Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men
The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.
Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.
Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.
Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.
Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.
And a more graphic example:
And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.
For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.
And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.
And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.
The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?
Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.
British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.
First, for a little more background, see:
Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats
Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest
And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:
A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea
A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….
Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.
Why does it always come back to rape? by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman
Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …
[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …
The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.
If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage? by Elizabeth Plank
Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.
[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.
I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.
What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett
First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …
“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.
“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …
Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.
“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”
And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.
Posted on July 31, 2013, in actual activism, advocacy of violence, all about the menz, antifeminism, harassment, hate, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, no girls allowed, oppressed white men, rape culture, rape jokes, sexual harassment, threats, twitter and tagged Caroline Criado-Perez, harassment, misogyny, rape culture, rape jokes, rape threats, twitter, twitter harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 1,018 Comments.
Fantastic article. The stuff with Mary Beard I found especially disturbing given her age (not saying it’s OK to harass younger women! Just that is seems particularly horrendous when the woman in question is old enough to be someone’s grandma). I think the important thing to remember about this so as to not become completely drenched in despair is that 99.9% of these “trolls” would never say so much as boo to a goose in real life. They are most likely terrified of real live women and their anxieties and frustrations get taken out from the safety and anonymity of behind a screen (apart from when the idiots use their real names).
You can see from how quickly the Mary Beard troll crumbled when someone threatened to tell his mommy on him that they are just buffoons full of hot air and no real threat to women in real life. (The same way men’s rights “activists” have never done a single bit of activism in their lives.)
Not that this in any way makes their conduct okay – it’s disgusting and they deserve to be exposed and punished. But just to reassure women who doubtless feel threatened by this – there is almost certainly no real-life threat.
I have to say… I’ve got a strong stomach, and this shit turned it.
Really, the U of Maryland piece is shocking, the AVERAGE is 163 hostile emails.
Just to clarify, Caroline wasn’t just campaigning to put HJane Austen on the tenner. She was campaigning to ensure that UK banknotes reflected the diversity of our country and the great people who had comtributed towards it, instead of (with the early removal of Elizabeth Fry from the fiver & her replacement by Winston Churchill) seeming to indicate that only white men had ever done anything of worth.
What has interested me with the twitter storm that followed is that these are men doing the attacking. Not teenagers, not sexually frustrated adolescents but grown men.
Emma Barnett’s exchange with the trolls turned my stomach.
Not all that comforting, actually.
Yeah, that’s not as reassuring as you might think. I’m guessing you’ve never been on the receiving end.
@ Hellkell, not specifically of rape threats, no, but I have received plenty of on-line abuse and even death threats! I think it is important to realise these threats are not “real”, because otherwise the trolls get what they want – people paralysed with terror into silence and inaction.
The problem with looking at the one who folded is there is no way to give them all that level of attention, and some will be Eivind Berges, and Paul Elams.
I think the gaming industry is a perfect example of ‘men criticized for their opinion, women criticized because they have opinions’ thing.
Many men made the same argument as Sarkeesian about the objectification of women in video games. The ‘negative’ comments usually range from “I disagree because ABC” to “You’re an idiot, your argument is wrong because ABC.” The exact same argument made by a women is not debated. Even the tamer ones don’t actually argument the points.
Then they can go home and feel good about themselves, thinking ‘women just don’t like it when people disagree with them.’
Plus, it is valuable to confront disingenuous MRAs with this stuff, the ones who insist rape isn’t real, men never threaten women with rape, rape threats and even rape itself was made up by feminists, etc etc.
Mr Futrelle in this piece linked to The Telegraph, an extremely right-wing British newspaper which is certainly NOT known for it’s feminist credentials, and yet even they were decrying this terrible new “trend”.
I would like to see how MRAs argue this is all part of the international feminist conspiracy! I suppose they will claim all these rape-threatening trolls are really feminists trying to give men a bad name…
Thanks for writing this and summing up the issues nicely. What astounds me – really, astounds me – is that many of these articles have attracted comments basically saying that (a) nothing bad has happened, it’s just internet chat and (b) that’s freedom of speech, you know? So on the one hand there’s this outpouring of violent filth and on the other, there’s a denial that such outpouring is actually happening, and even if it is, it’s just harmless trolling. Or, of course (c) which is that it’s just life on the internet, get over it.
