Manosphere misogynists: Perpetually angry that women can say no?
Women: Not obliged to say “yes.”
I‘m beginning to wonder if every single complaint from manosphere misogynists comes back to their rage at the fact that women get to decide who can have sex with them. Take the following comment from MGTOWforums.com. The ostensible topic of conversation? A study reporting that women tend to feel more stressed than men at work. Watch how deftly MGTOWforums “senior member” 7 Deadly Sins turns the topic from “women in the workplace” to “my sad penis.”
They wanted to work so now they’re working. Oh work is too hard and stressing you out? Too bad. You wanted to be career whores, right ? Enjoy. If you give women what they ask for, they still want more. Who cares if they’re stressed out? They can always get dicked down and take some of the edge off. Men can’t get sex whenever they “feel” like it. Nobody cares what you whores think or feel any more.
Damn. That’s some pretty intense boner rage there, dude.
Posted on March 25, 2013, in antifeminism, boner rage, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, oppressed men, penises, whores, women shouldn't work and tagged mgtow, misogyny. Bookmark the permalink. 1,147 Comments.
RE: Clifford
Okay, let’s take your idea and use it. So, to be truly empathic, I have to sympathize with Nazis and creationists? Two sides to every story, after all.
You’re the one who seems to denying reality, bucko. You say you’re showing empathy… but you’re saying that men get laid more if the other person doesn’t have a choice about it. That’s A HORRIBLE CALLOUS THING TO SAY.
@ hellkell
He really needs to learn how to use commas, they’re one of his tells.
Clifford, when you’re argument boils down to “I just don’t understand why a movement for control of one’s body and a movement for boner rage can’t be treated as the same thing” you don’t have an argument
Are you thinking Pell or another idiot?
RE: CassandraSays
Oh hell, Steele AGAIN? Can’t the guy let a dead horse stay in the ground?
Different one. Not that it matters, they’re all a. dumb and b. creepy.
@LBT
That’s Steele? I wasn’t around much when Steele was commenting, but I could swear he was much wordier and boringer.
On the one hand, Clifford might be a perfectly decent person. On the other hand, he might be a vile, misogynistic, barely-rational troll who thinks he’s making a point while being soundly mocked for his idiocy.
I’ve chosen my side. ^^
Listen guy, I think ahmadinejad has some good points about the holocaust not happening. There are always two sides to an argument. Only Clifford has the enlightenment to see them both!
Oh, Virgil.
Oh wait is it Virgil? I’m so bad with these trolls XD
…but only because they are so unoriginal.
RE: Bagelsan
SHWING!
And hell, CassandraSays, all the trolls are blurring into one frothy mass to me. It’s like “I AM SPARTACUS!” only instead it’s, “I AM AL!”
“and frankly, you smell of sock”
My money’s on Mr. Al, the reasonable comment to get let through mod like any other newb, then the amazingly fast downfall into ARGLEBARGLE.
And no, there is no reasonable counter point to “women should be able to choose who they have sex with and when” besides “men should be able to choose who they have sex with and when” except *gasp* the vast majority of I feminists agree that “everyone should be able to choose who they have sex with and when, assuming the other person agrees to this”
Was Virgil a new troll or Om Nom repeating? Cuz troll acid reflux is gross
LBT’s right, they all blend into one big ball of ARGHLEBARGLE mush.
Virge was new, but then he came back as Looks_Law.
Recently it’s been more “I am dull, hear me drone”.
RE: CassandraSays
Yeah. I swear, I’m just waiting for them to tell me their feelings on yaoi.
(Note to Clifford: I do not, in fact, want to know your feelings on yaoi. This is my perspective.)
My thoughts on yaoi — gravitation is perhaps the best thing ever, please pass the banana suit!
Does anyone else think Mr Buttdude is a bit of poorly written software? Its posts are never on topic and spew some barely related MRA “truism”. It does not act like there is an intelligence behind it.
After reading Clodford’s rubbish in the other thread I started thinking Pell. He tends to post stupid videos, do the oh-so-superior thing (when he’s not talking about Uncle Monty) and fall into arglebargle.
RE: joanimal
Nah, nah, you’re thinking of Explore Nature. He makes Buttman look like Abraham Lincoln.
Yeah, I’m thinking Pell too after the physics thing.
