Long Weekend Open Thread
Like a lot of people in the US of A, I am taking a long weekend. Posting may be a little light for a bit. So here’s an open thread for everyone else taking a long weekend. Or not. Use this thread for anything that’s not personal. Like misogyny, politics, kitties, you know the drill. (Though kitties are welcome in all threads, of course.)
I am hoping my long weekend turns out a bit better than that of the people in the Australian movie of that name from 1978, which I keep meaning to see. Apparently their little beach vacation doesn’t go so well, and they are attacked by … nature? At one point, I believe, they face off against an enraged dugong. (No, really.) The movie was recently remade, but apparently the remake wasn’t as good.
Stay tuned for more reviews of movies I haven’t seen and that I’m just giving vague impressions of based on things I’ve heard somewhere.
Posted on July 5, 2013, in off topic, open thread. Bookmark the permalink. 1,365 Comments.
If you are heading south, there used to be a place in West Virginia, right up on the Appalachian Trail with Apple Blossom in the name. It was a dive, more a motor court even than a motel, but in the fall it was delightful! I’ll see if i can find the card (I almost always keep the cards!!)
OMG: I don’t know why I dove into the popehat comments. I found a dude more irritating, tedious and wrong, than Brandon.
It’s mind boggling.
But the commentariat there is taking him apart; not that he gets it.
And I have a 9 hour day at work tomorrow, and the bobbin of yarn I was reeling broke, and I can’t find the end, so it’s sitting there mocking me with it’s “ha ha, you can’t work with me, and if you try I’ll be ruined”.
Fuggety.
Isn’t that how the “what about teh menz??!!” got started originally? Feminist bloggers having discussions about issues that affect women and then dudebros showing up and making it about them/their boners?
“Excuse me (a MAN), females, but street harassment pales in comparison to what I (a MAN) have to go through! Do you have any idea how hard it is to get laid these days as a MAN (I am a MAN)? Of course not! Because females (not MEN) can get laid any time they want, but only the top 10% of elite alpha male (MEN) underwear model multi-millionaire violent criminals are getting any sex, while good, decent, hardworking MEN like me aren’t getting any sex at all! Why aren’t you feminists talking about this? Why aren’t you feminists helping ME (a MAN)????”
pecunium, all my yarn sympathies. I just discovered that one of my cats has been nesting in a box of my yarn stash and it is now all higgeldy-piggeldy AND covered in fur!
The George Zimmerman stuff is pissing me off… Seriously, all the pro Zimmerman people have to say is “it’s the liberal media, you’re all so PC that you’ve made it into a race issue, people get murdered all the time so why do you care about this?”
Oh yeah, that’s true, too. If the woman is older, fatter, has a flat chest, or acne, then she isn’t good enough for them. Actually, the very existence of women who aren’t Maxim models is misandry.
And it’s not enough for the woman to look like a Maxim model, either. She also has to be submissive and spend all her time wearing lingerie and cooking him mealtloaf. Otherwise, she is a bitchy nag.
It’s always fun to see those guys come into feminist spaces to make these demands. That always turns out well for them.
And no short hair either! Long hair and perfect makeup and a tan (no tan lines!) And she has to have a passion for housework!
The incel guys who actually could get laid but don’t want to have to sleep with fat chicks or old chicks or anyone who doesn’t have the exact same relationship goals (or worse, the ones who actually are getting laid but say they’re incel anyway) make me roll my eyes so hard.
RE: Fibinachi
Check in an tell us how it all works out time and again, yes?
I plan to keep a pretty steady online presence, since I’m relying on my writing and art to keep myself funding. Will likely be investing in a personal hotspot. But fear not, Manboobzers, I shall not disappear!
RE: gillyrosebee
What a prize. Eesh. As for West Virginia, I’d likely be in THAT area in the spring, so no go.
RE: pecunium
OMG: I don’t know why I dove into the popehat comments. I found a dude more irritating, tedious and wrong, than Brandon.
I didn’t know that was POSSIBLE.
@auggziliary Ugh, with the Zimmerman stuff, I can’t even… The blatant racism of the mainstream coverage is bad enough, and then there is everyone on the pro Zimmerman side who take that and drag it down into the mud even further…
RE: katz
I’m still just plain PERPLEXED by the term ‘involuntarily celibate.’ I mean, outside of ace folk and people who’ve joined a monastery, aren’t MOST celibate people not that thrilled about it? (I was fine with it, but I’m apparently a weirdo.)
