Gullible Men’s Rights Redditors fooled by fake Jezebel article arguing that paternity fraud is “one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Some people are easily fooled.
This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
Posted on May 7, 2013, in a voice for men, antifeminism, doxing, dozens of upvotes, drama, evil women, gullibility, misogyny, MRA, reddit, straw feminists, TROOOLLLL!! and tagged antifeminism, men's rights, MRA, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 856 Comments.
Hi Catwoman! So not good to see you again!
“Dumb bitches?” That the best you got?
^^^Though I’m perfectly fine with people using it in an ironic sense, like when mocking MRAs or something, I should add.
I just don’t like it when it’s an affirmation of male privilege by trying to use it to get women to shut up.
My opinion on women using gendered slurs isn’t that great either, myself. I’ll tolerate reclamative uses, but barely.
And that is not a reclamative use by any stretch.
Somehow I think Catwoman already hates feminism.
@Fade
Yeah, but see, having to PAY for a kid is infinately worse than havin to CARRY or BIRTH the kid because then you have to pay for 18 years and taking money from honest hard-working beta men is just like rape and OH THE POOR MEN!
Howard: I adore you, but you saying you’ll “tolerate” women using words you don’t like reclamatively is not cool.
I would just like to point out how the fact that we have such a child centric society is greatly represented here.
Because of this I have to deal with annoying breeding bitches who tell me how i make a mistake of my life to not have any because this is what the greatness happiness fora woman should be.
And because of this a guy who was lied and spend time caring for a kid he never wanted to is shamed for being upset. Because how could he, the poor single parents here are offended that someone may not be happy having a kid. His feelings/life plans/savings don’t matter its only the kid that counts. Sure it doesn’t happen often, but if it does and can be proven he should be able to sue. fraud is fraud no matter how it is done
Oh i don’t hate feminism, i am a happy feminist without being a brain dead idiot like you
“PS, you’d better be a woman, because my opinions of men using “bitches” is “I hate it””
So it’s okay for women to use the word “bitch” but not okay for a man to use the word “bitch”.
Interesting. So much for gender equality.
“breeding bitches”
You are definitely not a feminist.
Also, you sound like you’re about to do a troll melt down. Anyone getting pell-ish vibes?
Really? Because you sound just like an MR jagoff.
This is one of the things that chaps my ass about being child-free, assholes like you.
Nope. He chose to stay and raise the child, therefore he wanted the child. Being upset that you raised and loved a child who had a different genetic makeup than you, and saying you regret loving that child on account of their geners, is messed up.
Breadmold would also whine about how it’s totally racist that he can’t call black people various racial slurs when they use those words too.
breadmold: I really don’t like anyone using the word “bitch,” but I like it a hundred times less coming from a dude.
Cue whining about the horrible oppression of how white people look racist when they say the n-word.
StarStorm: Breadmold probably wonders out loud why there’s no white History Month.
“When we disagree on things the trolls laugh at our hivemind falling apart, when we agree on things we’re a hive of bitches. I guess there’s no pleasing some people.”
You don’t let people disagree on small details, get hysterical against them together and cry misogyny. this is what makes you a hive.
and yes i am a woman. i don’t like term bitches too because i don’t like to use anything about animals as an insult. but my favorite swearword would not be appreciated here
When a man uses the word “bitch”, he is using centuries of patriarchal domination to assert that women are inferior. Bitch is quick and easy way to insult a woman. It comes with a bunch of negative, sexist implications.
Basically, he’s using his male privilege to shut her up.
Which does not mesh with gender equality.
I don’t like women using it in internalized misogyny circumstances, either. (See: catwoman saying “Breeding bitches” or “hive of bitches”, assuming zir name is saying that zie is a woman).
However, I wouldn’t expect you to understand male privilege, so I guess… well, this comment will be meaningless to you.
breadmold: Paternity fraud is uncommon, and I won’t deny it, but just because it’s uncommon doesn’t mean that we should ignore it.
Other than:
How about you show me those studies and media analyses for paternity fraud.
Ah… the old, Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
As I said, you want to make women = liars the baseline idea.
But there is this. In those court cases where a father asserted a doubt about the paternity of a child, only one in three was found to be actually not his child.
On the surface this looks damning (I mean one in three), but those were the cases where a man had sufficient grounds/evidence to get the court to require the test. There was a strong supposition of deception (or, to use your word, “fraud”). Even with that, 66 percent of the cases were not “fraudulent”.