Explore Nature is the worst employee that any board of tourism ever had.
If Explore Nature were my first exposure to nature, I’d want it all paved over.
Hell, I’M even seeing Pell, and I’ve missed most of his greatest moments!
Still hoping he whips out something good as super dogs, though.
I’d be ready to make the Everglades a parking lot.
Eh, maybe, doesn’t seem faux expert enough for Pell, that 90% claim is just ASSFAX
joanimal — scrapemind tracked me down on deviantart when challenged to guess my gender, he isn’t a bot, he’s a creep.
Those are definitely two perspectives. One of them is a bad one, but you’re entitled to have it.
RE: Argenti
Ew, that’s not cool. (Then again, I had some FandomSecrets wingnut chase me down so he could give me his opinion on my tits.) (Not even joking.)
Maybe Clifford is just an entertaining NEW troll? *gasp*
I kind of want to hear this story. Which fandom?
OMG! That’s what we were trying to tell you!
*cough*MRA is the bad one *cough*
@Argenti Aertheri, crap! I am so sorry for you. That is cretinous.
“Those are definitely two perspectives. One of them is a bad one, but you’re entitled to have it.”
See, Clifford, you CAN grasp the flaw in this whole “empathy means agreeing with both sides of the argument” idea! Good job!
Admitting some sides are wrong? I feel like I made some weird kind of troll brain breakthrough. Of course he’ll kill the flicker of hope in three…two…
Well, to get a little meta, it’s your perspective that that perspective is the bad one. Others might disagree on the badness of that particular perspective vs. the goodness of the feminist one.
RE: CassandraSays
Just general FandomSecrets, back on LJ when it wasn’t the bitterfest it was now. I can’t even remember the context, but I left a comment on why teachers and students banging was a bad idea, and this weirdo followed me back to give me his Very Valuable Opinion on my tits, my hypothetical future children (!!!!!) and that this was why I shouldn’t have top surgery.
Never, EVER have I thought I’d have to say, “MY NIPPLES ARE NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!” to a STRANGER.
The message he sent me was pretty priceless in its WTFery. He also thought I was a lesbian. I’ve still got it around somewhere.
Yes, but no one here would make the mistake of choosing the bad one cliffie. We already know you are not a decent person.
RE: Clifford
Yeah, well, that’s just your PERSPECTIVE, man.
I don’t agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
It’s definitely Virgil. He’s peddling the “Men don’t get to choose to have sex, only women get to say yes or no” bullshit again.
This thread is oddly timely for me. Someone was fired at work a couple of weeks ago and all of his projects got assigned to bf, who was pretty overwhelmed already. Now he’s having a pretty rough time of it. I asked him if I should come over tonight and help him relax, but he refused. Female privilege, how could you fail me in my hour of need??!?!
“If Explore Nature were my first exposure to nature, I’d want it all paved over.”
My boss and I would like to present you with one gold-plated internet.
Sorry to Aregenti Aertheri and LBT for internet creepers. Jedi hugs if any of you guys want them.
@LBT
It’s your perspective, that it’s his perspective that fade’s perspective that his perspective that….wait I got lost.
RE: Clifford
Ah, Voltaire. Wonder how many trolls he got in his time…
Hmm, interesting.
Are you sure it’d not your perspective that our perspective of you as a misogynistic troll is not simply incorrect?
Hmm, interesting.
Are you sure it’d not your perspective that our perspective of you as a misogynistic troll is not simply incorrect?
(Also, sorry for double post, my freaking name keeps changin)
That is a very good idea clifford. Why don’t you go do that?
@ LBT
Ew, that’s the creepiest unsolicited boner report I’ve heard in a while.
Ah, must admit to a typing fail here.
That our perspective of you as a misogynistic troll is simply CORRECT.
But clifford it is his right to say it how dare you suggest otherwise I thought you were defending him! You have betrayed me!
Clifford used to have a single perspective, until he took an arrow to the kn– frontal lobes.
I thought threats of violence were perfectly acceptable and also commonly used in the science peer reviews! Or was that in the other thread?
FTR, scrapemind didn’t comment elsewhere, just found me in full Wayward Victorian Girl costume and decided I’m a girl (whatever, I care far more about the crappy factor, but it wasn’t Mr. Al creeping on Cassandra level creepy at least)
Yeah, probably is Virgil, or Drunk Al, but Virgil is the right sort of idiot believe system.
