Heartiste: Men need to be able to hit their mates in order to “retain” them
A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.
You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”
Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?
Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.
Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:
When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:
The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.
In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.
Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.
I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.
I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”
Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.
If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.
EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.
Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”
After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!
He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:
See also here, here, here, here, and here.
Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.
Posted on June 24, 2013, in advocacy of violence, alpha males, creepy, domestic violence, douchebaggery, evo psych fairy tales, grandiosity, heartiste, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, PUA, racism and tagged domestic violence, heartiste, misogyny, pick-up artists, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 801 Comments.
@Amnesia
Yay! Thanks for sharing, those look totally wonderful :D I love your paint and how you do faces especially.
@Katz
I’m on DeviantArt! here: http://kitti47.deviantart.com/ Are you?
MANBOOBZ DEVIANT ART GROUP FOR THE WIN!
Now going to ignore the troll because he’s kind of repetative and I’d rather talk about art.
@ Katz
what’s your deviant art name? I shall join you!
I’m going to guess trolly will say yes, but that he thinks more things are disrespectful from women than from men (like “women not smiling at me on the elevators is spitting on me” guy I may have only heard about…)
I can be found here
@fade
I draw almost exclusively fan art XD
@katz
Yay! ::goes to check out your deviant art page::
@Katz
Sweet. You mind if I add you as a friend? (deviant art has a mark as friend box when you’re watching people but I always feel weird marking it unless we actually talk because then I think someone would say “Wait, I’m marked as your friend? We don’t even know each other. Creeepy” or something the point is I am paranoid)
If you find yourself having to demoralize a guy, then just leave him alone. You’re not obgliated to be with him. Why be a bully towards a guy?
But hey, if it’s a woman being, “uppity”, then the answer isn’t, “leave her alone”, it’s, “knock some
fearrespect into her.So nice to see someone who is honest about his desire to abuse people.
Do you people think this country is one huge suburbia? No low income areas, no ghettos, no psychotic women who intentionally target men who they see as easy targets, and etc?
Ooh… another moron who thinks that because he’s a shit, and lives in a poor part of town that means he “has to” be violent to women.
Newsflash kiddo, I grew up in E. LA. I have family in Compton (which is a lot better now than it was 30 years ago). I’m in NYC now.
The “rules” you imply are “for everyone” in those parts of the world, aren’t. They are the code of the asshole.
I take note that you are making shit up. “Quick money from a false rape accusation”. Hah! One, it’s a crime, not a tort. Two, even if it were a tort, it’s not quick; because you’d have to prove it to show damages. No conviction, no money.
So you are stupidly full of shit.
Yeeeeesssssss friend meeeeeee it is all part of my plaaaaaaaaaaannnnnn
(No idea why I’m being creepy today.)
How stupid? You just said women ought to beat you up, until you stop being willing to hit them for, “being disrespectful, or demoralising” you.
(this doesn’t even begin to address the huge legal/moral/logical fail in your ideas of what constitutes self-defense)
@Katz
haha, it is done then XD
@katz
I’m the rude one who just assumed to friend you automatically ::puts on cone of shame::
I do what works for me.
I have beeen abused twice by women. I got one abuser jumped, and the other one got her kid taken. Both abusers stopped being abusers and humbled themselves. They found out that there are consequences for their actions and some of their victims are willing to drop to their grimy level and hit them below the belt.
Professionals and bloggers don’t know crap about how to deal with abusers. That’s why the victim usually ends up dead, severly injured, or scarred for life.
Marie, I am an aggressive friender, so no need to apologize to me :)
@pecunium
Sometimes rules have to be bent.
@katz
:D ::parties:;
Also, all in favor of ignoring the troll? (if anyone wants to keep poking him, fine by me, I’m just done trying to respond.)
@Greg
Sometimes which rules have to be bent? Women have to leave men alone if they’re acting in a way the men don’t like, but men don’t have to leave women alone if a woman is doing that, they should punch her in the face?
@Fade.