Yes it happens, but does it happen commonly? Obviously not. But the fact that it does happen once in a while is enough to warrant this to be an important issue to discuss about.*
So it doesn’t happen often, but that means we need to talk about it? Why? If the dude really has doubts he can get a paternity test.
So the real issue seems to be that it needs to be easier. All your examples hinge on how easy/likely it is the woman lied.
That’s what wrong with your argument. It requires a regular assumption of duplicity on the part of women. That’s bullshit.
. But I won’t pretend, not even for one second, that men [don't] have issues to deal with as well.
Then, in principle, you agree with us.
In practice…
*could you link to some studies which show the prevalence; what with you wanting to make significant changes to society/underwrite cheap, easily available paternity tests
Catwoman: let me guess your favorite swear. It starts with “c” and rhymes with “runt,” right? YOU ARE SO EDGY.
…. like??
We get angry when people are misogynists. We mock misogyny. Is there some kind of problem here?
@Catwoman
Clearly, your use of literally the oldest slur in the English language shows how much of a progressive thinker you are.
Nnnf. Good point. Very not cool. Sorry about that.
Howard: No worries. That just sat funny.
@MarciLannister
Yes, because it is TOTALLY HARD to imagine you as being an utter misogynist.
Hint: you do actually hate women. Stop doing it. It’s awful.
“…. like??
We get angry when people are misogynists. We mock misogyny. Is there some kind of problem here?”
Beautiful, only you also get angry when people are not.
A guy not being happy about having spend money on someone who is not his kid is not a misogynist.
And as for breeders I hate them in all genders. Any bitch or dick who wants to tell me how i have to love or want kids should really suffer with his/her choice (and the great thing is i know they will)
That ship, she has sailed, FauxFrench.
“Somehow I think Catwoman already hates feminism.”
Actually, Catwoman is my very good friend here and we discuss about feminism issues every single day. Surprised? Probably not, because in that tiny fantasy world of yours, anyone who disagree with you is automatically an MRA or a troll, amirite? :)
You, on the other hand, consistently “prove” your points across by spewing ad hominim attacks, poorly thought out one-sided arguments, and toddler-like insults, as if you think everything should be a pissing contest to you.
Hmmm… maybe that’s your goal all along – to act as vile, biased, and uneducated as possible in order to shame the entire feminist community so that the public would see them all as bigoted, pottymouthed barbarians like you. In that case, you are the true misogynist, and I sincere hope you farewell, you misogynist pig!
Long live the feminism and down with braindead, misogynistic idiots like HellKell!
Dude. That’s a black mark against her, not evidence of anything good.
The law can compel because the man doesn’t have the conclusive evidence of pregnancy. So if a woman says,”he is the father” and he says, “no, I’m not”, the only way to know is to have the test.
I don’t know about France but in Calif. a husband can renounce presumptive paternity. But bonds of blood being immaterial… cute. That’s just a backdoor to a more extreme form of paper abortion. If you do that then the man has assert paternity, the mother is still on the hook for maternity.
Fucking hell, just stop being an asshole. You strike me as some new cf person who hasn’t gotten past the frothy stage.
Or not, and next the cavalcade of cf sexism will begin in earnest.
breadmold: it’s such a huge insult to you all to even mention once about how men have it harder in certain things
The feminist mask is slipping.
“Dude, the point is, your biological barriers are bullshit. Men can get vasectomies a fuck of a lot easier than I could get a tubal.”
Really? Not what I’ve noticed in Toronto.
Nope. What I see in Toronto (in some clinics) is that men can get vasectomies as easily as women get a tubal: i.e. they have to show they don’t want kids.
But even if we accept that it is harder, in Toronto, there is Montreal, or Ottawa, or London, or…
Local, not systemic.
Try again.
Yes, “advantaged” in the patriarchal definition.
As opposed to the matriarchy we live in now?
What? So you think the best solution to solve the double standard is for women to use M.O.’s to kill themselves? You fucking misogynist!
Who is twisting things, and putting words in people’s mouths now?
“Dude. That’s a black mark against her, not evidence of anything good.”
Its ok, we don’t like you guys in the comments either.
Too much lack on comprehension skills here.
Luckily I already told my friend not to worry, since its just a hive of 10 compared to the rest
This is projection, plain and simple. You have avoided answering just about every single question asked of you.
I’m not caught up, and probably won’t be for hours (my turn at the dentist), but two notes so far:
“And by the way the incidence of cuckolding as found by genetic testing is about 30%.
3 in 10.
