Women Laughing Alone At Tom Martin (and his video project about “gold-digging women”)
Gold digger, 1933 model
This won’t be news to a lot of you — I’m a little late getting to it — but our old pal Tom Martin, the repulsive British MRA celebrity, is actually going ahead with the somewhat baffling video “women and comedy” project he was babbling about in the comments here many months ago, when he was still allowed to comment here. Well, “actually going ahead with it” this August if he can get anyone else to agree to work for him for free minimum wage.
The documentary project is called “Laughing with Women” and, Martin explains, it will “investigat[e] if gold-digging impairs women’s joke-making ability, and if, when women reject gold-digging in all its forms, they can become instantly funnier.”
In case that didn’t make sense to you — don’t worry, that’s a completely natural reaction — Tom explains his, er, “logic” a bit further in a jobs listing he’s posted in hopes of finding a crew, which has already gotten a good deal of ridicule over at PZ Myers’ and on at least one comedy website.
Why are women, on average, slightly less funny than men? Does gold-digging in particular impede women’s joke-making ability? When women publicly reject gold-digging, do they become as funny, or even funnier than men?
In his numerous visits to Man Boobz, Martin expounded at length on the topic of gold-digging women, generally referring to them by his preferred term, the shorter and blunter “whores.” Martin has previously estimated that roughly 97% of women fit this description, and has suggested that female penguins are also whores. Frankly, once he gets going on the topic, it’s hard to shut him up, which is partly why he’s no longer welcome in the comments here.
In any case, this odd hypothesis will be tested, Martin says, with a “radical, and revealing street-based social experiment.”
Still puzzled? Mike Booth, the British video comedian behind SomeGreyBloke and Dan Cardamon, has managed to tease out a few more details from Martin (posting here as sexismBusters):
Martin is confident that his proposed video will blow the lid off this whole “women and gold-digging and comedy, no really, they’re connected” thing:
If the radical, and revealing street-based social experiment at the centre of our documentary proves gold-digging does make women less funny (as pre-production research suggests) then our findings will make headlines around the world, our film’s two minute teaser trailer attached to all those news and blog articles (Update: this advert alone has already been blogged and tweeted about by outraged PC types).
The full documentary will be shot to a broadcast-quality standard and format, giving mainstream television companies worldwide the opportunity to purchase broadcasting rights (if they’re feeling brave enough) whilst we maintain a virtually guaranteed revenue stream from our already established hardcore of supporters and fans within the non PC gender equality field around the world, who, along with everyone else, will be able to enjoy Laughing with Women on newly launched pay-per-view channel, Vimeo on Demand (VoD) – where VoD itself takes a very modest 10% cut. The documentary has the potential to be translated into several languages – gold-digging a familiar if hidden story in every country, until now.
In other words, it sounds like some sort of video gold mine.
So I’d recommend that all gold-digging women out there try to get in on the ground floor of this Tom Martin dude.
Oh, and speaking of Dan Cardamon, here’s the faux MRA’s take on the project:
CORRECTION: This post originally stated that Martin wouldnt’ be paying his crew, but he says he will be paying them minimum wage, so I’ve corrected the relevant passage above.
EDITED TO ADD: Tom has shown up in the comments, and I’m letting his comments through (for now at least), so if you have any questions for him, feel free to head to the comments to address him directly.
Posted on June 16, 2013, in $MONEY$, grandiosity, hypergamy, I'm totally being sarcastic, it's science!, ladies aren't funny, misogyny, MRA, somegreybloke, Tom Martin, whores, YouTube and tagged men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 1,119 Comments.
it’s in rural, coastal New South Wales, a place called Brooms Head. We live near by and spend a LOT of time there, camping and day visits. It is beautiful, isn’t it? Sometimes I am just blown away by how lucky we are to live here
CriticalDragon, glad you were able to get past the wordpress snafus that kept you from posting here. WordPress is a bit wonky that way sometimes, as various commenters here have also discovered.
Wow, beautiful, BigMomma! Looks like it was a perfect winter day up there.
It’s improved here – looking out the window it’s pale grey instead of dark grey. :P
Felinazis, lol!
And printer kitty, eeeeeeeeee!
Now, I’m confused. I cannot begin to understand where he got the idea for his premise. Even if I humor him and pretend that “gold digging” is really that widespread, what does it have to do with being funny? The two seem completely unrelated.
