Trans women are engaging in “delusional cosplay,” and more transphobic “wisdom” from The Spearhead

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When I posted about WF Price’s viciously transphobic Mothers’ Day post on The Spearhead yesterday, the Spearhead commentariat had not yet weighed in on his post. Well, now they have, and so appallingly that I felt a second post was in order. Here are some of the, er, highlights of the discussion.

Again, a TRIGGER WARNING applies; if anything, these comments are worse than Price’s original post. This hasn’t made them unpopular at The Spearhead; quite the contrary: all the comments quoted below were well received by Spearhead readers, receiving multiple upvotes. A couple of them were even rated “Well-loved.”

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Alcestis Eshtemoa compares trans women, unfavorably, to eunuchs:

Transexuals/Transgenders are part of the LGBTQPPI freak show. Transexual “women” are de-facto mutilated or castrated men, on a much lower level than eunuchs even. Sure a couple of people may be born “inter-sexed” but most (in general) are not born or made that way. There are two sexes and they are complementary.

Instead it’s the delusional cosplay “I’m a woman in a man’s body” (sure and I’m really Napoleon reincarnated or Marilyn Monroe in a hideous, ill-mannered woman’s body). It’s a form of narcissism, the worse kind even, because these people don’t play their parts well. Instead the solipsism is projected elsewhere.

El Bastardo seems to think that feminists are all as transphobic as he is:

I can’t wait for all the liars, whom calling themselves feminists, have to face this genius who cut his own junk off. As soon as he says they are “equal” in motherhood, they are going to have to contain their laughter and scorn. A “Saaaayyy whaaaaattt?” moment. Followed by “Oh, HELL NAH!”

I actually feel for this individual, though the “suffering” is self inflicted. He, or perhaps she or it, has now set himself and his family up for years of delicious pain for his moronic self indulgence.

Truly, the feminists who raised him, for that is the evil and solipsistic individuals his parents (or at least his mother and wife) had to have been. They destroyed who he was, and cheered him on as he jumped into an abyss for which there is no return.

Now his sons have endured a wound they may never be able to articulate, but incubate with pain and confusion their whole lives. For if their father, now having turned and claimed to being a woman, hated his masculinity in such a fashion; what are they left to think?

Keyster also manages to pull off the neat trick of  attacking transphobic feminists — well, he assumes all feminists are transphobic — in a comment that is itself transphobic, not to mention massively misogynistic:

Feminists hate transexuals because they “mock” womanhood; pretend to be women, when actually the massive doses of estrogen is what reveals the classic female behavior that sometimes annoys and frustrates men so much.

Also more often than not transexuals abhor masculinity so much that they actually consider themselves lesbians. And lesbians don’t much like (Male to Female) transexuals either. They do seem to do better once this “internal conflict” is resolved, but then create a whole new reality of confusion and complexities around them.

Geographybeefinalisthimself decides to make the issue all about, well, me:

I feel so sorry for this tranny’s sons.

I wonder if Manboobz will consider my pity for this tranny’s sons to be “misogyny.” I think his morbidly obese body will explode just thinking about how to react.

I’d call that transphobia, actually, Mr. geographybeefinalist. I’m not quite sure why you thought I would explode. It’s not exactly shocking to discover that misogynists are bigoted in other ways as well. On The Spearhead multiple bigotry seems to be the default state.

Towgunner delivered up a massive wall-o-text, from which I have extracted the following. (Paragraph breaks added.)

A simple agenda item for the MRA … is to encourage the truth, specifically, men and women are different and there is nothing wrong with that. ….

The reason why we unfortunately here about this is because it fits the feminists narrative and false idea that men and women are interchangeable etc. transsexuals are an important component to that argument because he was once a he now hes a she…look at that kids, as easy as pie. But its not, hormone treatment and multiple evasive surgeries are not some simple “switch” …

Methinks, the whole “I’m a women in a man’s body” meme is a sick distraction from the real truth, which is “No sir or ma’am, the truth is you’re not happy with yourself and the cards you were dealt and you’ve never came to terms with that! ….

