Gullible Men’s Rights Redditors fooled by fake Jezebel article arguing that paternity fraud is “one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Some people are easily fooled.
This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
Posted on May 7, 2013, in a voice for men, antifeminism, doxing, dozens of upvotes, drama, evil women, gullibility, misogyny, MRA, reddit, straw feminists, TROOOLLLL!! and tagged antifeminism, men's rights, MRA, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 856 Comments.
at this point, moldy is grabbing his own wrist, punching himself in the face, and demanding to know why we are hitting ourselves.
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Okay, so is your basic option there is no solution?
I mean, it seems like you are freaking out around unwanted kids: you can’t give them for adoption, you can’t let them be raised by their mom and pay child support, so you have to raise them yourself but if they turn out to be non-genetically related you’re going to sue the pants off the mom, genetic father, and then try to “claim the kid for yourself”
or was that moldy on the last one?
Anyway, my point is it seems like you’ve worked yourself into a corner where there is no winning option.
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no seriously
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Solution to what?
i don’t understand the claim the kid for yourself part.
You asked why someone would not just leave right away if he never wanted kids. And I told why there are such people.
my personal solution against unwanted children is abortion. plain and simple. but i am not everybody. i would like more people to practice it but i can’t force them. and because of this i have nothing against men that actually stay if their partner decided to keep their kid. but i can also see that they deserve all the compensation if they were actually frauded into making such a life changing decision they would never go for otherwise.
And I am not saying it is some huge world issue. mra seem to be terrified of having sex because they believe it happens all the time. but no matter how minor the issue is the ones affected by it should not be overlooked….
What is your solution? just tell the guy to suck it up because he was lied to on the day he decided to stop being child free because he thought he was the one who had the accident during sex and act like nothing bad happened? (and yes i am only talking about cases where he was indeed lied to on purpose).
Breadmold is one big tone argument.
This is a really impressive meltdown; does anybody else sm(p)ell something?
@inurashii
I was smelling pell earlier
Huh? So the feminist movement is a hate movement now???
I don’t think so. I think YOU GUYS are the ones spreading the hate.
“Um, obv patriarchy harms men too, but it is primarily designed to harm women. For example, saying that men are sex beasts is harmful, but not anywhere nearly as harmful as raping women.
Being primarily concerned with the effects on men is like saying that the primary problem of literacy tests in the South was that they prevented some white people from voting.”
Saying that men are sex beasts promotes the patriarchal gender construct that men should be the “sex seekers” and women should be the “sex doers”. It pigeonholes both genders into narrow categories. It doesn’t matter which is worse, as both are bad, and I’m not interested in childish pissing contests.
Moldy:
Sometimes. If you scroll up (and go back a page) you will see other ways in which I talk.
I could, I supppose, have taken the effort to (again) catalogue your failings in respect to how you fail to ascribe the same moral grace and rectititude to women as you assume exists with men, that you infantalise them my moving the goalposts from, “raped but didn’t talk about it, and so cuckolded her partner”, to, “was preyed on by a man who abandoned his responsibility and forced her to cuckold her partner”, to your the reactionary moralising of your slut-shaming disgust that women might want to have sex with, “random” men.
But I was pressed for time, and previous iterations of making a careful refutation of the drivel you presented in lieu of reasoned argument had failed.
This seemed more likely to penetrate the pretrified ossium of your thickeheaded skull.
And it did.
So yes, sometimes (as need dictates) feminists talk like that.
You misogynistic douchenozzle.
No one ever said men were sex beasts, except you, and your whole career here thus far has been a giant pissing contest.
^^directed at Ugh
@breadmold
One thing about people like this, is that (on both sides) they care more about showing themselves as victim than to actually look at the whole issue and how to change it. MRA does nothing but cry how mean women are . The hive over here is just to make sure nobody believes that men have problems too based on patriarchy that can be fixed
Hellkell: “No one ever said men were sex beasts, except you, and your whole career here thus far has been a giant pissing contest.”
Patriarchy has, but I doubt you even know what patriarchy is, since you’re just another clueless braindead idiot.
Hey, Hellkell, speaking of which, there is another group of people who don’t know what patriarchy means – the MRA’s. Seriously, have a chat with them. Considering that you’re just as clueless as they are, they would love to have you as company. :)
*clears throat*
*begins to channel moldy*
Is this how all of you talk? Shameful, shameful. You are fighting like a toddler having a tantrum. Calling hellkell a braindead idiot! Shame, shame.