WeeBoy — how’s the friend you mentioned the other day, if you don’t mind me asking? (And how’re you holding up?)
…that was you right? Psych drugs and memory = not so much…
RE: Clifford
Is this a threat of violence? That’s not acceptable behavior young man.
I… what? You’ve lost me again.
RE: CassandraSays
I KNOW RIGHT? He said he knew how I must feel, for he too had dated beautiful lesbians in his time, and I was just like, “OMFG I’M GAY I LIKE MEN WTF”
Other thread!
joanimal’s a young man? I got the impression he’s closer to my father’s age…but I’m a young’in
LBT — whoops, failed to say that your creeper is a creepy combination of creepy and laugh at him hilarious. Sorry you have to deal with him.
RE: Argenti
It only happened once. I gave him a long message about how my nipples, my sex life, and any children I may or may not have in the future were NONE OF HIS BUSINESS, banned him, and never saw him again.
Hallelujah.
That was me. He’s okay, still alive, seems a bit more cheerful. I have both worry and the joy of dealing with a police complaint because the fucking cops who showed up refused to call my friend by his legal name because he “hasn’t had the surgery yet.”
I am a 60-year old man talking to a 16-year old that mistakenly believes he is superior. How original. I certainly have never encountered that before. Touché child.
Anyway, I am off to let the faster younguns outscore me (by many, many points) on Team Fortress 2.
Have fun poking the troll everybody.
Not quite sure what that had to do with your plans for your top surgery…
@weeboy
Yay that your friend is okay :) Boo on the police though.
@joanimal
Bye! :D Have fun with…that thing you’re doing XD I assume it’s a videogame or something. /lack of knowledge.
…Team Fortress 2 has a really good webcomic based on it. With yaoi in it. Anyways. *cough*
I’m starting to think that yaoi is rule 34b.
“Anyway, I am off to let the faster younguns outscore me ”
I’ve been on site too long, I read that as “faster PENGUINS”.
LBT — that’s good at least! Not the nipples part, the one creep and then banned part.
WeeBoy — still alive is a start (full disclosure here, I’ve tried, more than once, and sometimes still alive is at good as it gets…hang in there, both of you).
Wtf about legal names and refusing to use them? Fuck, I’m used to transphobia being insistence on an unchanged legal name, not refusing to use the one on the ID. That’s a whole new level of fucked up! Not that it matters, but wtf did they call him then? Some previous name they found out in some creepy manner? Sorry, I’m prying, I just want to take a clue-by-4 to all involved cops, that’s fucked up. And the last thing a suicidal person needs, fucked up and potentially dangerous. (Sorry if my guess that your friend is trans* is wrong or inappropriate!)
joanimal — you’ve got a couple years on my parents then, but never mind that, good luck with your game!
Cassandra — rule 34b is slash, 34b.1 is yaoi.
Was that Voltaire? I thought it was a Founding Father.
I guess this little exodus to this site has done some good after all.
Clifford: Let’s boil this down.
From my reading, your fundamental argument seems to reduce to something like:
P1: Men desperately require sex with the person they want to have sex with,
P2: Men being denied sex is a fundamental violation of their rights and dignity, therefore
C1: It follows that a man must be permitted to have sex with whomsoever we wishes;
P3: Women will enjoy the sex/comfort/closeness, therefore
C2: No harm is done to the woman and the man is materially benefited;
P4: Women are deliberately denying men the opportunity for sex at no cost to themselves, therefore
C3: Women must be compelled by social force to comply with your desires.
Is this a mischaracterization of your argument? If so, please amplify and correct.
If this is a fundamentally correct representation, then we must conclude that,
1. You are willing to diminish women. Effectively reducing women from persons to tools to provide personal satisfaction – at worst the role of slaves, at best body servants, and in either case a less than fully human beings.
2. You are willing to diminish men by dehumanizing them as well. You deprive men of the opportunities for meaningful relationships with women (and no, you cannot have a meaningful relationship with tools).
3. That you accept these outcomes because you are too young/naive or too angry/bitter to explore the possibilities of anything else.
4. Either way, however, your position degrades the human dignity of women and men and is, rightfully, considered both hateful and abhorrent