The idea of “I’m a man in a women’s body” should be met with, “hey pal, I’d like to be a lot of things myself too, eating ice cream every night and having a full head of hair and washboard abs…but guess what, it’s not the case….deal. This is what happens when emotion trumps reason. psycology today is a joke, the proper treatment is a kick in the pants not some soft spoken, drug dealer who’s likely just as messed up as their patients are.

Brigadon responded to one commenter who challenged the Spearhead regulars on their homophobia (and got massively downvoted for doing so), accusing the commenter of using “shaming language” against those who rightfully resist “homophilia.” Then he called gay men “fags;” compared homosexuality to pedophilia, bestiality, and cannibalism; and suggested that trans women deserve to be ridiculed.

There is a vast difference between being homophobic and having a legitimate understanding of the deleterious effects homophilia has on society.

If you are not into molesting children, are you pedophobic?
If you are not into fucking housepets, are you beastophobic?
Why in the hell is it considered a ‘phobia’ to be disgusted and sickened by something which, in the end, is an incredibly unhealthy habit from both a species and societal standpoint? …

Why should we accept cannibalism? why should we accept pederastery? why should we accept homosexuality? why should we accept beastiality? how does that strengthen us as a culture? what does it ADD to the human experience, and what does it take away?

Nice attempt at shaming language, though. technically ‘homophobia’= “fear of those like one’s self”. completely incorrect usage of the word.

Unfortunately, though, fags are afraid to use the real word…
Edinakusesiphobia- fear of sodomy.
Frankly, all things concerned, I consider a fear of getting sodomized to be a very real worry, as opposed to a ‘phobia’. Especially considering that nearly six times as many men in the US get raped as women, and nearly a hundred times as many men get FORCEFULLY raped (sodomized) as women.

And, to be completely honest, why should we NOT ridicule men that lop their penises off in order to be failures as both males and females.

In case you’re wondering, this was one of the comments that was rated “Well-loved” by the Spearhead regulars.

There is plenty more awfulness to be found elsewhere in the thread at The Spearhead, as well as some comments that aren’t quite as bad, if you have the stomach to wade through the rest of it to find them.

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Posted on May 14, 2013, in antifeminism, dozens of upvotes, hate, homophobia, misogyny, MRA, reactionary bullshit, straw feminists, the spearhead, transphobia, victim blaming and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 191 Comments.

  1. @Karalora: But truly transphobic people are often immediately pissed off on meeting someone androgynous-looking. They think it’s mandatory for everyone to clearly announce what their genitals look like. If you have a very androgynous face and body it’s NOT okay to have some kind of unisex hairdo and unisex clothes; in this case, you’re obligated to put on a skirt, long hair and makeup if you have a vagina or grow a beard if you’re a man.

  2. ‘sfunny, isn’t it, about these skeeves – they’re the most delusional characters I’ve ever seen, living in their own little fantasy world in which they are The Heroes and every other mean meanie pervert female bi*ch is out to get them. But wtf do they get out of their delusion? It doesn’t make ‘em happier. Oh, it feeds their pathetic egos and probably shields them from any self-awareness of what utter shits they are (apart from the ones who revel in being shits), but other than that? They’re wallowing in self-induced misery. If they weren’t out to hurt other people I’d feel sorry for them, but they’re so toxic they could live in a nuclear waste dump and never notice.

    Because the NARRATIVE.

    Because this makes them HEROES.

    Against POWERFUL ENEMIES.

    Facing down OVERWHELMING ODDS.

    This is why people go full-bore paranoiac. Fluoride is mind control! The government is out to get me–they already killed JFK, caused 9\11, and killed every person who ever died!!!

    Because if I’m living in my paranoid fantasy, I am obviously so amazingly important–central to this fantasy is how many OTHER PEOPLE are fixated on me–that the government only hasn’t killed me because they don’t think they can get away with it.

