Manosphere misogynists: Perpetually angry that women can say no?
Women: Not obliged to say “yes.”
I‘m beginning to wonder if every single complaint from manosphere misogynists comes back to their rage at the fact that women get to decide who can have sex with them. Take the following comment from MGTOWforums.com. The ostensible topic of conversation? A study reporting that women tend to feel more stressed than men at work. Watch how deftly MGTOWforums “senior member” 7 Deadly Sins turns the topic from “women in the workplace” to “my sad penis.”
They wanted to work so now they’re working. Oh work is too hard and stressing you out? Too bad. You wanted to be career whores, right ? Enjoy. If you give women what they ask for, they still want more. Who cares if they’re stressed out? They can always get dicked down and take some of the edge off. Men can’t get sex whenever they “feel” like it. Nobody cares what you whores think or feel any more.
Damn. That’s some pretty intense boner rage there, dude.
Posted on March 25, 2013, in antifeminism, boner rage, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, oppressed men, penises, whores, women shouldn't work and tagged mgtow, misogyny. Bookmark the permalink. 1,147 Comments.
lowquacks: I hate that man. I am so horrified that he is the leader of any damn thing.
@lowquacks
Oddly enough. Awhile ago I was a convention and a guy randomly came up to me and asked if I would take his virginity. I declined, but later I found out a woman had taken him up on his offer.
I suppose if you ask enough people eventually someone will say yes?
There is most assuredly shaming for women who want sex. While that shaming really isn’t that prevalent for men (at least in the US).
And yes women run the risk of pregnancy. Birth control in the form of pills or condoms are not 100% effective.
Low rise jeans don’t suit me either, partly because I, sort of a long pelvis and one of those hip-dips between the top of my hip bones and my leg joints so if I wear low rise jeans they a) fall down b) give me massive love handles which aren’t made of fat but of hip bone.
Luckily high-rise jeans are actually much more fashionable at the moment, and more flattering on pretty much any one in my opinion.
Also good because I tend to tuck my tops in.
One thing I’ve always wondered about really low low rise, how do you end up not flashing everyone your arse when you sit down? Or do you wear a thong and flash that at everyone?
Oh and the saggy pants thing on men, dear god is it unattractive. Men being well and tidily dressed (mmm suits and nice shirts) is seriously attractive to me so the saggy look is like liquid nitrogen for my ovaries.
And as to the “women can get sex whenever they demand” thing, I’m 20, slim and while not everyone cup of tea I am relatively attractive by societal standards and I’ve been turned down on several occasions.
And as someone else said, yeah I could go out and ask every man I met for sex and I would find someone willing to do so, but the idea of having sex with someone that I don’t have genuine sexual attraction for makes my skin crawl.
Obviously our fashions are pretty much parallel. I find it interesting how despite not being a big fan of the low-rise thing, you do get used to it. My general body shape probably suits lower rise pants but since I have a belly I really like my pants to come up to my belly button.
I find it so fascinating watching people going from wearing REALLY low pants that don’t suit them – to REALLY high pants… that don’t suit them. Are people incapable of finding clothes that flatter their body type? I am super boring about clothes, I just want to be invisible mostly, but by god don’t wear jeans that give you rolls when you’re super slim and make your arse look small: and don’t wear skirts that make your waist look short and round AND your legs look short. WTF?
For the first part… I mostly observe the latter. When they’re suuuper low, anyway. And you know what’s actually worse than saggy low pants on dudes? Saggy waisted skinny jeans that are falling down. How that’s even possible I don’t know, but :(
Precisely. It’s such a basic, visceral thing, and even the douchebags whining about being incel know it if they’d just admit it.
Pretty sure I have one of those old souls, because though I do like my pants quite tight I feel most comfortable with them at my natural waist and hemmed/rolled in (hillbilly hem, I think they call it) up to a very short break and that’s it. I like the 511 sort of big-end-of-skinny fit though, and most pants I can find that fit like that I have to compromise on how high I want them. Did have some ’80s black jeans for a bit that were high-waisted and fit like that otherwise, but they did emphasise the girliness of my bottom and I’ve got a pretty girly bottom as is and tend to wear heels which do that anyway.
