Manosphere misogynists: Perpetually angry that women can say no?
Women: Not obliged to say “yes.”
I‘m beginning to wonder if every single complaint from manosphere misogynists comes back to their rage at the fact that women get to decide who can have sex with them. Take the following comment from MGTOWforums.com. The ostensible topic of conversation? A study reporting that women tend to feel more stressed than men at work. Watch how deftly MGTOWforums “senior member” 7 Deadly Sins turns the topic from “women in the workplace” to “my sad penis.”
They wanted to work so now they’re working. Oh work is too hard and stressing you out? Too bad. You wanted to be career whores, right ? Enjoy. If you give women what they ask for, they still want more. Who cares if they’re stressed out? They can always get dicked down and take some of the edge off. Men can’t get sex whenever they “feel” like it. Nobody cares what you whores think or feel any more.
Damn. That’s some pretty intense boner rage there, dude.
Posted on March 25, 2013, in antifeminism, boner rage, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, oppressed men, penises, whores, women shouldn't work and tagged mgtow, misogyny. Bookmark the permalink. 1,147 Comments.
The cops got in touch with his mum, who told them his former name, on the grounds that she is a heinous bitch. (Yeah, my friend is trans.)
*applauds DataWeasel’s commitment to translating the untranslatable*
“I guess this little exodus to this site has done some good after all.”
“exodus”
LOL
WeeBoy — on one hand, bitch is sexist, on the other, fuck her! By any insult, she can go walk on Legos to escape a field of cactī.
I am getting really tired of the: women can have sex whenever they want complaining.
Okay I was supposed to go to sleep, but I am wandering the threads to see how various manboobzers are doing. WeeBoy, I am so glad your friend is doing a bit better, and I hate that the police were so terrible. He’s lucky to have friends like you!
I wonder if it’s partially based on the fact that they don’t bother distinguishing us from one another. Maybe some douchebro named Bob thinks it’s deeply unfair that he, Bob, cannot have sex on demand, but Woman-the-Collective can. I might not be having sex, but Elspeth two blocks over is totally getting it on, and it’s kind of the same because we’re both part of the indistinguishable mass of Womanhood.
Late to the party… :-( still, here we go again, instead of acknowledging the obvious, only denial. Why, oh why, just can’t we admit that the libido disparity might be the cause for his rage boner and not the rage boner causing him to imagine this disparity? Only cultures mentally preparing for Armageddon, like early modern Europe and now partially contemporary Western culture are in denial about something so fundamental.
I’m also skeptical that acceptable-looking women can’t practically get sex whenever they want with a wide range of possible partners (ok, lesbians excluded, I feel for them). Sure, stated that way, the claim is vulnerable to be refuted by personal stories or the odd verifiable counterexample… well I don’t care, as a rule of thumb it remains true. And since it’s derailing to argue with research studies, I’m keeping it anecdotal, too.
Google Image search “Bethany McKee”. Even this nasty, obese cow (I really would like to slip in some ableist slurs here… something with chromosomes…) managed to lure two beautiful black boys to her house by the promise of sex. Now the two beautiful black boys are dead. Is there a more powerful image to illustrate the hard reality?
Not so much “late” as “not invited”.
Weeboy: ARHHHHHH. Also FUCK YOU NZ cops. :'(
Also, hi everybody. I so want to be more a part of this community but I utterly fail at keeping up, ever.
And Nerdypants, figured easier to reply here: totally don’t think NO ONE should have Huskies. I like to assume cool people I meet on the internet will be some of the people who will be totally OK. :P Just had to put it out there. Good luck with your Husky having, when you can!
::waves:: Hi Hrovitnir!
As a rule, I ignore trolls, as it’s not worth the effort. But I accidentally read Jaro’s spew so here we go:
How is libido disparity relevant here? Even ignoring that libidos are overlapping bell curves, and wanting something does not entitle to you it even when “it” is not a human being, do you actually think that “Nobody cares what you whores think or feel any more.” has a goddamn thing to do with any facts? It’s to do with hating women: it doesn’t matter why.
You. Are. An. Idiot. I will absolutely guarantee you that any woman in the world, if you actually talked to them, has personal stories of not being able to have sex with people they’re attracted to. Saying it repetitively doesn’t make it true.
Aaaaand this proves the kind of despicable person you are. If she was a rock sold “10”, it would be equally disgusting what she did, and this proves absolutely nothing whatsoever about how easy it is for women to attract men. Nothing.