    It comes back to ego, and narcissism. (it alwasy does with the MRM)

  3. thebionicmommy

    Instead of telling guys, hey, don’t worry about it, there are plenty of things you can do sexually without an erection that both you and your partner will enjoy, and hey if you do those things without putting weird performance pressure on yourself maybe doing them will give you an erection, he essentially tells them to drag their partners into some sort of male-centered therapy session to find out what “real feelings” are ostensibly making his penis limp.

    If a man has erectile dysfunction, and his doctor says it is okay for him, he could also use “the little blue pill”. I am not a doctor, so I don’t know what kinds of erectile dysfunction can be treated with medication, though.

    I could only imagine a Warren Farrell approved couples therapy session.

    Therapist looks at the man: So you have trouble getting or maintaining erections? Is it because you feel disposable due to the Titanic disaster?

    Husband: Um, the Titanic? What does that have to do with my penis?

    Therapist looks to the woman: I bet you nag him all the time. Do you bother him when he watches football? Have you tried wearing lingerie while cooking him a pot roast?

    Wife: Yeah, I’m out of here. Catch you jerks later.

    re: MRA transphobia

    The MRA’s are reactionaries about almost everything, so it’s no surprise they are transphobic. Maybe it’s because they want everyone to fit into two neat little categories of awesome, heroic men who deserve all the power and glory, and inferior women who need to grovel in front of men in penance for being nagging sluts. Where do non binaries fit into such a simplistic worldview?

  4. I think you’re overanalyzing the reasons for MRA transphobia. Judging by how they want to tear down everyone less privileged than they are, I think the hate comes first and then they make up some excuse.

    (First post woo)

  5. @Dvärghundspossen

    True. My post is meant to address a more mild version of transphobia–where people aren’t opposed to androgyny in principle and may not have a problem with the concept of transitioning, but balk at the prospect of using the pronouns they associate with one gender to refer to someone who looks to them not to be that gender. (That is a mess of a sentence. I hope it’s readable.)

    Not MRAs, in other words.

  6. But truly transphobic people are often immediately pissed off on meeting someone androgynous-looking. They think it’s mandatory for everyone to clearly announce what their genitals look like. If you have a very androgynous face and body it’s NOT okay to have some kind of unisex hairdo and unisex clothes; in this case, you’re obligated to put on a skirt, long hair and makeup if you have a vagina or grow a beard if you’re a man.

    This is really true. I used to sport a shaved head and tended to dress in men’s pants and boots. I didn’t even look particularly androgynous though, or at least I didn’t think so–I wore tight enough tops that you could see my curves which are quite obviously feminine, although I did/do have broad shoulders and muscular arms from working out. I got a so much gender policing, it was ridiculous. Some of it was because I was read as a lesbian, but most of it was because I was “trying to look like a boy” or something like that. Which I wasn’t, but it didn’t matter to the type of people who would say things like that.

    Honestly that experience was probably my first feminist awakening. I just shaved my head because I was a little punk kid and thought it would be fun (it was literally an impulse decision while drinking at a party one night, but I loved it so much I wore it for a few years), but it really opened my eyes to how invested a lot of people are in gender roles and homophobia.

    I’m obviously not comparing my experience to what trans* people have to deal with, just showing that even if you are cis it doesn’t take much to piss off people who think Men are supposed to be This Way and Women are supposed to be That Way and anyone who falls outside those rigid boundaries is Wrong.

  7. [Premature delurking, hence no kitty avatar yet]

    Edinakusesiphobia- fear of sodomy.

    Hurray, a wordsmith-in-training! Reminds me of the hilarious Usenet homophobe that insisted “idiogenogamosis” (later “idioanthropinogenogamosis”) was the correct and only term for same-sex acts.

  8. Howard Bannister The government [...] killed every person who ever died!!!

    TBH, a suspiciously high number of people are dead, that MUST mean something!

  9. Yellaine — it was the plague, spread by plague rats, all my fault sorry! (Well, my and the rest of Emilie Autumn’s plague rats fans)

    Pecunium — but mango juice is awesomeness!!

    BritterSweet — so no rogue Rs club, darn.