If you had a 30% chance of most of your time, effort and love being poured into a life that was a LIE, to the advantage of the liar that inflicted it on you – you’d be clamouring for mandatory DNA testing too.”
And Joe continues to fail statistics as that’s 30% of cases where paternity was in question. So a proper interpretation of that would be: in cases where paternity is in question, 70% of the time the assumed paternity is the actual paternity.
No fucking clue what the rate is in all cases, musts cAses where people were already questioning it.
Cassandra — lobotomies weren’t really a thing until the 30s and, in some places, continued into the 70s (which, I think, means within your lifetime). Just a minor history note, you’re totally right about the implications of jailing people for “paternity fraud”.
And now I need to get ready to have my mouth poked at.
How much you wanna bet Catwoman and Breadmold are one and the same? Wouldn’t be the first time someone socked themselves a backup.
Why don’t you two assholes take it to email if you’re such good buds?
Okay, so I hate to quote myself, Catwoman, but I have already made my thoughts on this cleaer:
If he wanted kids, how did he waste his money? If he didn’t want kids, what was going on where he decided to stay around (I mean, was he guilted into it… what?)
The only thing i can think is if he didn’t want gets, left and had to pay child support, and then a paternity test proved that he wasn’t the dad
What the fuck am I reading? These trolls are a 1/10. I expect better on my coffee break!
“Fucking hell, just stop being an asshole. You strike me as some new cf person who hasn’t gotten past the frothy stage. ”
whats new cf? i have been cf since i was born. it started bugging others for some reason only now though.
i will be an asshole to the ones who are assholes to me, that’s how it goes.
@Catwoman
Of course we let people disagree. It’s just that we also like to call things as we see them.
Also, I find it rather telling that your slight aversion to that term is rooted in the fact that it vaguely refers to dogs, rather than the fact that it’s a misogynistic slur used against women. It’s used to deride women for being assertive and/or rude and men for being whiny and feminine.
If you believe in treating your own kind with respect, it makes no sense to be okay with using misogynistic words.
<blockquotmmm… maybe that’s your goal all along – to act as vile, biased, and uneducated as possible in order to shame the entire feminist community so that the public would see them all as bigoted, pottymouthed barbarians like you. In that case, you are the true misogynist, and I sincere hope you farewell, you misogynist pig!
Long live the feminism and down with braindead, misogynistic idiots like HellKell!
Your fixation on me is creepy. Did I say something to upset you?
catwoman: And as for breeders I hate them in all genders. Any bitch or dick who wants to tell me how i have to love or want kids
Way to project. I’m sorry you have your knickers in a twist because women who don’t have kids get told they should want them, or are, “incomplete” without them.
But you hate on anyone who has kids. You hate on anyone who says having kids is ok. You hate on people who don’t say not having kids is ok; in the right sort of hateful way you say it.
And you really hate being called on your shit. I think the real reason you don’t use your favorite word isn’t that it would offend us (since that’s why you’re here) but that it would end up in moderation, and the effect would be diminished.
Clever you ain’t. Smart you ain’t but you do have some native guile and smidgeon of cunning.
Yes, I’m on a blog that mocks misogyny to bring shame to my feminist overlords. However did YOU manage to see through my clever ruse?
HellKell:”StarStorm: Breadmold probably wonders out loud why there’s no white History Month.”
And here you are again proving to us what a braindead anencephalic idiot you are. Please continue to shame the entire feminist community; all the misogynists around the world will love you for it :) Where was race ever mentioned in any of my posts?
And you’re totally correct that there are situations where black people can force white people to be a father of a child that isn’t his (but not the other way around), you are correct that black people can have abortions but white people can’t, you are correct that white people were forced into the military but black people aren’t, and you are correct that white people commit suicide at a much higher rate than black people. I feel sorry for the people that raised you who didn’t love you enough to teach you how to think and communicate using logic and properly thought out language. Perhaps you’re just another bitter moron because you found out the nasty truth one day that your father wasn’t your real father and now you’re letting it out on us?
So many chew toys here today, and me on vacation. I’m waiting for a bus, and have to say this thread has been entertaining to read. Hi to the non-trolls!
Wow. Moldy went off the hinges pretty damn quickly, there.
Moldy–here’s the key problem. “Schroedinger’s Rapist” (your core comparison) and all of the other comparisons you’ve made since then, are based on FUTURE BEHAVIOR. That is, they deal with an unknown entity who may or may not be trustworthy. They deal with the right of women to decide for themselves when they should and should not trust a man sufficiently to be in a position with them where rape is possible.
