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Women created the patriarchy in order to enslave men, and other news from Upside-down-and-backwards land

Women: Constanly plotting to enslave men with their tears.
Women: Constantly plotting to enslave men with their phony tears.

Today, some Deep Thoughts about men, women, children, empathy, mini-vans, and patriarchy, from the inimitable Men’s Rights activist and proud misogynist Rob Fedders, whom I found being quoted with approval and even some relish by MGTOWer elder MarkyMark on his little blog today.

Mr. Fedders starts off with a classic misogynist trope: women are like children.

Very few women are capable of empathizing with men. There are about as many women who have the ability to empathize with men as there are children capable of empathizing with adults.

This is what most men fail to grasp, and why they go round and round in circles trying to “explain things” to women.

Women just don’t care. We are here for their purposes, not ours. …

Women will never “care” about men in the same way that men “care” about the wellbeing of women. …

We are designed like this by nature … .

Mr. Fedders offers proof of this evolutionary design by considering a dilemma that preoccupied our ancient ancestors on the African savannah. Namely: who gets the minivan?

You can even see how this works with the way that men and women buy family vehicles. The wife and kids are always put in the best vehicle/mini-van/SUV as possible to “protect them” etc. etc. while the husband drives the run-down piece of crap to work… when the time comes that the husband gets a second vehicle you can usually hear the wife chirping in, “We had to get Joe a new truck… because the last one wasn’t safe and we don’t know what we would do if something happened to him.

That’s the way it has always been and the way it will likely always be.

Apparently, men hunted the mammoth in crappy old pickup trucks.

Fedders returns to his main theme:

Men are a tool to women… a “business.” And to successfully work that business, they must always appear in the needy/attention category. Babies who don’t cry don’t get milk… and women who don’t get attention don’t get taken care of by men. It is an innate feature of humans.

Oh, and in case you were wondering, women have ruled the world from time immemorial.

Women do control society’s values and mores… they lead with what they think is fashionable, and men follow, because by nature we are designed to give women what they want.

And, oh, women invented patriarchy as well.

Women “are” society. What women’s wants are is what society’s want’s are. This is where women are lying when they talk about the dreaded “patriarchy.” The patriarchy only existed because women explicitly approved of it, and endorsed it morally – causing the men to follow suit.

Turns out that patriarchy is basically just a way to make all men slaves to their women:

This is what is happening today too. Most of the anti-feminist battle is not going to be between men and women… it is going to be between women who want a “traditional man” and those who want a collective “government husband.” In both cases, the women are advocating for men to take care of women – with little concern for the man’s wants and needs – one wants a personal slave to serve her & her offspring, while the other wants a slave class to serve women and their offspring in general.

It’s the way human beings are designed. Who cares whether women rule, or if they rule the rulers? The result is the same.

I knew women were sneaky, but I had no idea they were this sneaky.

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Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Run an errand and y’all get hilarious! Which is, of course, why you’re awesome.

“>I think “serial monogamy” means “one partner at a time” as opposed to “one partner ever.” So technically not redundant, but in an age when the former is more common than the latter, it seems redundant.”

The former fundy in me finds the idea of one partner, ever, or you’re terrible, too off putting to remember. So yeah, that probably is the strict definition of monogamy, making “serial monogamy” not really redundant, just seemingly so. /pedantry 🙂

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

RE: serial monogamy. I’ve usually seen it used to mean going from one relationship, to the next, to the next within short periods of time (both between each relationship, and usually a short period of time for the relationship as well)

I’ve also heard it in the context of serious relationships… as in people who divorce and remarry. Kind of the same way people are less likely to stay in the same job their whole lives like they used to.

Also, I don’t get how this dude thinks serial dating is considered bad. It’s parallel dating when it’s without the knowledge of all participants that gets the bad rap. As long as you stop seeing one person before you date the next, how could anyone have a problem with that? Oh, I know, super-christians… I was a bit thrown by his reference to super-christianity as if it were the standard for everyone. I guess if he does live in a judgey christian patriachy bubble then it would give you a skewed idea of public opinion. But still, tv… if tv has taught us anything, it’s that serial dating (aka dating) is actually pretty normal.

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Argenti, I agree. Serial monogamy means something quite different to me from just monogamy. It specifies there’s more than one partner, and (again, to me) implies there might be several and it might be expected. Monogamy to me strongly implies the expectation, or perhaps just the hope, that there’s only one, ever.

becausescience
becausescience
7 years ago

@The Kittehs: I think mra’s/mgtow’s get off on people paying attention to them. They write their crappy, lengthy, overly theatrical “manifestos” in the hopes of getting e-high fives from other online dudebros, and when that’s not enough, they seek out other blogs, articles & comment sections to spew their propaganda at people. This allows them to feel “important”.