  10. The illusion these men are under is that by enforcing gender stereotypes they themselves will become super-masculine. We don’t need gender police.

  11. This reminds me of a great quote from one of the Hitchhiker books (paraphrased here, unless I am actually remembering it perfectly) – “back in the old days of the Galaxy, when men were REAL men, women were REAL women, and small, furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were REAL small, furry creatures from Alpha Centauri…”

  12. AK, you must have looked super awesome. I want to shave my head but I’m afraid to.

  13. CassandraSays

    The Scottish version of that cliche is “when men were men and sheep were frightened”, which admittedly is a rather icky rape/bestiality joke, but does rather point to how out there the ultra-misogynist idea of manliness is. Even macho drunken Scottish men think it’s ridiculous.

  14. CassandraSays – I like the Douglas Adams one, because it points out how silly the idea of “real” men or women are.

  15. Is that saying Scots? I never knew where it came from. First time I ever heard it was from my current boss, who says it quite a lot.

  16. Nope, nope, nope. Not touching that post. I have had a draining day, and I’m enjoying being alive today, and I’m not changing that for the MRM. Nope, nope, nope.

    TMI but I actually never encountered ‘fun sexy things to do with soft outie genitals’ until this year, when I found a zine by and for trans women about sex. I considered myself fairly well read, but definitely gave me a, “Why have I never encountered this?” moment. (Didn’t help that I was going off my hormones, which meant my libido died a slow, nasty death for a month or so.)

  17. If it hasn’t been bought up yet, Price had one of the worst dodges ever when someone called him on his hate: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/05/12/a-ny-times-mothers-day-op-ed-trannies-are-equal-moms/#comment-186888

    This follow-up comment also shows off his moronic populist-traditionalism (and yes, Price, I would call those people, or at least their culture/institutions, backwards): http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/05/12/a-ny-times-mothers-day-op-ed-trannies-are-equal-moms/#comment-186999

    As for the thing about fundamentalism someone here bought up, I definitely recall him bringing up Timothy to say women should never preach. He doesn’t seem to realize that following his logic of Biblical consistency would (rightfully) end in Waco 2, though.

  18. CassandraSays

    So the Aussies are mocking uber-macho men too, in a roundabout sort of way? If both the Scots and the Aussies are saying that your macho posing is a bit much, you might want to consider whether or not they are correct.

  19. Bob: Ha. When someone calls you a “hate movement,” turns out it’s not the “movement” part that’s the problem.

  20. @LBT- It is a crying shame that our sex education doesn’t teach us anything of value, and that our pop culture is so focused on inserty-type sex (PIV for straight people, anal for gay dudes, and… what do lesbians do exactly?). That whole dynamic makes a lot of things way more awkward than they need to be.

  21. The bit about “men were men, sheep were afraid” was originally a joke ABOUT Scotland, told by other parts of Great Britain, especially the English. That said, the joke quickly got reclaimed, especially by Scots-descended North Americans, who take a great deal of enjoyment of our heritage, including poking fun at it. (Natch, there’s a lot of privilege here–it’s easier to joke about stuff like that when you’re essentially immune to serious discrimination and denigration.)

  22. M Dubz: In popular culture, all lesbians use dildos and strap-ons; in the case of the latter, only ONE of them wears the strap-on, ever, making her the ‘man’ in the relationship. Because remember, if it isn’t penetration, it’s not real sex, and all relationships contain a top and a bottom, and the top is always the man.

    Okay, I threw up in my mouth a bit when I typed that. Obviously, the pop-culture portrayal stinks on ice. It’s worth noting, for instance, that fully thirty percent of gay men in some polls say they’ve never done anal, despite being in a sexual relationship.

  23. @freemage- gaaaaaaaaaaah. And on a related note, GAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

  24. *coughs* Willow and Tara didn’t use dildos. And neither of them was “the man”. <3

    That is all.

  25. I’m late to the game here, but I have just one question for these angry, bitter, douchecanoes…

    Why in the fuck do you care so much if a guy feels like the best course of action for his life is to transition to a woman? It’s HER decision and does not affect you in the LEAST.

