Easter on The Spearhead: “I hope that our own errant women can follow Mary Magdalene’s example.”
Happy Easter, or what remains of it, for those who celebrate it! (And happy Deep Discounts on Peeps Day to all who celebrate that tomorrow.)
There’s an interesting, er, theological discussion about the meaning of Easter over on The Spearhead. In a short post, WF Price argues that the uppity ladies of today could learn a thing or two from Mary Magdalene:
One of my favorite subtexts of the Easter story is the devotion of Mary Magdalene, who kept a vigil at her Lord’s tomb, and thereby became the first witness to the Resurrection.
I don’t see it as a specifically Christian message, but rather a universal one: the woman, regardless of her background or past, can attain holiness through selfless love and devotion. I hope some day that our own errant women can follow Mary Magdalene’s example.
A nonbeliever with the clever handle fakeemail isn’t convinced:
Once a whore always a whore.
I have no interest for a whore who “saw the light” aka a 30 year old cock-carouseler who is out of options. I want the young woman who was smart enough to never be a whore in the first place.
Evidently MRAs never take a holiday from being dicks.
Posted on March 31, 2013, in all about the menz, alpha asshole cock carousel, antifeminism, debate, disgusting women, misogyny, MRA, the eternal solipsism of the MRA mind, the spearhead, whores and tagged easter, men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 476 Comments.
I KNEW someone would do the bog-standard conflating Mary Magdalene with the woman taken in adultery and then pretend that she was a prostitute. Any excuse to use the word whore.
WTF Price misses the point (well, many points) as usual. Devotion to someone is perfectly possible … but they have to be worth being devoted to, and it needs to go both ways. He and his crew fail colossally at being worthy of devotion. (I don’t mean people have to be flawless to inspire devotion, btw, but these guys are so far from flawless they’re hardly even on the same scale.)
Whee, first comment!
De-lurking here. Why do I get the feeling that when WF Price says “selfless love and devotion,” he means servitude and a complete disregard for one’s own safety and well being? And what’s with the religious imagery? Have the mra’s given up on their sooper-lojikal atheist jeenyus?
Also, clearly fakeemail feels inadequate compared to other men. Probably with good reason, if you catch my drift.
Yeah, stupid and illiterate misunderstanding of Mary Magdalene. Lazy. The Gnostic Gospels are free for anyone to read, dumb-asses. The scholar Elaine Pagels? Ever heard of her?
These guys think the worst thing in the world for a woman is having lots of sex. It’s so short-sighted, it’s so indicative of a fragile ego. It’s sooooo boring, so tiresome.
Welcome, Kristine! :)
Seconding everything you said.
I <3 "ooper-lojikal atheist jeenyus".
:)
Thanks, Kitteh! It’s good to finally join the fray!
Once again, assholes, I am not your woman. I am my woman and no one else’s.
Oh, this shit:
“I hope some day that our own errant women can follow Mary Magdalene’s example.”
Errant? Fuck off. Also, we are not YOURS, you asswipe, therefore you do not get to write, “…our own errant women.” You entitled asshole.
Uh-huh, clairedammit. Great minds think alike. ;)
Yep :-D
::fistbumps Kristine::
I heard we need a welcome package in this thread? Lessee, I got your scented candles, your cupcakes, your colored towels, your Spanx…what am I missing?
Hey, clairedammit is back! Hi there. And welcome Kristine!
My scalloped potatoes were a hit at easter dinner. Apparently all I can be trusted to do is make potato dishes, but at least I do those well. I am exhausted. I am an exhausted, errant woman, but I am my OWN exhausted, errant woman.
Yay! The natives have accepted me as one of their own! I need a peace offering… oh! Here! http://onlylolgifs.net/post/46150827695/vastderp-nalunani-gemiblu-crateshya
Hi cloudiah! And welcome, Kristine! Katz, I think a kitten or two belongs in the welcome basket? Since we’re going to die alone with our cats and all.
A kitten? Certainly.
Penguins whores in Spanx, too, I think.
I IZ DED OF CHEETAH CUTENESS
and if anyone else has survived that, here’s a lion roaring:
I will happily sit by any of these asshats tomb and wait three days for their ressurrection. With a shot gun and a flame thrower. I’m very devoted to *getting rid of* these guys.
Actually, conflating Mary Magdalene and the penitant whore is very common among Baptists and Evangicals. Just the way its taught, cause you can’t have TWO good women in the Good Book. Women might think they have some worth in Gods eyes.
One welcome package coming right up! (Sorry for the delay, I’m sewing)
The complementary welcome package consists of a misandrist hard chair, matching bath towels, SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLES and cupcakes, delivered by female (whore) penguins in spanx.
And now a kitten care of katz.