But I feel hypocritical because I do think it’s unfair to have to choose between, say, shitty housing and no housing, or a shitty job and no job. Thoughts? It’s the difference that sex isn’t a necessity, or that sex partners are people and thus you can’t demand a supply of them that meet your requirements?
OMG THIS GUY!!! Now I am getting his sob story about how busy he is and how he’s out of the country so he can’t get his hands on the materials he’d need to do it himself and he can give me another 12 hours to get it done (but oh, he forgot, he actually needs this other piece too…)
Since he stopped listening to a simple “no” I stopped answering, but that hasn’t stopped the messages…
How does that work anyway? I don’t understand. Isn’t the whole point of them calling themselves incel supposed to be that they want sex, but can’t find a sex partner?
That’s not hypocritical at all, for the very reasons you said. People deserve food, medical care, shelter, and water because they are required to live. Sex is a strong desire for a lot of people, but it is not essential to survival. And a person who can’t find a sex partner can masturbate. It might not be what they prefer, but at least it doesn’t turn their desire for sex into someone else’s obligation to provide sex.
“The George Zimmerman stuff is pissing me off… Seriously, all the pro Zimmerman people have to say is “it’s the liberal media, you’re all so PC that you’ve made it into a race issue, people get murdered all the time so why do you care about this?””
RAGGEEEE
I am currently avoiding seeking food because I just know I’ll be in for another round of how he was defending his neighborhood from a violent drug using gangster. Totally serious, and this is interspersed with rants about Obama inviting Russian troops in case of riots when the trial ends. And how that’s treason and an act of war and don’t for a second think…
[TRIGGER WARNING: RAPE]
…that they won’t gang rape Americans.
(Why is it always gang rape? Do they just like the word gang? Someone explain how being raped by 2+ people is some special class of rape, and more importantly, why it’s made out to be HORRIBAD…cuz uh…that just results in people *cough*Argenti like people*cough* being extra ashamed…)
And now I need food to continue working, and I WILL get this done today! (Oh, I said fuck it to converting categorical data to binary data and sorted it out for chi-squared analysis, we have more statistically significant things than I thought. Or rather, we don’t, while everyone else does…go go gadget accepting people!)
RE: katz
It’s the difference that sex isn’t a necessity, or that sex partners are people and thus you can’t demand a supply of them that meet your requirements?
Both. Also, in my experience, ANY housing is better than NO housing. I will take living in a closet over living on the street. I will take a shitty room filled with mold over living in a closet. Even dilapidated housing with awful rent and an evil landlord and no conveniences whatsoever is superior to no housing at all.
Sex is NOT like that. Abusive sex, in my experience, is WAY worse than no sex at all. Like, if I’d been giving the choice between the raping year and a year of teenage celibacy, let me tell you, I would’ve chose the celibacy in a heartbeat. Most people would, I’m sure. It’s not even a case of, “I don’t NEED sex,” it’s that sex can be so awful that it’s worse than nothing.
That’s something a lot of these ‘incels’ don’t seem to understand. They just seem to assume that any sex is better than no sex, and assume that even rape is better than celibacy. (I actually have encountered one of those guys. Needless to say, when he tried comparing his bachelorhood to my raping year, I told him that with an attitude like that, I couldn’t FATHOM why he was still single and unlaid.)
So the two things are entirely incomparable. They’re trying to pretend sex and basic needs are required. When really, maybe love and companionship are needed for health (but nobody’s obligated to hang out with you if you’re horrible) but sex? No. Not at all.
I guess I am currently an involuntarily celibate since I would love to have a committed partner making passionate love to me on a regular basis. But I do not find this condition terrible, and have many other things to be happy about.
Yeah, I’d like to eat ice cream every day for lunch and not have to spend extra time on the treadmill for it, but I can tell the difference between “wouldn’t it be cool if” and “omg, I’m gonna die if.” Everyone wants things all their own way and everyone eventually has to grow up and realize that the world doesn’t work that way.
Or, you know, not. But being petulant doesn’t make them more likely to get laid.
I like the analogy, actually. Only I think it’s more like choosing between decent housing that may not have the turret and hot tub and walk in closets you would love in your heart of hearts, and living on the lawn in a leaky tent out of spite and yelling about how horrible it is that your landlord didn’t give you a jacuzzi in your little rent controlled studio.
These guys aren’t metaphorically homeless, they are just not able to have the flash west side mansions they want but don’t have to work for.
Ok.. the Popehat thread has been redeemed. A guy gave a great definition of creepy:
I am going to save that, it’s hella useful.
