Manosphere misogynists: Perpetually angry that women can say no?
Women: Not obliged to say “yes.”
I‘m beginning to wonder if every single complaint from manosphere misogynists comes back to their rage at the fact that women get to decide who can have sex with them. Take the following comment from MGTOWforums.com. The ostensible topic of conversation? A study reporting that women tend to feel more stressed than men at work. Watch how deftly MGTOWforums “senior member” 7 Deadly Sins turns the topic from “women in the workplace” to “my sad penis.”
They wanted to work so now they’re working. Oh work is too hard and stressing you out? Too bad. You wanted to be career whores, right ? Enjoy. If you give women what they ask for, they still want more. Who cares if they’re stressed out? They can always get dicked down and take some of the edge off. Men can’t get sex whenever they “feel” like it. Nobody cares what you whores think or feel any more.
Damn. That’s some pretty intense boner rage there, dude.
Posted on March 25, 2013, in antifeminism, boner rage, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, oppressed men, penises, whores, women shouldn't work and tagged mgtow, misogyny. Bookmark the permalink. 1,147 Comments.
@Bagelson:
What is your rationale for believing stealing is wrong?
How is that inconsistent if I hate them and still am dependent on them? A galley slave was also dependent on the captain of the ship, still he did hate him.
With “fundamental value” I mean it doesn’t follow from other values or factual beliefs.
Sure… but free will, though it may be difficult to define, is definitely neither random chance nor deterministic causation. But we don’t know of anything else in physics! And if a system consisting of three atoms is governed by the laws of physics, and there’s no holism, a system of 10²³ atoms will be governed by the same laws, which leave no room for anything else but deterministic causation and random chance.
No, really, what’s your rationale for hating women? Any of them enslaving you? Didn’t think so.
Just a garden variety wankstain mad that a woman’s not catering to your every whim.
Are women human? Why can’t I just hate them, I mean, I have this totally cerebral philosophy and some ethics that let me call vast swathes of people sheep and I can’t figure out why you have a problem with it.
I mean its not like we can see or quantify in absolute terms my racist, misogynistic and homophobic thoughts and actions have on both individuals and societies… Its not like there’s any empiracle evidence. Its not like we should consider that someone saying “ouch, that hurts” as reason enough to stop stepping on their foot.
@Bagelson: The distinction between ethics and values on the one side and factual beliefs on the other is very important, don’t ignore that
Factual beliefs can be changed by rational arguments, which means communication, engaging in a collective search for truth. This will only become an imposition of beliefs if you intentionally deceive, like by using false evidence.
What rubbish.
One can have ethics and values, and have issues which touch on them. The attendent beliefs can also be changed by evidence, as shown by the people in this thread who have explained that core beliefs of theirs have changed.
Belief isn’t extant in a vacuum. We have touchstone ideals, and when they interact with the world the bedrock will shape the overburden.
Shaming others to articulate beliefs is imposition of beliefs and an especially pernicious variant of it, I might add, because you’ll blind yourself and others to rational counterarguments.
Objection, assumes facts not in evidence. Some beliefs are shameful. Telling someone they should be ashamed for saying people who marry, “outside their race” are pigheaded assholes may not be completely politic, but it’s not morally wrong. It’s not even morally ambiguous.
But since moral nihilism is true,
It is? Evidence please.
Experiences of course influences ethical views and values, but you can’t force adults to make those, that would only breed anger and resistance. Like buyers of Findus 100% beef 100% horse lasagna weren’t happy for the opportunity to reconsider their attitudes about eating Horsey.
False Premise: Such a circumstance doesn’t provide an opportunity; it forces an experience.
And so it still stands that social norms or laws can’t make adults change their values and ethical views,
As said, the issue isn’t values/ethical views it’s social behavior. You can be a racist bigot all you like; so long as you don’t refuse to hire someone because they aren’t “x”. You are conflating beliefs with deeds.
I just wonder why complexity should magically make the brain behave radically different than ordinary matter, so that we can attribute a concept of causation to it that is completely unknown to physics.
Conflationary premises seem to be your stock in trade. Must be handy with the ill-informed.
The issue isn’t how the physics of the brain function, but how the nature of the abstract objects which it deals with are used. If you can show me the equations which are required for, “misogyny”, and how they can be manufactured outside a human brain, then you might have a functional argument. Until you do, you are (again) conflating two things.
IIRC the law doesn’t consider “victim was drunk” as a mitigating factor… why isn’t that enough?
Because, as you said above, the issue is social behavior. When a jury says, “not guilty” and the only mitigation offered was, “the victim was drunk”, that’s shameful. Making people ashamed/fear shame for being on such a jury is not a bad thing, since the shame is for not upholding the law/being a decent human being.
– To make a true Bavarian Cream you have to make a Creme Anglaise first, and this is a bit tricky (especially without a thermometer)
Dude… creme anglaise predates accurrate themometers. When I said it was simple it’s because it’s simple. I can practically do it in my sleep.
