Most misogynists, it would seem, are loath to admit that they’re misogynists. “How can you say I hate women?” they’ll ask. “After all, I love my sister. She’s not like the rest of those whores.” Or, “I just hate Western Women.” Or whatever fine distinction they like to make to pretend that their hatred of pretty much every woman they ever come across, or imagine in their overheated little brains, is something other than misogyny.
Then there are those who not only admit their misogyny but who are downright proud of it, thinking it’s a sign of their own personal superiority. Today, a pretty good example of Proud Misogyny, taken from the reactionary Christian blog Samson’s Jawbone.
Our intrepid woman-hater starts off by contrasting his brand of misogyny to the peculiar kind of woman-appreciation advocated by the PUA gasbag now known as Heartiste (but still known as Roissy when this post was written):
Roissy is fond of saying that he’s not a “misogynist”; no, learning the unvarnished truth about female psychology has given him a *higher* appreciation for women. Not so for me. Sociosexual philosophy has disillusioned me beyond all reckoning. Peering deep into the psyche of woman has rendered me grievously scornful in feeling and mercilessly unscrupulous in behaviour towards these unholy, ungodly beings. I venture to say that… I hate them. Yes, I hate them! And how could I not?
Did I mention that he has literary pretensions as well? Like a lot of reactionaries, Mr. Jawbone has adopted a melodramatic, vaguely archaic prose style that he evidently feels is the height of literary sophistication, but which sounds a lot more like the monologuing of some cartoon villain.
Oh, the vile criteria by which women judge menfolk! O, abominable, loathsome beings!
Is anyone else reminded of Newman from Seinfeld?
But Mr. Jawbone is just getting started:
A creature so damnably constituted as to admire a man for his “social dominance” – by which is meant his ability to waltz through an absurd series of meaningless, contrived riddles – rather than his work ethic, his self-sacrifice, his affability, his charity, his honesty, his justice – in short, his righteousness and integrity; such a creature deserves to be used and abused like a cheap street harlot – or better yet, a vermin-ridden ass – and discarded appropriately. Nothing more; she merits nothing better.
Here’s an actual vermin-ridden ass, having a nice scratch in the dirt:
Oh, but Mr. Jawbone isn’t done yet:
Words like “honour”, “duty”, “kindness”… those things that define goodness and rightness… all meaningless, meaningless to this wretched, wicked half of the human race. And do women who profess belief in something “higher”; women who should know better, afford any solace? No. Instead they show themselves as fraudulent, fickle hellcats who think good men are “weak”. So alas, I can no longer view the distaff horde with anything besides revulsion and contempt. They perjure themselves by their own words; they are beasts, deserving nothing but callous treatment and damnation; and I can wish nothing upon them but furious hatred, ignominy and a miserable passing.
What a cheery fellow!
I take no joy in penning the above – but I feel clean and spotless as the lamb. What else is to be said for a lot that believes black to be white, up to be down, and good men to be worthless? Poor Ashley Wilkes, and all good men.
Hate to break it to you, dude, but you’re not actually a good man. You’re a pompous dickbag. Oh, sorry, you’re a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave!
(Thanks to Shakespeare for that last insult, and to Quackers for pointing me to Mr. Jawbone’s post.)
Wouldn’t a conversation between Socky and Tom Martin be hilarious?
Fade:
I regard marriage as worthless.
It’s sinful because it’s bad to have contact with material things or engage in behaviour that is connected with the telos of the material world.
CassandraSays:
This is a hostile place, where you have absolutely no respect for for other peoples faith.
So, um, Pompous Raymond, what do you have against sex so much? I mean, can you explain it, or is it just a DO NOT WANT thing? Cuz you can hate it while other people like it. Different opinions are allowed to exist, you know.
Pompous RayRay: we’re here to mock misogyny, not have yet another discussion about religion. We don’t care about your faith, we care about your shitty views towards women.
Is this that Samuel freak?
Um, did you see the tag line? [points up] This is a place of mockery.
Do not be surprised when we mock you.
… So… sex is evil according to you?
You know, I’m fine with you following whatever moral code you want. But don’t try to enforce that on everyone else.
And no, taxes are not enforcing it on you. If you only paid taxes for things you wanted, I’m betting a lot of people in the US would opt out (ie, people who don’t want to pay taxes to finance the military if their anti-war, not wanting any to finance police if they don’t like the police…) You can’t just pick and choose.
How does a person live their daily life, NOT having contact with material things? Is he naked, hovering 6 inches above the ground, surrounded by a force field to keep other objects away? Is he an air plant?!!??!
I’m starting to wonder what his thoughts on carpooling are.
Marie:
It is difficult to explain in a few sentences, there are profound reasons, the main point has something to do with the material world.
hellkell:
I am n o t a misogynist. I have no shitty views towards women. Also, why do you think misogyny exists? Doesn’t have religion something to do with that? The Roman Catholic Church discriminates women to the present day o p e n l y and without shame.
