Heartiste: Men need to be able to hit their mates in order to “retain” them
A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.
You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”
Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?
Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.
Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:
When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:
The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.
In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.
Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.
I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.
I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”
Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.
If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.
EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.
Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”
After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!
He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:
See also here, here, here, here, and here.
Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.
Posted on June 24, 2013, in advocacy of violence, alpha males, creepy, domestic violence, douchebaggery, evo psych fairy tales, grandiosity, heartiste, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, PUA, racism and tagged domestic violence, heartiste, misogyny, pick-up artists, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 801 Comments.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Wow… this is reaching disturbing levels of violence against women.
@ Howard
I don’t beat women. I end bullshit. I hate bullies regardless of their gender.
Greg: Oh, so talking shit gets you beat? Who are you gonna send to beat up all of us?
You need to fuck off with your graphic descriptions, I think you enjoy it too much.
How about ending your bullshit now and leaving, Greg? Since you’re a bullshit ender and all.
…by having your friends beat women. Yep, total asshole who likes to beat women who “disprespect” you.
“@ Howard
I don’t beat women. I end bullshit. I hate bullies regardless of their gender.”
You’d be just as much of a creepy asshole if it was a man you beat up.
Ok. I’m buying some Red Stripe today just because of the commercials.
Greg hates bullies?
Greg, you are a fucking bully.
You say a woman who talks shit about you gets a beating if she’s lucky and sexual assault if she’s not.
But you wouldn’t start anything with a biker, because anything that happened then would be on you.
YOU ARE A FUCKING BULLY, AND A WEASEL.
@Ally
Guys get shot to death in the hood for wearing the wrong color, but I don’t see anyone on here saying shit about that.
BTW, ratchets aren’t human beings. They’re the scum of the earth just like gang bangers who mess up communities.
That’s how we dealt with ratchet ass chicks in the hood. She actually got off easy, because they usually get their vaginas and assholes super glued.
Cool story Bro.
(well, no: it’s a violently misogynist fantasy: revelatory about you, but bullshit).
Same goes for countless other MRAs. Seriously, that’s one of the major reasons I stay the fuck away from MRA websites most of the time.
Greg: this isn’t a blog about mocking hunters, dipshit.
That you can blithely dehumanize people says a lot about you, exactly none of it flattering.
@ Howard
I keep to myself, so I don’t anything with anyone.
Aaaaaaand I totally misread “hood” as “woods.” The point about not that blog stands.
Despite flailing, Greg is still a bully and an asshole who doesn’t know how to properly troll.
-2/10 Because, bored.
Yeah, you’re a fuckin’ prince who outsources your beatings.
I don’t beat women.
Nope, you get other peole to do it for you.
I hate bullies regardless of their gender.
Unless they are bullying people for you.
Guys get shot to death in the hood for wearing the wrong color, but I don’t see anyone on here saying shit about that.
I don’t see anyone here praising it either. What I do see is you exulting in women being beaten (and fantasizing about worse things).
BOO violence against women! HOORAY BEER!
That’s going to be the last one because Greg is getting more and more disturbing and I don’t want to forever associate funny beer commercials with disturbingly detailed fantasies about hurting people.
supporting my ‘masturbating furiously’ hypothesis
I speak for everyone when I say that none of the regulars here support unwarranted violence. Unlike you.
Everyone is a human being. Hurting someone is acceptable if it’s purely in self-defense, but being a physically aggressive asshole in revenge is neither just nor a form of self-defense.
I shouldn’t need to explain this shit to you.
MRA sites do not advocate violence towards innocent people.
However, posters on this site want people to do nothing about being abused.
BTW, calling the cops is pointless. Restraining orders are also pointless. Buying a gun and defending yourself is the best option.
Love all the art!! My username is Debi626 but I just have a few crappy poems I wrote a while ago and haven’t updated…trying to write more though!!
Greg–what you propose, does nothing but keep esculation going and is assholey
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you’re dumb.
I don’t support violence just like cops who have shot suspects to death don’t support killing.
A bully with the intelligence of a box of rocks. Color me not surprised.
Greg, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Everything you say about what to do about abuse is wrong, especially what you think we want to do about it. Fuck off or be funnier.
credibility -10/10
Wrong. Nowhere did we say that self-defense is a bad thing. We just don’t espouse your disgusting violent revenge fantasies.
HELLKELL, SHOW, me proof that MRA sites advocate violence towards innocent people.
How did you people feel when Navy Seals killed OBL?
Aww, the toddler is having a temper tantrum.
GREG: YOU MADE THE CLAIM, YOU GET TO BACK IT UP.
Unless of course you think baby girls aren’t innocent and SHOULD have their voice boxes cut out.
Go ahaed and search the Spearhead, I’ll wait.
MRA sites did not condone What Tony Powell did or the LA Fitness shooting spree in Pittsburg.
If you have proof stating otherwise, then post a link.
An MRA pretending to be a tough guy from the ‘hood? Showing what a big man he is with his stories of beating women or getting others to do it?
Ho hum, just another day at the office.
Ok, anyone else want to email David or should I? I have a couple things to go over with him regarding All This Fucking Data anyways if you want me to do it.
Discordia — adding you now!
Pecunium — join us!
OK, seriously, enough horrifying troll.
Everyone who isn’t following LBT should because they are very very talented.