High rise pants look awful on those of us who’re short in the torso and long in the legs. I always feel like I’m using the waistband as a substitute bra – no thanks.
The skinny jeans that won’t stay up on men thing – I think maybe they’re a size too big, or have too much stretch? They do look hilarious.
Heh, a girly bottom doesn’t sound like a bad thing to me. :D Depends what you’re after though.
I think I partially like the higher waist (ideal when my stomach is vaguely flat is about 1″ below my belly button) is because I really like feeling strapped into my clothing. Jeans, belt, tshirt.
That said, I’ve just bought a couple of yoga-type stretchy bootleg-y things off Etsy because they’re somewhat flattering and easy. Good pockets too. I wear them up on my natural waistline, which is probably higher than they’re designed for but eh.
I LOATHE Tony Abbott. He’s the pits, a truly disgusting man.
“Luckily high-rise jeans are actually much more fashionable at the moment, and more flattering on pretty much any one in my opinion.”
They’ve been saying they’re the Next Big Thing for years here and it’s still damned difficult to find them in the shops. Bloody low-rises are everywhere.
“Oh and the saggy pants thing on men, dear god is it unattractive. Men being well and tidily dressed (mmm suits and nice shirts) is seriously attractive to me so the saggy look is like liquid nitrogen for my ovaries.”
BWAHAHAHAHA love that description. Yeah, the whole baggy pants thing is seriously unattractive to me, too. Even without the butt-crack look, the crotch at mid thigh or knee level just makes ‘em look like babies with full nappies. Not. Sexy.
I don’t notice suits so much, but a nice snug-but-comfortable pair of jeans on a nice French butt …
@hrovitnir
I do like it to an extent. I’m just very oddly proportioned for a man. I’m around 80kg and wear size 36 or 38 jackets (if bigger, it’s for my broad shoulders) and size 30ish pants, which would suggest extreme Brad-Pitt-In-Fight-Club muscliness with very little fat, but I’m actually more the slobby-undefined-yet-thin Generic Nerd Body type. All the extra weight’s in my bum.
Also, on the skinny jeans that won’t stay up – belts. Belts are nice.
Hrovitnir – lowquacks once described his former hairdo/tache look and I had to go hide in the Creepy Person Who Would Totally Stare At You On The Street’s corner of shame.
I seem to recall I had to make room for Argenti, and now it looks like there’ll be at least two, maybe three of us right back in that corner after that jeans-and-girly-bottom description. ;)
Cassandra – if you wanted a really bad look you could do the jeans hitched up and add a pair of braces.
buggrit, italics fail!
I blame Fribbie, she just launched a deadly gas attack.
But if you go the belt route you have to have many of them. Or I do.
I have a ton of different styles of wide belts for cardigans and/or dresses.
I have a very curvy rear and find jeans with stretch is the only way to go. I mostly wear dresses though. Jeans are almost entirely worn for work.
I have nothing against pants that sit just below the waist, but the ones I’m seeing now are starting to approach 30’s and 40s levels of wow you look like you have a really long ass – it creates a sort of funhouse mirror stretching effect. Do not like.
lol lowquacks – my brain will not compute that mental image one bit.
BUT it does make me think of the waist-hip ratios and somatotype crap we’ve been doing in human sexuality class. YOU SHOULD SEE the pathetic studies we’re being shown. In fact, I might share when I download the lecture notes.
Cartoon figures of ridiculously exaggerated waists to show .6, .7, .8, .9 WHR: no possibly way they could attempt to have pictures of women with different body shapes in the same ratio to see how results panned out. Oh, and they’re comparing side by side multiple studies, one of which is dismissed because they used INCREDIBLY shitty pictures… and the results were inconveniently 0.9. HA.
It’s not like I care if there is a loosely preferred preference for a particular WHR! Or for straight women to prefer taller male partners! These things are not inconceivable. But the HUGE amounts of bias and the extremely lame research methods make me say ARH.
