Gullible Men’s Rights Redditors fooled by fake Jezebel article arguing that paternity fraud is “one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Some people are easily fooled.
This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
Posted on May 7, 2013, in a voice for men, antifeminism, doxing, dozens of upvotes, drama, evil women, gullibility, misogyny, MRA, reddit, straw feminists, TROOOLLLL!! and tagged antifeminism, men's rights, MRA, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 856 Comments.
Um, what would be a better motivation for sleeping with someone other than “she likes it.” Liking it is kinda the point of sex.
LOL. Look at it try to get nasty. -3/10
This meltdown is gonna be awesome. Anyone want some popcorn?
I will admit, I did not understand this
Re: becoming assholes.
Well, women have to become “Baby killers” or assholes if we get an abortion or give a kid up for adoption. Sometimes, society sucks and you look bad.
I do not know what “they would not want to have someone else influence it” means. It sounds controlling, and skeevy. Like, they would want to be able to be in complete control of their biological kid, but if it wasn’t theirs they’d hate it?
I hope I misunderstood you, because that is really creepy
@howardbann1ster
The worst way to hate women is your paternalist attitude, you know, “tolerating” like a Great Lord the shit women say.
Me, I’m just frank and I say what I think without being considerate of “women’s feelings”, that doesn’t make me a woman-hater.
“Where in the blue fuck did I say that?
And what’s wrong with a single woman sleeping with a random dude?
You just want to punish women at any opportunity. Guys like you are so transparent.”
Huh? So if a married woman cheats on her husband, then she’s now a single woman? Are you trying to say that women are too stupid to understand that extramarital affairs is wrong?
You just want to ridicule women at any opportunity. MRA minions like you Hellkell are so transparent.
It just makes you an even bigger asshole, Brz.
I think it’s hilarious how Catwoman/breadmold realizes that it’s an insult to call people MRAs, then still spouts MRA talking points obviously gleaned from MRA websites.
Yo, when your movement is so messed up that it can be used as a perjorative, it’s time to leave that movement.
Was it the one that another troll posted last week, or a different gif of a man kicking a woman?
breadmold: calm down, sweetie. You’re getting all confused.
moldy: Because if it’s not punished, or barely punished, then you’re saying that women don’t have morals to be able to live up to the fact that lying to a man is wrong, and that you think it’s normal for her to sleep with a random guy because she likes it. And that is a highly misogynistic thing to say, Hellkell.
Punished…. interesting word there.
Which is in keeping with the idea that you want revenge.
And what’s wrong with people sleeping with random guys because they like it?
What’s misogynistic in saying women shouldn’t be presumed immoral for doing it?
catwoman: not really.
Not really? Let me quote you.
And as for breeders I hate them in all genders.
Now, you will argue that this is limited to just those who tell you to have kids. But when the rubber meets the road, you use that same condemnation to other childfree people who support the right of other people to have children.
So, by your actions (now, and in the past) you just hate anyone who doesn’t hate children as much as you do.
Haha interesting how “women” apparently now means “women in non-open marriages” in breadmold’s world.
Ugh, I know, right? The fool just said “women” is his original spew.
You don’t have some moral imperative to externalize all the sexist shit you believe. Feel free to keep that to yourself.
@hellkell
Maybe there’s some distinction between “women” and “strumpets” in his vernacular that hasn’t become clear?
BRZ: so non-woman hating, he puts women’s feelings in quotes
This tired shit again: It’s a pity that hellkell and kittehsurfer are spreading so much stupid and bigotry that it makes the Manboobz blog very unattractive to the viewers, thus leading to more people to side with the MRA’s as opposed to David. If I’m a “troll”, then hellkell and kittehsurfer are MRA minions who’s intent is to make the blog as abhorrent to the viewers as possible.
“Whah! The Manboobzers were so mean to me when I said women were lying sluts who lie that now I shall go become an MRA dude! That”ll show them!!!!!!
If that’s really the case then your “feminism” was pretty weak shit. I begin to think you didn’t suffer as much as you claimed when you were watching Warrell.
” i will admit, I did not understand this
Re: becoming assholes.
Well, women have to become “Baby killers” or assholes if we get an abortion or give a kid up for adoption. Sometimes, society sucks and you look bad. ”
sure.only when a woman aborts there is no kid. if a man walks away it is still there.
“I do not know what “they would not want to have someone else influence it” means. It sounds controlling, and skeevy. Like, they would want to be able to be in complete control of their biological kid, but if it wasn’t theirs they’d hate it?