Could you imagine how seriously these threats would be taken if they were tweeted from accounts apparently headed by Muslims, and aimed at male members of Parliament? Any public figure subject to that kind of threat would be offered protection.
Hey, I’m just happy someone got arrested. Woo for non US countries.
The point, you’ve missed it. Bravo.
Twitter trolls, taking your standard fare “I hope you get raped” and turning it into graphic murder and rape fantasies. I wish I’d made coffee already. Or maybe not, gagging on coffee is not tasty.
Regarding averages. You generally use the median for outlier detection, as it is less susceptible to extremely high or low numbers. If we assume a fair chunk of women get a handful a day, or less (no point harassing accounts with no recent activity?) that’d make the top end well over 163. Pretty much the only way the average is actually what people think an average is is if it’s a bell curve distribution, which I doubt in this case.
Sorry, math is how I make sense of people who make me fear for our species.
Argenti — get out of bed! Make coffee!
@ Hellkell – no need for the sarcasm. Play nice.
Oh their freeze peach? I have a bag in the freezer they can put it in, but not before I open some of the other bags in that bag.
What bag you ask? The one containing the frozen food for my adorable little carnivares (I’ll post brain bleach if they come out for the camera)
1) Discerning whether a threat is genuine isn’t as easy as you think it is, and
2) even the non-genuine threats are forms of manipulation via verbal abuse, and that alone makes them reprehensible.
Complaining about sarcasm? Really?
Given that some of the commenters on “How to use the internet without being a total loser” are already suggesting it’s a publicity stunt by fame-hungry women, you are likely to get your wish …
@ Ally – I absolutely agree they are reprehensible, and I think it is quite correct to see people get exposed and punished for them, up to and including arrest and even jail time.
My point is that there is not a single documented case that I have ever heard of of someone being threatened with rape or death on the internet then “actually being raped or killed”.
Think about it, if you planned to rape or kill anyone, you wouldn’t exactly announce your plans on the internet first, would you! There is no such thing as anonymity on the internet ultimately, as all sites record and store IP addresses, cookies track where you go, the CIA are probably spying on all of us right now, and so on – it’s actually pretty easy to track down “anonymous” trolls if you know how. They don’t tend to be the brightest sparks in hiding their identity anyway.
So that’s my point. It’s all designed to frighten and intimidate, but it is important for your own peace of mind to realise the huge, huge gap between someone typing a violent threat on a keyboard, and actually doing anything violent in real life.
These “men” are pathetic. They really feel that threatened? Excuse me while I mock them. Ohhh booooo hooooo. Someone call the wambulance!
@ All – sarcasm is a form of harassment, designed to embarrass and belittle someone into shutting up. It’s not cool.
I’m just stoked that my favourite author is going to be on a banknote, and there’s nothing these trolls can do about it – completely impotent, all of them!
@Quark – tone-trolling. Nice one. Read the header of the blog. Read a few other threads. Then read Hellkell’s comment and consider whether you had actually MISSED THE POINT!
‘cos, @Quark, we regulars all know Hellkell. you, not so much.
@ titianblue – I’ve read dozens, if not hundreds, of threads on here. I’m entitled to an opinion as much as anyone else, and to call someone else out on their behaviour is not “trolling”. This thread is specifically about people getting attacked for expressing opinions, and what are you guys doing – attacking me for expressing an opinion.
And yet so many stalkers do.
@ titianblue – Jeez, this isn’t a school clique. Who cares if you “know” some commentor on a blog, that doesn’t automatically give their posts more or less weight than anyone else’s.
These comments and threats do not happen in a vacuum. They are reflective of a culture that does very little to actually stop rape and violence. They feed the rape culture and keep it thriving, resulting in actual rapes and actual violence. Ivan Garcia might not travel to England to rape and murder this woman, but he perpetuates a cultural standard that does in fact result in real women, men, and children being raped and murdered. It’s part of the same spectrum.
Also, there are real life examples of women being doxed, harassed, stalked, fired from their jobs, committing suicide, etc after asshole bullies wage a campaign of hate against them. The internet is still the real world. There are still real world consequences to social media hate campaigns.
