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Warren Farrell’s notorious comments on date rape: Not any more defensible in context than out of it

WArren Farrell ponders (possibly) the mysteries of consent.
Warren Farrell, possibly pondering the mysteries of consent.

NOTE: This is the second installment of The Myth of Warren Farrell, a continuing series examining Farrell’s The Myth of Male Power, the most influential book in the Men’s Rights canon. You can see the first post here.

Men’s Rights elder Warren Farrell has been accused of being a “rape apologist,” largely because of one now-notorious sentence he wrote in The Myth of Male Power:

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

This sentence is at least as puzzling as it is disturbing. Calling date rape “exciting” is pretty foul. But what on earth is “date fraud?”

To find out, let’s do what Farrell’s supporters insist we always do with his more troubling remarks: look at it in context to see if it is somehow more defensible – or, at the very least, to see if we can discern what exactly is is he even meant.

Looking at the sentence in context in  The Myth of Male Power, we find that it appears in the midst of a long discussion not only of date rape but also of a number of other dating-related behaviors that Farrell claims traumatize men in the same way date rape traumatizes women. So let’s back up a bit to let him spell out his basic premises — and define what “date fraud” is in the first place:

While the label “date rape” has helped women articulate the most dramatic aspect of dating from women’s perspective, men have no labels to help them articulate the most traumatic aspects of dating from their perspective. Now, of course, the most traumatic aspect is the possibility of being accused of date rape by a woman to whom he thought he was making love. If men did label the worst aspects of the traditional male role, though, they might label them “date robbery,” “date rejection,” “date responsibility,” “date fraud,” and “date lying.” (p.313, The Myth of Male Power, 1993 hardcover edition)

He proceeds from here to some Men’s Rights subreddit-style man-whinging:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom – the social custom of him taking money out of his pocket, giving it to her, and calling it a date. To a young man, the worst dates feel like being robbed and rejected. Boys risk death to avoid rejection (e.g., by joining the Army).(p. 314)

I think Farrell is confusing “the Army” with “the French Foreign Legion” and real life with Laurel and Hardy movies.

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape. (p. 314)

Yep. Paying for a woman’s dinner and having a pleasant conversation with her, only to have her refuse to have sex with you, is in Farrell’s mind just like being raped.

Having dealt with date robbery and rejection, Farrell  moves on to date fraud and lying:

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. And a woman who continues to be sexual even after she says “no” is committing date lying.

Do women still do this? Two feminists found the answer is yes. Nearly 40 percent of college women acknowledged they had said “no” to sex even “when they meant yes.” In my own work with over 150,000 men and women – about half of whom are single – the answer is also yes. Almost all single women acknowledge they have agreed to go back to a guy’s place “just to talk” but were nevertheless responsive to his first kiss. Almost all acknowledge they’ve recently said something like “That’s far enough for now,” even as her lips are still kissing and her tongue is still touching his. (P 314)

Uh, Dr. Farrell, I’m pretty sure that women are still allowed to say no to sex even if they are kissing a man. Either partner, of whatever gender, is allowed to stop sexual activity at whatever point they want to, for whatever reason they want to. That how consent works.

And now we come to Farrell’s famous quote:

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting. (pp. 314-315)

It still doesn’t make sense to me, but that combination of “date rape” and “exciting” makes me queasy.

Perhaps the rest of Farrell’s paragraph will help to elucidate what he means:

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. It is this “marry the rapist” theme that not only turned Sweet Savage Love into a best-seller but also into one of women’s most enduring romance novels. (p. 315) 

Oh, so because some women enjoy fictionalized rape fantasies, real non-fictional date rape is therefore “exciting?”

Farrell follows this up, confusingly, with two sentences that utterly contradict one another:

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” (tongues still touching) conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.”  He might just be trying to become her fantasy. (p. 315)

Three things. First: If the “conflict” is as Farrell sketched it out above — a woman saying “that’s far enough for now,” while kissing with “tongues still touching” — there is no conflict. Kissing, with tongues or without, does not give a man permission to put his penis in a woman. Reciprocal kissing gives you permission for … reciprocal kissing.

