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Sweet Jesus. I still will never understand how a person could think this sort of behavior is acceptable, let alone hilarious – but I guess maybe that’s my preschool education privilege talking.
That’s not even funny. Aids is no fucking joke. I have an uncle I never got to meet who died from aids.
/ugh. sorry for the rant.
He’s 1) possible rapist. 2) racist. 3) shitting all over people w/ aids and treating it like a joke.
Oh, man do I ever wish I did not click on that link. I think I agree with Dan Savage that 95% of those “crazy urban dictionary sex moves” are made up by 12 year old boys (or those who never matured beyond 12 years old) to giggle over. Some of them are so blatantly ridiculous that only those who have never actually had sex would see them as anything but evidence that the person in question is unclear on both the concept and the mechanics.
And that’s before the issue of the vile attitudes underlying the “stories” comes into play…
THIS FUCKING GUY – I barely even know how to react to this.
Ugh. Blue balls is just another way to guilt women into finishing an act with a jerk. Was in a lovely internet discussion some years back where guys said it isn’t rape cause blue balls hurt/a girl giving blue balls deserve rape. I have had them, not a big deal. I am good on the phrase “blue balls” for a month now.
This is just distressing. Just when I think it CAN’T possibly get any worse. Who the fuck thinks it’s amusing to terrorize somebody? Oh, that’s right, sadistic jerks like the ones commonly found in the Mens Rights Movement. Sorry, lady brain is slow today, as usual.
I just heard the rodeo joke watching the show Dexter, and on that show, the trick is to say another woman’s name, and then “hold on for dear life” as she tries to buck you off. Continuing to fuck someone once they are telling you to stop is flat out rape.
Ew, I should add, Dexter doesn’t portray the “joke,” they have their resident douche-bag character tell the joke to other cops at work.
On top of everything else, he seems surprised that his “prank” led to the woman ending the encounter instead of getting him off. The whole point of those pranks is to humiliate and/or terrify a woman, and then you’re surprised that a humiliated and/or terrified woman no longer wants to have sex with you?
How dare that horrible misandrist expect sex with him to be a mutually enjoyable and pleasant experience instead of expecting to be humiliated and terrorized!
I hope this guy never has sex again. He doesn’t deserve to.
Sorry, should’ve put the little sarcasm sign at the end of that last comment. Hope I didn’t offend anyone.
[TW: rape apologia]
I just read some of the Reddit comments…someone called him out for rape and someone else responded with “White knight!” And then there’s a dude who thinks that she wasn’t raped because he didn’t ejaculate.
Yep, still despise Reddit.
“someone called him out for rape and someone else responded with “White knight!””
I’ll rephrase that: someone replied to another commenter calling out the OP for rape with “White knight!”
I read all of that mess. Good God. Farther down they talk about switching partners mid-stroke, by surprise. I’m pretty sure that qualifies as rape, too. Some people’s children, I swear.
It’s important to note that “edginess”, or intentionally offensive humor, is considered a positive thing on Reddit and garners upvotes. It isn’t that Redditors approve of that behavior literally, it’s that that is an accepted style of humor over there. It’s also not nearly as common as the “ShitRedditSays” hate group would have you believe with their smears and anti-Reddit propaganda. It’s not really true- they cherrypick the worst quotes on Reddit and twist even these to the most uncharitable interpretation.
It’s not approved of, it’s just accepted! Totally different!
It is important to notice that horrible, sexist behavior is accepted among sexist douchnozzles. That’s why you shouldn’t complain.
It took me a long time to realize what made him racist: I had parsed the censored bit as “raw-dogging it like a ninja”
Yeah, I don’t know. But it makes the same amount of sense.
“It’s not approved of, it’s just accepted! Totally different!”
What I said was, it’s the style of humor that’s accepted, not the literal behavior being described. A 5-y.o. should be able to understand what I’m saying.
Unfortunately, Reddit has been associated with the phrase “white males”, the horrible oppressive monsters of society. So I don’t expect fair reasoned treatment of a site that has horrible privileged monsters making up most of the userbase.
You are aware that “they’re just being edgy/intentionally offensive” is exactly the opposite of a justification, right?
It’s just a [possibly] different motive for being an arsehole – you’re still being an arsehole. And if you find the idea of fucking someone who’s trying to escape funny, you find rape funny. I know, it’s all very complicated.
Shut up, PEMRA. Your dumb ass seriously needs to meet the banhammer for being tedious goddamn waste of space.
ShitRedditSays, a subreddit devoted to pointing out the horrible shit said by horrible people, is a hate group?!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I guess it’s because it hurts the feels of all the racists, homophobes, misogynists, transphobes, pedo-apologists, and every other class of slug.
Cry moar, shitlord.
Signed,
An SRSter :D
intentionally sexist/racist/whateverist humor is still bigoted. A five year old should understand that.
Me: If I call you a poophead, it should be funny because it’s funny in my house.
Five year old: But… *sniff* But I’m not a poophead!
It is that simple. Well, actually opressive forces come into play, but if I bring those up, you’ll just go on a privilege wank.