I mean, there’s nothing wrong with wanting attention, but they’ve chosen an incredibly asshatted way to go about getting it.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

*actually pretty normal should be “the current cultural standard”

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Ninjaed by Kim! 😀

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I think you’ve summed them up, becausescience. Whiny little boys going LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! and doing the internet version of lying screaming and kicking their heels against the wall.

ArchaeoHolmes
ArchaeoHolmes
7 years ago

There must be a correlation between the length of a post and how logically flawed that post is. Have noticed it with ranters on all subjects.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

The “why I must have sex with you” pad doesn’t look particularly bad except for the “or else” option. Their pads seem a bit questionable in general…too much an attempt to “teach the controversy” almost. I have “things you must do to make me happy” and there are pairs like:

Be real
Be somebody else
Be yourself, but better

Stop smoking
Start smoking

Plus a whole shit ton that amount to MRA talking points about how women want to be worshiped and fed grapes (totally seriously). I bought the thing as a teenager to post “knock first, or else” on my door…where it remains.

…and my brother is going on about why is a dead woman in an alley morally superior to one explaining how “he” got those fatal wounds.
1) stranger rape is rare
1b) you gonna shoot your lover?
2) rape victims all too often aren’t believed
2b) and definitely won’t be when it’s believe the victim versus murder charges

But hey, you keep up with that NRA talking point.

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

These guys are broken records:

“Men are slaves to women. Women judge men. Men must prove their worth to women. Men must offer women value or they don’t get to be in the lives of women. Women are only with men that offer value.”

Um, in the movies maybe — especially black and white ones…or films with dragons in them.
The Beauty Myth shit women put up with every day? Jesus, do you live under a rock?
And do MRA guys generally say things like, “Hey man, you should go out with her — she’s kinda plain, but she’s got a great personality!”
Actually, now that I think about it, this sentence, “Women are only with men that offer value.” Well, if by “value” he means money, he’s wrong…though I always thought that people who say things like, “Chicks only like rich guys” are partially admitting that no woman would have anything to gain by being with them — unless he had some money. Also, most people aren’t rich, but condom sales are still really high, so….

“The essence of western and christian morality is limiting the sexual options of men to force them into circumstances that favor women.”

Really? In what way? Actually, marriage was invented by men. Free sex, free housekeeping, progeny….once again, you will find more on this in books.

“Serial Dating, (notice the whole use of “serial” to confer the evil of “serial killers” onto the phrase) bad. Game and PUA bad. Especially the last two, because they “cheat” those women’s selection mechanisms and possibly allow those beta men to trick them. Very bad. Very very very bad. Women have a right to alpha sex, not creepy beta sex.”

Uh, wow, a lot of arglebargle here. The only people who think every man in the world is either an Alpha or Beta are MRAs. Though, I not going to lie, “…creepy beta sex” does sound really awful. Do you expect women to sleep with people who strike them as creepy? Why? Don’t you think women want to sleep with people who they find attractive too — wait, what? Oh right, you’re one of those guys who thinks women aren’t suppose to like sex too much anyway…the clitoris was just an accident, and uh, hunter-gatherer days, blah-blah, women only wanted a nice secure cave to live in and, bloopity-bloop.

“Friendzone. Good as long as those men stay in it, learn their place, and never never never actually insist on reciprocation to the friendship. White Knights. Good. As long as they stay in their place.”

Oh Jesus, ever have someone sniffing around you, faking nice because they wanted to get into your pants? It’s icky. What? You’d love it if a woman tried to fuck you by faking nice? Well, that’s only because in you fantasy version of this scenario, Megan Fox is the one trying to “Nice Guy” ™ you. Now picture it with a woman who is, oh, I dunno, overweight, or actually despises men, or doesn’t care about what you want for yourself.
Or god forbid, a woman who isn’t model-like…*shudder*
Also, these are modern times, sparky, no more knights…but yes, you will find them in the movies, like with dragons or whatever, like I mentioned above.

“Even the whole “Where are the good men at?” means “Where are all those men with sexual market value two points higher than mine that earn in the top 10% of incomes even though I only earn in 65% level and have middling looks and attractiveness.”

What the fuck are you talking about?