Second: when the alleged nonverbal “yeses” and the verbal “noes” conflict – or you think they do – here’s an idea: RESPECT THE VERBAL NOES. Err on the side of NOT-RAPE. If she says no, assume she means no, until she uses ACTUAL WORDS to say yes. Strange but true: woman can actually USE HUMAN LANGUAGE to express what they want. If a guy doesn’t respect a woman’s verbal “noes” because he thinks — or pretends to himself — that she’s saying “yes” with her body, how exactly can the law distinguish this from rape?

“Your honor, it’s true she told me no, but her elbows were saying “yes.””

Also: if your gal and you want to play out “nonconsensual” fantasies, that’s fine; lots of people do that — consensually. You just need to work out the basic rules and safewords in advance. There are entire subcultures of people devoted to this who will be happy to fill you in on the details. Really. They are very chatty.

Third: Do you all find it as creepy as I do that Farrell tends to sketch out these various rapey scenarios in the steamy prose of a second-rate romance novelist?

If you’re an MRA convinced I’m somehow misquoting Farrell here, here’s a screencap of most of the passages I just quoted which someone on the Men’s Rights subreddit helpfully posted some time ago. Or you could get hold of Farrell’s book and check for yourself.

Oh, but I’m not done yet. I’ve got even more context to provide.

Farrell tries his best to draw some sort of distinction between date rape and stranger-with-a-knife-rape:

We often hear, “Rape is rape, right?” No. A stranger forcing himself on a woman at knife point is different from a man and woman having sex while drunk and having regrets the morning. What is different? When a woman agrees to a date, she does not make a choice to be sexual, but she does make a choice to explore sexual possibilities. The woman makes no such choice with a stranger or an acquaintance. (p. 315)

So going on a date with someone and ostensibly making a “choice to explore sexual possibilities” means that it’s ok for people to force sex on you against your will later in the evening? Uh, Dr. Farrell, how exactly is this not rape? How does the fact that two people went to a movie beforehand turn coerced sex into not-real-rape?

You’ll have to ask Dr. Farrell that question, as his explanation makes no sense whatsoever to me.

A few pages down the road, Farrell warns about the dangers of “date rape” legislation in hyperbolic terms, arguing, bizarrely, that it will lead to more rape.

If the law tries to legislate our “yeses” and “noes” it will produce “the straitjacket generation” – a generation afraid to flirt, fearful of finding its love notes in a court suit. Date rape legislation will force suitors and courting to give way to courts and suing.

The empowerment of women lies not in the protection of females from date rape, but in resocializing both sexes to share date initiative taking and date paying so that both date rape and date fraud are minimized. We cannot end date rape by calling men “wimps” when they don’t initiate quickly enough, “rapists” when they do it too quickly, and “jerks” when they do it badly. If we increase the performance pressure only for men, we will reinforce men’s need to objectify women – which will lead to more rape. Men will be our rapists as long as men are our initiators.…

Laws on date rape create a climate of date hate. (p.340)

I don’t even know where to start with all that. That is just one giant steaming heap of nonsense. To put it as politely as I can.

Oh, in case you’re wondering, Farrell also thinks that a lot of  what’s called spousal rape is really “mercy sex,” because people who are married to one another often have sex when they don’t want to — and that’s the way it should be, since “all good relationships require ‘giving in,’ especially when our partner feels strongly.” Sex you don’t want is just part of what makes a happy marriage happy!

The Ms. survey can call it a rape; a relationship counselor will call it a relationship.

Spousal rape legislation is blackmail waiting to happen. (p. 338)

So, does putting Farrell’s “we called it exciting” quote in context transform it into something innocent and understandable and not-rapey?

I think it’s pretty clear that the answer is no.