I have some chicken enchiladas on my counter that I will come in material contact with in about two hours. SINNER SINNER CHICKEN DINNER!
(Morning star farms chick’n, pepper jack cheese, cannellini beans and an adaptation of this recipe.)
Misogyny is older than religion, dipshit.
claire, I’ll be right down!
Track record. (I know I’m not hellkell…sorry hellkell, I just couldn’t resist)
Also, didn’t we just have a religion and misogyny discussion on another thread? Go to that one, ray ray, it doesn’t need to dominate all our threads.
Also, Raymond, why do you hate the material world then?
Also, also, if you don’t want to seem like a misogynist, you wouldn’t have started with ‘sinful womenz needing birth control for their evil sinful ways!!!!!!eleven’
Just pointing that out.
OM NOM NOM SO JELLY!!~!!!!! *drools*
Hi Marie! I’m a long-time daily lurker who is usually a few days behind on threads, and I (unluckily?) caught Perfectus Sir Uptightmond.
Perfectus Sir Uptightmond: You can have your faith over there in the corner, it’s already got judgy stains anyways.
It makes a ton, hellkell, you’re welcome to some. We can make frozen margaritas, too.
So why are you commenting on this blog? You must be using a computer or cellphone, and those have to do with the material world.
Except masterbation! It’s part of the material world, but that’s ok…for some reason.
@Briznecko
Almost makes one* wonder if he’s been making this up as he goes along… 😉
*me, at least XD
Why are people mocking me on this mockery blog? It’s all so unfair.
(Time to meltdown – less than an hour, I’m guessing.)
Luckily cars and roads have no contact with the material world.
Random nerdy comment! But the picture is from the 1956 film The Violent Years which features a teenage gang of women who rob gas stations, rape men on the roadside, and trash as school.
HUZZAH! It worked!
What if they’re hover cars?
Fade: Then we don’t need roads!
@ katz
The perfect solution to all those tax dollars we waste supplying sinful drivers with their roads!
Yeah! And what if I have hover sex?
Then it’s okay! Unless you’re a woman! Then your an awful evil (… insert random manosphere curses cuz I don’t feel like typing them)!
“Dude… get your butt out of the 1800s.”
Nawh, they were all about sex being for baby making. Lie back ad think of England because we need more good British babies! (Fuck, the US was still perfectly cool with raping slaves and selling the resulting babies)
Every strain of conservatism I can think of is okay with sex for procreation, plenty are ONLY okay with it if it’s within marriage and an attempt at baby making.
This whole sex is sinful ESPECIALLY is baby making is a new one by me.
Also, give me one second on the whole birth control for medical uses thing, I was reading something yesterday and should be able to find it again.
@Argenti Aertheri
Wait, if sex is sinful especially for baby making, wouldn’t birth control help then? I guess I don’t follow raymond ^_^
If you want to be a socialist, thats cool. Just be a socialist on your own dime.
Some dummy above mentioned how their birth control is free. Interesting. The people who invented it, manufactured it, delivered it, stocked it on the shelf, and handed it over to you did it out of the kindness of their hearts, huh? It cost something, and somebody paid for it, just not you. There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.
I’m sure STD’s, pregnancy, and all that fun stuff is expensive to deal with, but I didn’t volunteer to take care of other peoples problems for them. You wanna have sex, then by all means do so, just don’t expect me to subsidize it. I’m not going to throw in an argument from religion here. You wanna do it, go ahead. Have fun. I’m just not paying for your contraception, or, in the absence of that, your crotch-fruit.
“But but but, we voted….”
Fuck your voting. Right, and wrong doesn’t come from a bandwagon argument. Taking someones money from them without directly benefiting them isn’t moral.
@Howard
I know you’re not here now, but other peoples work isn’t a right of yours. It’d be nice for you to address that.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled derp.
Link found — http://whatprivilege.com/men-make-shit-up-expect-to-be-believed/
Any pill that’ll help PCOS will also prevent pregnancy. Deal with it.
Marie — ah but you see, sex in general is sinful, whether for pleasure or baby making.
Never seen the later called more sinful though.
Also, is this Mr. 90% of our trolls?
Marie:
Could you give me a link please?
Because it is my faith that this world is the creation of the hybris of the demiurge. Like in the Matrix, human souls are trapped in the material world, mislead, ensnared, kept away from the truth and from salvation. If you saw Matrix I – III and interpret it the right way, you know everything you need to know about this world and you have taken the Red Pill (the architect was actually a metaphor for the demiurge). Of course you cannot live without having contact with the material world, but there are things that are more “material” than others, mainly stuff that has to do with procreation or basic animal urges, because this is the telos of the material world. If you eat meat, eggs, dairy products or engage in cis PIV these are the worst kinds of self-debasements, aside from doing harm to other creatures, of course.
These humans are sinful because of their behaviour not because of their gender (probably there are more pure women than men!).