Hey, PEMmy, have you found any response yet to the whole ‘AVFM has a call to terrorism on their activism page’ thing? Found any ‘moderate’ MRAs other than them you’d like to hold up to scrutiny?
A hate group. You belong to it. Saying ‘oh, it’s about the edgy humor’ doesn’t make it any less true.
I think he should avoid being banned for… fifty minutes, because that’s how much free time I have until my sister gets home, and I’m too achey to be using it doing anything constructive.
@Gilligan: It’s the same with some Cracked articles about sex; they totally reveal that the authors, well, they may have had sex, but they’re just not experienced enough to write the articles they do write sometimes. Like, they make assertions that are blatantly false; stuff they’ve probably read somewhere but would have realized with actual experience were false. (“You can’t do X without risking serious injury” when X is something loads of people do all the time no problem, for instance.)
This is not to say that there’s anything wrong with having little sex or even living your entire life in celibacy, just that it’s sometimes a good idea to abstain from writing an article on a subject with which you have little or no experience.
I’ve said previously, the “SRS” hate group is, by definition and without dispute, technically a hate group. They explicitly encourage hostility and hatred against groups based on inherent traits; this is a definition of a hate group. They can justify their hate group however they want- as “for the greater good”, perhaps- but it’s still a hate group. That’s established.
Dude… nobody is oppressing straight white males, troll harder.
“Without dispute”
I’m disputing it.
Everybody’s disputing it.
“Without dispute” doesn’t mean what you think it does.
Dude… nobody is oppressing straight white males, troll harder.
I’m not trolling, I’m stating the facts. White men, due largely to the efforts of feminist hate groups, are the horrible oppressors of society, the hated.
And the “SRS” chocolate lovers group is, by definition and without dispute, technically a chocolate lovers group.
Want a surprise? The “SRS” monitoring group is, by definition and without dispute, technically a monitoring group.
None of which is to say that any of those groups actually exist.
“I’m disputing it.”
Then you’re disputing that the sky is blue. You can, sure, but you’re factually wrong. Again- you can try to justify the “SRS” hate group’s existence, but by definition it is a hate group, because they encourage hostility against certain groups of people, and this makes up a core part of their ideology. It’s not arguable.
Aw, man stop making me laugh. My ribs already hurt today, you don’t need to make it worse.
White men are framed as oppressors because they benefit from white privilege and male privilege whether they want to or not, and they can use that to either try and oppress people or make a positive change.
Or in your case, whine a lot on the internet.
…nobody uses that as a definition of a hate group. There’s a couple other little pieces you’re intentionally obfuscating, you abstruse nit.
You keep using that term, “hate group”. I do not think it means what you think it means.
“…nobody uses that as a definition of a hate group.”
Actually, it’s the generally accepted definition, in somewhat different words, basically everywhere. Google is your friend.
“SRS” is, factually, a hate group, by any definition.
None of that matters! You said it was without dispute–that means people agree! You’re lying!
That’s not like saying what you just said, which is still wrong.
This is also completely wrong.
okay, the dictionary does not tell you everything. If you look up carrots on the dictionary, you do not know everything about carrots. Looking up the very basic definition of “hate group” does not an argument make.
First of all, the man was defending himself when he was accused of rape. He called someone a “f*ggot” when that person called him a rapist. Second, even if he were joking, rape jokes are not acceptable in any way, shape, or form.
This doesn’t sound like a joke to me, though. It’s easy for me to imagine a rapist asshole bragging about his rape. Especially when he’s basically saying “I’m not a rapist but after I told her I had AIDS and she struggled I penetrated her anyway.”
Yo, so SRS says white dudes are racist, so they’re a hate group.
AVFM has calls for terrorism on its activist page.
HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP.
You heard PEMRA. This is without dispute, not arguable.
Wait, so feminists (the “hate group” ones, natch) made white men oppress other people in our society? Come again?
Granted, I haven’t done much research on the topic, but I don’t think douchiness is an inherent trait.
Ah, now that I CAN dispute. If you tell me that the “SRS” hate group is a hate group, I’ll accept that. It probably doesn’t exist, but it’s clearly a hate group.
However, that doesn’t speak for SRS being a hate group. I can find at least one definition of hate group it doesn’t meet.
SRS promotes awareness of the awful things some people on Reddit say. I’ll be willing to go so far as to allow that, being aware of the awful things some people on Reddit say will cause animosity towards those people. However, these people are not targeted for their race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin. These people brought to attention because they say awful things.
Uggh, I feel sick…I need to get outside and see all the sensible men out there to restore my faith.
By the way, that egg pic is hilarious.
Even if that’s the definition of a hate group, I’m pretty certain that “writing racist/sexist things on Reddit” isn’t an inherent trait. It’s an action. Hating someone for their inherent traits is different from hating someone for their actions.
It’s all the purple dildos, isn’t it? :*(
What “inherent traits” are they targeting? Unless you consider racism and misogyny to be inherent traits…
And don’t say they’re targeting men, because they clearly are not targeting all men.
Oh, Jesus, not the “SRS is a hate group” bullshit again.