It actually applies to men and women. If a man is in a woman’s face, breaking her stuff, and etc she has the right to use immediate action. If that means using pepper spray or a stun gun, then so be it. Once immediate action is taken, then leave the person alone. Change your phone number, move out/ kick the person out, and sever all communication.
You mean leaving the person alone such as trying to use their kids against them or telling people to jump them?
I’m just going to trot out Myoo’s fabulous dancing goalposts.
Pecunium — come to the dark side! Join us on DA!
Me — http://argentiaertheri.deviantart.com/
Adding y’all!
So Greg what you’re saying is that you have never hit a woman, you have just had other people hit a woman for you.
Is that correct?
@ fade
It depends on what the person did. If the person did some extremely foul crap, then it’s okay to call DCFS on them or to get them jumped.
As for DCFS, there has to proof of neglect or child abuse. I was in a situation where the woman I was dating was selling foodstamps meant for the child for drugs, not taking her daughter to school, because she was tol drunk to get out of bed, and using her child to claim child molestation in order to Blackmail men out of money. I actually had audio proof of her doing those things.
BOO abusive asshole! HOORAY BEER!
But you waited until she was “disrespecting” you to do anything about it.
Christ, what an asshole.
@Argenti Aertheri
::Squees:: Added! :D
@chibigodzilla
That’s almost correct. My friends just beat her down, and I didn’t bother telling them to stop.
The chick was a gang banger, so she didn’t go to the cops. I knew her friend who was in the same gang, and he told me that she deserved to get beatdown and no one would retaliate. This was back in 2002.
BOO not reporting child abusers right away! HOORAY BEER!
why do I care if some asshole you talked to thinks a woman you had beat up deserved to get beat up?
Why are you even here?
The “get them jumped” part is what makes you a gaping asshole, Greg.
@Kat
You mad sis?
BOO taking justice into your own hands! HOORAY BEER!
Fuck, forgot the vid.
No, I am not an asshole. I am a dick, because assholes get fucked.
@Greg
That’s cute. Now go away.
Trolling protip: You don’t roll out the “U mad bro?” until someone is actually angry. You’re just an asshole.
No, Greg, you’re an asshole. Nice homophobia you got going on with all your other bullshit.
Damn Katz, you seem mad about it.
BOO implicit homophobia! HOORAY BEER!
-1/10
Failure to properly apply troll phrases.
Straight women like being fucked in the ass too, so I have no idea where you got the homophobia crap from.
Some straight guys like being finger fucked in the asshole by women too.
Dude, I’ve been looking up Red Stripe commercials on YouTube. I’m in an incredibly good mood.
There are lots of different aquatic environments too btw. Saltwater of course, but reefs, and freshwater — rivers, lakes, wherever a walking catfish may walk. And brackish. And black water, which is basically a home bog. Plus planted tanks, and ecosystems. And those weird nanocubes (idk if I’d trust one of those if you experience extended power outages, don’t think they’d do well for long without the filter)
Boring troll is boring.
Greg, fuck off, asshole.
…I cannot imagine that being pleasant to have in your house.
Can you grow cranberries in it?
“I made you really mad, right? You’re mad. You seem mad. Man I really got to you. I must have struck a nerve. You’re super pissed. Oh yeah, so angry. I’m so incisive and cutting.” *masturbating furiously*
I know how to derail this thread!
What sorts of data do you want too see from the survey? I mean the “how did people who answered X answer Y” stuff. The basics will probably get done tonight as I’m pretty much caught up with the surveys (we’re at 1,643 and I’m done through 1,623)
I can theoretically have charts/graphs ready for tomorrow, but probably won’t until the weekend so I can make ‘em look good and provide as much data as possible with as little confusion as possible (it’s A Lot Of Data)
…woooo, Greg, keep telling us more of these manly manly stories about how you are such a tough guy that you would stand up to a 300lb biker dude and aren’t scared to totally fantasize about massively lopsided and violent retribution against women.
It totally doesn’t reveal things about your psyche that are really, really unpleasant.
