Women Laughing Alone At Tom Martin (and his video project about “gold-digging women”)
Gold digger, 1933 model
This won’t be news to a lot of you — I’m a little late getting to it — but our old pal Tom Martin, the repulsive British MRA celebrity, is actually going ahead with the somewhat baffling video “women and comedy” project he was babbling about in the comments here many months ago, when he was still allowed to comment here. Well, “actually going ahead with it” this August if he can get anyone else to agree to work for him for free minimum wage.
The documentary project is called “Laughing with Women” and, Martin explains, it will “investigat[e] if gold-digging impairs women’s joke-making ability, and if, when women reject gold-digging in all its forms, they can become instantly funnier.”
In case that didn’t make sense to you — don’t worry, that’s a completely natural reaction — Tom explains his, er, “logic” a bit further in a jobs listing he’s posted in hopes of finding a crew, which has already gotten a good deal of ridicule over at PZ Myers’ and on at least one comedy website.
Why are women, on average, slightly less funny than men? Does gold-digging in particular impede women’s joke-making ability? When women publicly reject gold-digging, do they become as funny, or even funnier than men?
In his numerous visits to Man Boobz, Martin expounded at length on the topic of gold-digging women, generally referring to them by his preferred term, the shorter and blunter “whores.” Martin has previously estimated that roughly 97% of women fit this description, and has suggested that female penguins are also whores. Frankly, once he gets going on the topic, it’s hard to shut him up, which is partly why he’s no longer welcome in the comments here.
In any case, this odd hypothesis will be tested, Martin says, with a “radical, and revealing street-based social experiment.”
Still puzzled? Mike Booth, the British video comedian behind SomeGreyBloke and Dan Cardamon, has managed to tease out a few more details from Martin (posting here as sexismBusters):
Martin is confident that his proposed video will blow the lid off this whole “women and gold-digging and comedy, no really, they’re connected” thing:
If the radical, and revealing street-based social experiment at the centre of our documentary proves gold-digging does make women less funny (as pre-production research suggests) then our findings will make headlines around the world, our film’s two minute teaser trailer attached to all those news and blog articles (Update: this advert alone has already been blogged and tweeted about by outraged PC types).
The full documentary will be shot to a broadcast-quality standard and format, giving mainstream television companies worldwide the opportunity to purchase broadcasting rights (if they’re feeling brave enough) whilst we maintain a virtually guaranteed revenue stream from our already established hardcore of supporters and fans within the non PC gender equality field around the world, who, along with everyone else, will be able to enjoy Laughing with Women on newly launched pay-per-view channel, Vimeo on Demand (VoD) – where VoD itself takes a very modest 10% cut. The documentary has the potential to be translated into several languages – gold-digging a familiar if hidden story in every country, until now.
In other words, it sounds like some sort of video gold mine.
So I’d recommend that all gold-digging women out there try to get in on the ground floor of this Tom Martin dude.
Oh, and speaking of Dan Cardamon, here’s the faux MRA’s take on the project:
CORRECTION: This post originally stated that Martin wouldnt’ be paying his crew, but he says he will be paying them minimum wage, so I’ve corrected the relevant passage above.
EDITED TO ADD: Tom has shown up in the comments, and I’m letting his comments through (for now at least), so if you have any questions for him, feel free to head to the comments to address him directly.
Posted on June 16, 2013, in $MONEY$, grandiosity, hypergamy, I'm totally being sarcastic, it's science!, ladies aren't funny, misogyny, MRA, somegreybloke, Tom Martin, whores, YouTube and tagged men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 1,119 Comments.
I love you guys SO MUCH.
@howard bannister and fibinachi
*whew* for some reason I just worry a lot about that.
Don’t forget to forge some screencaps! :D
Pretty much anything of value in “modern” chivalry is simply being polite, and can be done better in an egalitarian manner, rather than the act of a benevolent superior to an inferior.
As for Bushido… I’m a long-time fan of Stan Sakai’s “Usagi Yojimbo” comics. One of the themes that keeps popping up as a source of drama is that “honor” is a poor substitute for “justice”. Relying on the powerful to police themselves works about as well as you would expect.