I hope I misunderstood you, because that is really creepy””
When you raise a kid you influence it. It is not about some creepy control. You pass your values and your views, the idea that I would for example leave a kid with someone who believes in god is not against animal abuse or is racist for example would not be something what i would want.
when it is your kid it was you who did it, so you feel you are responsible for who it will become. you don’t just want to randomly leave it to someone who can create another asshole of society. if its not your kid, it doesn’t feel like such responsibility because you were not the one who got him here in the first place. it is not about “hating” if its not theirs. parents sure love their non biological kids. it is about the decision one makes when on finds out there is a potential kid. there is not “love” there yet for the kid. one just will be more likely to agree to change one’s life (for the worst, if one never wanted a kid) if one actually feels responsible for it being conceived
Yeah, clearly these goofballs were raring to support women’s rights until they came here.
Hellkell: “breadmold: calm down, sweetie. You’re getting all confused.”
Ah yes, “sweetie”. Because it’s so okay for random strangers to call people that they don’t know as “sweetie”, am I correct? How do you feel if an old man calls a young girl he doesn’t know a “sweetie”. Then you would be proud of it wouldn’t you?
Misogynist!
If we’re looking at the very narrow situation of a man being told by a woman he trusts that they are pregnant with his child (while intentionally lying to him), then they are likely to end up at the very least paying child support. Personally, I think if you have a child then you need to grow the fuck up and be there for them regardless of how you feel about parenthood (and assuming the child is being raised by the other parent, I’m not trying to cast aspersions on putting children up for adoption). So, in that very specific type of situation the man is being fucked over. But, as has been re-iterated over and over, this is a problem for the individual men involved, but is nowhere close to being widespread enough to be considered a societal problem.
hellkell: I’ll have to catch up on the meltdown later, I have to go to work. Means I need to take the cloak out too, since it’s raining like all fuck here.
“If that’s really the case then your “feminism” was pretty weak shit. I begin to think you didn’t suffer as much as you claimed when you were watching Warrell.”
Actually I was primarily insulted at how Farrell made some offensive remarks about men (because he spreads patriarchy, which oppresses both of us), but I highly doubt you would give 9 shits because nobody has ever loved you enough to make you care about people that isn’t yourself.
pecunium, i don’t really care about this, if you want to think i hate everyone with a child, you are more than welcome to think so
“Haha interesting how “women” apparently now means “women in non-open marriages” in breadmold’s world.”
considering that conversation was about men who were made believe by their partners that the kid is theirs it is kind of obvious that those women are not “single”?
@pecunium
Oh what an extreme form of paper abortion : men being able to renounce parental rights if they hadn’t implicitly agreed on being the presumable fathers by contracting a marriage or a civil union with the woman.
Because, you know, renouncing parental rights as you please is something only women should be allowed to do. I don’t even advocate men being able to renounce parental rights as they please, I just think that it would be a good idea to settle that the only place where men are forced to be the legal parents is in the context of a marriage or a civil union.
But, hey, feminists won’t agree with that, because feminists never had been about logic or justice (or even against patriarchy) but all about using every means to favor women over men, so if it can be good for men: it’s bad.
Recognition of biological fatherhood if it’s good for the woman, negation of biological fatherhood if it’s good for the woman.
Hypocrites.
oh, moldy, you are so far out of your breadbox right now.
@Catwoman
Okay, maybe because i care less about genetics than you, I am really not understanding how you’d feel cheated out of “influencing” your kid or your relationship with the kid if it wasn’t genetically related to you
Also, women can give kids up for adoption, too.
I gotta say, it’s a bit unusual to see three MRAs going into full-on incoherent mode at the same time. Quite a spectacle.
Dude, I don’t know if English isn’t a language you’re strong in or what, but you are really shit at putting your ideas forward. I follow what you’re trying to say only because I a) have a lot of experience with interpreting poor English b) give people way more assumption of good faith than their action show they deserve. So you have no right to get huffy about people reading your words and coming to the conclusions they come to, because it’s your poor writing, not their reading comprehension that’s at fault.
Don’t worry, my consideration for “men’s fellings” when they stand against logic isn’t bigger.
Doesn’t care about the women Farrell advocates raping.
Claims we can’t care about other people.
Catwoman:
Actually, one of the big MRA talking-points is women who get pregnant by an Alpha Cock and then claim a Beta Sucker is the father in order to get him to marry her–so at the time they are not, in fact, married.
