yes Quark, this debate was tired and off topic several pages ago. You forwarded an opinion, it was strongly disagreed with. Whether or not that rose to an attack is a matter of opinion, but your mistake lies in not letting that rest but instead doubling down on the community rather than discussing the actual topic.

    I hope this helps.

    Manboobz, come for the mockery, stay for the fights in the comment section.

  23. @ Hellkell – I don’t follow links without explanations, sorry.

  24. Hyena Girl: Jinx, but me a coke.

  25. That passive-aggressive is better than aggressive-aggressive thing. I am positive I’ve heard (seen) it before from someone commenting in bad faith. But I can’t remember if it was here or Pollock in the thread from hell.

  26. buy me a coke. I wouldn’t want to misunderstood.

    QUark, click it, it tells you all about tone trolling, Hyena Girl gave you the same thing. Asshole.

  27. @deste (is it okay if I call you that?), I haven’t made it in ages but I used to like the Moosewood one. This seems to match what I remember of it.

    I see they also have a recipe for banana cupcakes.

  28. There’s one definite “thread from hell”?

  29. Hellkell — you’re a coke?! How are you typing?! The mind, it boggles (reread what you typed if I’m not making sense)

  30. @ Hyena Girl – others would not let it rest either. You can say I am at fault and you may be right, But to say no-one else is is absurd. Many people here have behaved very badly.

  31. Argenti: it definitely sounds like a sock. Can’t remember which, not sure it matters, Q isn’t saying anything new.

  32. I simply do not understand why you couldn’t all state your disagreements without resorting to attacks and swearing. That is inexplicable to me. And it’s hypocritical, whether you can see that or admit it or not.

    No one here, as far as I can tell, is being verbally abusive. The most people here have done is express contempt for your views, which often happens when people disagree. They aren’t “attacks.”

    Yes, there has been some swearing, but swearing itself is not harassment or verbal abuse. It’s just a certain way of expressing one’s anger, happiness, etc.

    You call it hypocritical, yet none of us are sending you death threats, rape threats, etc.; people are just annoyed at what you said and expressing their feelings. That’s it.

  33. Cloudiah, of course you can, because you’re awesome! And thanks for the recipes! :D

  34. @ hellkell – why do you feel it necessary to swear so much and be so aggressive? It is really unpleasant and unnecessary,

  35. seraph — it was a popehat thread that pecunium managed to suck a bunch of us into. You don’t want to read 900 comments of people trying to allow harassment at cons to go relatively unpunished because what about the socially awkward geeks?!

  36. Now, what else are people bringing to our slumber party? Can we get Marie to come? She’ll make us a cake.

  37. Argenti: I caught that. My typing is so very poor. Wait until the Theraflu kicks in.

  38. @ hellkell
    One genuine coke from Mexico coming up, that way you can have real sugar and a glass bottle.

  39. Twitter is really dragging their feet on this. Are they scared of getting a backlash from the assholes, like Facebook did when they banned the horrible rape posts? The BBC video from last night made the point that, as a business decision, Twitter has the choice of choosing between a small group of assholes and a large percentage of their users.

    It is always interesting how tech companies resist making obvious business decisions in favor of the free-speech-is-for-harassment brodudes. (Ophelia has some other good articles, too.)

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/07/newsnight-on-twitter-trolls/

  40. @ Ally – err… I have been told to “fuck off”, “go fuck [my]self”, etc several times, and just now been called an “asshole” for not clicking on a link.

    If you don’t call that abuse, I don’t know what to tell you.

  41. @ hellkell – why do you feel it necessary to swear so much and be so aggressive? It is really unpleasant and unnecessary,

    Ok, now I smell socks too.

  42. hellkell, like Howard, I have great admiration for your swearing ability. I usually stop swearing when you’re around because my own swears pale in comparison! Please continue swearing with abandon. :D

  43. That right there? Telling hellkell that swearing is bad? Tone trolling.

    Tangentially, holy fuck is the 30g bigger than it looked in my renderings! And now I need to go, dinner calls.

  44. why do you feel it necessary to swear so much and be so aggressive? It is really unpleasant and unnecessary,

    Because I fucking love to fucking swear, and it makes fucking fuckfaces like you fucking bananas.

    And that, my darling dear jagoff, is the last fucking bit of attention you’re getting from me. Be a dear and fuck off now.

  45. Please, no fucking bananas. Deste needs them for the recipe!

  46. Seconding cloudiah!

  47. Anyone email the dark lord?

  48. Err, I mean seconding cloudiah on

    “hellkell, like Howard, I have great admiration for your swearing ability. I usually stop swearing when you’re around because my own swears pale in comparison! Please continue swearing with abandon. ”

    Posts are just flying by.