Your complaint, however, deals with an accusation of prior misbehavior. This is a very different scenario. If you haven’t already decided that your spouse/S.O. is trustworthy enough to believe their claim to your paternity, what the hell were you doing getting into bed with them in the first place? (Note: I’m not saying it’s your fault if you sleep with someone who is deceiving you; I’m saying it’s your fault if you sleep with someone whom you still believe is willing to deceive you; it’s a subtle distinction, but a significant one. Schroedinger’s Rapist is the reason for a woman choosing to NOT make herself more vulnerable than she’s comfortable with, not a reason to blame her if she misjudges the man’s intent.)
Now, IF you are given reason, after the initial encounter, to believe that the child might not have been sired by you (I’m outright refusing the wording, “might not be yours”, because kids are people, not possessions), you do, in fact, have the right to insist on a test. How you would react to a confirmation of your suspicions is a personal matter that I really couldn’t give a damn about.*
Side-note on First Joe’s statistic: As noted, men can ask for a paternity test when they suspect they may not be the child’s biological father. In 30% of THOSE cases, the man has turned out to be justified–meaning that in 70% of the cases, he was wrong. Paternity tests, however, are only performed in about 10% of the total births in the U.S. So that study is totally inadequate for estimating the actual frequency of false paternity–it is very likely that in the general population, the incidence is much, much lower.
Finally, on the original suggestion of mandatory paternity testing, the immediate response that comes to mind is that in such a scenario, we would need to do a DNA test on ALL men, and maintain a file, so as to be able to instantly determine the paternity of a child at the time of birth. As noted, simply testing the claimed father leaves the problem that it only determines the negative outcome, rather than establishing the positive case.
*: Personally, my reaction (the TV in our lunch room used to air Maury Povich during my break, so I’ve unfortunately had the opportunity to consider this in-depth) would be to demand that the bio-daddy sign one of two documents–either a reasonable, income-based child-support agreement OR a quit-claim to their parental rights. But that’s just me.
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On cosmetic male infant circumcision (ie, pretty much all of it as performed in the U.S.):
It’s wrong, for the whole bodily-autonomy reason. However, it’s not the parallel to FGM that most MRA’s want it to be. I’ve thought it over for awhile, and determined an accurate comparison: Douching.
Both are procedures performed for no particular good reason on the population at large, which have a legitimate application in a narrow range of cases, but a non-zero chance of a negative outcome–meaning that general application of the procedure produces problems greater than it addresses, simply because of the numbers involved.
Most men who are circumcised experience neither benefit nor difficulty; most women who douche, likewise. But there are cases where both procedures cause harm, and for that reason, their practice in a broad, general way (rather than as a direct effort to address specific medical complaints) is bad policy.
(Privilege Check: For CMIC, the benefits are negligible in a society where condoms are readily available and hygiene isn’t an issue. There is a legitimate case to be made that CMIC is justified when done for reasons of STI and UTI control in impoverished nations where these are not givens.)
And good on you, hellkell, for ruining feminism for everyone. Who knew you were so powerful! :D
“If he wanted kids, how did he waste his money? If he didn’t want kids, what was going on where he decided to stay around (I mean, was he guilted into it… what?)
The only thing i can think is if he didn’t want gets, left and had to pay child support, and then a paternity test proved that he wasn’t the dad”
Sometimes people who don’t want kids decide to keep it if its theirs. mainly “moral reasons” i guess. i would never keep it. but it happens like with women who don’t want to abort even though they never wanted a kid. a guy would stay because he knows/thinks he produced that kid and doesn’t want to leave it alone.
and hellkitty, and kittehsurfer were attacking breadmold without even getting what he is saying just over something like this.
Hi cloudiah!
Now I really wonder who this jackass is, because the fixation is not cute.
Aw, Moldybread: I got under your skin. Dance harder!
In case no one has addressed this yet:
Uh…you do know that a woman’s fertility goes through a monthly cycle, right? And that even if the timing is optimal, conception is by no means certain? And that a majority of fertilized eggs fail to take?
You know these things, right?
I know this is somewhat peripheral to the discussion, but I hate to see such basic facts of human biology gotten so horribly wrong.
Catwoman: we get him just fine. We think he’s wrong. Learn to read.
“Your fixation on me is creepy. Did I say something to upset you?”
Creepy? Is there an MRA standing behind you asking you to “prove” that the nonsense that women pretend to act like victims just to get revenge at men exists by saying that halfassed statement you made?