@Catwoman I would love to see an argument between Alex Brown (the MRA) and Hellkell one day. That’ll be like… the perfect example of an exothermic force that I’ve always been dying to see one day.
Yeah, right, Moldy. I don’t know what patriarchy is. Sure.
“*clears throat*
*begins to channel moldy*
Is this how all of you talk? Shameful, shameful. You are fighting like a toddler having a tantrum. Calling hellkell a braindead idiot! Shame, shame.”
Hey, all I’m doing is fitting in with the crowd! If other people are throwing insults left and right like a toddler, why shouldn’t I?
Isn’t that what I learned from these uh… “feminists”? That you have to agree with everything they say and do everything they do to not be labelled as an MRA?
So the reason why I’m “fighting like a toddler” is so that I wouldn’t be labelled as an MRA. :)
Moldy: Sorry, the 30 percent was Uncle Joe
You just said it was such a big risk we had to assume every woman might be “tricking” men into rearing other mens’ children.
Actually, on balance, I have to say that The First Joe is looking better than you are on that score.
“@Catwoman I would love to see an argument between Alex Brown (the MRA) and Hellkell one day. That’ll be like… the perfect example of an exothermic force that I’ve always been dying to see one day.”
lol, yeah just grab popcorn and watch to idiots battle each other. we should link him here, he likes to discuss such topics anyways.
No response from Fade, i see her solution was exactly what I thought it would be, haha.
Um, it matters when assholes like you somehow think that stereotypes are worse than ACTUAL RAPE.
Saying that patriarchy discriminates more against women than against men isn’t a pissing contest, it’s a statement of basic objective fact.
@Breadmold
This is my problem with your argument: you keep saying the child isn’t “his”, implying that he wouldn’t have loved the child if he’d known; that it’s genetic similarity, not love or assuming the role of parent, that men care about. Do you know what you just said to all the adopters and adoptees reading this? Are you one of those people who tells adoptive parents that Susie isn’t their “real” daughter, who asks adoptees who their “real” parents are?
I guess I just can’t imagine dividing children into “mine” and “not mine” based on genes alone – especially after 18 years of raising and loving those children – so your scenario where a man throws his hands up and walks away because it turns out the child doesn’t share his genes just doesn’t ring true to me. Is this a thing that men actually do?
Stereotypes are worse than actual rape. They cause rape and victim blaming at the end.
One of the factors that make one suffer from rape are based on stereotypes themselves
I’ma gonna leave that there.
Please elaborate on this MRA talking point, it’s always interesting to see misogyny get aired out.
What the actual fuck? This may be the dumbest thing ever said.
How on earth did you conclude this?
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OMG, yeah, those guys, so bad for men, amiright?
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“Um, it matters when assholes like you somehow think that stereotypes are worse than ACTUAL RAPE.
Saying that patriarchy discriminates more against women than against men isn’t a pissing contest, it’s a statement of basic objective fact.”
Yes actual rape sucks thank you very much, but we have to ask why rape occurs and what’s stopping women from being able to access help. Specifically, what is the role that systemic patriarchy dictates that prevent these women from getting help?
Hint: it’s because of how patriarchy paints men and women, making the negative portrayal of men to be seen as “superior” and negative portrayal of women seen as “inferior”.
I’m gonna go ahead and predict that we’re about to witness a 500 word essay on how rape wouldn’t be that bad if we weren’t all socialized to think that rape is a bad thing.
Citations, please.
And your takeaway from a culture that paints men as superior and women as inferior is
Hint: it’s because of how patriarchy paints men and women, making the negative portrayal of men to be seen as “superior” and negative portrayal of women seen as “inferior”.
This is the most coherent thing you’ve said in pages, and I still can’t figure out what the fuck it even means.
Catwoman and/or breadmold, can you explain your relationship to one another?
Hellkell: “What the actual fuck? This may be the dumbest thing ever said.
How on earth did you conclude this?”
I highly suggest you to go join MRA right now. There’s only one group of people in the world that’s just as clueless as you morons are, and both you and the MRA’s have one thing in common – that you both have a halfassed understanding of patriarchy. Go make friends with them. Idiots and freaks like you can dance around in public saying all you want about how your own gender is the only oppressed people on this planet.