Hi Kitteh! =^.^=
::high fives hrovitnir::
When you do a troll takedown, it’s a mighty one!
On the idea that a disparity in libido causes rage boners, two things.
1. Even if we take it as a given that such a disparity exists, rage is not a reasonable or appropriate response.
2. Ancient proverb (that I just made up) says “Man goes to sleep with sexual problem in mind, wakes up with solution in hand”.
Cassandra, you’re on my imaginary kill file now. Sure, that may sound mean, but you know, it’s “troll* eat troll” here in this comment section.
*this is not a hint that I am a troll… though I consider reclaiming this term… I’m constantly called one here.
That’s nice, dear.
lol Thanks Kitty! I said hi as well but my computer said nooo. I kinda like picking apart troll arguments but it’d take up all my time if I tried it here. >_>
This x infinity!!
I was actually thinking about the libido thing on the bus today. I used to have a ridiculously high sex drive until worse depression + working lots then antidepressants = what sex drive? But when it kicks in, I still have a level of attraction that works super quickly (1/2 hour conversation where I really like the person = would definitely sleep with them) and it so overwhelming I actually go blind sometimes (spots in front of eyes, can’t focus, all black).
I have had discussions with people where I have realised that is not necessarily normal? Or common? Don’t know.
But despite when I was single being 17-18 (sex is 16 in NZ), sexually experienced enough from my first relationship to be confident, slim and fairly attractive, and my approach was always “can I kiss you?” and/or “would you like to sleep with me?” I’ve had men say no either because they’re not interested, they had a girlfriend (I didn’t know about) or in a couple of cases because they enjoyed teasing me (yeah seriously, I know this for a fact. :P)
Despite that, I have never, EVER got angry at someone not being interested in me! I cannot imagine it! And as someone who’s attracted to women as well and intimidated as fuck, I can understand it feels impossible. But that is no one else’s fault! The fucking martyr complex is completely bemusing to me (though I can understand it in theory.) :(
lolwut Jaro, were you going for irritating or scary? Because what you succeeded at was bewildering and disappointing.
I can imagine being disappointed because someone turned me down, or even depressed if it happened a lot, but angry? No, that’s not a normal response, or a reasonable one.
3. Cassandra owes Kittehs one (1) glass of iced coffee.
It’s funny, I’ve had the opposite thing happen – I’ve taken forever to think my very low libido (as in, not turned on by anyone ‘cept you-know-who) is out of the ordinary!
The Feminist Hivemind is gonna be soooo disappointed in us.
Not to mention scary. :(
Oo, and guess what? I’m doing a flying trapeze workshop tomorrow night! There’s this online group for mostly-outdoors activities in my city and I’ve signed up for this one-off thing, $20 payment going toward a triathlete competing overseas.
I’m a bit nervous because I now weigh 104kg (230lbs) but there was no weight limit, so yay!
lol Kitteh! It’s funny how easy it is to use yourself as baseline normal, and how long it can take to realise, er, no. My step-sister has a very low libido, likes sex very occasionally and also has massive personal space so is pretty much like “OK, leave now”. She was always kind of amazed I work this way. :P
It is funny that such a mild pair of statements ruffled Jaro’s feathers, though. A bit sensitive, that one.
Whoo, flying trapeze! Now that sounds scary (no head for heights, me). What does the workshop entail, is it like an introduction?
I can just see you and your stepsister doing a sort of “no, srsly?” thing with each other. :D
You are clearly a terrible person! Censoring men’s righteous rage! Of course, that response was pretty much a perfect example of how right you are.
“Troll eat troll,” now that’s the first funny thing Jaro’s said.
If they did, what would we be left to play with?
(Notes the fact that masturbation jokes are misandry.)
Say, is Jaro an example of the lesser feathered rageboner, or just the common bonerwhiner? The two species are so similar.
(Also notes that when a white women kills two black men, the part that we should really be upset about is that she’s fat.)
Kitteh: some flying action, apparently! :D I have a little fear of heights, but nothing that stops me. ^_^ Interestingly, with my sister, she once expressed envy of my uncanny ability to make really quick and intense bonds with men (not women, sadly), something that still happens though to a lesser degree now I’m a fatty fat fatty. I ended up (somehow? Can’t remember) talking about sex with my excessively sexy dentist for god’s sake. But anyway, I pointed out I am super jealous of her ability to make have really close friends. I… am not good at friends. :(
CassandraSays: yuuuuuuuup. Hence my kinda non-response there because *gag*. How mind blowingly revolting.