Noooo borked the link:
http://lb-lee.deviantart.com/
Aregenti: already contacted the Dark Lord.
Greg: you don’t understand how this works. You make a claim, you back it up.
Why should any of us have to produce proof when you’ve categorically failed to produce any?
(but to answer your vapid question: does the name ‘Thomas Ball’ ring a bell?)
And the dimwit thinks MRAs didn’t praise Sodini. What a maroon.
Arrghhhh there’s an h in Pittsburgh! 7 years there and my grandfather always spelt it Pittsburg, drove me up a wall!
Also, another appeal to emotion. You’re at 7 points for the Spot! That! Fallacy! show. Current record holder is Obsidan at 20 pts. (2 for two appeals to emotion, and the 5 maximum for goalpost moving, and I give it 5 min before another for this whole make a claim insist we prove you wrong shit).
If I were Greg and I mugged (or claimed to mug, or had someone mug) everyone who’d ever annoyed me, I too would think that there was pretty much no violence on MRA sites.
Didn’t see anything on spearhead about voice boxes being cut out.
Let’s not forget about Angry Harry, who expressed an apologetic attitude towards a man bombing his wife’s house and asserted that abused women like being abused.
Greg: did you look?
You win the prize for being the most gleefully pro-violence troll I think I’ve ever seen breeze through here. The prize is my undying contempt. Enjoy.
I don’t think Greg’s reading skills are quite up to par for such a simple task.
hellkell — ok, I haven’t really formed coherent questions about presenting the data anyways, and I’d rather not be emailing him a ton!
Wow, Greg, you sure did look hard, didn’t you?
I saved the link — http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/spearhead-forum-misandry.php?page=7
Anything that Greg has not personally seen does not exist and is inadmissible as evidence. Anything that Greg decides is true is automatically true and needs no evidence.
CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS.
According to Greg, a woman talking shit about you means she should get beat up.
This is not abuse apologism at all/sarcasm
and now you’re bragging about it. Seems to me that you are a disgusting fuckhead who wants to see people beat up.
@howardbann1ster
that is my thought exact. it’s like… ugh
Okay, my racist vocab is off, but is “ratchet” a derogatory word to refer to a black woman you don’t like? Because if it is, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
How about you read the site (manboobz) too see all of the examples yourself instead of trolling?
@Argenti: I had just now finished my 2.5 minutes of searching, and found that link, only to find you had saved it.
*heavy sigh*
@Fade:
Urban Dictionary on “ratchet”
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratchet
I’m going to go way out on a limb and say, yeah, totally racist.
(and it does get worse…)
Totally fucking racist.
@ Howard
I saw that foul screen shot about the voice boxes. That guy needs to be shot in the neck and left for dead in Death Valley.
That’s not how I get down. I only advocate for bullies getting beat or killed.
Anyone can post on an MRA site. I use to be a subcriber to TFL until they kicked off members for getting a girlfriend.
MRA is suppose to be about male pride, educating men on the legal system, and training men on the trade craft of dealing with female bullies. It’s not suppose to be about killing or hurting innocent people.
But Greg is NOT an abuse apologist!
A ratchet can be a foul uncooth woman of any race. It isn’t just meant for Black women.
Advocates killing people for having odious views.
Then says ‘this isn’t supposed to be about killing or hurting innocent people.’
Is totally unaware of irony.
Greg is down with people getting beat or killed for being “uncooth.” Greg: stand-up fucking guy.
Ok, guys? Who thinks we need non-David mods in various time zones and schedules so fuckers like this can get the banhammer faster?
Because THAT is the appropriate response to calls for violence. Not violence. Violence continues to never be the answer.
Not to mention the term “ratchet” is ABSOLUTELY used against WOC specifically don’t even play that game.
@Greg
Ah, so you’re just saying some women aren’t human beings and using a racist word to assert that?
That is so much better. Not.
“A ratchet can be a foul uncooth woman of any race. It isn’t just meant for Black women.”
Assuming that you’re correct here, that just means that you’re using a misogynistic term.
No big deal.
RE: Greg
No, I am not an asshole. I am a dick, because assholes get fucked.
You say this like I somehow expect to be ASHAMED of it. (By the way, guys, tomorrow is me and hubby’s sixth anniversary! WOOOOOO!)
Also, my dearest, darling Manboobzers! In honor of our pipsqueak trolls, I have decided that whenever one espouses a repulsive viewpoint, I shall write or draw about the reverse. So, in honor of Greg, I shall have to write about people in a tough neighborhood dealing with conflict in non-violent, healthy ways.
Anyone want to weigh in with other details they’d like seen in this piece of pacifism?
If that fails, I’ll take over katz’s duty and start posting Old Spice Guy.
@ Greg
Are you a pacifist?
…Greg… did you just try and sock-puppet but forget to change accounts? Wow.
@LBT
Congratulations to you guys!
Biff. Non-conflict.
That is all.
(Also, did Thomas get laid? Can I read it?)
Says the bully who posted his wanking material of ordering his buddies to beat up women who “disrespect” him.
Oh, congrats!
My brain shorted on Biff.
So let me get this straight, greg
You’re telling us that if you judge a woman to be uncouth, she is no longer a person and violence against her is not only ok, but advisable?
You are a piece of work.