Karalora: it’s just so much harder to shit on people (mostly women) if you have all the facts, you know?
hellkell: I notice moldy is ignoring me. Lessee… (I am becoming cynical). We just lost a troll, who was trying to ride you, and getting hammered by me,and now we have someone who tried to come in all “on the side of the angels” (did a “takedown” of Warrell’s U of T presentation), and then devolved into “paternity fraud”, while attempting to maintain some feminist cred.
And he knows you use four letter words,and it bothers him.
Smells like time to do some laundry to me.
Citation needed. Assfax not acceptable.
Pecunium: it does reek of dirty socks. Too bad there’s so many to choose from who hate me.
If a troll hates you, you’re livin’ right.
Isn’t that kind of unfair to the child? I mean, “I don’t want you but I’m gonna raise you because it’s ‘morally correct'”
Also, catwoman is definitelly the same person as moldy.
This line
Cinched it
“Way to project. I’m sorry you have your knickers in a twist because women who don’t have kids get told they should want them, or are, “incomplete” without them.
But you hate on anyone who has kids. You hate on anyone who says having kids is ok. You hate on people who don’t say not having kids is ok; in the right sort of hateful way you say it.”
not really. breeders are the ones who are promoting it. others are people with kids who made a choice and see it as such. the rest are breeders because for them it is uncomprehendable not to want a kid (for either gender)
” I think the real reason you don’t use your favorite word isn’t that it would offend us (since that’s why you’re here) but that it would end up in moderation, and the effect would be diminished.”
well, duh! how did you come up with that,sherlock?
Clever you ain’t. Smart you ain’t but you do have some native guile and smidgeon of cunning.
If Breadmold darned himself some backup, that makes him one of the saddest rolls EVER.
HA! “saddest rolls.” saddest trolls, but either works.
And HellKell, you got some fucking nerves labelling women as evil, sex-hungering monsters who couldn’t cross their legs. Of course paternity fraud is wrong to the extent where it should be punished. Because if it’s not punished, or barely punished, then you’re saying that women don’t have morals to be able to live up to the fact that lying to a man is wrong, and that you think it’s normal for her to sleep with a random guy because she likes it. And that is a highly misogynistic thing to say, Hellkell.
@hellkell, I think the handle ‘breadmold’ makes ‘saddest rolls’ rather appropriate.
“Catwoman: we get him just fine. We think he’s wrong. Learn to read.”
Only you don’t, I read this thread. And I also know your comprehension skills from before.After all apparently I am someone who is a rape appologist, lol!
“”Isn’t that kind of unfair to the child? I mean, “I don’t want you but I’m gonna raise you because it’s ‘morally correct’””
What should they do? give them up? this will be considered to be unfair to the child as well. everything is unfair to the poor children
“Also, catwoman is definitelly the same person as moldy.
This line
and hellkitty, and kittehsurfer were attacking breadmold without even getting what he is saying just over something like this.
Cinched i”
how so? we already said we were friends. i got him here because i like the blogs.
“If Breadmold darned himself some backup, that makes him one of the saddest rolls EVER.”
Ah yes, so feminism is all about watching trolling contests and shaming trolls, am I right? Please tell this to the MRA’s – they’ll be so happy that there’s one more misogynist in the group.
Um, let their mom raise them? If she doesn’t want to, you can both offer them up for adoption?
If you know you never want kids, you can get a vasectomy.
Normal? As in common? Perhaps not. I don’t any figures ATM.
But there’s certainly nothing morally wrong with it, and I think it’s very strange that you assume that it is.
“Um, let their mom raise them? If she doesn’t want to, you can both offer them up for adoption?
If you know you never want kids, you can get a vasectomy.”
oh so they should be those “assholes” who take the easy way out? lol
Some people who don’t want children don’t really hate children. if it is there they would not want to have someone else influence it but be the ones raising the kid they were responsible to produce.
Read the header of this here blog, doofus.
Where in the blue fuck did I say that?
And what’s wrong with a single woman sleeping with a random dude?
You just want to punish women at any opportunity. Guys like you are so transparent.
“how so? we already said we were friends. i got him here because i like the blogs.”
It’s a pity that hellkell and kittehsurfer are spreading so much stupid and bigotry that it makes the Manboobz blog very unattractive to the viewers, thus leading to more people to side with the MRA’s as opposed to David. If I’m a “troll”, then hellkell and kittehsurfer are MRA minions who’s intent is to make the blog as abhorrent to the viewers as possible.
Fuck you Hellkell, you MRA minion!