  26. CassandraSays

    Wow, it sure is awesome to have Americans explain my heritage to me. We Scots are a primitive people and certainly not capable of reclaiming former insults ourselves – for that we need outside assistance.

  27. Most transpeople are delusioned, this isn’t a transphobic statement, it passes no judgement, it doesn’t say transpeople are bad, it merely states that they are incorrect in what they believe themselves to be, a person who has a penis is not a woman, if they beleive they are they have an incorrect belief, a delusion, this NOT saying they are lesser people, it’s simply saying they are incorrect.

  28. If you disagree with me on my definition of man and woman, you know what, that’s fine, just don’t label me tranphobic becuase I use the official, legally recognised definitions, it’s like calling someone antisemitic becuase they believe circumcision is wrong.

  29. (Brigadon quote in article) Frankly, all things concerned, I consider a fear of getting sodomized to be a very real worry, as opposed to a ‘phobia’. Especially considering that nearly six times as many men in the US get raped as women, and nearly a hundred times as many men get FORCEFULLY raped (sodomized) as women.

    ON WHAT ALTERNATE BIZARROWORLD?

    I’d love to know where these idiots come up with these ideas? Now it seems that MRAs just make junk up!

  30. That said, the joke quickly got reclaimed, especially by Scots-descended North Americans, who take a great deal of enjoyment of our heritage, including poking fun at it.

    Huh. I totally missed that part of my heritage.

  31. Huh, funny that, I can’t find legal definitions for man and woman, I’m kinda legit surprised to find nothing but there you go, near as I can find, they don’t use biological essentialism.

    Also, OH HAI No, no, no. But no, no, NO! Just because your body doesn’t have bits you think it shouldn’t doesn’t make those of us with unwanted bits delusional.

    And wtf do you care if I’d like certain surgerical procedures to be more readily available do maybe I could take advantage of them, and not be treated like a freak show for that? In what fucking way does “just ignore me then” impinge on your rights? It doesn’t, so time for my FREEZE PEACH!! Fuck off.

  32. @No, no no –

    You need to learn a lot more about human beings before you go reverting to binary essentialism to pronounce on who’s male and who’s female, and talking as if everything is soooo clear-cut and simple.

    But even if it were – what the fuck does it matter to you? What business is it of yours how other people see and define themselves? Who the hell are you to decide what someone else’s reality is regarding their own SELF, and their own body?

  33. I use the official, legally recognised definitions

    Did you know know know that trans people are able to legally change their sex in a lot of countries? Don’t dictionary troll us if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  34. @No, no no:

    Let’s say for the moment that you believe that penis = man and vagina = woman. Not too hard of a stretch, I’d imagine. Let’s look at some pictures:

    1
    2
    3
    4

    Could you tell me which gender (ignoring genders outside the binary for now) each person in these pictures are?

    I knew you could.

    But how? How could you possibly know if you didn’t see their genitals? Obviously you aren’t making your judgement based on knowing which sexual bits they have. Gender, according to your judgement, is not about chromosomes or bits, it’s about presentation and action. This is what feminists mean when they say that gender is socially constructed. If it were simply about bits, you would be unable to make a judgement about someone’s gender until you knew what genitals they possessed.

    When you say that a trans*woman is not actually a woman, you are applying a different, arbitrary definition to her that you don’t apply to other women. You are suddenly saying that something that is completely irrelevant in day to day life for you is suddenly more important than anything else.

    (everyone, feel free to smack me if I’ve gotten something terribly wrong)

  35. Most transpeople are delusioned, this isn’t a transphobic statement

    LOL! LOLOLOLOLOL

    it passes no judgement, it doesn’t say transpeople are bad, it merely states that they are incorrect in what they believe themselves to be

    So you’ll take no umbrage when I tell you that you’re pig-ignorant and a spouter of hateful falsehoods which cause real harm to trans* people every day, right? Because I’m not passing judgement, I’m just stating that your beliefs are incorrect and that they cause measurable pain and suffering!