I like it. Succinct and focused on the behavior in a way that will hopefully short circuit the whole “it’s just a cover for saying ‘unattractive guy'” bullshit.
RE: pecunium
Hmmm. I myself am a little uncertain about the ‘unaware’ bit. I’ve known some people who’re hella awkward, but they’ve always given me different vibes than the creepy. (Obviously, it’s sometimes difficult to make that judgment call, when you don’t know someone well.) What do other Boobzers think?
RE: gillyrosebee
Exactly. And you know, if you count the raping year as sexual activity, I was celibate for a couple years before meeting hubby. (And then we had to spend ANOTHER three years or so slowly defusing triggers so I could just have sex, instead of it turning into a horrible opera of pain and sobbing.) It is SOOOO not comparable to my housing situation.
Maybe if one of those houses were haunted by Freddy Kreuger and Michael Myers, maybe then they would have an argument to fall back on…
Nope. They are still talking out of their asses.
LBT, while all pain is unique, I have had some similar experiences and similar difficulties working back from them. All the love and hugs if you want them.
Some brain bleach
I like that definition a lot. I need a way to save it in my memory, since its useful, and I know I’ll forget it. My memory is crappy.
LBT, I think unaware is good. Like a lot of Americans are creeped out by how the French kiss each others cheeks for a greeting. If a French person didnt know better and kissed an American like that, the American would still be creeped out, even if they know the French person didnt know any better.
RE: auggziliary
Ah, that’s true. That makes sense. (And we actually have French neighbors. Apparently one of our roommates taught the guy the concept of the ‘brohug.’ He apparently found this as mystifying as US men find the kissing.)
LBT, haha, that’s kind of cute.
I’ve never met a French person. Well actually I did see a French couple fighting in the grocery store once, but I don’t think that counts. I was in aw listening to them, since I am fascinated by different cultures, and rarely see foreigners.
I’ve heard they’re kind of sassy though, so maybe they weren’t fighting.
Maybe split the definiton? So disregarding what makes someone uncomfortable is being intentionally creepy, and being unaware is accidentally creepy?
RE: auggziliary
There are plenty of people who speak French in my area–though I think most of them are from Haiti, and are actually speaking Haitian Creole. The neighbors I do know to be from France, though. They seem to be very nice people, very friendly. I don’t know them very well.
Good news from Calif: Trans kids to get to choose restrooms/what team to play on K-12
I think it’s useful: It’s not a moral judgement. It’s an explanation of what makes the action creepy. Motive us independent. One can be uncaring without fell intent.
But it moves it to behavior, not “ooh… s/he doesn’t like him; there’s no, “schving!”
LBT: I’ll be moving to Missoula, MT to start grad school, uh, tomorrow. Everyone I’ve ever talked to has had nothing but praise for the scenic beauty and progressive-arty-college-town-ness of Missoula. I’m not sure what my living situation will be like yet, but you’re welcome to crash on my couch if I have a couch.
I would welcome you to stay somewhere in my house but my mom would assume you were some rapist stalker.
RE: the kidwiththereplaceablehead
Sweet! Perhaps I shall visit Missoula then.
RE: auggziliary
That’s fine. It’s a common assumption.
Speaking of rape culture, have you seen this:
I’m especially fond of the guy who thinks that hidden cameras are not cool – but apparently raping completely intoxicated people is.
@pecunium, On r/mr some dude is hatching a plan to use that new law to the advantage of cis men! See here.
Off to a wedding!
I don’t even… Is there anything these people won’t find misandrist?
Grey sky, I can’t bring myself to watch that video…
At my University, the justification for having an all male football team and no women’s football team was that women had a synchronized swimming team for which there was no men’s equivalent.
Obviously, this is unfair to men. Fight the power, r/mr.
auggziliary@ Well to break it down: They have to female actors pretending to be very drunk in bars, and a male actor pretending to drag one of them off; the idea is to see if people react.
The horrible part: It never goes as planned, because local men consistently butt in to try and drag the women off for real.
The uplifting part: Other women tend to intervene.
Two female actors. Two.
I believe that I have found the alternate reality that MRAs are accessing our internet from: http://sliders.wikia.com/wiki/The_Weaker_Sex
RE: cloudiah
*snort* Yeah, cis dudes. Good luck with that. I’m POSITIVE that you would take the transphobia like champs. Just… ugh. Thanks, dudes, for making shit EVEN HARDER on trans women and girls. Like they don’t get the shit end of the stick enough already.