Also, please don’t mock my title “Perfectus”, you don’t need to use it, but don’t mock it.
Are you mocking Socky’s beliefs? That’s misandry, that is.
Actually I think “misandry” needs a verb form. I vote for “misander” (as in he misanders, she misanders) and “misandering”, as in “you’re misandering again just like Andrea Dworkin!”.
Dude, you can avoid eating all of the eggs you want, and never have sex in your life. We don’t care. But don’t try to make everyone follow your philosophy, and don’t try to say other people having sex is a sin, because it is none of your business.
You are not paying people for having sex. You are not being taxed so people can have sex. No government prostitutes its own people. A section of taxes are used on contraceptives. What people use these contraceptives for is their own business. Sometimes, it is used in sexual intercourse. Sometimes, they are necessarily hormonal balancing tools.
This is important, so I’m going to write it out: In the view of government sponsoring and the debate on national healthcare, becoming pregnant is considered a condition one can avoid by taking certain steps. There is no value judgement attached to this. But as we, as people, have ways of avoiding this condition if we so choose, then we are, when we operate a national health service, obliged to provide the means for which someone can make that choice.
No more. No less.
If you did not, as a service, provide the means for which to avoid a condition you could otherwise avoid, you would be guilty of gross negligence, malfeasance and manipulation.
Whether or whether not other people have sex that could lead to procreation, and whether or whether a part of that is subsidized by the government in some way relates not at all to your personal sensation of right or wrong. People are not sinful because they have sex. And you are not a saint for raging against “Slutty sluts who want to sleep around on other people’s tax dole”.
Avoidable condition. National Health Service. Simple.
Avaunt, troll.
What about oreos? Where do they fall on the sin scale?
^Cloudiah. They don’t have animal products. I know cuz my dad can eat them atm. 😉
Although, with all due respect, your decision to believe something is your right and if you choose to do, I have no quibbles. Please do not take my words to mean you are any sort of raving lunatic, or wrong in your beliefs – you are not. But on the matter of taxation and contraceptives, you are factually sidestepping. That is all.
@Raymond
Okay. I think it starts here. http://manboobz.com/2013/04/02/reno-calls-a-domestic-violence-hotline-the-mra-reality-distortion-field-in-action/comment-page-11/#comment-281188
O_o Well I’m glad you put that last one on there. But just because you believe a thing doesn’t mean everyone must. You can go about practicing your religion while other people enjoy their lives. I know you don’t want to pay for birth control, (I’d assume viagra, but you haven’t answered on that, which is awful double standard-y) but there are things in taxes lots of people don’t want to pay for, like I’d rather not pay taxes that fund the military, but nobody can pick and choose.
Does it have some meaning, or is it just a ‘don’t mock my name thing’?
@cassandrasays
I second this XD
@cloudiah
…On the side of deliciousness?
Nobody tell him The Matrix was fictional.
Dude, believe whatever you like, you just don’t get to go imposing your believes on others.
And why the fuck do we keep having to tell this to adults? Aso, anyone think he’d have included the cis note about PiV sex if I hadn’t? Think he even got the point?
More importantly, how is sticking a cis penis in a cis vagina any more sinful than sticking a trans* penis in a trans* vagina, or any variation thereupon? If the deciding factor really is procreation, PiV is okay if one/both partner(s) is/are infertile? But birth control, that thing that prevents cis PiV among fertile partners from resulting in procreation, that shouldn’t be covered under national healthcare because the act it prevents (that is, procreation) is sinful?
Any thought on fish procreation? Pet fish, not food fish, though I am curious your views in both. Also, snail procreation? Plants? See, I ask because all of these are currently occurring in my 10 gallon fish tank, and I’m curious where the line gets drawn on what’s “sinful”?
In fact I actually have seen it before:
It’s from Borges’ Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius. Of course that’s a) postmodernism and b) fiction.
Taking your life philosophy from a movie by the makers of Speed Racer is forgivable.
Acknowledging that the Matrix sequels exist is not.
Perfectus is Latin, but I suspect he’s referring to the martyr, not the Latin word.
Latin — http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/perfectus
Saint — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfectus
I will give him this, it’s spelt right. Pecunium and I both erred on our nyms. Of course, Perfectus as in the martyr, spelled correctly? Impressive.
Katz — well, fiction is a viable source of, um, religion, by this one, so maybe that is the source?
Can we call it mythos then? I feel like I’m insulting religions with actual followers. I mean, FSM has more followers than “sex for procreation is extra bad”.
This is MRsteelAL, isn’t it? Only he could mash up libertarianism, an ancient philosophy that almost no one has heard of, veganism, and The Matrix and make a whole new troll persona out of it.
Time til “I don’t know who this ‘MRsteelAL’ is, but I assure you I am not he”? 5:45 blog time?
Argenti, it’ll happen whenever Cassandra calls it – she’s always right about these things. But for grins, I’ll say 6:05 blog time. (Blog time is central US time, for you new people playing along.)