Damn, I missed all the fun. :D
@Marie
@fibinachi
Curses! I can’t see it.
I know I’m late to the party here, but…
Shouldn’t this have been the first step? Why would you make a documentary about something without first checking with an expert in the field to see if it has any scientific validity? If you’re planning a study, shouldn’t you have worked with a researcher to come up with a research method that counted for extraneous variables and would be accepted by the academic community? Seems like a pretty important thing to miss if you want to convince people that your documentary topic wasn’t pulled out of your ass.
Also lazy ass isn’t doing any of the filmmaking or any of the research.
Speaking of lazy ass, I just let through a bunch of comments from Mr.Tom Martin. Have at them!
Oh golly, these new comments. There’s a billion things I could pick apart in them, but I have to say…
This makes the scientist in me cry. (Not cry really – mostly laugh.)
@Marie – “I’m 99% sure you don’t need game to get laid if you’re low income,”
Mr K would agree. He’s got no income. :P
Also seconding what Howard said about your tone. :)
@Robert – “Asking Tom Martin his opinion on what is and is not funny is like asking Donald Trump for hair care advice – comedy may ensue, but not intentionally.”
BWAAHAHAHAHAHA and that’s real!
@Historophilia – seconding what Fibinachi said: apology not accepted! Also, how creepy chivalry and courtly love sound in the context of impressing other blokes. Very much like PUA …
Oh, Tom, when strangers approach me in public the last thing on my mind is making them laugh. I’m much more likely to smile and nod and try to do whatever I can to stop bothering me because (like many women) I’ve had negative experiences with strange men approaching me in the past. How will your “study” account for women who are uncomfortable or busy rightfully trying to gauge the intentions of the approachee(s) and aretherefore less likely to be funny but are very funny to their friends and people they’re close with?
Tommytwit’s thesis: if total strangers are at all aware of gender politics, they must be feminists, hiss boo! If he doesn’t laugh at (or simply understand) their humour, it must be that they’re unfunny, therefore they are gold-diggers!
Do you really expect a woman you approach to tell you her partnership and income status? And are you just going to target women alone? Something tells me you are, because if they’re with a guy, he might pop you one.
Face it, sunshine, you’re just a weaselly little man trying to justify your own pathetic failures in life and love by blaming half the world’s population for them. 0/10.
Tom, have you considered also approaching penguins in your study?
@kittehs
And you’re still with him? Blasphamy!
@augochlorella
Please do, Tom!
@Marie
Mr. K has cats and a royal title. I suppose the hivemind could allow an exception- just this once. ;)
Marie and neuroticbeagle – LOL! :D
And you’re hiring five people to work for 18-20 days. 6.19 x 5 x 8 x 18 = £4456.80, not counting any of the other production costs. Where are you getting that kind of dough, duder?
@Katz
Maybe he’s pimping out some penguins?
It’s not just women laughing at Tommy.
@nueroticbeagle
You’re right. We must respect our furry overlords, and royal titles are the alpha-est
@Marie
Indeed. How are your furry rulers doing today?
@neuroticbeagle
Completely adorable! I got to cuddle them extra this morning, cuz they were in the mood to play <3
yea for cuddles!
Is this that same guy who goes round London with a video camera pretending to be a journalist and stopping women on the street?
@thebewilderness – No, that was some other idiot. Can’t remember the name but he’s a total creep too. I was wondering this morning if Tommyrot is copying him.
@Marie – You must have been very well behaved to earn cuddles from your furry overlords! I am impressed. ;)
God this is stupid… Has he also considered that his subjects might not want to laugh or might fake laugh if they know what this documentary is for?
Seriously, when people know they might be dealing with a biased person, they’re act different. If I was one of the subjects I might intentionally find the women funnier, just so that I don’t have to see the MRM use me as some “HA told you so!” tactic.
I know it doesn’t really matter, but it’s still annoying. These people are like Peggy Hill, you give them a little evidence on their side and they’ll go on for weeks about it. Give them a little showing they’re wrong and they’ll quietly move on to some other issue. Still annoying, but at least it’s less boring.