The ‘issue’ being discussed is false attributions of paternity; marriage may or may not be part of the deal.
This Catwoman isn’t very good, perhaps it’s the Halle Berry version?
“I gotta say, it’s a bit unusual to see three MRAs going into full-on incoherent mode at the same time. Quite a spectacle.”
Yes, because people who agree that men are regular human beings who don’t like to be the victim of fraud is automatically an MRA.
Are you trying to make the MRA audience larger or something, so that they can successfully squash the feminist community? Is that your idea to weaken feminism groups?
You know that shotgun weddings don’t actually happen, right? About half of children are raised by single mothers, and paying no child support is more common than paying full child support.
You already played the “You’re playing right into their hands” card dude
”
@Catwoman
Okay, maybe because i care less about genetics than you, I am really not understanding how you’d feel cheated out of “influencing” your kid or your relationship with the kid if it wasn’t genetically related to you
Also, women can give kids up for adoption, too.
”
I don’t care about genetics. This why I will have no children.
The point is that if you feel responsible for the fact that this kid was conceived you are more likely to ruin your life. not because it is your family tree, but because there is one extra person there because of you, and you want to at least make sure its not going to be another scumbag.
I don’t understand how you don’t get that. If its not his kid he has less burden thinking of going away because he knows that someone else was responsible to make it.
I am not sure what you try to prove by the last comment.
@breadmold
Yeah, because the one thing feminists need is a bunch of dudes who read Warren Farrell advocating for date rape and child abuse, and think “Hey, that’s unfair to MEN!”
I knew it!!!! He really IS a superhero!!
@Fade
I think Catwoman is referring more to the idea that if you bring a child into this world, you have a responsibility to do your best to make sure they grow up to be a good person.
“Doesn’t care about the women Farrell advocates raping.”
Yes, even though I said on the other thread that I was 100% AGAINST Farrell’s date rape idea.
Reading, it’s what words are for. :) Or maybe you’re trying to convey the idea that feminists cannot read?
Breadmold: stop pretending you’re anything but an MRA. Why bring up all their points if you’re not?
French Affectation: If men have to affirm parental rights, then they have the “paper abortion” by default. The woman still has to actually, you know, give the kid up for adoption.
And that’s the difference. When a woman gives up her parental rights she has to see to it the child is placed with other people. She has to look after its welfare. The dude, he just walks away.
And he does, unless the state ends up with a direct interest she has to chase him down.If the state does get involved, it’s not to give money to the child, it’s to recoup money they spent because he didn’t. Once the child is no longer the recipient of state aid, they stop caring. So she still has to chase him down.
So his ability to “walk away” is pretty high. Her’s ain’t.
I must praise your present use of English. It’s better than Moldy, and he’s never claimed it isn’t his native language.
@breadmold
And yet, you said right here that “Actually I was primarily insulted at how Farrell made some offensive remarks about men.”
You read about date rape, and you were PRIMARILY insulted at his remarks about men?
Pecunium: send the rain here, we can always use it. Have a good day at work.
@breadmold
It’s amazing how MRAs seem to be on this campaign against the very concept that words mean things.
“@breadmold
Yeah, because the one thing feminists need is a bunch of dudes who read Warren Farrell advocating for date rape and child abuse, and think “Hey, that’s unfair to MEN!””
Yes… because it labels all men as barbaric sex beasts. Which, surprisingly, is feminism related!
But never mind that. I would say you’re blinded by your own utter stupidity, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here by saying that you’re probably just another MRA minion attempting to shame the entire feminist community.
Okay, so is your basic option there is no solution?
I mean, it seems like you are freaking out around unwanted kids: you can’t give them for adoption, you can’t let them be raised by their mom and pay child support, so you have to raise them yourself but if they turn out to be non-genetically related you’re going to sue the pants off the mom, genetic father, and then try to “claim the kid for yourself”
or was that moldy on the last one?
Anyway, my point is it seems like you’ve worked yourself into a corner where there is no winning option.
Um yeah, but it also labels women as property, which is kind of the bigger injustice, don’t you think?
“Are you trying to play into my fantasy world? Is that what you’re doing, making feminists look like they look in my fantasy world? Because in my brain, that’s what you’re doing! You feminists are just like in my fantasy world in my brain!”
We don’t agree with Breadmold, so we’re MRA minions, while he’s what? Boss feminist? So much laughage.