But not everyone agrees with me on that. When someone on the Man’s Rights subreddit recently provided some of the context for Farrell’s quote, the assembled Men’s Righsters mostly thought what he was saying sounded fine to them, arguing that he brings up some very legitimate points, attacking feminists for quote mining, suggesting that “feminists don’t reality” and that the Feminist machine slanders anyone who gets in their way. Heck, one fellow even suggested that he had gotten the distinct impression that Feminists want to create more instances of “rape-by-misunderstanding” in order to punish men. Oh, and then one of them attacked my previous post on Farrell’s disturbing views on incest.

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grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

I think my question might have been buried by trolls (my first time posting here, so I understand I needed to get moderated before my post went through), so I’ll ask again: was this Warren guy seriously in reality ever an actual part of the actual feminist movement, as he seems to claim? Was he really a Board member of NOW once upon a time? These things are so hard to believe . . .

Aaliyah
7 years ago

About 20 minutes ago, I was just downstairs talking to my youngest sister about how I’m going to receive a lot of criticism at the reunion; I’ll have much longer hair by then, and they’re probably going to tell me that I look too much like a girl.

She responded with “I don’t care if you look like a girl – be confident!”

I wish she knew how happy I was to hear those words from her. Even though I know it’s just hair. I would have told her why I was happy, but I didn’t for obvious reasons. Also, that’s not the first time she’s said something like that. A while ago, after I was forced to get a haircut, she told me that she thinks I look better with long hair. I feel like I’m going to cry now.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

@freemage – yes

warell is so incapable of empathy it’s…what a privilege to categorically/selectively misunderstand trauma.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

co-opting trauma is a big mra mo. wah, what about teh menz?

such a simple point that i forget

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

does the manosphere get mad about advertising for mother’s day? do they think that women really benefit from that advertising campaign?

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Aaliyah — aww, your poor pretty kitty! Also, your sister is awesome.

Adam definitely gets a 10/10 would laugh hysterically again.

Grumpycatisagirl — excellent nym, and it doesn’t seem you’ve gotten the welcome package yet, so there it is!

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

Aww, Argenti, that is so nice. Thank you!

Kittehserf
7 years ago

I just read the latest Oglaf and it describes the MRM perfectly. (SFW)

princessbonbon
7 years ago

If I can ever make it through The Liberated Man, I will be looking closely for signs of nascent MRA shitlordism.

I am tempted to invent a drinking game for it.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

I am tempted to invent a drinking game for it.

AKA cirrhosis of the liver in one hit.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Whoops, I woke the kraken blockquote monster!

Brz
Brz
7 years ago

If the law tries to legislate our “yeses” and “noes” it will produce “the straitjacket generation” – a generation afraid to flirt, fearful of finding its love notes in a court suit. Date rape legislation will force suitors and courting to give way to courts and suing.

The legal aspect of the thing is secondary, what really matters is what are the consequences of telling of 4-years-old boy that he’s a rapist because he kissed a girl without having ensured priorly that she was enthusiastically consenting.

Will the boy thank his father for the rest of his life for having made him understand that treating women as people means that he have to be very careful to not rape innocently women by putting their lips to theirs? Will he be so perturbed at the idea of him, with his threatening lips, being such an inherent threat to women that he’ll refrain from having non-neutral contact with them and develop a kink of watching porn where women are slapped and humiliated and enjoy a silent symbolic vengeance against these women he’s too afraid to touch? Will he became a PUA who objectify women because they’re less scary that way and try to fuck as many women as possible, avoiding any kind of emotional bond and only using them as a mean to attain narcissistic validation in order to prove to himself that he’s not afraid of women? Will he transform himself into these kinds of male feminists who bully and harass other men and accuse them of being creepy rapey assholes who deserve to be rejected by women in order to avoid confronting their own fears of being monsters and rejected by women? Will this kind of education can be a factor that can make him really want to rape women and doing it concretely?

Some interesting questions which we’ll maybe be able to respond to in twenty years. I know it’s all very victim-blaming and privilege-denying but it would be interesting to analyze what the feminist method of teaching how to treat women as human beings and healthy masculinity produce on the minds of boys.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

So, I’m guessing that Brz didn’t take the kindergarden “don’t pull little Chantal’s pigtails, she doesn’t like it” conversation with his teacher very well.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

from brz’s citation

I know my son didn’t rape his preschool ex-”girlfriend.” And in all liklihood, he didn’t sexually assault her either.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Trust Brz to miss the point even when it’s on something like the Good Men Project.