Also, I wonder if he’ll let any Manboobzers work on the project. I think we should do it just to make it as hilariously bad as possible. And we even get paid for it.
David,
No, the pay won’t be deferred particularly. Each person will just have to finish their job before getting paid cash (no waiting months for the check as on big film shoots).
The nice thing about this project is, we’ll be shooting the experiment first, over seven days or so depending, starting August 1st, and if we get the revolutionary dynamite footage I expect (as the pre-production research I’ve already done suggests we MIGHT), then it will be quite affordable to present those rushes in a trailer to investors, executive producers, journalists and bloggers – the value of the experiment’s findings and entertainment value dictating the budget and scale of the rest of the documentary around the experiment.
I need a researcher/co-presenter, with a social science and or comedy/performance background, who can crunch data. A proper feminist, interested in greater equality of outcome, like me. A stubborn victim-feminist, whatever… interested in maximizing women’s humour levels. Either that, or an unrepentant gold-digger would be quite amusing too. There are high-functioning gold-diggers. If you want to be their official ambassador, step up!
The documentary is called Laughing with Women. People can follow its progress by subscribing to sexismbusters for the time being, on youtube and twitter.
When I get a Producer of Marketing and Distribution (PMD) on board there may be a rebranding etc, but stuff will still be going on sexismbusters as well (gold-digging is sexism after all).
I’ve had a handful of applications from PMDs – but not enough, as they usually expect PR rates up front, and I can’t afford that.at this pre-experiment shoot phase – but I should have a PMD now, so I can focus elsewhere whilst they nurture the fanbase – so if you want to be the one to take a gamble, and are ready to get this rolling in the mainstream media now, then email me for a chat. The PMD is the real business partner (on commission). If you are a PMD or could be, and realize it’s not normal for a low-budget film crew call to be blogged, vlogged and tweeted about, with 95% hatred, whilst receiving 379 applications in the first 5 days, indicating this project’s potential to grab attention and keep it, then get in touch.
I wouldn’t bet anyone’s going to get paid. Where’s Tom “owes £30 000 in court costs” Martin going to get cash? Those wages will be deferred permanently. His video’s not exactly blockbuster material … assuming it ever gets made.
As for where he got the idea, where does he get any of his bizarre notions? Each one’s more ridiculous than the last.
Felinazis: the soldiers of the Furrinati
see also Caninazis, Bunnazis*, Rodenazis etc
(*I was going to do Rabbinazis but then realized that it was the words Rabbi and Nazi put together and decided against that)
Do Bunnazis shout Bunnzai! when they attack?
@Kittehs
I would assume so, although no one has yet survived a Bunnazi attack. The cute, it kills.
Tom’s comment called improv both “much harder” and “effortless.” And his own participation in the study means this is not pure improv, as he has time to prepare material.
Has Tom commented anywhere on *how* it is possible to “measure joke making”?
Since this is highly rigorous and scientific, when Tom is graded on his improv skills, if he does poorly, he’ll cancel the project or turn it over to someone else better equipped to handle it.
…Right?
Coastal NSW is gorgeous. I am still financially recovering from my trip to the Galapagos (though it is almost all paid off!), but for my next trip I want to go to Australia and New Zealand.
Tom Martin is more boring than I remembered.
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Opium for the masses, don’t worry about the humour-measurement method – that is already tried and tested by other researchers in gender and humour.
There are lots of humour level tests, different every time, which you can’t prepare for, and which I’ll be too busy to obsess over anyway prior to doing them.
You’ll see the random nature of it. Witty banter tests. Word association. Missing caption tests against the clock.
Quick-witted people do go to their vault of self-generated witticisms to adapt seemingly entirely off the cuff remarks, so its not something I’d be able to drastically improve in a month (or is it?)
A gold-digger holding back though (because god said a man should keep a woman and a woman should keep her mouth shut as long as the money keeps coming) – she might be able to suddenly improve.
Well since he is supposed to talk about this lead balloon of a project and not his pet peeves, his default is boring.
@cloudiah, I think David has warned him to talk just about his docco and leave the more florid stuff out of it. The recitation of his plans is boring without it being spiced up with penguins sitting on hard chairs. I wonder how many people have signed up for realz and how many are just clambering aboard the impending train wreck for a birds eye view?
another picture to tempt manboobzers to Oz
Someone should let my husband know that apparently I’ve been keeping quiet all these years so that he continues to support me.