  49. Swearing is bad. It is aggressive, hostile, and unnecessary. Why would you wish to come across that way? Only if you get a kick out of belittling others. It’s bad when people do that to you, right hellkell, but it’s fine for you to do it to them. I know how it goes.

  50. cloudiah, Howard, thanks. I am the first to admit I’m a total trashmouth, but I really do know when not to, I swear.

    Har, har.

  51. HEY KIDS, SWEARING IS BAD, QUARK SAID SO.

    Thus endeth the PSA.

  52. Sorry deste, I don’t want your bananas fucked with.

  53. Well as long as you use a condom that only has lube on the outside, they’ll probably be alright. As long as they’re still in the peel, y’know. I wouldn’t advise using my freezer bananas, since they’ve been peeled. Also it’d be a bit chilly, but I hear some folks dig that.

  54. What in the actual everloving fuck? How is swearing bad?

  55. @ Quark:
    You’re working well on defining tone trolling dear. Swearing happens here and within certain bounds it’s considered quite fucking acceptable.

  56. @hellkell

    I love your swearing! Please keep it up, especially with the trolls.

    Thanks!

  57. Seriously, what’s wrong with being aggressive and hostile? Are you also against dark sarcasm in the classroom?

  58. Wah wah, swearing is naughty and naughty pottymouths should have their mouths washed out with soap!

    Go fuck yourself, Quark. No one wants you here. Hell, I’d sacrifice my bananas if that’s what it’d take to get you to FUCK OFF AND GO AWAY.

  59. Swearing is called “bad language”. There’s a reason for that.

    If you don’t see calling someone an asshole and telling them to fuck off as, er, bad then really… What can I say? It’s not polite, it’s not constructive, it’s not eloquent… It’s BAD.

  60. I can understand why some people don’t like swearing, but that doesn’t mean I’m okay with people telling others not to swear. People are entitled to choose to not swear themselves, and that’s it.

  61. Can I come to the slumber party too? I have dark Belgian chocolate covered almonds (73% cacao) and a beagle.

  62. I swear at my computer when WP eats another comment. [shakes fists at sky]

  63. There’s a difference between swearing to punctuate a point (“that’s so fucking true!”) and aggressively swearing AT someone.

  64. Chocolate AND a beagle? *swoons*

  65. neuroticbeagle, Abso-fucking-lutely. I love beagles!

  66. Quark

    If you’ve been reading threads for a while, why are you so astonished at the swearing?

  67. Okay, strike two. One more shot.

    Quark, this can be a rough and tumble, sometimes downright rude place. That’s okay, if it isn’t to your taste no one will hold that against you. There is nothing here like the behavior David’s post details, and trying to make a comparison between them is not going to help you be taken seriously.

    I do think that your problems began with your first post, because you said this:

    But just to reassure women who doubtless feel threatened by this – there is almost certainly no real-life threat.

    The fact is that you can’t know exactly how much threat really exists here, and to assert that there is “almost certainly no real-life threat” is factually not correct.

    In some cases it’s ‘merely’ (I say that not because the toll it takes is any less horrible but because it is the ‘best’ that one can hope for in such a situation) a barrage of violent and threatening comments. In some cases, women are doxxed and have their personal information shared with a wider range of trolls so that more people can be directed to her digital and actual location. In some cases, trolls will mount an assault against the employer of a woman who has raised their ire, or against her financial supporters, so that she is in danger of losing her job or her funding. In plenty of cases, even though you may not have heard of them, women are stalked, beaten, raped and even murdered.

    In the face of all the above very real danger, waving away the threat as imaginary (what is directly implied when someone says that it is not “real-life”) both leaves people unprepared for the dangers they may really, actually face, and sets them up to not adequately protect themselves from the possibility of harm.

    As I pointed out, an amount higher than zero does not equal zero. Your framing of the issue was dismissive of the real, actual possibility of harm, and when you were challenged on that, you pushed back suggesting that you were right and everyone else was not (or that we just didn’t understand that you actually were right, or whatever).

    I just don’t see how it is helpful to anyone to live in a state of paralysed terror. It is always better to feel safe.

    This is a false dichotomy. Taking risk seriously does not mean that one will be “paralysed” by fear, and it is insulting to suggest that either one must wave off the rantings and ravings of trolls or one risks ‘letting the terrorists win’.

    It is only good to feel safe if you actually *are* safe. To be safe, rather than just whistling past the graveyard and trying to *feel* safe, we need to take danger seriously and plan accordingly.

  68. The WP is thing is beyond annoying.

    OK, so who’s bring what to the Shame and Lipstick slumber party? I’ll bring some wine, nail polish, and cheesy 80s music.

  69. Mmm, “I’ll stay til I’m banned”, “why are you anonymous, tell me your real name”, “why do you swear so much, Hellkell”. Who does that sound like?

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