    Oh, wait, I guess I am passing judgement, because that’s kind of inherent to believing that what someone is doing is bad and misinformed.

    If you disagree with me on my definition of man and woman, you know what, that’s fine, just don’t label me tranphobic becuase I use the official, legally recognised definitions

    Some countries legally recognize trans* status, some don’t exactly but still allow for legal transitioning. Do you really think gender changes based on what country you’re in?

    (For that matter, I’m pretty sure even the U.S. bases legal gender not on genitals but on gender assignment at birth, but I could be wrong about that.)

  36. Gamerime, depends on the state, federally I assume that they go with whatever your legal ID says. Yeah, looks like the state dept just requires a doctor’s letter (“just” but yes, it’s legally changeable)

    Try here for state laws, but no flash on here so I’m not sure it’s really the right sort of data — http://transequality.org/Resources/DL/DL_policies.html

    Wiki has more though.

  37. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

    Kirbywarp, did you have to post No 2 in that list? Put up a Creepy Douche Asshole warning next time, willya?

    ::hides under desk::

  38. To this ‘No, no, no’ person (what a fitting name); Gender is not determined by genitalia alone, my friend! Let me explain the biology of Trans folks (as I understand it, if I am wrong, I hope fellow Boobzers don’t flame me)…*ahem*….

    There are biological sex differences between brains. Male & female brains have subtle differences in how they are structured & there are USUALLY subtle differences in thinking styles/cognition. Keep in mind that NONE of this has any bearing on intelligence, ethics or anything else.

    Anyway, The brain, you can say, is the seat of one’s personality, self, consciousness & identity, who you REALLY are, the seat of the soul. You are what’s in that big bundle of nervous grey matter which resides in your skull.

    Now, sometimes, when Mother Nature wants to come up with something different (as she is wont to do) a person is born who, through a certain moment of unusual happenstance, as a brain that one sex stuck in the body of another sex. Thus, you have what appears to be either a guy with a gal’s brain or a gal with a guy’s brain.

    Since the brain is the seat of the soul & who you really are, the brain determines your true identity. Therefore Chaz Bono was ALWAYS Chaz Bono, even if he appeared to be a girl named Chastity Bono. Brandon Teena may have appeared to be a cute girl who cross-dressed but make no mistake, he was AAAAALLLL MAN!

    Gender, Sex….why should someone’s worth be based on these things or the strict adherence thereof? People should be judged by character alone, not their physical sex, gender identity/expression, sexual preference, ethnicity, color, size, age, nationality, religion/non-religion, disability, social standing, economic level or any other variable.

    Gender schmender! We should embrace the beauty & variety of sex & gender variables….a spectrum….a rainbow!

    Oh, if you decide to bring up that “homosexuality with lead to pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia, etc.” here’s one word to shoot all that down…..CONSENT! An animal cannot consent, thus zoophilia is basically animal rape/abuse. A corpse can’t consent because it’s dead & it’s just plain unhealthy for someone to sex-up dead folks, a child cannot truly consent because the don’t fully understand or grasp the full implications of the the whole situation!

    Two people of the same sex/gender who fully consent with each other are not immoral.

    Now, Homosexuality & Transgender are two totally different things, however, I brought up the above argument concerning Queer lovestyles because I just know that ‘No no no’ is bound to make a “slippery-slope” argument concerning my above statement:

    *Gender, Sex….why should someone’s worth be based on these things or the strict adherence thereof? People should be judged by character alone, not their physical sex, gender identity/expression, sexual preference, ethnicity, color, size, age, nationality, religion/non-religion, disability, social standing, economic level or any other variable.

    Gender schmender! We should embrace the beauty & variety of sex & gender variables….a spectrum….a rainbow!*

    And now, my rebuttal of *No no no* is done, thank you.

  39. To this ‘No, no, no’ person (what a fitting name); Gender is not determined by genitalia alone, my friend! Let me explain the biology of Trans folks (as I understand it, if I am wrong, I hope fellow Boobzers don’t flame me)…*ahem*….