Kitties! I just looked at all your kitty pictures…so cute.
Oh, I forgot the misandrist hard chair! I am a lousy welcoming committee.
Kitteh, that clip is highly reminiscent of Simba trying to roar in The Lion King.
That comment above was for Katz, if it wasn’t obvious.
Thanks; i would ask if people were getting tired of my endless kitten pictures but I know better.
Um, katz, you know where you are right? Manboobzers tired of endless kitten pictures? Does not happen, ever. ;-)
And… I just saw that you said you know better. I think I am too sleepy to comment.
My Dessie would like to welcome Kristine to the Man Boobz table.
Napping ostriches in time-lapse aren’t a standard part of the welcoming package, but they’re very cute.
It seems like it would be tiring holding a long neck up while you sleep.
Here’s a better take on Mary Magdalene.
Maybe one of you is up for taking on our April Fool’s Troll; I’m going to bed. He’s probably one of those that poops in a dead thread and runs away anyway.
Here he is:
http://manboobz.com/2012/06/13/how-many-breaths-does-it-take-you-to-destroy-the-feminsit-monster/comment-page-5/#comment-279393
pillowinhell – “I will happily sit by any of these asshats tomb and wait three days for their ressurrection. With a shot gun and a flame thrower. I’m very devoted to *getting rid of* these guys. ”
Can I play too? ::does Puss in Boots eyes::
Conflating MM and the penitent whore goes back further than that – I can’t recall offhand if it’s pre-Renaissance but you certainly see lots of paintings from that era of the Penitent Magdalene. (YAH BOO SUCKS fundies, just another Catholic idea you pinched!) ;)
katz – “Thanks; i would ask if people were getting tired of my endless kitten pictures but I know better.”
Tired … of … kitten pictures … Does Not Compute …
lowquacks – Dessie, awwww!
Niters, cloudiah!
Did someone order a welcome kitty?
@Kittehs
She sits at the table like that maybe 2-3 times a week. She likes having dinner with the rest of the family, especially because we think it’s cute and encourage her with scraps.
Cassandra, that’s your darling girl, isn’t it?
lowquacks – Magnus and Katie like doing that too, though keeping them off the table is … problematic, aka impossible. I got used to eating with my elbow cocked out when those two were here. These days at Home we just give Katie her own plate, it’s easier. Mags has pretty much lost the habit, thank goodness. Our table’s not really big enough for two of them!
@Kittehs
Lavender always makes an attempt to leap to the table, but Dess just likes to sit and watch, so we’re fine with that. Our table seats 6, and there’s 5 humans, so Lav on the armchair, people at the table, and Dess on the extra seat is our usual set-up.
@ Kittehs
Yep. She was being unusually cooperative today, ie she didn’t turn away as soon as I brought out the camera.
CassandraKitteh looks wise and incredibly concerned in that.
I think the wielding of the camera makes her worry about my mental state.
She does have that “What are you doing?” expression.
“Why does the human do this when she could be petting me?”
Or feeding her!
BTW Mr C and I met the cutest new cat this week. She’s a cow cat, white with black splotches, and one of the splotches on her side looks like a heart. I should try to take a picture – she’s super friendly.
D’awww!
Never heard them called cow cats before, but that’s the best name. My Cindy was like that, but she only ran to a circular splodge on her shoulder. I’d love to see new kitty’s heart-shaped mark.
Exactly, you don’t have to drag in Pagels or the gnostic texts, just look at the standard Bible as it is – it doesn’t say anywhere that Mary Magdalene used to be a prostitute. That’s some weird mythology that has stuck without any Biblical basis. What it does say is that she used to be possessed by seven demons, which could mean basically anything. When you read about supposed possessed people in the Bible, some of them would probably have been labelled psychotic by today’s medicine (like the “I am legion” guy), some probably epileptic, some merely as having some bodily illness (if I remember right, there’s this woman who has an unclean spirit which doesn’t cause her to go crazy or anything, it just makes her have a never-ending period. That’s obviously a dangerous medical condition, but it’s not really what someone would think of today if you talked about possession).
Cassandra, thanks for teaching me the term “cow cat”! :-D
My sister fostered a cat like that called Doris. Doris was born on the street, her mother a street cat that an old lady used to feed. The lady kept feeding Doris, who obviously got herself pregnant when she was like six months or so. Then a cat rescue organisation that my sister volunteered for managed to capture Doris. Doris was so cool – despite being actually born on the street, she immediately made herself at home at my sister’s apartment and seemed really relaxed about the whole situation. She was a terrible mother though – once her kids had stopped breast-feeding, my sister had to take them to a separate room many times a day to feed them cat food, since Doris would just try to steal the food of her own kids otherwise. People don’t always realize this, but domestic animals, just like human beings, often hit puberty and become physically capable of having children long before they’re psychologically mature enough. Anyway, the kittens grew up fine and the entire cat family was adopted to various homes. Doris ended up living with an old lady at the countryside who already had a couple of cats.
