MRA History Lesson: Women have been getting a free-ride off the backs of men SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME
Here’s your Quote of the Day from the Men’s Rights subreddit. Well, not so much of THIS day as of a day four months ago, but, hey, I only discovered it today with the assistance of the AgainstMensRights subreddit. Bonus points if you can tell me what the hell a “public organ-orifice” is and/or how an AVALANCHE can “blare.”
Quite and excellent comment indeed!
And onward marches the World’s Greatest Guaranteed Top Quality Human Man Rights Man-Movement of the Twenty-First Century!
Posted on March 29, 2013, in antifeminism, evo psych fairy tales, imaginary backwards land, imaginary oppression, lazy women eating bon bons, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reddit, white knights and tagged antifeminism, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 463 Comments.
I’m wondering about the cognitive “dissedence”.
EVOPSYCH RAGE!!!!!!
Sometimes I borrow money from my partner. I’m so ashamed of my womanly freeloadingness :-(
“That’s quite and excellent comment.”
Dipshit.
And the historical citations that leaped out of that “excellent comment” were glorious! Sarcasm off. He posted something he wants to believe and the grammar vandal wants to hear. Wow. It must feel good to get pats on the back all day long for being wrong and entitled.
When I was a child, I had indeed free ride on the back of my father, and I recently had one on the back of my little brother. They’re onto me!
I plan to invite my boyfriend to a restaurant in a few weeks, as to repair for what men have done for me.
And now I know that piggy back rides are evo psychs fault which must’ve existed since before the beginning of time.
And there I am, doubting my english skills when I read entries like this.
So uhhh, the picture distracted me from caring about whatever inanity was in the MRA of the day. I always find it gratifying when I am reminded sex and kink wasn’t invented yesterday.If only we were better about passing such knowledge on…
When exactly was the “begining of time” anyway? And why does he think people existed the moment the universe popped into existence? Reverse sexism predated the dinosaurs, I suppose.
“Cognitive dissidence”
Oh, god, I’m laughing so hard…
Oh opium4themasses, you are such an inspiration to masochistic sickos everywhere.
I so checked my oppressive vanilla privilege.
I guess it wasn’t so much people, but the universal female forces dominating the male ones.
Which has to do with the psychology of evolution.
Soooo… pony play dates from the beginning of time? Not judging, just trying to figure out what he meant.
Oh, nopestories. Your tired and overused schtick is so utterly boring that I almost couldn’t be offended by the underlying nasty assholishness.
Try harder.
masochistic sickos…are those the guys who constantly come in here to get their asses kicked over and over again?
I ground to a halt for a moment at “getting a free-ride off the backs of men”. So if they were OFF the men’s backs, then who was giving them the free-ride?
Yeah. Too cheap to pay a Dom.
@TomBcat
Stop promoting the bullshit that bdsm has females as the dominant, when it is almost always the opposite.
You just want to pretend you rule with your girl powar!1 “LOOK AT ME, I WANT TO HURT PEOPLE AND CALL IT SEX! IM SO EMPOWERED!” (but again, its almost always the opposite, saying its females that abuse the males is just to make bdsm look cute and harmless)
You are all disgusting monkey’s
All you really need to know about the MRM right there.
Nopestories, it’s OK to know nothing about BDSM, but try not get your ignorance all over us and the carpet. It’s a bitch to get out.
Can we just not poke nopestories? He’s hardly a quality troll.
This is probably a stupid question with no answer, but I still have to wonder…what would it take to get these guys to acknowledge the work that women do, have always done, and will always do to contribute to society? I mean, let’s start with childcare–something that really does go back to “the beginning of time” (i.e. as long as humans have been around, and even longer). I forget which thread it was in, but someone here recently pointed out that if men figured out how to reproduce asexually, there would still be a need to take care of the clone-babies.
And those mammoths they’re oh-so-proud of…men may have hunted them, but who cooked them in order to make the meat soft enough to chew? Who dressed the hides so those mighty hunters wouldn’t freeze while they waited for the big hairy elephants to come galumphing along the glaciers? Who (probably) carted the bones off afterward so hyenas wouldn’t be attracted to the cave? If you assume the division of labor back at the Beginning of Time (TM) was roughly the same as it was in 1950s America, that is. And if it wasn’t, well, that just blows the entirety of evo-psych right out of the water, doesn’t it?
Nopey, your posts are so funny! That bit about “girl powar!1″ and all that.
No seriously now, your posts are a mess. What the hell, lots of consenting adults enjoy bdsm. You’re talking about things you’ve never read about.
So i am ignorant because you just said so with nothing ells to say about it.
Okay, i am done now.
@ nopestories
nothing you just said made sense in any conceivable context, because it had nothing to do with anything I said about anything.
How am I supposed to answer if you don’t even try?
Context – how does it work?
Nopestories: you’re ignorant because you post a hot mess and expect us to make sense of your incoherence. Fuck off, I already have a job.
Bye. Stick the flounce.