Now who said that a person sent to prison over false rape charges isn’t a big deal?
How would one of you feminist like it if a teenage boy lied about statutory rape, and your ass got sent to prison for seven years?
Idk? I can’t see it harming the fish, but they do tend to nibble so idk if the berries would stand a chance (wouldn’t even try it with any sort of bottom feeder, they’ll eat pretty much anything)
Spot! That! Fallacy!
Appeal to emotion – where an argument is made due to the manipulation of emotions, rather than the use of valid reasoning.
@ Howard, please quote me where I said I would stand up to 300 pound biker.
BOO false rape myth! HOORAY BEER!
Lemon Curry?
Sometimes rules have to be bent.
The fuck does that mean?
I mean look at you… you have to get other people to do your dirty work (getting someone jumped, using the courts to take kids away).
The abuser here is you, boyo.
Once immediate action is taken, then leave the person alone.
Ah… this is one of those rules that *you* get to bend (what with engaging in vendettas, and “the system” to go after people you weren’t willing to use, “immediate action” to go after.
You can’t even live by your own code. So you celebrate abuse; which means your being a moral pygmy (even by your own stunted standards) is no surprise.
It depends on what the person did. If the person did some extremely foul crap, then it’s okay to call DCFS on them or to get them jumped.
Gee… no danged of that escalating. No one who might think killing someone who was willing to engage other people to beat them up, or get their kids taken away.
Nah… that couldn’t happen.
The chick was a gang banger, so she didn’t go to the cops. I knew her friend who was in the same gang, and he told me that she deserved to get beatdown and no one would retaliate. This was back in 2002.
This is bullshit. What the fuck does, “this was back in 2002, have to do with it. Was 2002 some special year where beating on a gang member was just accepted? Because if that’s the case the streets have gotten way different than they were. No one accepted that kind of disrespect. You beat on someone in a gang, and it wasn’t a “fair” fight, and that shit comes back to you.
Sounds to me like you were worried the gang might retaliate against you, so you slacked off; let your friends risk the weight. Classy.
What dishonest troll says:
Well, who did say that, troll? No one here, you lying asshat. :D
Katz is apologizing for people who lie about rape. Shame on her.
Now who said that a person sent to prison over false rape charges isn’t a big deal?
No one.
What was said was the case you cited, didn’t say what you were using it to say, and that false rape (as a category of problem; not as an individual one) isn’t a big deal.
Because it isn’t. It’s about as common as any other falsely reported crime.
I love how Greg is literally alternating between demanding that we prove that he said things and saying that we said things that we didn’t.
Hey now, let’s not insult Pygmys! (No, seriously, there are rumors of them being cannablized in the Congonese war — http://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/pygmies )
Howard. to be fair what the Gregster said was that if he stood up to a 6’7″, 350 lb biker and lost, that would be on him.
But we know he wouldn’t do that. He’d get some lady friends to beat him up, and the biker’s pals would be totes down for that, cause the guy was an asshole.
Does … he not realize we can scroll up and see for ourselves what people actually said?
That seems to be a common troll malady.
You really should take classes to help develop your reading skills bro.
BOO running out of Red Stripe “Boo” commercials! HOORAY OTHER RED STRIPE COMMERCIALS!
Everyone will tell me if they’re getting sick of Red Stripe commercials, right? Because I could watch the Red Stripe ambassador all day.
Thank you for being so informative, sir. /sarcasm
I’m sorry, I was wrong, I misread. You totally said you wouldn’t.
Does that make your extended masturabatory fantasies about beating women CREEPIER?
I think so.
@pecunium
Sometimes street justice is the best justice.
The chick talked shit to my friends, to me, and claimed that her brother was going to jump me.
She learned a valuable lesson that night. STFU or get jumped. She was known in the neighborhood for being a shit starter.
That’s how we dealt with ratchet ass chicks in the hood. She actually got off easy, because they usually get their vaginas and assholes super glued.
Moar Red Stripe amabassador lulz plz!