The point being that the boy didn’t ask her if she wanted a kiss, and she didn’t like it, and didn’t want to be his “girlfriend” any more afterward. And that his father then explained to the kid that you don’t do things to people without asking. It isn’t difficult, Brz. A four-year-old was able to process it, but apparently you can’t.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

holy balls, good night, you are a pestilence

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Thank you for your supply of daily straw men, Brz. Now kindly fuck off.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

brz: if someone tells me not to take things without asking, i become a rapist. logic.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

oy, i have insomnia and i thought i’d found the golden ticket. also fibinachi’s comments make my day

Brz
Brz
7 years ago

In the article:

It wasn’t rape that we were really talking about per se. By definitions, it was probably sexual assault, but I strangely felt more comfortable using the R-word than the S-word with my son.

I think I’m fully able to weight the amount of symbolical violence and projection which are at play here. I won’t go as far as saying that it constitutes a case of child abuse but I seriously hope that one day these people will be exposed for all the bad they’d done on defenseless kids .

You don’t know if the boy was “able to process it”, neither do I.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

From the article:

“My son, all of four years old, is chewing his last strawberry mouthful as I finish my definition of rape and sexual assault, and my explanation of why forcing himself onto a girl—even his “girlfriend”, even just a kiss—is wrong. He gets it. His brain is far from fully-developed, but he nods as my sentence trails off and my hands fall back down to the table. “Okay, daddy. I won’t do it anymore,” he says. He slides off of his chair and gallops back to his cartoons.”

From Brzzzzzz:

I think I’m fully able to weight the amount of symbolical violence and projection which are at play here. I won’t go as far as saying that it constitutes a case of child abuse but I seriously hope that one day these people will be exposed for all the bad they’d done on defenseless kids .

You don’t know if the boy was “able to process it”, neither do I.”

Lying sack of fish-shit, refusing to consider that teaching a child not to take without asking, not to do things to other people without asking, is at all worthwhile. Oh noes, it’s child abuse to tell a little boy not to kiss a little girl without asking first!

But then we know from previous postings that Brzz thinks the ideal society is one in which he is able to abuse and insult people as he wishes, so no wonder he’s up in arms about a child being taught to have consideration for others.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
7 years ago

@Brz, you could teach your son to take whatever he likes, and to ignore the express wishes of other people. Then, in twenty years, you can see how *that* turns out – when you’re visiting him in gaol.

Shaenon
7 years ago

Some interesting questions which we’ll maybe be able to respond to in twenty years. I know it’s all very victim-blaming and privilege-denying but it would be interesting to analyze what the feminist method of teaching how to treat women as human beings and healthy masculinity produce on the minds of boys.

Why wait twenty years? As I said way upthread, the movement against date rape has been going on since the 1990s. Warren Farrell made his terrifying prediction of a dateless future back in 1993. The “straitjacket generation” that’s supposedly unable to flirt or send mash notes (first they came for the rapists, and I said nothing…then they came for the Hallmark cards…) is us.

So let’s analyze. Are most men today pick-up artists who hate women, are into violent porn, and “really want to rape women and do it concretely”? I don’t think so. Most men are pretty cool.

Bob Goblin
Bob Goblin
7 years ago

Brz,

Lemme make this simple for you. I’m one of those poor kids who was taught about rape and consent from an early age. I “got it” at age four, and age sixteen, and today. I’m a better man for it. It wasn’t even close to being abuse, and it wasn’t the least bit traumatic. It was just a simple lesson reinforced over many years.

Know what else? Not to brag or anything, but in this context I think it’s appropriate: I’ve got a pretty good social and dating life because of it, too.