The focus here should be on the bullies and their behavior, and not on how to avoid being bullied, or how to accept and move on from being bullied. That’s a band-aid approach to a gunshot wound.
@quark Nope. We’re attacking your expressed opinion.
@ Chie – you make good points, but while I agree the onus needs to be on exposing and stopping the bullying, that doesn’t necessarily help someone who is on the receiving end right now. It’s going to take a lot of time and effort to stop on-line bullying for good, and so while we are working to stop it, it is important for victims to be able to feel safe and know realistically they aren’t in any increased danger,
If somebody has dehumanized you to the point where they are making rape and death threats, you are in danger. They think of you as less than human. Hope that helps.
By this definition, satire is harassment.
I disagree. It is important for victims to know that any feelings they have about this – fear, anger, frustration, impotence – are valid. It is important for them to know that society takes the victim’s safety (both physical and mental) seriously and will start protecting them.
Here’s the thing — our culture rewards bullies. We do a lot of lip service about how terrible bullying is, but in reality, bullies win. And THAT is why those who are “on the receiving end” feel real terror about it. Because they know that our culture is simply not on their side.
So I will repeat myself. Focusing on how the bullied should behave achieves NOTHING. Telling someone who is receiving rape and death threats that “you probably won’t really get raped or killed” achieves NOTHING.
@ Tooimpure – no, you are not in danger unless they actually do something. You may FEEL endangered and that’s how they want you to feel. But it doesn’t mean you actually are. If I told everyone in here “America is about to be bombed!”, you might feel in danger – but it doesn’t mean you actually are. And there is a big, big difference between making anonymous threats on the internet to relative strangers… And making real face-to-face threats in real life. I agree that the latter represents a real danger, but the internet automatically dehumanises people because it is “virtual”, lacking authentic human connection, e.g. physical, face-to-face contact.
That’s why I’m saying in real life almost 0 of these trolls would ever dare make such threats, let alone carry them through.
Seems like “people shouldn’t be horrible human beings on the internet (but they are)” is the theme of the end of this July for me. :/
(Last week, not directly feminism related: http://blip.tv/welshy/darkside-of-the-internet-6613444 “Dark Side of the Internet” the 5th part of this years TGWTG anniversary special… yeah, some people were calling “censorship” and decrying their freeze peach on this one too.)
@ leftwingfox – satire is very, very different to sarcasm. You need genuine humour and skill for successful satire. Sarcasm is just effortless, unskilled rudeness.
Telling people not to be sarcastic on here… tends not to go down well. That word ‘mock’ in the header is there for a reason.
@ Mark – yes, mocking *misogyny*. Not mocking people for their opinions. If people express a genuine opinion it deserves the courtesy of being taken seriously. It’s fine to disagree with it, but making silly little jibes is just childish and non-constructive.
Ah, that weasel “almost”. So comforting. So reassuring.
QFT
Quark, I think one of the points you’re missing is that while it may be highly unlikely that any of the specific people who have made threats online will follow through with them, to a person receiving a whole bunch of those threats for something they said or did, it’s a reflection of how a portion of the public is responding to them. They don’t know that along with all the internet trolls, there aren’t also people equally pissed off who will act out that violence in person. Knowing lots of strangers feel hostile toward you, especially in these situations where you’re a figure in the news and strangers can easily find out what you look like, whereabouts you live, etc., is a perfectly good reason to feel unsafe. There are people who’ve received a lot of backlash online who’ve also been harassed offline. It seems to me the more backlash you’re getting online, the more likely it is there’ll be someone nearby and pissed off enough to try to hurt you in person too.
So trying to tell people they don’t need to really be scared of online threats is not just ignoring all the other reasons online threats are disturbing (regardless of how likely they are to be acted out) but dismissing a perfectly legitimate concern.
Quark,
How about you try not to deny my lived experiences because that makes you comfy, ‘kay? Thanks!
All I can tell you is, when I received a death threat on the internet, if I really thought that person was going to come kill me, it would have been much, much worse. It was very reassuring to me to know there was a 0.00000001% chance of this person doing this.
For all I know people may think there is a very high chance if an internet threat translating into reality. That’s why I think it is important for people to realise there really isn’t. That DOESN’T mean we shouldn’t prioritise stopping internet bullies.