Meh I don’t mind being the “misogynist” for a day
There are many points, here are some:
one of the worst things after the rape is the fact that you know people won’t believe you because you are a slut (stereotypes)p
there is also period of self blaming (again because of stereotypes)
stereotypes on male female sexuality is also what lets some men believe they are “entitled” to sex and commit rape
and so on.
without stereotypes there would be no rape.
with less stereotypes there would be at least less suffering and more support after.
stereotypes are the root under all the problems. so they are the worst harm
“Catwoman and/or breadmold, can you explain your relationship to one another?”
friends.
This stinks of Assfax.
@Pecunium
I don’t think there’s an American equivalent of “accouchement sous X”(the possibility for the mother to give birth anonymously and abandon the child directly), but I know there’s ways for a mother to abandon a baby easily in the U.S.
I don’t advocate for men being able to walk away freely from their children, I just say that things would be more clear, more coherent if we indicate clearly the situations where a man can renounce to parental rights and where he CAN’T do it and it will requires to abandon this fiction of biological fatherhood implying automatic legal fatherhood (which the justice considers to be a thing only if the mother want it of course).
A little bit of coherence, a little bit of logic.
Men walking away from their children for whom they have LEGAL responsibility is another thing. Imposing shared custody as the norm, rather than according almost always sole custody to the mothers, would have a great effect in reducing the number of “runaway dads” – but of course, like always, feminists will oppose it under a pretext (in this case, domestic violence) – because men AREN’T EVIL MONSTERS, like most women, most of them want the good of their children and if we allow them to share a more important role than seeing them every month, they’ll take their responsibility.
Feminists are always here to transform every important question concerning Family Law into an ideological struggle where what matters isn’t what is just or what is good but what favor women and what permit to demonize men.
I suspect you of saying this only to attack another “troll” but I thank you for the compliment anyway.
Friends with the same IP, I’ll bet.
@Catwoman
So your argument boils down to, rapists are only rapists because they’re stereotyped as rapists?
no we are not roommates. we do live in the same city though
just like i am not all the other people you accused me to be so far, lol!
Moldy: If I’m so fucking stupid, explain to me how you conclude that stereotypes are worse than rape. Use little words if you need to.
Also, that the stereotypes of men as rapists are more of an issue than the stereotypes of rape survivors?
“So your argument boils down to, rapists are only rapists because they’re stereotyped as rapists?”
no.
Of course you live in the same city. Uh-huh.
@hellkell
If so, Ima send a clown to the address. The idea that someone would go through the trouble of creating two different personas and have whole conversations with each other is so depressing, I may cry.
yes, hellkell.some of us have real friends that we met in real life and then talked online. crazy world
Shadow: ain’t it sad to contemplate? Hilariously sad.
Except you said exactly that, right here:
Yeah, on this blog to push your shitty little points. Gotcha.
without stereotypes there would be no rape.
with less stereotypes there would be at least less suffering and more support after.
stereotypes are the root under all the problems. so they are the worst harm
Got any citations to go with that grossly inflated gall bladder?
See, in Catwoman’s world, there was no sexual violence, ever in the entirety of human history.
Then some bad apple, a b-word no doubt, started unfairly calling all men potential rapists, and it just went downhill from there.
“Catwoman and/or breadmold, can you explain your relationship to one another?”
We’re feminists, true feminists who believe that patriarchy is harmful in this society not only to women, but also to men, due to the fact that this systemic form of dogma creates gender stereotypes that primarily cause not only women to experience oppression but also men.
If you look at the comments starting page 2, you’ll realize that a lot of the comments that other posters said and attacked me with were not just very unpleasant; they were ignorant and also provides a very narrow minded view of society. I said at one point that married men have the right to suspect that their newborn baby from their wife might not be his child via getting a paternity test. I’m not saying that it’s a common occurrence, but all I’m saying is that it happens, and the fact that it happens justifies his right to have accessibility for paternity testing.
You’ll notice that one comment sparked a massive wave of insults at me, to the point where it really got out of hand. And later on, Catwoman and me helped to illustrate our points, only for us to be attacked more and more. The problem I’ve been noticing is that these people adamantly thinks that there’s no way in hell men can suffer in this society, which I have major issues with because patriarchy oppresses men as well.
^^Directed at Manboobz
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“So your argument boils down to, rapists are only rapists because they’re stereotyped as rapists?”
no.
Except you said exactly that, right here:
stereotypes on male female sexuality is also what lets some men believe they are “entitled” to sex and commit rape
and so on.
without stereotypes there would be no rape.
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LOL, this is what you got out of it? oy vey, no wonder i think most who comment here are dumb as shit.
since when stereotypes of male/female sexuality are all about “men being stereotyped as rapists”? is that the only stereotype you know?