Then you go to quote something called a “TradeCon preacher,” (is that a real gig?), and how he expects women to use sex to make men better. Well, that’s obviously a fucked-up thing to think. But you seem to want to believe it, ’cause you seem kind of mad that you don’t have your own Hot Shrew (you know, like in sitcoms), buying your groceries and giving you sex…and it’s soooooo unfair! Then letting us know it’s because you’re not rich, and only the rich have sex, by god, by god…
Read over your comments…it’s your personality. Why would a woman want to be with a man who thinks she’s a member of a no good, manipulative gender? Also, drop the Biotruths and hunter-gatherer horsehit.

becausescience
becausescience
7 years ago

I just realized, when i practice cereal monogamy, I always try to trade up to a more alpha cereal, leaving nice, good, hardworking, honest, devastated beta cereals in my wake, so I guess that would actually be cereal hypergamy.

I’m sorry, Raisin Bran, you’re very nice, but you just don’t excite me the way Cocoa Puffs does!

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Is oatmeal a beta cereal? I mean, it doesn’t just get milk poured on it, it gets BOILED first.

clairedammit
clairedammit
7 years ago

Granola is the most alpha cereal of all. Because you don’t need anything on it. You just eat it. STRAIGHT OUT OF YOUR HAND. Alpha, QED.

Marie
7 years ago

@argenti aertheri

Plus a whole shit ton that amount to MRA talking points about how women want to be worshiped and fed grapes (totally seriously).

huh. That’s strange. Could they at least feed us bonbons? I don’t like many grapes.

…and my brother is going on about why is a dead woman in an alley morally superior to one explaining how “he” got those fatal wounds

…I…I am so confused by this… like what is he saying?

@kittehs

Is oatmeal a beta cereal? I mean, it doesn’t just get milk poured on it, it gets BOILED first.

I hope not. Oatmeal is one of my favorite cereals. It may not look like much but it has a great taste personality XD

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Kitteh — but nobody looks at you weird if you don’t put milk in it (quite the opposite), and it’s far more customizable so it must be beta cereal. Alpha cereal would never have to change to make you like it! Alpha ceral is a one size fits all vaginas approach…just and milk and stir!

Marie
7 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri

I never put milk in my cereal. What does this mean, in alpha/beta/women analogy?

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Argenti – yeah, that’s what I meant, oatmeal is totally beta, doing all that just to be edible.

clairedammit – WE ATE THE GRANOLA FOR BREAKFAST BEFORE WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH FOR YOU.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“huh. That’s strange. Could they at least feed us bonbons? I don’t like many grapes.”

I think it’s a standard fare reference to debauchery. That explaination is long and involves Greco-roman mythology, but simple version is grapes make wine.

See, none of it is directly gendered, but things like “take your hands off me” are obviously tags women say a whole lot more than men. It’s accidentally playing close to MRA talking points (shit like this is, in part, where I think they get their ideas from — find one thing that implies women want to be worshipped, assume all women demand worshipping)

“…I…I am so confused by this… like what is he saying?”

That was very nearly a direct quote. The “argument” has been coming up a lot lately (like, on major feminist sites, I’d be surprised if you hadn’t seen it) — that women should be armed to prevent rape. And liberals go “um no” means we’d rather see a dead rape victim than a dead rapist, because we just hate guns that much!

When no, it’s that it wouldn’t help, and is all kinds of victim blaming, and most rapists aren’t strangers but rather people the victim knows and probably wouldn’t just shoot. And, oh yeah, rape victims aren’t often believed now, if you’ve got an unharmed not-a-victim-cuz-gun holding a literal smoking gun, over a dead would-be-rapist, you really think the not-a-victim is going to be praised for this act of self-defense?

Pull the other one.

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

I used to think I liked Raisin Bran quite a bit more than Cocoa Puffs, but that can’t be right, can it? Because there’s no way becausescience and I could have different tastes when it comes to cereal, our cereal preferences are in our genes!

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Marie — neither do I, so it’s extra alpha? (Irrelevant but I’m lactose intolerant, I find white milk actually repulsive…when I think it smells tolerable, it’s gone off…it’s weird)

Quackers
Quackers
7 years ago

Manboob, you are so good to protect us from those bad bad men with their bad bad facts”.

Yeah, funny that according to the manosphere the “facts” always come down to women being inferior shit. Yet anyone or anything that remotely even criticizes men or masculinity, whether factual or not is shut down by MRAs screeching misandry.