“So i am ignorant because you just said so with nothing ells to say about it….”
I have more to say about it, would you like to hear?
Promise?
You seem to assume that since we care about social justice (or, you know, our lives) here, we must all be Tumblr-style Sallies. You know Tumblr didn’t invent social justice, right? Protip: not everyone who uses words like “privilege” and “ablism” thinks vanilla privilege is a thing or that Otherkin are oppressed or whatever bullshit Tumblr is wanking about this week.
I’m most amused by the dramatic use of mauve.
I thought vanilla privilege is kinda sorta a thing…
I’ve never been on tumblr though…
I didn’t know privilege tasted like vanilla.
Oh shit, I hope I didn’t open a can of worms with that one. Obviously kink and kinksters are marginalized and there can be devastating consequences to being outed, but I’m not sure if the privilege/oppression framework is the right way to approach that particular marginalization.
@nopestories
Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out cupcake.
If it does, I totally get why everyone wants to keep theirs.
(I also kinda hate the term “vanilla” to describe non-kinky people, but that’s a whole other discussion)
I personally like the acronym YKIMKBYKIOK (Your kink isn’t my kink but your kink is okay.) (As for the word vanilla, I’ve got problems with it like I have with any minority group that falls into “We’re different but we’re better” line of thinking. Though I have pointed out that vanilla’s a pretty cool flavor into and of itself.)
@emilygoddess
no, no can, I actually just don’t know that much about it, so I wondered…I guess it is more about what one wants to call privilege. I had very particular scenarios in mind, and if one group has an advantage that shouldn’t exist one could call that a privilege.
/ramble
no worms anyway.
Cognitive dissidence really makes sense in the MRA framework, as their wars take place entirely within the strange thought experiments they construct in their head, rather than any real action or praxis.
“Marxist policies”
Yay, another person who has no idea what Marxism is!
nopestories:
You don’t know that. And many women are presumed to be submissive even though they really aren’t. Likewise, many men are presumed to be dominant even though they really aren’t. Reality, unsurprisingly, is complex.
BDSM can be consensual you dumbass. No one here is advocating non-consensual BDSM (AKA another kind of sexual torture). You also have no idea why (nice) people engage in BDSM. They do so because it turns them on, not because they want to sexually abuse people.
Well…vanilla sounds like “the least exciting taste imaginable”…so…
also the lines between kinky and non kinky can be pretty blurry.
I feel like I’m posting everything I’m thinking today.
I’ve taken to calling pro-kink but non-kinky people “french vanilla”. Which is to say a really good but often underestimated taste.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/bebel/1879/woman-socialism/index.htm
So I see that nopestories is trying very hard to upset people in an attempt to be excluded from the Wall of Blah. Sorry, kiddo, can’t escape your destiny.
Well at least nopestories didn’t stick the flounce.
I think “vanilla” is an odd thing to say. Are there really vast swaths of people who desire nothing but mostly-silent PIV missionary*? Somehow I doubt it.
*the only non-kinky thing I could think of
I’m still waiting for nopestories to finish that sentence. We are all monkey’s what? Monkey’s jesters?
I mean, I think there are valid discussions to be had about BDSM and how it’s shaped by patriarchy, but as a general rule if you can’t either refrain from calling people monkeys or at least generate coherent thoughts while doing so then you aren’t the person to be having those discussions.
RE: blaring avalanches, I think that’s what Inception is about?
WOOOOOM WOOOOOOM
There are all kinds of problems with the BSDM community, and I’d love to talk about them. Not with a particularly dim troll, though.
nope’s like a very stupid parrot; he’s heard bits of real arguments, but he repeats them wrongly and at random.
(I’m going to call him “nope” because he is literally too boring for me to remember his name.)
My theory on this new wave of trolls is that their goal is to make commenting here so boring (because they think we have no other option than to patiently read all their babble) that everyone will give up and go home, thus no more mocking of misogyny.
Nope’s ‘nym is convenient in that it describes both what people say to themselves when they read zir nonsense and what they do right the fuck out of there immediately afterwards.
“You are all disgusting monkey’s bananas, rotten I say, ROTTEN!”
You meant monkies.
Virgil, is that you?
On current topic — non-kinky instead of vanilla?
Monkeys*
You know, it helps if I get my insults right.
Also, as long as we’re in an avalanche of blaring Marxism, nobody is going to put up much of a fight if we seize the assets of the capitalists and place control of the means of production in the hands of the proletariat, right?
I mean, as long as we’re at it…
I envisioned tiny monks, so I was fine with “monkies”. :D
We are the monks of Marzxsm, sitting on a lonely mountain peak meditating on ways to bring down the IMF.
Wow, that was the best typo in a while.
Someone ’round here pointed out that ‘vanilla’ works if you’re using it to talk about a baseline that’s both perfectly tasty on it’s own, AND good with lots of toppings and twists added in. If you mean ‘bland and uninteresting’, OTOH, then you’re doing vanilla wrong.