BREADMOLD AND CATWOMAN: THE ONE TRUE FEMINIST.
No, breadmold and/or catwoman, what is your PERSONAL relationship to one another?
You want to think we are the same person you are welcome to. you already believe in your tiny brain that everyone who disagrees with you is one and the same person. (although something tells me i disagree with them about most things as well)
if someone wants to check ip to chill out i am sure you can.
Hellkell:”Friends with the same IP, I’ll bet.”
Yes because there’s no way in hell the feminist community would ever disagree with your own problematic, one-sided views. Funny, though, I’m very flattered that you would spend time and effort trying to guess who I am, even though you don’t even know me.
“No, breadmold and/or catwoman, what is your PERSONAL relationship to one another?”
friends was a bad answer? lol.
Because only true feminists call other women breeding bitches and demand that people be punished for choosing to have children.
It must be tough commenting from two accounts at once, so I’ll upgrade this troll to 2/10.
Look, my solution is get a paternity test if it’s bugging you so much, don’t if it’s not, then stop whinging about it on the internet
Stereotypes. Are worse than. Rape.
Horrible human points award.
Re: true feminists.
yes, the patriarchy can have negative effects on men. I do not see how that has anything to do with legally mandated paternity tests, or w/e started this long, long boringness
@Catwoman
Because that’s exactly what we’re talking about?
To recap:
You/Breadmold: The primary problem with Farrell’s rape advocacy is the stereotypes that men are rapists.
Me: No, the primary problem is rape.
You/Breadmold: No, because those stereotypes [that men cause rape] are the only things that cause rape.
Me: So you’re saying that stereotypes that men cause rape, which you seem to think is a bigger deal than actual rape, cause all rape?
You: No. How dare you assume that the stereotypes we’re arguing about are the same stereotypes I used in that specific comment.
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It’s unethical, but it’s not a crime, at least not in the US. It’s also not a crime for a husband to impregnate his mistress.
I agree that people can be really awful to childfree women. However, they can also be awful to mothers, calling them breeders or cows, or saying they shut cross their legs to stop “spewing out babies”. The misogyny will happen either way.
You may be an equal hater, but most people give more shit to moms than dads. Mothers are blamed for all of their children’s misbehavior. When poor parents need government assistance, the mothers are treated like a burden on society while the fathers get a free pass. Mothers that are involved in their children’s lives are made fun of as “soccer moms” or “helicopter moms” while dads that are involved are heroes. All he has to do is play catch for an hour a week to go above and beyond the call of duty, while moms are judged as neglectful if they don’t follow a million rules laid out by attachment parenting gurus.
I’m glad I have the word “mommy” in my moniker, because I’m sick of misogynists of all genders using the term to mean “mothers that gush about their kids are annoying”. They usually don’t treat the word “daddy” like a bad thing, so until everyone becomes equally hateful to all parents, I say the word “breeder” is misogynist.
That was from PeMRA’s gif about the guy kicking an elderly woman. Remember, he says SRS is a hate site, but gifs about elder abuse are apparently hilarious. MRA logic right there.
“No, breadmold and/or catwoman, what is your PERSONAL relationship to one another?”
We’re very good friends.
TRUE feministm says stereotype is worst than rapes. TRUE fenimist is accuse ppl of not care about men. TRUE festiminst is take MRA talking points, paste on word ‘patriarchy’ and call everyone else MRA.
“Because only true feminists call other women breeding bitches and demand that people be punished for choosing to have children.”
What was my proposed punishment, enlighten me please.
and thereare breeding bitches, just because i am female doesn’t mean i like all other humans with vagina and boobs
Multiple socks on the thread! How original! (not really, MARL did it first)
^^LOL Catwoman, that sounds like something that the MRA’s would say!
I actually don’t know what is sadder, the likely scenario that they are the same person who is using an IP masker, or that there are actually two people in the world who discuss every day about how feminists aren’t real feminists unless they prioritize men’s issues.
That’s what people here love to say. Why all this drama and all this distasteful language when in fact you agree between you?
breadmold basically just high fived himself.
@Ugh
You are an idiot :)
So none of you gets the issue of stereotypes and how they indeed are the big an main factor behind rape? the way we (as society) see masculinity, femininity, sex etc?
Yes, rape is a side effect of the stereotypes. if we didn’t have them nobody would ever come up with the idea that he has a right to do it to somebody who never agreed and see nothing wrong with it.
B and C, how far apart do you live and/or work?