Except a) I haven’t and b) he doesn’t
And ninja’d by Bostonian on the dullness of Tommy’s project.
I went to Cannon Beach, Oregon today for father’s day and saw a oystercatcher sitting on its nest! Right on Haystack rock, too. It was really cool. (Google Haystack Rock or Cannon Beach for photos–the Oregon coast is really quite beautiful.)
Okay, so honest question:
Even if gold-digging women (…I’m not sure if this is better that “wh*res, but whatever) are less funny, why does that matter?
hey, wordsp1nner, that is gorgeous..and it reminds me of round here ( so I am biased).
::waves at wordsp1nner across the pacific::
Some women, out of financial desperation, are afraid to speak freely. Some men, out of financial desperation, are afraid to speak freely.
Clearly, the problem here lies with those individual men and women, and we shouldn’t do anything to make them secure enough to speak freely (and with humor).
Good night, I say, off to dream of Australia.
Because the only reason a woman might be reluctant to speak up is because she wants presents. It could never have anything to do with cultural pressure or threats of violence. No, that would never happen.
@wordpsinner
I think he is somehow trying to give gold-diggers incentive to give up their whoring ways, because being funny is just so fab.
“I think the reason people are being so negative online about this project, is that media reports make it sounds like I’m accentuating the negative, ignoring the fact that I will be accentuating the positive too, and trying to induce more positive outcomes for women’s humour levels.”
actually, i rather think the reason people are reacting so negatively to your project is because you are attempting to use one misogynistic belief (that women are gold diggers) to prove another misogynistic belief (that women are not funny).
even a good number of MRAs want to distance themselves from that, and it’s hard to get MRAs to not endorse misogyny so that’s really saying something.
But I’ll leave you with one shot of the CA part of the Pacific coast:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/claudiah/6387726027/in/set-72157628107741799/lightbox/
Okay, maybe one more:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/claudiah/6387804777/in/set-72157628107741799/lightbox/
(That was a great hike.)
cloudiah, we don’t have permission to view…or I don’t at least.
QFT
Oh if I wasn’t sleepy I would move the photos to imgur. I just lost 20 minutes looking at pictures of my dad on flickr.
So just take my word for it that California is f-ing gorgeous. Like Australia.
I have friends in California, in Los Angeles. Maybe one day…
The idea that women are all gold diggers can easily be disproven by the fact that my wife (who has far higher earning potential than I do) married me in the first place.
Not to mention the prior string of relationships I had, which each ended for a variety of reasons — none of which were because I never bought the women involved stuff. Because… I never really have bought any of them stuff.
Because I was poor. And cheap.
Mostly cheap.
Tom’s project is basically the equivalent of going up to women and saying, “hey unfunny ladies, maybe you could be funny if you weren’t such whores!”
David Futrelle,
You wrote,
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CriticalDragon, glad you were able to get past the wordpress snafus that kept you from posting here. WordPress is a bit wonky that way sometimes, as various commenters here have also discovered.
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So I am. I would imagine that I’m not the only one having problems if it tells me things like “your twitter login has expire” which makes no sense. I really want to contribute if I can. I just wish I could get the dragon image to show up now when I use this account.
David Futrelle,
Thanks for letting me that you enjoy my company here.
I do not think that Tom is saying that all women are gold diggers. He has studied Game and Game is predicated upon the idea that it is possible for low income men to get laid- otherwise why would anyone study it? On the whole PUA’s tend to be lower in the income scale because higher income men tend to do better with women.
He believes that non feminist women are less likely to be gold diggers than feminist ones. This is one reason he calls himself a feminist.
It is a pity he is banned from this site as he is interesting and original even if some of you disagree strongly. It would be good to hear from him directly.
I agree that the premise of the film could be seen as insulting.
ERROR I meant Tom believes feminist women are LESS likely to be gold diggers.
This Martin dude has a very strange filter for his view of the world. It is like he heard comments made by Hitchens and twisted them. I mean the jist of what Hitch said is that women don’t need to be funny because they are so much more attractive than men, not that they are not capable because reasons?? Also I really think that this was just a fucking joke, maybe an unfunny one to some people, but a joke all the same.
You’re maybe coming to Oz, cloudiah? Got any thoughts of coming to Melbourne? Or are you thinking further north?
::counts pennies, wonders if can manage trip north to see sister in QLD, see NSW and still do next year’s trip to Chicago::
Ha – take one Hitchens, remove the intelligence, stir in a hundredweight of stupid and extra misogyny, and hey presto!