They’re also talking about somatotypes (in men, in relation to attractiveness to straight women – not that they ever specify “straigt”) = skinny, muscular, and fat. THAT IS NOT HOW THEY WORK. Fuck you, you’ve oversimplified to the point of erasing the entire point of somatotypes. *face-palm*
Whereas I like jeans with just enough stretch to allow me to bend my knees without ripping them, and can’t stand the ones with elastane. Then again I don’t have much of a butt.
@Kittehs
I’m thinking of going back to that look! A wonderful young woman I’ve been flirty on OKCupid with liked it, I’ve been fully-bearded for too long, I’ve got nice cheekbones, and my supremely-ethnically-ambiguous father (he’s pure English Anglo but has been mistaken for just about every race) has given me beard genes that require quite extensive trimming twice a week already at 20. I feel sorry for my brother – he’s 16, and stays clean-shaven, which is easier, but I swear he could grow a full Rick Ross-esque beard in a matter of days if he wanted to. I tend to get judged as about 24 or 25, and I’d say he appears older than me. World’s thickest ponytail all the way down his back too. Very striking person.
So if I ideally like men who’re skinny but kind of visibly toned, but with no bulk at all, do I just not exist?
@hrovitnir
Nobody quite understands how I weigh what I weigh, either. Very dense bones? Some weird cyst thing? Who knows.
@CassandraSays
Stretch without elastane – is there some other substance added, or are we talking 100% cotton that happens to be thin enough for a little bending and stretching?
“I seem to recall I had to make room for Argenti…”
Yes… *goes to corner of shame*
“Cassandra – if you wanted a really bad look you could do the jeans hitched up and add a pair of braces.”
Two words: Doctor Who.
Cassandra – I really like men’s jeans because they’re thicker and double stitched and just better. But they generally have large amounts of ball room, or are way too tight in the thighs. :( Whereas women’s jeans are shittily made with tiny pockets but have stretch. Bleh.
Re: somatotypes, bearing in mind that basically endomorph = fast metabolism, difficulty building muscle and gaining fat. Mesomorph = gains muscle fairly quickly but not fat. Endomorph = slow metabolism, gains muscle and fat quickly. People generally fall somewhere on a continuum between ecto- and endomorph, and depending what you do with your body ectomorphs can be fat or muscular and endomorphs can be slim, though obviously there is a limit.
SO. I learnt about such things via bodybuilding. Meaning my mental image is the first picture… and we’re being shown the 2nd. And I’m thinking O_o
:D :D
Well, theoretically it’s just meant to be a factor in attraction. But I can’t help but feel there is SO MUCH MORE going on with attraction that it’s completely pointless to try and figure out.
lowquacks | March 26, 2013 at 5:09 am
@hrovitnir
Nobody quite understands how I weigh what I weigh, either. Very dense bones? Some weird cyst thing? Who knows.
I’m still trying. I wish I could make graphic design-y things of people!
@ lowquacks
People who weigh more than they look like they do fistbump. People always underestimate my weight by at least 20 pounds. My best friend used to joke that my bones were made of lead.
Most of the jeans I like are a 60/40 cotton/poly blend, so they stretch a tiny bit, but really only enough to let you move, so they retain their shape and don’t stretch out or get baggy over the course of the day at all. I like the fabric to be at least 12 oz denim too – I don’t like the way thin jeans hang.
lowquacks – ::fans self:: ;)
Just don’t you or your brother do the look like that Costa bloke from Gardening Australia! That beard makes me want to get the pruning shears out.
Hrovitnir – I don’t understand a thing about hip waist ratios. Do I exist if I’ve a 101 cm waist and 114 cm hips? And if I like a man who’s shortish, slimmish but has a nice comfy little set of love-handles?
The technology’s there! Collab with an IT department and pay some poor undergraduate students a pittance to dress up in Andy Serkis gear.
Do they ever, ever, consider that personality plays a part? Sometimes the overwhelming part, whether or not one feels primary sexual attraction?
@Kittehs
Brother’s beard is brown and dad’s is grey, but give either enough time (probably more for brother) and I actually think they could manage. My beard’s neckline naturally comes up far higher and would probably look awful long – bit of a Ryan Reynolds/off-duty Louis Theroux look.