How many people want to have some stranger (and they don’t come much stranger than this) shoving a camera in their faces at all, let alone a demand to be funny on the spot? How many women does he think will do anything except walk faster? Like was said above, he’s going to end up with a documentary of “Tom Martin gets told to fuck off. Repeatedly.”
I’d really laugh if someone chucked his camera on the ground and broke it.
Not that this is going to happen, unless it’s Tom all on his lonesome shoving his phone in people’s faces, because the rest of it is just in his head – money, film crew, the lot.
@Kittehs’ Hope it’s ok to derail and say I hope it’s ok to comment on your blog, still feel weird about it!
Please do, Theda Bara! All I’ve seen there lately is spam!
Did I give you my email addy?
(Which is to say, I’d love you to comment there.)
:)
I think so I’ll have to check, college has made me very sodding lax.
Yeah, Tom’s right. Women aren’t funny. Especially not the ones that are gold digging floozies. Not even when they fart. Never happens.
This is the same Tom Martin that contacted me on YouTube wanting me to support his fallacious lawsuit against the university. I was chosen. Chosen! I say. Personally – by Tom to support (most likely financially) his crusade against women’s studies.
I know as a gold digging tart I can never be truly funny, but Tom sure is.
@Buntzums – you were Chosen by Tom? :O
::bows down in worship::
Argh, now I’ve got “this is ground control to Major Tom” playing in my head. Pity Minor Tom lost contact with ground control years ago.
@kittehs
I try :P
Manboobzer A said:
“It seems to me that Tom Martin’s real underlying hypothesis is that high-status men feel threatened by funny (i.e. witty, intelligent) women.”
I saw a quite large ugly female stand up comedian, doing a bit on this subject, saying “People ask me, if men are a bit… intimidated by a funny woman. Well, I get laid – and yep, they are intimidated by it.”
My position with funny women is, who doesn’t love to laugh? … even better when the joke isn’t lampooning my physicality, or doesn’t deliberately misrepresent – A lot of women, and on manboobz, throwing around terms (at me) like “little” “weaselly” “skinny arsed” “bald” “cockroach” “vermin” “creep” “pedo” “pondlife” then misrepresent, with “stupid” “he doesn’t get it[because we all agree he "doesn't get it" even though he clearly does]” “repulsive” (Futrelle uses that one a lot) “he scares me/women” “no one would go near him [because we are the arbiters of these things]” etc – Ssssssssssssssssssssss.
That kind of joke-making and language is intrinsically crap – and we’ll see whether the bigger gold-diggers use more or less of it. You’re feminists, meaning you can read, so stop it. (Gold-diggers do have lower IQs). No one here is calling out anyone else when they get into those kinds of terms above, comparing men to animals etc. Aren’t you all really bored of reading those types of lazy brattish comments from each other when someone comes here to disagree with you on issues?
Futrelle should have a ‘no comparing people to other animals’ rule (because you do it a lot – and, reprehensibility aside, it is never, ever, funny).
Manboobzer C says:
“Shouldn’t this have been the first step? Why would you make a documentary about something without first checking with an expert in the field to see if it has any scientific validity? If you’re planning a study, shouldn’t you have worked with a researcher to come up with a research method that counted for extraneous variables and would be accepted by the academic community? Seems like a pretty important thing to miss if you want to convince people that your documentary topic wasn’t pulled out of your ass.”
The documentary topic WAS pulled out of my ass (because I’ve been eating books) and then I devised an experiment and ran it past a professor in the field, who gave it the thumbs up – and who said he’d be happy to appear in the film. I want a researcher/presenter on board to help make the experiment even more elegant, present the data, and to present the show. I’m not just going to parachute a bimbo in (lots have applied). I’m looking for real collaborators. One layer of make-up will be enough.
Manboobzer D says:
“Oh, Tom, when strangers approach me in public the last thing on my mind is making them laugh. I’m much more likely to smile and nod and try to do whatever I can to stop bothering me because (like many women) I’ve had negative experiences with strange men approaching me in the past. How will your “study” account for women who are uncomfortable or busy rightfully trying to gauge the intentions of the approachee(s) and aretherefore less likely to be funny but are very funny to their friends and people they’re close with?”