Not being a rapey asshole; women like it. Give it a shot. I dare you.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
7 years ago

Mras seem to forget that discussion of sexual assault is a discussion about criminality. You can apply the same thinking to any crimes against other people. You need to respect other people’s property, wishes and bodily integrity in all spheres of life to function well and keep out of trouble. It’s very suss the way they keep trying to turn sex crimes into a grey area.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Forgot to say Hi and Welcome before, Bob Goblin – please accept your Official Manboobz Complimentary Welcome Package, courtesy of our very own cloudiah!

Brz
Brz
7 years ago

So, I’m guessing that Brz didn’t take the kindergarden “don’t pull little Chantal’s pigtails, she doesn’t like it” conversation with his teacher very well.

I’ve never done such things when I was kid, I did attack a lot of people for no reason sure, but only boys, it was almost always something about slapping a boy bigger than me and run while taunting him which was for me, for some reasons, a thing both very funny and heroic to do. I eventually stop being such a pain in the ass, after having been punished a couple of times, when a beautiful girl said to me that she found that I was very mean and that I realized that, finally, I preferred to be liked by beautiful girls than pissing off people for fun.

Thank God, no adult told me that I was a kind of criminal and employed terms to describe crimes adults do to name the stupid childish things I was doing. That’s a good thing because if they’d done this, they’d not have helped me to learn proper behavior, they’d have projected adult obsessions on a child and children aren’t ready to bear on their shoulders these kind of things and the people who do this are clearly fucking assholes who use children as punching balls for projecting their own problems.

N.B: you’re assholes. I mean it.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Their whole point is that rape shouldn’t be considered a crime unless it involves a scary man in a mask dragging a virgin nun into the bushes as she kicks and screams. They want every other form of rape or sexual assault to be defined as a social faux-pas, like picking your nose or chewing with your mouth open – impolite, perhaps, but not illegal, and certainly not something that women are allowed to get angry about.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I realized that, finally, I preferred to be liked by beautiful girls than pissing off people for fun.

Guess that life lesson didn’t really stick, then.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
7 years ago

Cassandra – yes. Out of all the shitty laws one might want to repeal, they want to get rid of the laws around the bodily integrity of women. Hooray for human rights.

Shaenon
7 years ago

If your child takes another child’s toy without asking, and you tell him not to do that, you’re committing child abuse. It’ll just make him seethe in rage that he’s not allowed to steal stuff, he’ll become obsessed with stealing, and when he grows up he’ll become a bank robber.

It’s also child abuse to make your child eat her vegetables. She’ll grow up hating vegetables and will eventually burn down a broccoli farm in revenge.

Don’t get me started on bath time.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

N.B: you’re assholes. I mean it.

Brz is typing while looking in the mirror again.

Bob Goblin
Bob Goblin
7 years ago

Thanks so much for the welcome package, kitteh (and, by proxy, cloudiah). 🙂

I had no idea hard chairs were misandry. It explains so much about why I can’t seem to sit still in women’s studies classes.

princessbonbon
7 years ago

Thank God, no adult told me that I was a kind of criminal and employed terms to describe crimes adults do to name the stupid childish things I was doing.

Actually it does sound like you were committing a crime.

Assault is a crime. Battery is a crime.

Slapping someone is a crime.

You are an asshole and an admitted violent offender. So yeah. I think you should go now.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
7 years ago

“When I was a kid, I used to make unprovoked attacks on kids, and it never did me any harm. I’m a fine citizen now. Just look at me, I’m calling complete strangers ‘assholes’ on the internet because they’re telling me consent is required for sex.”

Kittehserf
7 years ago

“I had no idea hard chairs were misandry. It explains so much about why I can’t seem to sit still in women’s studies classes.”

You’ve realised the terrible truth, Bob! 😀

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Who do you think the most disingenuous troll is, everyone?