Really, if you think the PRIMARY problem with rape of women is that it creates negative stereotypes about men, you’re seriously messed up.
LOLLLLLLL. Bless you hellkell
Okay, at least that makes sense…
I just guess I don’t see how raising a kid as an obligation would help them turn out to be a good person. If my mom was like “I’m only raising you to prevent you from being a thugcriminalwhatever” that would… not go over well.
hellkell by posting that comment you’re playing right into moldy’s fantasy world. You’re driving all the fantasy people away from feminism, into the MRM. Look at them go in his brain.
“Breadmold: stop pretending you’re anything but an MRA. Why bring up all their points if you’re not?”
Interesting… so I’m an MRA because I think men are human beings who have the right to be angry when they realize that they have been a victim of paternity fraud.
Is that one of your tactics of increasing the MRA crowd? Get lost you MRA minion – feminism needs to be taken seriously and all you’re doing is making them look like braindead morons.
QFT. I’d much rather people think I’m an asshole than have people ACTUALLY ATTACK ME
Moldy… WTF? I mean that’s a new one, saying an MBZ regular is an MRA plant.
Who am I? Am I Secretly Eivind Berge? Perhaps I’m Angry Harry?
Ooh…I know, I’m John the Otter! I get people who are weak in their feminism, who have just discovered so upset they leave it, renouncing the inherent violence (and dropping their clubs and box-cutters) to join me, and the other pacifists on AVfM!.
Drat, I’d have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for you and those meddlsome kids!
“Rape is bad for women. But I’m primarily concerned with the effects that rape has on people, i.e. men.”
Nothing MRA about that sentiment.
@Cassandra
I don’t get this. I mean, know there are people who have random, anonymous hookups with people they won’t be able to find again, but I feel like plenty of women, having eliminated their spouse or partner as the child’s sperm donor, would be able to narrow down the likely candidates to one or two.
@Hrovitnir
I’m really surprised to see this here. I thought not using (mostly) women’s body parts as insults was feminism 101.
The issue is that you don’t extend the same consideration to women.
Moldy: Interesting… so I’m an MRA because I think men are human beings who have the right to be angry when they realize that they have been a victim of paternity fraud.
No, that makes you a douchenozzle, specifically a misogynistic douchenozzle.
The MRA thing is all the attendant crap you pulled out (like the 30 percent of all kids are cuckoo’s eggs, and the titanic, and the stupid, “women have all the power in BC, and the draft and…).
“Um yeah, but it also labels women as property, which is kind of the bigger injustice, don’t you think?”
Yes and the fact that men are sex beasts.
You somehow fail to grasp the basic feminist knowledge that patriarchy is oppressive to both men and women, and that both are connected. But hey, if you don’t have the mental capacity to understand feminism, then you’re all welcome to join in with the MRA’s :)
“Yes and”
Really eager to get back to what about teh menz, aren’t you moldy?
LOL. You funny.
Pecunium: It’s not the first time some troll has gotten so flustered by my potty mouth and utter refusal to entertain their horseshit that they call me an MRA. I think this is the third or fourth time.
moldy, if you’re going to include the part where we’re all secretly MRAs in literally every one of your maniacally self-satisfied ‘zingers’, it’d be faster for you to just make it into your sig.
Ooh… Mr, Women Are So Prone to Lying About Paternity That All Men Need to Be Able to Get Cheap Paternity Tests, Because They Can’t Keep Their Legs Closed is gonna school us on feminism; because the only people who would disagree with how men are disadvantaged in the modern world are members of the MRM.
Whut?
Um, obv patriarchy harms men too, but it is primarily designed to harm women. For example, saying that men are sex beasts is harmful, but not anywhere nearly as harmful as raping women.
Being primarily concerned with the effects on men is like saying that the primary problem of literacy tests in the South was that they prevented some white people from voting.
“No, that makes you a douchenozzle, specifically a misogynistic douchenozzle.”
Oh lovely use of language. Is that how feminists talk?
“The MRA thing is all the attendant crap you pulled out (like the 30 percent of all kids are cuckoo’s eggs, and the titanic, and the stupid, “women have all the power in BC, and the draft and…).”
WHAT? 30% of kids are not cuckoo’s eggs. And women did not have power in the draft to force men to die. What the hell is wrong with you? Why do you hate women and children so much?
@breadmold
Has it occurred to you that, if you weren’t in a hate movement, you wouldn’t have to lie about not being in a hate movement?
So much for pretending to discuss feminist philosophy “every day.”