Well, first of all, a woman will be approaching them, but it is true, that the type of women who agree to do anything unknown or mysterious on camera will be an extroverted group, so this will reduce the percentage of respondents who give gold-diggerish responses, as the biggest gold-diggers are hiding under the table cloth, at home, ‘home-making’ and East Asians, also massive gold-diggers, absolutely never stop for cameras to give impromptu opinions. Gold-diggers take, so why would they give an interview?
So, if we had all women in the world, and we could interview and experiment on them, I predict we would find that 3 to 15% would show absolutely no gold-digging inclinations, but as we’re effectively selecting for extroverts, I predict that 20 to 30% of women who agree to play along with the unknown on-camera goings on will be entirely non gold-diggerish.
The English language needs a positive word to specifically describe a woman who is absolutely opposed to gold-digging!
Tom Martin believes in equality and proceeds to present a phrenology experiment to demonstrate how ladybrains work.
In regards to gold digging women not being funny, I think I found a piece of refuting piece of extensive research conducted by the VEVO institute:
@Kittehs’ Oh good, I might pop up every now and then!
Please do! Or drop us an email, I’d love to hear from you. :)
Hi, de-lurking here (I’ve commented about twice before so not really technically a newcomer). I know that we’re on the topic of Tom Martin and gold-digging, which made my day by how ridiculous of an idea it is by the way. I apologize if I’m derailing too badly, but I was browsing Amazon for cheap books for my kindle since I had a couple of bucks left on a giftcard. I came across a hilariously cheap erotic novel I swear all MRAs get their information on men and women from:
“This collection represents a broad range of characters and situations. From amazons and elf-maidens to meter maids and frustrated wives… The women are all sexy, submissive–and secretly longing to be seeded by alpha male studs. The men themselves are gladiators and gangsters and jocks and lords… All just delicious but oh so virile”.
After I stopped laughing for a half hour, especially at the alpha male studs part, I realized how bizarrely similar that summary was to a real MRA’s line of thinking. Anyways, again sorry for de-railing /back to lurking now
Frankly it would just be many pictures of my cats and herself modelling my newest line of TARDIS knitwear!
I would pay cash money for a documentary about the making of Tom Martin’s documentary.
Kristen, welcome! (or re-welcome)
LOL that sounds like an MRA’s attempt to write a Gor novel. Positively scary.
Theda Bara – and pics of herself and kitties modelling TARDIS knitwear is a problem how? ;)
I’m about to run, so I don’t have time to go through all of Tom’s mess of a last post but um… Manboobzer C and D were the same person. And what happened to B?
A researcher and a presenter are not the same thing. Why are you using this term interchangeably? Unless a “researcher” to you is just someone who can articulate your assdata elegantly.
THIS is the type of comedy we lady-brainers are incapable of. Curse you, gold-digging, preventing me from this level of wit!
How are you getting the women to approach you? Are you and your crew just going to stand around outside and hope someone asks what you’re doing? And hello racism, how are you?
Make an anagram from “penguin”.
@ Kristen:
Hi, delurk more often plz!
That description sounds hilarious. I mean, if that’s what some people get off on, well sure, but it’s generally not a great idea to draw very far-reaching conclusions about real life from porn. I mean, I just came home from work where I had been working together with quite an attractive co-worker, but no sexytimes happened! What gives? Surely porn hasn’t lied to me?
Personally, I’m of the opinion that most MRAs have formed their opinions of women based on the sitcom Married with Children: Lazy, money-grabbing, bonbon-eating housewife? Check. Hypocritical straw feminist next door? Check. Hypergamous Slutty McSlutwhores everywhere? Double-check.
Of course, they fail to see that Al Bundy is no innocent, suffering beta, but a scheming, misogynistic, self-centered asshole, whose misery is mostly due to some form of karmic punishment. Kinda like the average MRA, I suppose.
And by the way, the article on mensactivism, giving an overview and links to the online reaction to my documentary, has not been showing up on a google word search, at all, for the last 2 days, as if it’s been removed or blocked – but the article is still there on the site. Do manboobzers think it’s right for all these internet service providers blocking men’s rights sites for being hate sites?