Sorry but anyone that claims the facts all coincidentally put down a certain group, be it a sex, gender, race, sexuality or religion is automatically suspect in my books, because it suggests that there’s an agenda at work. And if you think everyone outside the manosphere can’t see your very obvious and biased agenda against women then you’re blind.

Also please do stick to porn. If every internet misogynist spent all their time watching porn and leaving women alone that would make me a very happy woman!

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

Speaking of lactose intolerant, I really should have checked to make sure I had Lactaid before eating the 4 (delicious) pieces of pizza.

I put almond milk on my cereal 😀

Quackers
Quackers
7 years ago

Damn I forgot how to blockquote!! it’s been too long 😛

Marie
7 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri

I think it’s a standard fare reference to debauchery. That explaination is long and involves Greco-roman mythology, but simple version is grapes make wine.

*blushes* I got the reference, I just was being…snarky.

that women should be armed to prevent rape. And liberals go “um no” means we’d rather see a dead rape victim than a dead rapist, because we just hate guns that much!

Ah 🙁 I just hadn’t heard it before, so I didn’t understand.

@viscaria

I used to think I liked Raisin Bran quite a bit more than Cocoa Puffs, but that can’t be right, can it? Because there’s no way becausescience and I could have different tastes when it comes to cereal, our cereal preferences are in our genes!

Well, someone is wrong here 😉 We need to find the most alpha-est cereal.

Marie
7 years ago

@quackers

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Shhhh, Quackers! You’ll alert the Blockquote Monster saying that, and then you’ll find your entire comments will be in blockquotes. 😉

Quackers
Quackers
7 years ago

Thanks Marie!! 🙂

Kitteh-

Eeep! I take it back! I take it back! xD

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“Speaking of lactose intolerant, I really should have checked to make sure I had Lactaid before eating the 4 (delicious) pieces of pizza.”

Seem things are worth suffering for! …I had three slices earlier myself…

Marie — meep, my mistake! And I’ll find a better break down of that bullshit rape “prevention” argument in a moment.

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Marie
7 years ago

@Kittehs

Clearly I am not very Blockquote Monster savvy 😉

@Quackers

Welcome 🙂

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

@Minter:

Fuck a bunch of MRAs and their whiny bullshit. Learn Game, learn to stick and move, and the stuff MRAs cry about, divorce court injustices, child custody injustices, false domestic violence, are irrelevant because you are not in those situations.

Ah. A person of the “Negative things are only negative when they happen to me, and the goal must be to strategize around the pitfall for myself, not remove it for everyone.” Camp.
I’m done. I’ve got nothing. I could write arguments and slightly mocking script all day, but end all be all, there’d be no point. We operate in separate cognitive universes, Mr. Minter, we expound different models for interacting with reality, the very basic building blocks that make up the way we think are apparently engaged in some animosity. If you’re willing to concede that misery is only bad when it happens to you, and not because misery, in and of itself is a negative thing, then we have little to talk about. All there’s lift is the mocking and the misunderstanding.

But that’s your issue, anyway. You want to be paternalistic and protective, and keep your men happy and safe. I’m a fan of the father-to-his-men, kind-old-sergeant approach to some things myself. I agree, even, to a degree – it’d be a better world if everyone was safer. But instead of dealing with the things that make the world worse, you just blame it all on women. Mark Prescott is a man. He literally says that the only reason men do better, think better, work hard, acquire things, is to get laid. That women should use their bodies to shape men into the things they want, as if, on their own, no person defined as male would accomplish anything. The phrasing you quoted is “She has not only a right, but a duty, to use access to sex to entice, and yes, even coerce the man into being a better man than he would if it were not for her.”
As I said. Mark Prescott is a man. And who do you then blame for this absurdity? The person saying it, the twisted ideas exposed there, the notions nicely slumped under the banner of glory be to God to add some nice joy to it all?
Nah, it’s the women’s fault. Men. Telling other men. That the only reason they do anything. Is to get laid. Is women’s fault. Seriously, mate? Get a grip.