Ah, note to self: stop being childish. Be serious. Puts on serious face.
“@ All – sarcasm is a form of harassment, designed to embarrass and belittle someone into shutting up. It’s not cool.”
Pecunium! You sarcastic jerk! How dare you harass me?! *dies*
Who am I harassing with this one — I am just THRILLED that my room is now full of fish tanks, including an empty 30g that I can’t set up for like a week. Harassing myself for ordering the tank before the pump?
@tooimpure – What are you talking about “making me comfy” – ? The existence of malicious internet trolls who I too have to deal with hardly makes me comfy. I’m not denying anyone’s experiences, I’m just stating a fact that just because an internet threat may make someone feel in danger, doesn’t mean they necessarily are in danger.
ah, but you don’t understand, @tooimpureangel. Quark had a death threat once and he was fine with it. So he can come here & reassure all the silly scared women with complete confidence.
Ooops. was that sarcastic? /childish
@ Argenti – not sure what you are talking about. But I just don’t see the point in wasting time with silly commentary on such a serious subject.
i need something to get this out of my mind…
http://static.mellbimbo.eu/files/2013/07/31/tumblr_mqsrgxYyra1qf4h5oo1_500.jpg CAPS LOCKNESS MONSTER!
@ titian – I’m female, actually.
Am I being presumptious in assuming male pronous for Quark?
I stand corrected and I apologise. I should not have presumed.
@ titian – yes. Quark: “Any of a number of subatomic particles carrying a fractional electric charge, postulated as building blocks of the hadrons.”
Thanks for the apology – accepted :)
Quark, I’m gonna politely suggest that you stop commenting and just read for a while. You’re kinda taking over the comment thread, and it might do you good to get a sense of the culture of this place before barging in and telling people they shouldn’t be silly or sarcastic.
That Barnett piece, wowza.
No, it really doesn’t. It’s probably going Godwin to point out that there are people who actually believe that the Holocaust didn’t happen, but I’m going to do it anyway. No, we are NOT required to show courtesy to every genuine opinion. Some genuine opinions are quite shitty, and deserve no courtesy and no respect.
@Quark
What you say on the internet is a part of real life. It’s not like these comments are coming from spambots that gained sentience. On the other end of just about every pseudonym and anonymous comment is a human being. A human being that goes on to interact with other human beings. I sure wouldn’t feel safe around an acquaintance that threatened to rape someone else, even if it was ‘only on the internet.’
@ Cludiah, as I stated previously I have read at least 50 articles and threads on here – probably more. People keep responding to me, so I respond back. That is my right.
Hey, geese are fucking mean, I’m surprised these assholes have the good sense to leave them alone.
And this is exactly the line of thinking that allows them to continue abusing people without consequences.
@quark it is your right but is it wise?
@ titian – are all your comments wise? I would say not, but you might feel differently. We are entitled to disagree – that is the beauty of debate.
I know what’s making me uneasy about this thread – and, I’m sorry to say, Quark’s posts. It’s all too rape culture.
TW:
Hey, so you’ve been raped/threatened with rape. Here’s how you should react as a good victim.. Here’s what you did to put yourself in the position, in the first place. Here’s what society expects you to do now, as a good girl. Let’s all look at you, the victim, and ignore the rapist/threatener. ‘Cos hey, we all know they’re a monster, nothing to do with us, nothing to talk about there.
Am I just burbling or does that make sense?
@titianblue
No, it’s how I’ve been feeling. I couldn’t put into words what was making me queasy, but that sums it up perfectly.
As in no, you’re not just burbling.
@quark: in fact, there was a very active internet troll up here in Montreal who made endless threats to members of the atheist /skeptical community and was in fact arrested I think last year. He was mentally unbalanced, unmedicated/untreated and dangerous. He had shown up at a conference & was photographed in proximity to people he’d harassed. That is an escalation, and it does happen.
No. See, that’s you trying to shut me up.
Your opinion is heavily invested in preserving the status quo and deserves to be roundly mocked. It’s not shaming language or denying you your freeze peach or whatever the fuck to do it.
Yeah, you should probably sit down and read for a while like cloudiah said.
If what you say online isn’t real or somehow doesn’t count, then why utter your idiocy in the first place?