    There are biological sex differences between brains. Male & female brains have subtle differences in how they are structured & there are USUALLY subtle differences in thinking styles/cognition. Keep in mind that NONE of this has any bearing on intelligence, ethics or anything else.

    Anyway, The brain, you can say, is the seat of one’s personality, self, consciousness & identity, who you REALLY are, the seat of the soul. You are what’s in that big bundle of nervous grey matter which resides in your skull.

    Now, sometimes, when Mother Nature wants to come up with something different (as she is wont to do) a person is born who, through a certain moment of unusual happenstance, as a brain that one sex stuck in the body of another sex. Thus, you have what appears to be either a guy with a gal’s brain or a gal with a guy’s brain.

    Since the brain is the seat of the soul & who you really are, the brain determines your true identity. Therefore Chaz Bono was ALWAYS Chaz Bono, even if he appeared to be a girl named Chastity Bono. Brandon Teena may have appeared to be a cute girl who cross-dressed but make no mistake, he was AAAAALLLL MAN!

    Gender, Sex….why should someone’s worth be based on these things or the strict adherence thereof? People should be judged by character alone, not their physical sex, gender identity/expression, sexual preference, ethnicity, color, size, age, nationality, religion/non-religion, disability, social standing, economic level or any other variable.

    Gender schmender! We should embrace the beauty & variety of sex & gender variables….a spectrum….a rainbow!

    Oh, if you decide to bring up that “homosexuality with lead to pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia, etc.” here’s one word to shoot all that down…..CONSENT! An animal cannot consent, thus zoophilia is basically animal rape/abuse. A corpse can’t consent because it’s dead & it’s just plain unhealthy for someone to sex-up dead folks, a child cannot truly consent because the don’t fully understand or grasp the full implications of the the whole situation!

    Two people of the same sex/gender who fully consent with each other are not immoral.

    Now, Homosexuality & Transgender are two totally different things, however, I brought up the above argument concerning Queer lovestyles because I just know that ‘No no no’ is bound to make a “slippery-slope” argument concerning my above statement:

    Gender, Sex….why should someone’s worth be based on these things or the strict adherence thereof? People should be judged by character alone, not their physical sex, gender identity/expression, sexual preference, ethnicity, color, size, age, nationality, religion/non-religion, disability, social standing, economic level or any other variable.

    Gender schmender! We should embrace the beauty & variety of sex & gender variables….a spectrum….a rainbow!

    And now, my rebuttal of No no no is done, thank you.

    (*argh!* Tried commenting from my home inbox. Bad idea. Copy-pasted it, here)

  40. I, Julie, have changed my name to SpukiKitty. Thank you. =D

  41. “Queer lovestyles”

    I am so swiping that, thank you! And yeah, your trans* 101 passes my sniff test, 101 for sure, but let’s not confuse no, no, no too much! (If ze even returns, I suspect we had a troll by trolling)

  42. Thanks! =)

  43. Most transpeople are delusioned, this isn’t a transphobic statement, it passes no judgement, it doesn’t say transpeople are bad, it merely states that they are incorrect in what they believe themselves to be, a person who has a penis is not a woman, if they beleive they are they have an incorrect belief, a delusion, this NOT saying they are lesser people, it’s simply saying they are incorrect.

    Denying an inherent part of our identity by calling us “deluded” is bigoted. Twist things all you want.

    If you disagree with me on my definition of man and woman, you know what, that’s fine, just don’t label me tranphobic becuase I use the official, legally recognised definitions

    Official legal definitions can be transphobic, too, and they are in no way absolute. And because you’re okay with them, you are a transphobe. Now fuck off.

  44. Nice response, SpukiKitty! =D

  45. Thankies! *GIVES MEGA SPUKI HUGZ*

  46. Shorter no,no,no: Don’t label me transphobic just because of my transphobia

    PS, trans* people are delusional becuz genitals dictate your gender!!!! Like how cis-women who get masectomies become half-woman, and cis-men who suffer unfortunate accidents exist in some limbo state outside of gender*

    *not like some people don’t identify as man or women, because lots of people don’t, but transphobic people normally don’t let “neither man nor women” or “both man and women” or “who cares gender?” or any of the other variations exist in their binary.