Guys, if you haven’t already, click the links to Tom Martin’s previous visits here. They’re funny enough that he’s got at least two spots in the misandrist welcome package.
Tom — ever occur to you that most people who are neither comedians nor actors, and thus not used to being on the front end of a camera, get skiddish about being filmed?
Guys! GUYS! One of my new loaches has ventured out from the cave! Skittish fish is getting less skittish! (Utterly irrelevant except for the fact cuteness is always relevant)
Aquarinazi — fish nazis and aquarist nazis (as in “grammar nazi” though I guess it’d apply to any nazis who’re aquarists…)
I’m going to tiptoe over there and attempt to watch without startling the skiddish one, wish me luck!
@Argenti: I found my favourite comment about this recently. In response to being told, “that joke wasn’t really funny”:
I hope this method is accounted for in the study!
So by minimum wage does he mean like $7.50 an hour or the minimum day rate (which depending on the position can be 300+ per 12 hour day). If he means minimum wage he’s a cheap scumbag because filmmakers work their asses off to learn the skills necessary to make a professional, high quality documentary and can’t pay their student loans off on minimum wage. I hate people who disrespect my art by expecting me to sell them my professional services for little to no money. If I wanted minimum wage I wouldn’t have gone to college asshole. At the very least, if he expects to make money on the back end he should at least offer those who help a percentage of the profits.
That’s my “he’s not just a misogynist but cheapskate” rant.
Gelar — his “method” consists of asking random people if it’s funny. By that standard, farting at him is probably humor.
Fedora is saying Tom thinks feminists are less likely to be gold diggers that’s why Tom calls himself a feminist? Have I fallen through a wormhole to an alternate reality? When’d Tom start calling himself a feminist?!
Also, loach SUCCESS! The less skidish loach is playing with whichever cories decide to play follow the leader (so far mostly the emerald cories, but the pandas are settling in and starting to play along) Skidish loach remains in the cave, I have no idea why loaches love THAT cave so much, there are tunnels and two caves and everybody’s gotta be in that one!
Yay on loach success, Argenti! Also, aquarinazis, I can totally see plec being up for that. Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water …
“Tom — ever occur to you that most people who are neither comedians nor actors, and thus not used to being on the front end of a camera, get skiddish about being filmed?”
Plus there’s the little matter of women being harassed in the street by dumbass misogynists pushing cameras and microphones in their faces. Yeah, totally puts you in the mood to laugh and joke around, that does. I wonder if Tommyboy would find it funny if his camera happened to end up broken on the pavement … accidentally, of course.
@Jessay – given this is supposed to happen (ha) in London, it’d be whatever the English minimum wage is. Assuming any of Tom’s imaginary film crew got paid ever, of course. Which I’m not.
Mh… Martin received roughly 95% negative comments on his project. From his previous empirical research, we found that 97% of women are whores (I take it he means cis/hetero/women here, but hey, maybe he pioneered genderqueer whoriarchy theory too).
95% vs. 97%. Coincidence? I’ll let you be the judge.
People thought Galileo was wrong too. So there.
Wherever it is, minimum wage, and the wage you pay someone who has gone to college to get a degree and worked for years to hone their craft, are two drastically different things. Considering the film industry is a predominantly male one, how does it feel to devalue men’s work and contribute to their poverty buddy? You filthy misandrist!
Of course, I’m even more mad knowing that, if he does film anything, he’s gonna be a typical wannabe producer/director who wastes people’s time to and not pay them. That happens way too often, filmmakers are left never seeing the money they were promised for working 12+ hour days to make someone else’s dream a reality. All of my colleagues and I are waiting on at least a few checks from projects from scumbags like him who offer “deferred pay.”
Tom’ll pay people on the twelfth of never – mind you, since I still think his film crew doesn’t exist outside his fevered imagination (they hang out with the slutty slut penguins, if only he knew), nobody’s likely to be affected by this.
OK, so, the dude I’m courting is in debt like whoa. What does this prove?
He appears to think I’m absolutely hilarious but it could all be an act.
Tom, I’m afraid I can’t participate in your project until you publicly renounce gold-digging in all its forms.
He’s gold-digging, marinerachel! Or, um … MISANDRY!
Oh no, he’s never said that. Only 97% of women are who–”gold diggers”. Obviously.