My friends boyfriend doesn’t put out as much as she would like, but she doesn’t hate him because of it.
And while I may not put out I totally have a sex drive. And though I know men who would have sex with me. I do not want to have sex with them.
I also remember being totally into a guy and him not wanting to have sex with me. It doesn’t mean he is a horrible person that is oppressing me by not having sex with me.
Is this the Bethany McKee of the Joliet murders? I know nothing about her, or them, but a quick look on HP says four people, two men and two women, were charged with the murders. So … why all the focus on her?
@cassandrasays
…….
That is a bizarre problem to have with someone who kills other people. If she was attractive would that make it okay to murder?
Hrovitnir, you must must must tell us how the workshop goes! :)
All my friends are online these days. Earlier friends here, well, we all went our different ways eventually, and everyone else lives OS (you inconsiderate swine, manboobzers et al!)
Back shortly, sausages and spuds await.
Every time I think I’m beyond being surprised by how completely fucked up the priorities of these guys are they manage to prove me wrong again.
On the bonding with men versus not so easily with women thing…is it because you’re intimidated? Or do you feel intimidated because you feel like it’s going to be harder to connect? I’m bi and ime there really hasn’t been much difference as far as that initial “hey, I like you, do you like me?” stage is concerned other than the numerical unlikeliness of any random woman who you happen to meet being queer.
@Cassandrasays
One of my friends is frustrated with finding love because it isn’t easy to find someone who is queer, she finds attractive, who finds her attractive back and that she has something in common with.
The other woman involved in the Joliet case was of average weight so…I guess that makes it all OK? Like I said – the priorities, they’re pretty messed up.
And I suppose the white guys involved in the murder were just fine dandy, cos who has a problem with white guys murdering black guys?
::barfs::
@ melody
That’s part of why I guffaw when these guys start ranting about how easy gay men have it. Try dealing with a situation in which about 90% of the people of your preferred gender not only aren’t ever going to be even potentially interested in you, some of them might also try to kick your ass if you even suggest that you’re interested in them, and then we’ll talk.
Heh. I kinda want a BonerRage comic book character now.
Mmm, I didn’t think I was hungry but apparently mention of sausages and spuds disproves that theory. :P
Re: Hickory St murders, I assumed it was a matter of one or both of the women promising sex initially but that was expecting entirely too much logic of misogynists. It seems they just invited them to hang out, and met two days before killing them. :(
CassandraSays: I am horrendously intimidated by women. I have got better but that’s partially from hanging out with weirdos that are very often women. :D I have always found hanging out with men, like when I was the only woman on a (tiny) Navy ship (yeah, I know that sounds scary, but it was all good) or when I’m the only woman at sparring (muay thai), so kinda hyper-masculine environments, that those are the situations I feel I can naturally relax. Even now I find a lot of stuff men talk about in those situations problematic, it comes more naturally to me.
My gender confusion (I am mostly happy identifying as male with female life experience, I don’t THINK I’m going to transition but I am super torn) became more apparent to me when I realised I just don’t *see* myself as female. Like, despite knowing it and not being totally un-feminine, I’m *surprised* at people perceiving me as female.
I’m sure I have a lot of internalised misogyny too. :( As far as attraction to women goes, that confuses me too, because I’m definitely attracted to women but I’ve never had that super magnetic thing with a woman. I had a kinda-girlfriend, who I was keen on at a party but once we tried dating, snuggling in bed just made me feel sick-nervous rather than aroused.
My replies to things are always excessively long, sorry. :P
Random derail! Is it just me or does this look like a skirt rather than a top?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Stars-Mustard-yellow-tube-top-one-size-/151017390661?pt=US_CSA_WC_Shirts_Tops&hash=item2329568245
Maybe wait for a situation in which you do feel a stronger pull? The nervousness could be unfamiliarity or it could be a situation that just isn’t right for you. I know I’d feel weird and not be able to get really turned on in a situation where I felt intimidated or otherwise not quite comfortable with the other person.
Yes it very much does. I do not think it would be the most flattering of tops. -_-
AND:
Every time I think I’m crazy about being into ladies I then wonder about this. I have a very specific set of turn ons that are common in men and less common in women – a little bit of androgyny, extreme geekiness and enthusiasm about something (men are probably more likely to start talking AT you in great detail, maybe?), someone who’s very firm in their approach sexually (I tend to be very forward and I don’t know what to do with the pretty ladies who tend to give rather than push back).