Exactly. Race, disability, sexual orientation and ethnicity are inherent traits. One might argue with religion and say being of a certain religion is a matter of performing certain actions, but when people are targeted for belonging to a religion it’s usually not about what they, personally, have DONE.
Saying awful things = not an inherent trait, but actions one performs.
Dvarg, you wizard you. You beat me to it. :(
…and so did a bunch of other people. ;)
OK, that is just embarrassing, dude. Even accepting that white men *can* be oppressed in our current political climate (bear with me here), a group that highlights the horrible things that men and women say on public forums is not actually vilifying anyone for innate traits. Unless you think being an arsehole on the internet is an innate trait?
If MRAs (including, sadly, women and not-white people) happen to be the people who say the most vile shit the most often, that’s not anyone else’s fault.
I have a little trouble with that definition because religion (or lack thereof in the case of atheist) isn’t exactly an inherent trait.
The problem is not that anyone’s saying white men can’t be oppressed (just for clarification, I don’t think that anyone is saying this, I think pemra thinks we’re saying it). It’s that they aren’t oppressed on the basis of being white or the basis of being men. You can be poor and no one’s gonna say “well, you’re a white man so don’t whine” unless you say “I’m poor because all these PoCs and women are taking my job!” Same for any other axis of oppression a white man could face. As long as you don’t try to put it on your whiteness or your maleness, I think most people would not mind.
Oh no, I have been ninjad so bad.
Re: religion, that is harder to define. But really what we’re trying to differentiate is between who you are and what you do – being Christian is fine, being a militant Christian that supports terrorism is not so fine.
Gender and sexuality can be malleable, and so can religion. It’s still an intrinsic part of the person you are. I hope I’m not being erasing here, does this make sense to anyone?
I think the problem is that often anti-religious attitudes are expressed in terms of ethnic groups. See anti semitism, anti muslim attitudes now. Most of them were tied into racism, too.
Oh and definitely this:
And sure, individual men can be discriminated against for being men, or white people for being white, even. But there sure as shit is no systemic oppression.
@Hrovintr
Makes sense to me. And sometimes religion is really important to people’s cultures/ backgrounds, even if they don’t agree with the religion’s policies. Example: I really like Greek Orthodox churches because that’s where I grew up and spent lots of times around my relatives and it ties into “greekness” for me, but I can’t stand half the preachers because they’re so sexist or homophobic.
Fuck off Pemra, and stop trying to take over threads with your boring lies.
You think stories about rape are funny, or edgy. You’re defending the whole idea that rape is something to laugh about. That says a great deal about you.
There’s two things. 1, the sociological ‘how can it be racism if they have no power to make your life worse,’ and 2. most definitions about hate groups agree it’s more than saying ‘this is bad behavior’ and stuff like calls to violence or stuff that will have real impact. Real animosity. Not just ‘this is terrible stuff you just wrote and you should feel bad.’
And the thing is, he continues to talk about ‘reasonable MRAs’ even after being shown that AVFM is still hosting a call to terrorism on their activism page.
So tell me again who the hate group is?
Howard, duh, the hate group is US!
@Chie
Thanks for this. When I initially read the post I was having a hard time seeing where the “possible rapist” was coming from, and I knew I must have been missing something obvious because everyone else got it. It didn’t even occur to me to connect “the Rodeo” with “clutch her hips as tight as you can”.
That should be ‘and is INSTEAD made up of stuff like calls to violence.’
Last time we did this somebody posted a great list of the terrible things SRS has done and said that proves they hate white dudes. Most of it was hilarious. Some of it was a little touching. I felt decidedly pro-SRS after seeing it.
Ah, yes. The racism of much anti-religious sentiment is such a pain because of the (pathetic) plausible deniability.
And culture is super interesting to me. Like Catholic people who draw comfort from all the ritual. As someone raised agnostic, I find all of it bemusing or sometimes creepy (went to a couple of Catholic funerals – they remind me of zombies, no one gives you the words, they all just mutter along from memory). :P
It’s an interesting point actually because I sometimes wonder that I like seeing all the women of various races around university wearing headscarves – though the one woman wearing an actual burka weirded me out a bit, she was still talking animatedly to her (male) friend. And I think it’s because in the face of western attack, immigrants feeling comfortable wearing something that’s important to them while still being outspoken people in a place of learning makes me happy.
I’m telling my sister (marie) what’s going on because i’m in too much pain to do school and her computer’s not working so we’re just manboobzing together.
Channels Marie (she says hi):
Marie: Technically, mercury is a liquid but you still wouldn’t want to drink it.
…
That wouldn’t make any sense, though.
Okay, back to me (Fade) now.
I actually have nothing to say.
Hahaha. I dunno, I like it, Marie/Fade. :D
Obviously, we are assimilating into each other like all women do, so that we can join the hivemind one day and find
peacemisandry.I think xenophobia is probably a speck more accurate than racism, although both play a part; for instance, there used to be a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment when most Catholics were immigrants, even though a lot of them were white, and it was of the “they’re going to come and change our way of life and their allegiance is to the Vatican not to America” sort.