Now, we could argue the role of biochemical in relation to human behavior for a long time. I’m just going to point out here that the concept of a cortisol gun is, while evocative, at odds with reality. Your evolutionary understanding is somewhat flawed. Your crusade raging against the wrong target. And all it really does it make me sad. Because you clearly want to help people live a better life. It’d almost be… charming, in its absurd misguided factually void nega-space if it was not because the things you advocate are utterly, entirely and completely without base in reality and based on some sort of quagmire of misery. And that just makes it all the worse.
@Thread:
<blockquoteThat’s the way it has always been and the way it will likely always be.
Verily!
He spoketh on the first of Days!
As the walls of the city of Uruk were raised high:
“Behold, these my walls and this my city
Greatest City in all the world
For within lies the comfortable SUV with Hybrid motors,
FOREVER granted by the GODS above to the Women of Mankind
To see them safe from the ravages of mammoth, maiming, misery and long distance travel
While we, upon our brows, take this burden: The driving of the lesser vehicle
The Pick-Up Truck, That Most Foul Mechanical Automobile
To cruise forever
At the backroads of reality
And down those dry, dirty dust roads that weave within our cobwebbed minds!”

Marie
7 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri

Marie — meep, my mistake! And I’ll find a better break down of that bullshit rape “prevention” argument in a moment.

Is fine 😀 I’m all…tone weird today, I feel. Not very clear.

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

IMPORTANT UPDATE: I found the Lactaid. *Beams some to Argenti.*

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Marie — probably the best source for the latest stream of this stupidity is what Zerlina Maxwell said. There’s videos and transcript here — http://feministing.com/2013/03/07/telling-women-to-get-a-gun-is-not-rape-prevention/ (transcript is in the comments)

And the internet doesn’t convey snark well, not your fault we need a sarcasm tag!

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Viscaria — congrats and thanks!

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Fibinachi wins the thread!

(Though not without taking a hit from the Blockquote Monster along the way.)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

There’s something extra creepy about the way he says “offspring” and not “children”. It’s like saying “females” rather than “women”. Also interesting that they’re specifically her offspring (conceived via parthenogenesis, I assume).

Marie
7 years ago

@cassandrasays

Wow somehow I missed that ^_^ Need to pay more attention…I guess. I mean, I actually read his posts, didn’t skim, and still missed it 😉

Quackers
Quackers
7 years ago

He literally says that the only reason men do better, think better, work hard, acquire things, is to get laid. That women should use their bodies to shape men into the things they want, as if, on their own, no person defined as male would accomplish anything. The phrasing you quoted is “She has not only a right, but a duty, to use access to sex to entice, and yes, even coerce the man into being a better man than he would if it were not for her.”

and its so damn offensive to both sexes. I really don’t understand how these guys can think this way, it’s like they have no concept of people as individuals who make choices to live their lives in ways that make them feel happy and productive. To them, relationships between men and women is a way for the one to manipulate the other into getting shit from them. Now I’m no optimist, I know there are people like this out there, but I really don’t think they define relationships between men and women.

My brother is an engineer and I guarantee you he did not go in the field to acquire women. He went in it because he’s smart and has always liked to tinker with things….its funny that people like my brother is who MRAs claim to represent.

And of course this course this will be completely discounted by MRAs because its coming from a lying liar woman, but I have not once used sex to get anything from men. I don’t view men as tools to get shit I want done, because funnily enough the way I grew up to understand feminism is that I can get shit I want myself, and in the times I do need someone else to help, be they man or woman, I reimburse them when they need something done. No, not with sex, but with favors, time, skills, etc. This is how healthy, non-asshole people operate. MRAs ought to try it sometime.

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“Also interesting that they’re specifically her offspring (conceived via parthenogenesis, I assume).”

I’d hope so. The thought of that guy’s genetic input … urgh, who’d want to inflict that on a kid? That’s on top of the “who’d actually want to fuck a creep like that” part.

Quackers – a mighty THIS to your last paragraph. And even without feminism, women have always had to do that, because the men go out to work/women stay at home stuff is just 19th century middle-class notions being splashed around as if they applied to all history. They didn’t – they didn’t even apply to the whole of that one class in that one century. There’s also the little matter of not all women having a man around to support them, even if that had been the norm forever and ever. It’s simply not reality.

Karalora
Karalora
7 years ago

A recurring theme in MRA rants about marriage, divorce, and children is an apparent conviction that if a man doesn’t have 100% control over his wife and children and the terms of the marriage, then he has no input at all and is completely at the mercy of the fickle, coldblooded harpy.

ithiliana
ithiliana
7 years ago

*waves at cloudiah*

I’ve been reading all along, but more conferences than usual (four this spring), plus my sf student con (they did not do what they said they’d do, and it opens next week and OMG), and well stuff has made it hard to comment.

*huggles everybody*

Haz missed talking to you all!

pecunium
7 years ago

Serial dating is dating one person at a time. It’s what most people have done for years (esp. since the rise of the automobile).

pecunium
7 years ago

Minter: Friendzone. Good as long as those men stay in it, learn their place, and never never never actually insist on reciprocation to the friendship.