Never knew Doris was what you’d call a “cow cat” though!
“The lady kept feeding Doris, who obviously got herself pregnant when she was like six months or so. ”
What, no tomcat was involved?!?
Cow cats are so cute. The one we just met sits on the porch waiting for people to walk past so she can run down the stairs yelling at them and demand attention. At first we were worried that she might be lost or abandoned, since she was so demanding, but I guess her people just got her because she had no collar on Wednesday but appeared with one on Saturday. She seems to be settling in and chilling out a bit, she knows where she lives now, but she still hangs out waiting to accost people who might pet her.
*lol* Kitten! Must have slipped on the keyboards! Or maybe the slip was in my brain… :-D
Actually, some animal species have females who reproduce with no male involved! For instance, I know there’s a kind of lizard which is females only. They lay eggs that hatch clones of themselves.
Yes, parthenogenesis is a thing, but not among kitties! :)
Here’s a pic of Abbey and Cindy taken probably around 1980.
Come to think of it, is Cind really a cow cat, or is that more kitties with smaller black marks scattered over them?
Mary Madgalene as a prostitute goes back to a pope in the 6. century.
@Anoia
Sounds like a pitch for a high-concept sci-fi comedy made by future archaeologists who’ve stuffed the timeline of these last three milleniums or so up.
Thanks, Anoia – say, have you had the welcome package yet? :)
It’s further up the page if not, feel free to sample the complimentary gifts and take what suits you!
I’d paste the whole thing again, but I’m going to bed, g’night!
So fakeemail is holding out for the next Virgin Mary, then? ‘Cause Church ladydoctrine is pretty clear that she was the only female non-waste-of-space-seriously-do-those-things-even-have-souls in the history of ever.
While there is obvious virtue in self-sacrifice and devotion, the same can’t be said in those who call for it in others. To pull a page from the MRA playbook, that’s what (actual) communist nations did, and we know how that worked out.
In other news, it’s surprising what someone can pull out of MRA’s by simply pressing them; here we have ol’ Price (surprised?) stopping a centimeter short of saying men should be economically favored: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/03/30/most-gender-equal-place-in-america-pine-ridge-indian-reservation/#comment-182698
What they’re failing to notice is the person that Mary Magdalene was so devoted to. Healing the sick, challenging political authority, protecting socially disadvantaged people, preaching love and respect for other people?
Fine. I’ll be a devoted friend an ally of a doctor-activist-community organizer-Mr. Rogers part two.
MRA’s taking a holiday from being jerks? Now that’s blasphemy!
Someone else probably pointed this out already but Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute. Even the catholic church acknowledged this in 70’s.
Shouldn’t have read that Spearhead article about Pine Ridge. The usual sexism, shoddy arguments and inability to comprehend nuance, now with bonus racism! I’m sure the residents of Pine Ridge would be surprised to learn that the (first) Wounded Knee massacre represented the “final destruction of their way of life”.
A picture of selfless love and devotion, who doesn’t need to be believed. None of the apostles believed Jesus had risen until they had seen it themselves. The women who brought them the news were more or less dismissed.
..Come to think of it, that probably appeals to the MRAs as well.
Sorry for sounding peeved. I just don’t like that particular behaviour by the disciples.
Thing is the kind of fools who whine on The Spearhead can’t bring themselves to be decent about any woman. I had a run-in with a bunch of MGTOWs who called me a slutty cock-carouseler. I lost my virginity to my husband and there have been none since and I’m still happily married. They don’t have it in them to be nice to women, that’s why they’re single and bitter. Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind.
Whee! I take a weekend off, and come back to find we’ve got a new poster! Welcome, Kristine!
As I understand it, kittie pics are the welcome of choice around here, so: I give you Legolas, atop a Lovesack, atop a table (note the corner of the window in the background):
@bookdragonette:
In literary terms, we call this foreshadowing for the next 2000 years of church history…
/former fundy
Read all about the effects of the female “infestation” of AVfM right here.
I know I’m not a ‘local’ but I’m having difficulty with the language surrounding trans and cis and privilege and that whole mess and don’t know where I can talk about it. I’m a confused panda and worried and wondered if anyone could possibly help? Possibly?
I leave offering of bubbly hodgepig
Wow, looks like we’ve got lots of new posters. Or maybe my babies have really killed my reading time.
@cloudiah: I’m not clicking that link, but the “woolly bumblebee?” (this is my confused face)
@daintydougal: I’ve got lots of privilege but I’m willing to help you understand the language if everyone else feels like it’s appropriate.