(Bah, blockquote monster -_-)
Oh and lowquacks – I really do think I approve of your proportions. :D My partner’s 70-75kg, not quite 6′, 32″ waist and rather bigger shoulders – pretty close to pure ectomorph with a million years of weights meaning he retains biggish shoulders.
So imagining someone with BIGGER shoulders and a SMALLER waist, and a round butt… is pretty epic. :D
@ hrovitnir
You know, raw selvege denim for women does exist, and that sounds more like what you want (heavy, no stretch at all, but will eventually confirm to your body the way a pair of leather shoes will). However, some issues.
A. The only companies I know currently making it for women are in Japan, so sizing isn’t going to go above maybe a US 10.
B. It’s expensive – at least $250 a pair
C Breaking it in might be even more of a pain in the ass than breaking in shoes. It certainly takes longer.
@CassandraSays
Doesn’t Nudie have a women’s line that’s quite well regarded? Not a jeans expert at all here. Dunno if this is the case overseas but there was a place up in Sydney that had lots of pairs of very light worn raw denim from owners who had given up really early at pretty decent prices – cheaper than anything new and decent, certainly. I nearly got a pair of lovely Nudies there but the cardboard feeling was a bit much for me.
Haha. It’s a percentage. So you have a WHR of 0.88. Mine’s pretty similar. But I guarantee you we look totally different, because fat and muscle distribution varies so much!
Yeah, it’s mentioned. I honestly do not understand the point of researching something that has so little practical application. I’m all for figuring stuff out for the sake of it! But I can’t see how biologically mediated sexual selection in modern humans accounts for any significant percentage of how people get into relationships.
It’s not like we can measure genetic success any more is it?!
OK I am far too amused by this.
I just caught up with those pics of the endo-, ecto- and mesomorphs. The second ones are what I’ve seen, pretty much, in the Encyclopaedia Britannica (c. 1980). The first ones … well, not being into the body-building at all, my first reaction was *boggle* and the second was *nooo*. ;)
Yeah, I’m not patient enough for that. :D And my body changes shape too much for me to go there. And considering high quality jeans average $200+ in NZ, and I believe $50 is a good pair of jeans in the US? I can’t imagine what a US$250 pair of jeans would end up here. O_O
Eh, they’re OK, but the quality isn’t anything like as good as any of the Japanese lines. Sizing is obviously going to be an issue for people outside that market, though, and also proportions (anything produced in Japan is going to be narrow in the hips and lean in the thighs).
You’d probably need to be an evo-psych devotee or an MRA to *cough*understand*cough* it.
@hrovitnir
The shit I did for course credit in my PSYCH1001 course. . .
I did take part in a few sociological focus groups for extra cash, and they’re great fun. One was on how youth sexting works out, and I talked a lot on that and the [women perceived to be of loose morals in lowquacks' general location.tumblr.com] that I’d been so disgusted by. Wish the laws weren’t as stringent here and I could be paid for blood/semen/lots of focus groups.
Haha! The bodybuilding one kind of shows what happens if you are all aiming for the same thing, and dedicating your whole life to your diet and weights regime. So is kind of a better measure of difference.
OTOH the nice thing about the “fat” body type is it shows that some body types do NOT want to have low body fat. A very active person with a very clean diet (ie: mostly whole foods, good macronutrient ratios) will not be as large as those pictures probably but they certainly will not look like we’re told we (men and women) should look like!
Not that that will be the take away for anyone, methinks.
Premium denim here averages $150-250. What puts me off going out and getting tons of raw selvege denim is the wearing in issue – I know a guy who has the most gorgeous pair of jeans I’ve ever seen, but he wore them in for 3 months without washing them to get them that way. I’m way too much of a germ-phobe for that.
@hrovitnir
People used to REALLY be off with my weight in high school. People would guess 40-50lb off from my actual weight. I am tallish 5’9”.
I don’t think most people understand what women weigh at all. People would tell me I was lying if I told them my weight. Apparently, you can’t be a size 6 and 165lbs.