Reciprocity… a balanced relationship.

So if he’s her friend, and she’s his friend, all is good.

What’s the reciprocity you think is being denied… oh! He has boner thoughts and she doesn’t want to fuck him. That’s called life. I have boner toughts about lots of women who don’t want to fuck me. There are women who have boner thoughts about me, and I don’t want to fuck them.

Am I being cruel to them? If they are friendly to me do I have to move them from the, “friend zone” to the, “fuck zone” to avoid being a worthless human being they have every right to hate?

What did I say above that was actually untrue?

Everything.

Pretty much most of what he says is common belief and knowledge among men

That is one of those things. I’ve been polling my male friends about the beliefs of the MRM. When they got done looking at me as if I were making shit up, and realised you were trying to present this as true, they laughed. The sample isn’t legitimately random, but at this point it’s about 150 people. 100 percent of them think you are full of shit.

So it may be a common belief among the small group (in relative terms) of men in, “The ‘Sphere”, but it’s far from representative. If it were representative, then your idea about how oppressed men are, would be differently absurd. If so many men agreed with you, then (looking at the men in office) VAWA would never pass.

Spousal support laws wouldn’t be the evil you think them to be. (from back in the day. I am old enough to remember when alimony was standard; because wmoen weren’t really able to work. Then again, that was the same time that a married woman wasn’t allowed to open a credit card without her husband’s signature and permission)

“Paper Abortions” would be legal (the way that “walking away” was, way back in the day). Spousal rape would still be legal. Date rape would never be a thing.

In short, that you have any, “movement” at all is because most men don’t agree with you.

ithiliana
ithiliana
7 years ago

*waves at hellkell*
It’s better this month than the last two months—especially all the weird cold and icky weather (this is TEXAS, dangit, I expect).
Two new doggies settling in.
Am behind with grading, but what else is new!
How is it where you are?

ithiliana
ithiliana
7 years ago

The most ALPHA cereal is STEEL cut oats.

First: STEEL!

Cereal of Steel.

Second: CUT.

This oatmeal is CUT, woot.

Our recipe from EATING WELL WITH DIABETES: two cups steel cut oats, 2/3 cup dried fruit (we vary it), 8 cups water. Cook in slow cooker for eight hours on low.

Creamy, full-bodied, sensuous, and KICKING ASS for health.

(Cannot remember if I told you all that I got diagnoses of diabetes TII last fall, so we’ve been working on living a healthier lifestyle–glycemic index meal planning, portion control, exercises–mostly walking new doggies!–and it’s working well, but wow, takes a lot of time and energy.)

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It’s the OATS OF STEEL, superhero among cereals!

Sorry to hear you’ve got diabetes, Ithiliana, but glad the diet control seems to be working. Mate of mine controls hers the same way, and yeah, bloody lot of work.

How’re the doggies? All happy and settled in and growing up? 🙂

katz
7 years ago

A recurring theme in MRA rants about marriage, divorce, and children is an apparent conviction that if a man doesn’t have 100% control over his wife and children and the terms of the marriage, then he has no input at all and is completely at the mercy of the fickle, coldblooded harpy.

This is another example of how some people can’t fathom a system where nobody is oppressing anyone else; the only change they can imagine is the same thing, but flipped around.

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And of course the oppression is only oppression if it happens to them. Everything else is the Nat’ral Order.

pecunium
7 years ago

14th-century Europe: Arranged marriages for all. If you lived under a lord your lord had the right to pick your partner. You could bribe you way out and take your chances in another town.

This is news to me. First, I’d say that, “Europe” is pretty broad. Second what I know from studying England is that villeins and serfs had to get permission/pay a fee to marry. One of the requirements of the Church was that marriage had to be entered into freely; a woman could (legally) refuse at the altar.

In Ireland the right to permit/refuse marriage wasn’t a thing (until the English/ Scots-Irish arrived and imposed their rules in the Pale of Settlement).

In Russia, in the 14th Century most of the county was still under the Rule of the various Khans of the Tatar arms of the Mongols. That wasn’t completely reversed until 1758 when Russia overthrew the last of the local Khans (in the Crimea).

pecunium
7 years ago

Steel cut oats of decadence.

1 cup oats.
1/2 cup maple syrup.
2 cups cream
2 cups water.

Dash of salt (to taste, about 1 1/2 teaspoon is my norm).

Put all into pot, over a moderate flame. Stir until done (about forty minutes).