I mean, my brother plays volleyball. There was no men’s volleyball at our schools in Texas. How did my brother deal with this? HE FOUND OTHER TEAMS. He didn’t try and pretend he was trans, Jesus!
RE: GreySky
No thanks, I’d rather keep my brains today.
I create now a new concept : “Manboobz and love”, stories about the effects commenting on Manboobz can have on your relationship.
I begin : a few months back, when I was still living in a boring Bostonian suburb full of boring calvinist-but-progressive libtards, I downloaded a software which permits me to recover everything I write in the comments box because, for some reasons, I was afraid that something can prevent you from reading all the shit I fancy to spew in the comments box, dunno why, probably because I was really bored back then.
Anyway, two weeks ago, I discovered that this little software saved not only the comments I had written but also the messages Ms. Brz has sent on facebook and in one of them she was complimenting a man I didn’t know on the size of his virile member while picking on the smallness (and weakness) of the dick of one of her ex-workers. I eventually discovered later that there was a half-dozen of other men and that there always has been other men since the beginning. It’s not even that she’s nymphomaniac, she primarily needed to compare all the time, to make sure that there isn’t a more handsome, a more clever, a more masculine guy out there waiting for her and she needed to do that while trying to transform me into a good beta provider she won’t be attracted to, something I’m unable to be. It’s probably the thing that saved me from becoming a cuckolded for life husband-provider raising kids who probably wouldn’t have been mine : I can be anything but a stable provider. Although, it’s Manboobz which really saved me : she was really a very good liar able to create fake stories on demand while looking at you with an innocent gaze to cover up cheating, if I had never written a comment on Manboobz, I would never have known the truth.
There I am discovering that I lived for the past five years with a caricature of the hypergamous, narcissistic, unworthy and amoral woman people talk about in the manosphere.
I wasn’t a complete asshole before, I was a semi-asshole, a proto-asshole because I didn’t believe in anything which deals with the “alpha theory”. Now I start to think that there might be some truth in it, even if I still hold no desire of becoming an “alpha” male (I try to find an elegant way of being a cuckolded man).
It was the last piece of assholiness I needed to become a kind of a super-asshole like there are super-saiyans.
I leave you as I have now to think about what I can do with my newly acquired super-powers, it probably involves transforming women into objects because of my total incapacity at treating women as human beings.
Damn, dude, you are trying way too hard. Good trolling should look effortless.
Cool story bro.
Cool story Brz.
Because every single woman is totally like your wife. Just like every black person is like that one family that acted totally ghetto that lived down the street. And just like every gay person is like that drug addict that hit on little boys. And just like every trans woman is just a dude with a cross dressing fetish but takes it too far. And every Mexican is like that immigrant that totally lived next to me and was a drug dealer for every other Mexican.
Not another imaginary girlfriend story. Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
Yeah you put too much effort in to that story, man. I feel icky now since I gave you such a long reply.
Auggz, what has happend to your lemur? :O
Basically this isn’t that hard. You should have learned this in high school English class, or just common sense: some =/= all, and even if all were like “that” then that still doesn’t make them inherently like “that”.
Example: racist: “this annoying pack of n—–s used to live next to me. They robbed everyone’s house and had 7 kids, yet they never wanted a job because welfare, pimping, and dealing crack gave them enough money to get koolaid and fried chicken. These people are what made me a racist asshole, I know I was a bit before, but this was the final straw”.
(Holy shit that hurt to write).
Brz, this is what you are arguing, but with women.
Stuff Brz the Boring, here’s Maddie playing this morning!
Kittehserf, I derped something with WordPress.
So Brz is on some exchange, and has been for… five years? On this exchange he has brought his SO?
Cool story bro.
Here’s a chilled out lemur:
http://futureal33.deviantart.com/art/Sunbathing-Meditating-Lemur-209346337
On the popehat thread… the Rebecca Watson Story (with strawfeminiss, “self declared who think any man who looks at a woman is a rapist) is interesting to see in the wild.
Upside, a guy who had the details wrong looked into it when challenged and apologised for not having the facts properly when he used it as an example.
Be fair, pecunium. How long do you think it would take Brz to finish a program that normally takes 2 years?
(In an imaginary world in which he wasn’t full of shit.)
GODFUCKING DAMMIT THIS COMMENT DIED TWICE. Why the hell is my backspace key sending me back through Internet time instead of fixing typos?