“(ie: mostly whole foods, good macronutrient ratios)”
I read that as good malcontent ratios. :P
Also what about body language? I’ve noticed that a lot of the men I’m most attracted to share some obvious characteristics in terms of how they move, which isn’t really a personality thing but isn’t body type either.
Haha! We do have some of the machines at uni that show where your eyes go on an image in the 0.02s before your brain kicks in and I wanna play with those.
Also, my partner works with a dude who got to take LSD for a study in the 70s: oh, the good old days. :D
“We do have some of the machines at uni that show where your eyes go on an image in the 0.02s before your brain kicks in and I wanna play with those.”
Depends on the image …
/fifteen-year-old
@CassandraSays
Raw-denim devotee friends of mine say you can kill germs by hanging your jeans up in a freezer, or rolling them up in one, and leaving them overnight. Honestly I’ll still with op-shop chinos and 511’s from the USA, but that’s what they say.
I’m interested in how it costs that much – Levi’s or Cheap Monday jeans, which seem to be thought of as cheap over your way, cost $90-150+ here. It actually costs less to get jeans shipped from the USA if I buy them new. The only real widely available premium jeans here are Nudie and (surf-oriented) Ksubi, for men anyway, so I guess we’re a bit of a casual-fashion wasteland.
Oooo. That is pretty amazing/bizarre.
Haha! I think if you’re tall you screw them up. I am pretty close to mesomorphic – I put on muscle super fast and don’t gain weight fast – but now I’ve got it I don’t lose it as quickly as many. But yeah, consequently I’m heavy. About 73kg/160lbs is slim for me, and that seems to be pretty heavy for my height (5’6″). In fact! At that weight my BMI is OVERWEIGHT and my risk for obesity related diseases is HIGH.
How about fuck you, BMI was never meant to be used this way.
LOL I hope not!
I do NOT want to know what evolutionary biologists have to say about gendered behaviour. *twitch*
Eat moar malcontents! Iz good for u!
Oo, if I get to eat tasty roasted malcontents that might be OK. Or is that a threat of violence? O_O
And I can’t resist: this is me with HIGH RISK OF OBESITY RELATED DISEASES
NZ Heart Foundation, you suck.
Here’s a good site to get a sense of cost here. In terms of why they charge so much for Levi’s where you are, maybe just because they can?
On the raw denim – sorry, can’t do it. The hassle I could live with but the germs ick me out. I love the look but I’m going to have to just love it on other people.
@Cassandra
Your link didn’t show up. Prices here tend to be expensive compared to the US, though our dollar’s very similar, because of the high cost of real estate here, higher taxes, and a smaller market. It’s a little bit annoying.
NZ we pay way more for lots of things. Partially: tiny island in middle of nowhere. Captive population. Expensive shipping. Weakish dollar (though remarkably strong for what it is). Good-ish labour laws. High taxes on some things coming into the country – so our electronics are seriously about 5x the price.
We have less of a wage gap than the US: our minimum wage is $13.50, but professional level jobs we get paid a LOT less, and I’d guess the average is lower.
Australia they are much better paid again, bigger population and stronger dollar, but still in the middle of nowhere.
Hrovitnir, if that’s you with high risk of obesity related heart diseases, I must be totally ded of fatty degeneration of the heart, or something.
Nice outfit, btw! :)
Cassandra, clothes and shoes cost a fortune here, unless you’re buying Big W or KMart or Best and Less crap that falls apart in a month.
lol That was many years ago, I’m pretty sure I should be dead now too. :D And thanks – I lent my friend that skirt and never got it back, damnit. Bought it in Bangkok (where I was enormous, BTW. :P)
@hrovitnir
Don’t get me started on BMI……
Good point about the real estate, lowquacks – an article the other day mentioned the designer Bettina Liano has upped stakes for New York, because she can rent a store there for half what she pays in Melbourne.
Forgot the link.
http://www.revolveclothing.com/Brands.jsp?d=Jeans
Might be worth ordering stuff directly from the US even when you factor in shipping.
@Kittehs
I have a pair of $5 Big W chinos that fit perfectly and stay together pretty well. They sold for a lot more before going on sale, though.