Aaaaand another reason I fear transition. I am definitely MORE into dudes than ladies. And I’d be a gay trans* dude. Which is popular with a certain subset of the population but suddenly puts me at a much higher risk of violence. :(
That’s what I’m running with! Bearing in mind, I had a bunch of sexual partners but only one baby relationship, then I’ve been with my partner 9 1/2 years, from 18 (and some) – 28. AND I’m kinda socially phobic. So I don’t meet people, and how many gay women want an inexperienced, kinda masculine-identifying, bi woman, when they would be a secondary partner to a man??? Yeeeeah.
That definitely looks like a skirt to me, and seconding Hrovitnir, I don’t think it’d be at all flattering as a top. Mind you I don’t think boob tubes and their descendants are flattering anyway. ::has dreadful 70s flashback::
And seconding Cassandra (I’m bein’ so original tonight) about the situation with women – if you’re not really comfortable with women socially, I wouldn’t expect it to feel that great trying to do sexytimes. *Trying* being a major factor, I’m guessing. Never been in the situation of sexytimes or potential sexytimes with anyone but Mister, but every time I’ve ever thought of it with a guy, I cringe. I’m much more comfortable with women (opposites again, lol). So yeah, that makes sense to me.
Herb and garlic sausages, spuds, pumpkin and cabbage – yum!
It makes more sense when you say that you’re uncomfortable with partners who’re very yielding, since women tend to be socialized to do that. Maybe some internalized stuff about how you perceive people who act in traditionally feminine ways too? I dunno, it’s much harder to figure this stuff out with people who you can’t see them interacting with others! (Normally I’m the person who all my friends ask to figure relationship/interaction stuff out for them.)
And yeah, just being bi alone will send a lot of otherwise suitable women running for the nearest exit. I’m thinking that the answer to your dilemma may be to gradually get involved with women who you’re friends with first, so you can work through the more general discomfort with relating to women before tackling the more emotionally complicated stuff.
(Please note that I say all of this very bitterly and with great anger, because I’m a feminist and I’d hate our trolls to feel let down.)
Oh man Kitteh, awesome. I LOVE steamed/boiled cabbage, though I think I’m unusual.
I think your sex history is pretty unique. :D All the better for how it works for you.
I freaking hate boob tubes 99.9% of the time. Let alone if they go OUT under the breasts. WHO would that suit? It’s one of those “if you’re extremely slim, with a specific shape, but probably unusually big breasts, it will look good but even so something else would look better” situations. :P
“(Normally I’m the person who all my friends ask to figure relationship/interaction stuff out for them.)”
::pictures CassandraSays with white lab coat over goth gear, looking over spectacles while taking notes::
I call those faux-maternity tops. The billowy bottom makes perfect sense if the wearer is pregnant, but otherwise I don’t get it
LOL
You’re awesome: I love over-analysing my own and other’s stuff, consensually. ;) On the plus side, I have lots of lesbian friends (not close friends, but friendly enough for coffees and birthday parties). On the down side, they’re all big drinkers and I don’t drink any more. On the super down side, they all know my male partner. lol
I appreciate insight! Definitely a combination of “women are mostly socialised away from my preferred behaviours” and “internalised badness about femininity”.
It’s rare, that’s for sure! :D
Hey, a second person in the world who likes good old boiled cabbage? ::high fives again::
That boob-tube-with-flare sounds like how not to do an Empire line. I mean, yeah, high-waisted skirts/dresses, they can look great, especially if you’ve a curvy belly *cough*who me?*cough*, but on a boob tube??? Noooo!
You too, eh? :D
Damn that Tasman!
I’m also imagining it blowing up every time there’s a breeze.
It does look like a skirt.
I enjoy cabbage as well (in its many forms).
“I appreciate insight! Definitely a combination of “women are mostly socialised away from my preferred behaviours” and “internalised badness about femininity”.”
I do wonder about how culture shapes us. We can never fully know. *sighs*
I like flared tops – I haz the shape for them – but that one’s got FAIL written all over it.
And I shudder to think what they’d want to pair it with. I just hope it’d be leggings rather than low-slung jeans.
Why did I have to give myself that image …
“Most of my torso, let me show you it every time there’s even a tiny spot of wind.”
I think it probably is a skirt and the person selling it is just an idiot.
Hahahahaha. Definitely the jeans. So low you can see the line where she shaves. (Seriously, I have seen this. Toooo low.)