Anyway, yes, Brz, your totally-not-bullshit story is very nice. But you know, if you look for an excuse to be an asshole, you WILL find it. All it says to me is that you’re the kind of person who sees being an asshole an acceptable way to deal with shit.
And a video of some lemurs being curious:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RwJnhviCf0o&feature=related
Lemurs in my opinion are more cool than cute, they’re kind of like a fox with the body of a monkey. Plus they use their tails for cool things, like holding them high like a flag so other lemurs don’t get lost, and spreading scents on their tails and using them like a fan.
@Auggziliary
This makes me uncomfortable. What, exactly, is “Native American stuff”?
@Katz
“Necessity” might be too strong, especially when compared to shelter or income, but I actually think sex is extremely important, inasmuch as it’s both a deep biological drive for most of us, and a form of companionship. It’s one of the reasons I so loathe the “just don’t have sex if you don’t want kids” argument. I think your latter notion is more on point: as important as sex is, you don’t get to have it at the expense of other people. And from what I’ve seen of “incels”, their inability to get the kind of sex they want is due to them being creepy, sexist assholes – in your “shitty work vs no work” scenario, they’d be that guy who turns down perfectly decent jobs (or gets fired from them) because he has no work ethic and makes ridiculous demands.
@Cloudiah
Yeah, I’m sure high school boys will be lining up for the chance to play on the girls’ team.
Bonus points: a law that applies across the gender board isn’t “considering men’s rights”. Unintentionally revealing that “men’s rights” isn’t really about equality, much?
“I leave you as I have now to think about what I can do with my newly acquired super-powers, it probably involves transforming women into objects because of my total incapacity at treating women as human beings.”
Yes, you are a misogynist. Being honest with yourself is nice.
“GODFUCKING DAMMIT THIS COMMENT DIED TWICE. Why the hell is my backspace key sending me back through Internet time instead of fixing typos?”
Shit, is the TARDIS emergency break on again?!
RE: Argenti
It was obnoxious as hell! I’d be typing along, and then suddenly SURPRISE YOU’RE ON ANOTHER PAGE. This comp is really shit, and the mouse is placed right by my fingers, so possibly I bumped it and then it’d think I wanted to backspace the page, rather than the comment box. YECH.
Also, dig it, a poet I really like wrote poetry about Frankenstein if he were trans! (She is what I want to be when I grow up, only prose instead of poetry.)
“Yes, you are a misogynist. Being honest with yourself is nice.”
Isn’t it just? I’m heartened to see that my using whichever bathroom was closest during stage crew is now totally legal in Cali.
Dude, why did you need some elaborate and totally true for real guys story to justify being a sexist asshole? If you weren’t a sexist asshole in the first place, you wouldn’t react like that.
And yes, you clearly do have trouble seeing women as people. Do you assume everything a person does is because of their gender? Whenever a woman acts like a “bitch” to me, I don’t think “typical woman”, I just think “Jesus what a jerk”. When a man acts like that to me, I do the same.
When we say “women are people” we are not saying “women are angels”, what part of this do you not understand?
You’re not making one bit of sense. Literally everything in your comment was bullshit, except about us saying you don’t see women as people.
Emilygoddess, I mean like museums and parks that have info and artifacts on the Native Americans that were there, and their history. I guess that’s touristy, but I always like them. Well kind of, they’re really sad, so I like them for being informative.
Also I was assuming LBT was not American and didn’t know about Native American cultures.
Sorry if that came across weird.
I admit, it’s people like Brz that made me worry that when shit hit the fan, I too would turn into a massive asshole. I’ve lost a couple of friends who got really nasty when things got bad for them, and I worried I’d follow the same way.
Thank god that so far, I haven’t. Because eesh, who’d want to end up like Brz? I guess he IS a Super-Saiyan; he spends a lot of time standing in place, babbling on and on about how powerful he is and how awesome and staring at people, but not actually doing much.
The sudden geek reference isn’t really in keeping with the persona he’s trying to sell either.
What was the program called, Brz?
@LBT
What you need is a program to save your comments. That way, you can avoid these things happening, and even stumble across evidence of a partner being duplicitious that somehow convinces you of the sensibility of the more reactionary side of the men’s right “movement”.
:)
and the blockquote monster prowls popehat too (have I mentioned how much gin I added to my tonic tonight?)
LBT, I’m seconding the recommendation for visiting the Badlands. They are absolutely stunning.
Also, depending on when exactly you visit the Dakota areas, I may have a couch in a crappy one-room college apartment to offer you (only if you are comfortable accepting this from an internet stranger, of course).