Just be content in knowing that some New Yorkers shell out ridiculous amounts for the Volleys with the “beater canvas shoes” reputation you can get for $15ish.
Hiss boo to BMI!
My weight doesn’t really fluctuate – only time it did was when I was on holiday in London in ’93, when I was walking a LOT and often enough didn’t have much lunch. I lost a fair bit then, but it returned very quickly. I’ve just gradually gained weight in middle age, more so in the belly with this fatty liver business.
I finally looked at my arse in the mirror recently and was quite happy with what I saw, though. Never really thought about it. “Does my bum look big in this?” is one question I’ve never asked about an outfit! (Sir’s a handy chap to have on shopping expeditions – very patient and he can come into the dressing room unnoticed.)
(and yes he does say if he doesn’t like something, even if I do.)
It is! Got two pairs of jeans, including shipping, for less than I’d have got one for over here just recently.
Strewth, $60 for Dunlop Volleys?
BWAHAHAHAHA there is justice in the world after all.
Holy crap Kitteh! My friend lived in Melbourne for a while – apparently there are so few rentals available there are literally hundreds of people looking and people are going as far as bribing landlords just to get a place. :(
And feel free to rant melody: have you SEEN my screeds?!
Being totally this self-absorbed, here’s a picture of my now OBESE (or… MORBIDLY OBESE) self:
Cassandra – it’s the same with books and dvds. It’s cheaper to get ‘em from Amazon or whoever in the US than in a bookshop here.
Mind you it’s quicker to get them from the UK – one week from there, six weeks from California. That does not compute. ::bzzzt::
:D Yay! I am definitely a fan of “weight stays pretty steady” as a good indicator your body’s pretty happy. I have spent enough time looking at fat people and attempting to brainwash myself that I’m actually pretty OK with what I look like. Most of the time.
Wanting to be muscular and more androgynous doesn’t really help however. :/ And the fact I quickly gained 5kg when I started muay thai/kickboxing then pretty much stayed that way for years (while extremely active, to be fair) is a good indicator that something around there should be achievable once I’m more active – I want to lose weight to be able to fight again, not train hard to lose weight.
I remember the era where people were taking home-made cookies with them to bribe potential landlords because there were so few vacant spaces. That sucked.
Kitteh, how strange at only being able to find low rise jeans. I’m in the UK as you probably know and high-rise (so coming half way up the stomach but not to the natural waist) have been the majority of jeans for several years now. I honestly wouldn’t know wear to find low rise ones even if I wanted them.
The jeans I buy are from Uniqlo, they do really good quality skinny jeans with elastic in the mix, so they fit really and are comfy and don’t need breaking in.
I haven’t found that they go saggy at all either and I wear them constantly, I wear holes in them before they stretch out.
I also have a couple of pairs of mens vintage levis. I really like how they fit as the fact they’re cut for men means they are tight on the hips and waist but straight legged. They’re pretty tight though, so I can’t put on any weight if I want to still fit in them!
I only wear them when the weather is warmer though because they can look too bulky in the leg unless you roll them up at the bottom and show some ankle.
If people are baulking at prices fro new Levis look into vintage or second hand ones, you can find some for very reasonable prices in very god nick, try markets or online.
Woah! I have had such awesome experiences with shipping from the US. I do an excessive amount of shopping from the US and a vast majority of the time things arrive in 5 days. No lie. Even though it says an average of 21!
Whereas the UK is a bit spotty: generally pretty good but less consistent. Aussie is consistently AWFUL, which is ridiculous from 2 hours away. -_-
Hey Hrovitnir, someone’s gotta give me a run in the totally self absorbed stakes!
We’re roughly the same shape and size, going by that photo. Yay for the pear!
Love the caption. :D
I haven’t any good full-length pics of myself, but this is the top half taken recently:
See, when I say high rise I mean things like this.
http://www.revolveclothing.com/DisplayProduct.jsp?product=BLKD-WJ1&c=&d=5
That’s an 11 inch rise. On me that wouldn’t sit at the waist, it would sit above it.