I saw a bloke sitting on a step not long ago – his low slung jeans were halfway down his arse. Waaaaay too much information, dude, even from the back view.
Cassandra, I hope you’re right about the seller.
Be funny if they’ve been wearing it as a dress/top. “This damn thing doesn’t sit properly! I’m going to sell it!”
I prefer low-rise jeans but the general rule is that if they require a bikini wax to wear, they’re probably too low.
Hi, also have terrible dating luck (it’s come to my attention that I have flings with lovely people and date utter assholes) — so, fling success? Friends first, friend of friends where the yes also queer question is answered safely, online dating or at least figuring out the sexuality question with that safety buffer (note, I don’t do online dating, but find the “so, are you interested?” thing more comfortable at the safer distance of internet where rage and banning them can happen if needed)
Note: I am probably not the person to take dating advice from! I tend to sort of fall into relationships, eg the not-an-ex posted on FB about the apt upstairs being open, I needed an apt, it was out of my range but we started talking and you can likely guess the rest! Magic powers or something?
Now, if anyone has hints how to inquire with someone as to whether they’d be interested, with a whole series of oddities (please tell me how many kinky poly okay-with-gender-meh/are-genderqueer people there are? Because I kinda suspect the odds of finding another one who isn’t the not-an-ex remotely resemble the odds of asteroid strikes…and, oh yeah, I’m crazy and nobody wants to date crazy)
Ok now I’m just going to turn into a whiny drunk. Ignore me! Answer this: anyone else find it odd that Jaro returns right after Clifford has a Pelltdown?
So you’re coming around to the “maybe it’s all one guy and wow is he ever obsessive” theory, then.
@cassandra
“That’s part of why I guffaw when these guys start ranting about how easy gay men have it. Try dealing with a situation in which about 90% of the people of your preferred gender not only aren’t ever going to be even potentially interested in you, some of them might also try to kick your ass if you even suggest that you’re interested in them, and then we’ll talk.”
My life, you describe it.
Yes, I could just go down to the sauna, but the guys who frequent the sauna are the kind of people who can’t get sex anywhere else – that is they’re old, fat and often smelly.
In gay clunbs it’s easy… so long as you are hot, masculine in a gay way, well muscled, okay with taking your shirt off in public, don’t look like you’re over 22, and well dressed. From what I can see is it’s actually harder to get sex with attractive men if you’re gay than if you’re a woman. Mainly because there are more attractive straight men.
Low-rise jeans would look dire on me if I didn’t have a long top over them – I’m not huge (83kg) but I have a prominent, droopy belly. The gut-protruding-twixt-pants-and-top is not one I’m going to try! :D
Argenti, I don’t know what you’re like in person but you do not come across as a whiny drunk online. Drunk maybe, whiny no.
There. Aunty Queen has spoken.
I hadn’t thought of the Jaro/Pelltdown thing, I don’t take much notice of posting times, but … hmmm. Mind you if he is Pell, he’s being remarkably coherent straight after all that frothing about his abs on the other thread.
HEY CLIFFORDPELLJARO LIFT YOUR GAME SON
Maybe it’s projection? Like, well, I’m a man and I don’t think I have any standards (this bit isn’t true, but go with me here), so obviously other men must not have any standards either, so it must be super easy if it’s men who you want to fuck! Because we’ll fuck anyone (as long as she’s the right age, the right weight, appropriately dressed, and by the way take a seat because we’re going to be here for a while).
Ditto! Though the description did amuse me.
If you feel like reading something depressing, I’m reading the excessively long article on an old sex abuse case that goes into some detail and is generally a revolting description of a teacher using his power to control and abuse young men while administration looks away.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/04/01/130401fa_fact_fisher?currentPage=1
I “love” how the article really does seem to glorify the culture despite the article being about how it was a hothouse for rapists.
@Cassandrasays I think the mentality holds true when men whine about how women can get sex.
Yes, if I walk into a mall and start asking random men if they will have sex with me I will find a man who will have sex with me. That doesn’t mean I will want to have sex with that man.
On the OP:
Unfortunately, this seems to be one of the misogynistic ideas that have the most traction outside internet-weirdo circles. Quoth our Opposition Leader and probable next PM:
@melody
Or that it’d be looked upon favourably at all by quite a few people. Even if we hold to the patently ridiculous idea that it’s easier for women to get (straight) sex, we must remember that women are far more likely than me to be able to get pregnant and far more likely to be judged harshly for having/wanting sex.