The fact that Tommy considers himself a legitimate researcher tickles me almost as much as whore-penguins. (I have to pay them, natch. In pebbles.)
Tom, would you care to share which of your *snicker* colleagues have reviewed your *double snicker* research proposal so that we can read up on the relevant literature?
Wtf are the other 3%? I mean, working for money is whoring yourself to a business since you expect money (yeah, don’t expect him to pay, that’d make his “staff” into whores); letting a man, any man, but you anything, is whoring; receiving any sort of gov’n benefits is whoring (maybe he isn’t including old age benefits and that’s the 3%? I’d think more than 3% of Britain was pensioners); so how’s that 3% manage to eat?
Fuck, Tom, is the only way to avoid whoring to be street homeless and eating out of rubbish bins? Since shelter requires money as does fresh food and working at all is whoring, and not working is whoring, and receiving charity is whoring…what does that leave?!
Also, you suck at math, and research, and I pity the fool that decides to crunch your numbers. They’ll end up bald from pulling their hair out.
I said bald!
David — if he starts ranting about what an insult against men that is, can you let it through? He’s funny when he’s angry!
Tom is ‘whoring’ for cheap labour, but he’s still (unintentionally) funny.
Oh gods yes, didn’t he have a meltdown about baldness? Before my time, I think but it rings the Bells of Hilarity every so faintly.
*ever
y the y? Stoopud fingers.
Tom, Justin Vacula is probably available.
@Argenti
Yes, Tom Martin is certainly an enigma. Unlike the vast majority of MRAs, he’s clearly studied some feminist theory. Most MRAs “educate” themselves by reading avfm’s version of feminist theory, which generally concludes with eugenics and other big, scary words.
Tom is no longer welcome at AVfM for the heinous crime of pointing out that there are many different and conflicting feminisms out there. Acknowledging the obvious truth will get you booted off Elam’s brigade of revolutionaries.
@Tom Martin
How are you feeling about being excommunicated from AVfM?
Where in Scotland are you from?
Who’s your favourite male and female comedian?
Does Tom consider himself a funny guy?
Tom, what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Tom, if you end up finding out through your supa dupa scientific research that all or most gold diggers are just grossly disadvantaged working-class women who are forced by circumstance to date even grosser men, will you stop calling them whores? (BTW that actually seems to be the case for women driven to sex work – not that you give a shit cause you hate all women)
Also, how does some women “gold digging” (how does one even define that) lead to all women not being funny? Do you have any evidence of women “objectively” being less funny than men, because all these commenters are women and they’re all funnier than you.
Also, Tom, if over 90% of women are whores, does that mean your mother is a whore? This seems to be the logical conclusion of your theories
Kitteh — African or European? And yes, stating the obvious fact that the hair atop his head is scant is the greatest insult to man as hair is required for dating (I think that was it? Ask Cassandra, she induced that meltdown)
Carnation — yeah I remember him getting ousted, just find the idea of him calling himself a feminist hilarious.
And now I’m going to bed! G’night.
J — we’re not all women, but we are all funnier, so yeah, all the women here are funnier than him.
And now I really am going to bed!
Argenti, I don’t know that – aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Niters!
(I should have asked Sir. You know these things when you’re a king.)
So you’re not testing for whether or whether not gold-digging influences humor.
You’re testing whether or whether not, in the moment, an expectation of any further reward / present / obligation can make someone less inclined to banter, be witty and spontanous.
IE:
What you’re testing is if people who have something to lose might be less likely to speak up.
IE:
… What you’ll find is exactly that, yes, yes they do. The moment you take someone and remove their investment in any consequence of their own actions, I bet tyou they’ll certainly be more fun because they no longer give any thought, care or worry to how their actions will influence their own possibilities of getting some kind of reward. And so they relax. And so they can be funny.
IE:
THIS ISN’T SCIENCE.
Why is it only women you want to test in this way, Tom? Now that you’ve told us more about the experiment I’m struggling to see how the gender of your subject is in any way relevant.
I want to know if a man who isn’t spontaneously witty in his boss’s presence is considered a gold-digging whore.
I’ve completely forgotten on which thread we were talking about the Felinazis, Caninazis and Bunnazis, but this is live, so …
BUNNZAI!
And how many of those people have you contracted? Or have they gone suspiciously silent once you reveal how little you’re paying?
Bingo. He needs to include a “control group” by conducting the experiment on men as well.