I like pointing out that vanilla is one of the most popular flavours of ice cream, that vanilla was a spice/flavour that people sailed the world over to find because it was so awesome, and finally that vanilla basically comes from the same root as vagina.
The use of “vanilla” as “boring and standard” is pretty much a North American/USian thing, isn’t it? I remember when “whitebread” was a thing for boring and basic, and I recall hearing “BOG-standard” from some Brits.
But yeah, I get annoyed whenever anyone breaks out “mundanes” or “muggles” too, because that stuff just annoys me no end.
@Freemage — I like that usage.
Oh, and troll disinfectant–another cat-pic from Greta Christina’s blog (this one’s named Houdini):
@cassandrasays “There are all kinds of problems with the BSDM community, and I’d love to talk about them. Not with a particularly dim troll, though.”
Exactly. (I have also been so busy at work so as not to be here that I have completely forgotten how to block quote.)
@Argenti, “non-kinky” is my preference because it doesn’t really have any judgment implied (at least to me). “Vanilla” is usually used in other contexts to mean “boring,” which I’m not cool with. If you’re doing it right, non-kinky sex doesn’t have to be boring. ;)
I also have big problems with the term “vanilla privilege.” I mean, there are legitimate issues that people who engage in heavy BDSM face (most notably in terms of medical care), but I really don’t feel comfortable with discussing those in a privilege/oppression framework. I think it’s because kink is a purely sexual thing…honestly, I don’t want to hear about it anymore than I want to hear about a non-kinky person’s favorite sexual position. I’m not asking you to hide your* relationship, just to not tell me about your sex life.
*In case it isn’t clear, this paragraph is general and that’s a general “your,” not directed at anyone.
LOL! +1 internet for Tulgey.
On kink, I think it’s a bit irksome that yeah, it seems like just about everything non-missionary could be considered to be on a sliding scale of varying degrees of kink. I recently watched “What’s Your Number?” (which is not a great “feel good” film, especially if you want to avoid something with a lot of slut shaming, but my sister REALLY wanted to watch it) and there was SO much implication in it about how “no one” “enjoys” doggy style sex or giving oral, etc, etc. I was like, “wait, what? Women are supposed to only enjoy missionary? OH wait, I get it, this is another ‘women only put up with sex in order to get the shiny ring and the big fancy wedding’ thing.”
So yeah, I think there’s obvious privilege tilted for non-kinky folk, since sex is supposedly bad, dirty, immoral stuff that women only pretend to enjoy to begin with.
We are the monkies of Marzxsm, disciples of Mister Mxyzptlk.
RE vanilla: I’ve always seen it as a fairly neutral term. Vanilla’s a perfectly good flavor and very common, but if it’s not to your taste then it’s just bland. The key word being “taste.”
And yet again I’m a bit slow…for what it’s worth, I do agree with everyone’s arguments about other interpretations of “vanilla,” and I’m also aware that the negative associations seem to be a USian thing, but I still feel that, in the US, those negative associations are strong enough that it’s not a great term. Of course I also don’t get all upset if someone uses it. ;)
“I…honestly, I don’t want to hear about it anymore than I want to hear about a non-kinky person’s favorite sexual position. I’m not asking you to hide your* relationship, just to not tell me about your sex life.
*In case it isn’t clear, this paragraph is general and that’s a general “your,” not directed at anyone.”
The personal “you” is correct there, nobody here wants to hear about my sex life unless it’s actually relevant. Likewise, unless the topic is direct about sex, I don’t care to hear about your sexytimes! (General you, not you)
Having to hide would be if it was plain unacceptable, even when sexytimes were already under discussion. TMI is TMI though!
I have, some, problems with vanilla too:
That’s what comes up on the google splash page.
The links are much the same.
It does, however, have a connection.. the word is, etymologically, derived from the latin, Vagina (for “sheath” because of the way the pods look).
For all that I happen to think vanilla is subtle, and rich, and complex, that’s not the general connotation. I also don’t hear it being used much in that way, even with food, but more in the, “that’s too dull to be any good/any fun”.
There is also, often, the idea that one who likes “kink” therefore doesn’t enjoy, “vanilla”. Which is it’s own can of worms.
Medical care was exactly what I was thinking about. Though I guess getting treated to some privilege isn’t the same as overall privilege.Or, like, being abused by a Dom is a lot harder to report because “oh no, THAT bruise was consensual…”
It’s also really difficult regarding which terms to use for what, because there’s just always some asshole around that ruins it for everyone.
Someone starting to use vanilla as an insult, people complaining that non-kinky sounds like kink is the default setting, I end up describing everything as if I only know adjectives.
I had something a bit more coherent to say, but someone else did it better before me so, anyway, stuff is stupid because thingy.
I’m really sorry that I often say the most obvious things(not very eloquently), I only recently started to say these things out loud. I guess I’m testing out my thoughts a little in this environment where they are axxepted.
The whole comment is mixed up again (and contains more x than needed) but part of it sounds stupid anyway after what pecunium wrote. Sorry.
Monkey’s jester’s fools!