  47. “Like, I think that people who identify as otherkin are delusional. Am I going to mount a crusade against them to force them to acknowledge what I see as reality? No, because they’re not doing anyone any harm, so what would be the point?”

    The problem is that trans people will label people who disagree with their identity as being hateful and breaching their human right to identify however they please when really we just disagree with them, in fact many advocate for ‘not acknowledging gender identity’ being a hate crime. They will also staunchly claim they have a right to be in spaces that /legally belong to someone else/ ‘transwomen’ for example don’t care that place is /legally delegated/ to people that are /legally/ women, they will barge in and declare they have a right to do so.
    Those same ‘transwomen’ will also demand women’s doctors then complain they aren’t getting the right medical treatment because they need a men’s doctor!

    In comparison to ‘transpeople’, otherkin are completely rational.

  48. After further reading of the comments, I would like to admit that I am in fact, the person who posted ‘no,no,no’

    I am truly sorry I labelled transgenderedism ‘delusional’ I took anger out on innocent people and would like to apologize for that.

    However.
    To the person who was so kidn to actually rebutt me rather than mindlessly bash me;

    Testosterone forms the male organs-including the brain, in the womb and oestrogen forms the organs in the womb, this renders ‘brain-based’ arguments completely against transgenderedism; the female reproductive organs and female brain develop using the same hormones at the same time, so do the male body and brain. In fact,changing the definitions of gender to ‘validate gender identities’ will result in people receiving the wrong medical care and falsely observing behavior and physiology, because it will no longer be acceptable to observe how men and women are truly, physically different.

    Whether you are a man or a woman is based on reproductive organs, this is legal and official, you can find it in any dictionary or biology class worth it’s salt, and this means that the proponent of the new definition has burden of proof. Just because I can’t tell doesn’t mean the official definition is wrong. As someone was so kind to mention yes I am holding trans people to a different standard, because I expect people to know what they are and be honest about what they are, people who don’t know are ignorant of the truth, people who aren’t honest wish to make others ignorant.
    By the way, terms such as ‘stuck in the wrong body’ or ‘man stuck in a womans’ body, and especially ‘gal with a guys brain’ are widely accepted as transphobic by trans rights activists such as yourself.

    Changing your use of language to make you or other people feel ‘validated’ is your personal choice, non-acceptance of this change is not a sign we hate trans people, it’s a sign that language changes gradually over time, if the defnitions are outdated, then it will evolve naturally and you wont need to brand the old definition as transphobic.

    Asking me if I can tell whether someone is a man or woman because of the way they dress is like asking me to tell if someone is black or white because of the way they dress, and in fact, this is a sexist/racist idea. (or, in the world of Manboobz.com, transphobic)
    I also never advocate judgement based on looks’ and always value consent and freedom of people to consent; yes means yes, and hate slippery slope the fiery passion, I dare say you are stereotyping me as your stereotypical trans-hater just because I disagree.

    As an afterword, it’s pointless to identify yourself by this invisible intangible thing known as ‘gender identity’, it says nothing about you, it completely misses the point of an ‘identity.’
    I’m a woman because of my body parts, that’s what make it important, identifying ‘because you feel like it’ is a pointless label that doesn’t help people know who you are and probably misleads them.

  49. Truth is the main reason I called trans people delusional is because so many trans activists think they can called otherkin delusional and get away with what is, basically, hypocrisy, regardless of how ‘silly’ their beliefs are, otherkin are having a real experience too, and otherkin experience various conditions related to their identity, many experiences phantom limb sensation of having a tail or having wings, they may find it strange putting on clothes because they feel like they aren’t supposed to have hands or their tusks might get caught, the parallels between otherkin and transpeople is unmistakable, but so many trans activists think they can judge otherkin.

  50. I wonder what these idiots have to say about female to male transexuals?

    I mean even people in the Iran admits that transexuality is a real thing: and they are a freaking Theocracy!

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