I’m starting to think it’s Brz, but correct me if I’m wrong.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

There’s quite some competition for that title, isn’t there? Lensman’s totally disingenuous with his flip from poor-me to standard MRA garbage. Brz we know to be a lying liar, ditto Abnoy, AntZ, all the regulars. I’m not sure Owly or Meller count, because they were so far off in their own bizarro worlds and seemed to believe their own fantasies.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Wait, I didn’t need to ask. I’m quite sure it’s TS. Even though I haven’t seen him in ages.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

TS, is that ToySoldier? Yes, he’s a little piece of shit, that one. Did he get banned? I don’t think he’s commented here in the time I’ve been reading.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Yep, that’s him. He’s been banned according to David. I haven’t seen him here at all, actually, but he wins by default just because I’ve seen him on other feminist websites and on his own blog being the disingenuous dipshit he is. Recently, I saw him accuse Thomas Millar from Yes Means Yes of not talking about female-on-male rape victims “anywhere,” even though Millar briefly mentioned such victims in the article TS was commenting on. His dishonesty is off the charts.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Yeah, he’s all “I’m the victim always and forever!” and then talks shit about other victims, or anyone else at all, from what I’ve seen of his older stuff here (when I’m reading old threads). Mostly his walls of text make my eyes glaze over, but the responses are telling.

I really like Thomas Millar’s posts on Yes Means Yes, the few of ’em I’ve read.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Here’s the link to the mini-thread in question. Prepare to cringe.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

“When I was a child I was a bully who hit other kids for no reason and my parents did nothing, and then I grew up to be the troll I am today! Do you want your kids to turn out like me?”

This has been an ad from the Parents for Discipline Association of Everywhere.

Brz
Brz
7 years ago

Actually it does sound like you were committing a crime.

Assault is a crime. Battery is a crime.

Slapping someone is a crime.

You are an asshole and an admitted violent offender..

Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you. I’m not a rapey asshole, or a violent offender and you people have no fucking right on lecturing people on morality. When you accuse other people to do not “treat women as humans” you try to hide your compulsory need to treat certain groups of humanity like shit. When you accuse someone of being “victim-blaming” you try to hide that it’s you who’re always trying to find new victims to bully. When you accuse men of being abuse enablers or apologists you try to hide that it’s you who act as sectarians who manipulate young women by offering them support and compassion and menace of rejecting them of the group if they do not follow strictly the orthodox ideological lines (the people here can talk about that if they want, the people who find normal to say to a member of their own e-community that they’re drunk-posting and that they should go to bed when the person in question manifest inappropriate compassion for a guy whose only crime has been to try to pick up awkwardly women in the streets. Their way to punish dissent, the relations of powers between the den mothers and the candid ones, the way the seconds always try to have the approval of the firsts and how these one use this as a control tool, is one of the sickest thing I’ve seen on the Internet). It’s you who’re the assholes. You’ve created a moral system whose only purpose is to legitimate by advance all the sick manipulative, abusive shit you do. Tartuffes, that’s what you are, ill-intentioned hypocritical morals-lecturers who only use morals as a stick to hurt other people.
You can’t say whatever you want, that it’s OK to accuse a 4-years-old boy of being a rapist, that it’s OK to public-shame people in order to make a point because the patriarchy is so big and so powerful that you’re allowed to use shitty methods to pursue noble goals, when we make the sum of what you say, of what you do, someone with a functioning moral compass is able to see that there’s nothing behind your aggressive and abusive behavior, behind the shit you do while keeping using the inverse accusation all the time to dismiss any responsibility for the shit you do, there’s no goal at all, only a pretext, only a disguised aggressiveness.
Own your fucking shit and as you love to say, I wish you to step onto a lego.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
7 years ago

And that, “I stopped when a beautiful girl told me she didn’t like it. ” So he solves moral quandaries with his dick instead of his conscience. Actually, that could be the mrm mission statement.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

I think I did read that thread, it looks familiar. Was that CDC study the same one Tamen (who I see turns up there as well) blathering about here the other day?

The only thing I’ll give TS is that he doesn’t (iirc) do the same as most MRAs, which is to alternate “but what about women raping men? It happens all the time, it’s just as prevalent, ignoring it is misandry!” with “he was lucky to be chosen by a hot babe, I’d totally tap that, the ones who were really traumatised were the boys she didn’t choose” when a female teacher rapes male students.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Shorter Brz: women have this idea they can ignore me and don’t have to have sex with me! Waaaahhhh! Misandry!

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