Here is the article google apparently doesn’t want you to see:
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/21643
Apparently, “I mean” a lot too.
@ Kristen, honestly anything with Fabio on the cover, bless him, mra handbook. And they think they are so original. D’aww.
@Kittehs’ Just a friendly warning and feel free to call me Theda or T, save the typing for something more important.
@ Tom Martin fan (Tom Martin) Do you supply the tinfoil hats or do we have to fashion our own? I’m clumsy and worried.
@Kristen
Hello and welcome :D No need to lurk if you don’t want to, we don’t bite. :P
And sorry if I”ve already welcomed you before? I have a really bad name memory, I kinda need to see them repeated abunch to stick.
@augochlorella
Questioning man-logic? MYSYNDRY!
Wow that’s what I get for skimming Tom’s comments XD That is too…strange. Don’t worry, Tom, I, too, eat books. Cooking books!
…
…was my joke at least as bad as his?
Feckless wannabe economically inactive househusbands, seeking to permanently scrounge off their overtime-working spouses is a problem, but nothing compared to the wannabe feckless housewife massive.
And at last we have a definition of “whore”…sorry, I mean “gold-digger.” It means “housewife.”
Funny housewives:
Phyllis Diller
Joan Rivers
Roseanne Barr
Erma Bombeck
Shirley Jackson
Funny strippers:
Diablo Cody
Marilyn Monroe
Funny weather girls:
Gilda Radner
Funny art history M.A.s:
Sarah Vowell
Funny maritime museum employees:
Kate Beaton
Funny theater critics:
Dorothy Parker
Funny chicken farmers:
Betty MacDonald
Funny rock band managers:
Tig Notaro
Funny NSA agents:
Wanda Sykes
@Theda – cool, I didn’t know if you wanted the magnificent Theda Bara’s name typed out or not. :)
Couldn’t we knit tinfoil hats? I mean, knitting … would sparkly yarns do the trick?
If the biggest gold-diggers are hiding under tablecloths, does that mean they’re dogs and cats? They’re the only ones who do that in my family, and that’s only during thunderstorms.
Dorothy Parker’s theater criticism is quite hilarious. It’s really my favorite writing of hers.
OOOH i have so much sparkly yarn. I think Theda would be cool with the diminutive on here.
Is being succinct against his religion? Perhaps editing is evidence of whoredom.
@kittehs
Could I have a tinfoil hat like Gynostar’s?
A sparkly yarn tinfoil hat would be the best.
Especially if it had kitty ears.
Gynostar’s one would be really easy to knit!
Can we back up to whenever Tom got compared to pond life? Because that’s an insult to pond life.
And, amazingly, I second one of his points — no comparing MRAs to animals, for the same reason, it’s an insult to animals. Maybe compare them to the window I jammed my finger in hard enough I had a moment of debating if I should scream for someone to come free me? (At least the under nail bruise isn’t that big and I got the cactī repotted without injuring myself on them?)
Is Wanda Sykes responsible for hiding stories about Tom Martin from Tom Martin’s biggest fan (Tom Martin)?
“easy” and “knit” do not belong in the same sentence on a feminist website. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________
Wait… what?
Holy shit! How did I not know that?
And please, Madaline Kahn. Just… Madaline Kahn.
I compare them to the tiny bit of dirt left behind after you sweep your floor. You swish and swish but still there’s just that little bit of grime that refuses the brush.
My hypothesis of how the majority of test subjects will react after they ask what is meant, specifically, by “gold-digging”.
Okay, anagrams of penguin don’t get much, but I found an anagram for female penguin whores: A Peewee Lungfish Morn It sounds like the title of a poem.
Now, Tom Martin fan has some good anagrams:
Mint Fart Moan
Imam Ant Front [courtesy of the Saudi whoriarchy]
Man From Taint
Manna From Tit
Mantra Of Mint
And for the forbidden animal comparisons:
Infant Marmot
Infant Rat Mom
Man From Taint
WE HAVE A WINNER!
Do rats have problems with teenage mothers?
I think the rest of us call it breastmilk.
Can we compare them to maggots? It seems fitting.