I already made a Linzer Torte, what’s so difficult about it?
A classic linzer is made with no flour, save that used in the crust. Keeping it from becoming either too dry, or from splitting in the course of being filled, that’s a matter of technique, trickier than creme anglaise.
Napoleon aka Mille-Feuille: so many easy variants with pre-made puff pastry
Right… see that’s it, you aren’t talking about making; but assembling. I’m talking about making.
Sort of like making real Danish, most people don’t even try.
But I don’t understand why you’re so upset, what’s so bad about moving the goalposts, somehow people here are especially paranoid about this “fallacy”… Is the problem that I don’t acknowledge the refutation (I acknowledge it, I’ll reconsider my position, there was too much stuff I’ve never heard about)? Or is it generally not allowed to concede something?
What’s wrong with it…? You aren’t “acknowleging the refutation”, you are pretending “the real issue” still hasn’t been addressed. It’s fundamentally dishonest; and not in the least careless (as you admit).
Actually my claim is much more nuanced.
Then share that, “nuance”.
@pecunium – *applauds* thank you for wading into that shitpile. My eyes were crossing trying to follow the pseudowank.
Wait, were we supposed to care what Jaro has to say?
That’s cheerful.
Anyway
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Your claim boils down to one big ol’ tone argument coupled with arrogance. If we were just nicer in stating we were human, people would REALLY come around and not just harbor the resentment you assume everyone else must have because it’s what you have. You think you’re so much better because you think you’re acting objectively, but you aren’t. What you’re saying isn’t new and it isn’t clever. It’s a fancy pants reiteration of the same ol’ misogyny.
You give yourself away with this:
You are basically saying that more marginalized people should be tasked with proving their humanity to the very people who would deny that they are human. And what’s really sad is you’re using a third rate book to do it. Poorly, I might add. That is tacit bullshit. If only because telling marginalized people to “prove” their humanity is yet another form of oppression (and also a silencing tactic, though one I’ll note you don’t seem to have a problem with).
Jaros: For a dude who is trying to present as one who has carefully weighed the issues… This is the best you can do?
Don’t you have the courage of your convictions? In any case, the retort that someone else needs to justify themself, when it’s your belief being question isn’t even a copout. It’s not an argument. It’s giving up (and no, the idea that x is justifiable, doesn’t mean that y is therefore also justifiable, esp when the two ideas are antithetical).
I hate them and still am dependent on them? A galley slave was also dependent on the captain of the ship, still he did hate him.
So you hate women because they are oppressing you, and holding you in absolute servitude; with the power of life and death?
Please explain how they do that.
“are women human?” are you arguing they aren’t?
If so you need to prove it.
If not, then what was the point of that small piece of, “nuance”?
WHAAAAAT?!
That made no sense, especially given how you’re all like “Well, people silencing misogyny is baaaaad” earlier. So should people only silence things you don’t agree with.
FTFY
now, I’m not really in the food conversation because I admit to being a horrible cook, but what kind of logic accepts both “Women are lazy for not buying whole chickens” and “traditional streuel is way too much work”. I mean, do you admit to being lazy here? Or can only women be lazy?
Anyway, I may have repeated stuff other people said, so sorry if I rehashed, but I’m not done catching up on the conversation yet.
Also, Jaro, now that you have admitted to knowing your a misogynist, which you know was crystal clear earlier anyway, why should any of us even give an inkling of a crap as to what you’re saying? And if you try to say “intellectual arguments” I will die laughing.
@Bagelson:
What is your rationale for believing stealing is wrong?
OMG! Hilarious!
Oh, wait, were you being serious?
Jaro, you’ve got to actually answer a question, not lamely duck out of the way.
STEALING IS WRONG BECAUSE IT HARMS OTHER PEOPLE. HATING WOMEN IS WRONG BECAUSE IT HARMS OTHER PEOPLE. IT IS THAT SIMPLE*
*well, I don’t think it’s actually that simple, but Jaro needs itty bitty baby steps. So it STARTS that simple.
You are not a slave. You are a privileged dickhead.
And I’m pretty sure the slave did not depend on the captain until HE WAS MADE A SLAVE. I’m pretty sure before that, he was just fine.
Come on now, ladies, we have to stop enslaving Jaro by not giving him sex on demand and refusing to make his Buche de Noel for him.
@Viscaria
Oh barf. >:( who wrote that? blah. Hate police. you’re right. so much less trust. Trust plummeting. Police, you already didn’t have any trust to lose from me, you’re like negative now. blah. blah. rant. rage.
@jaro
um, Jaro, I’m not sure how to break this to you but it was an expression… yeah I wasn’t actually trying to talk to God through the internet…I mean I’m not sure how to explain this one to you.
I would be a lot more fine with not silencing judgy bitch and people like her if they weren’t, oh yeah sending death threats at someone. I don’t care what the heck your politics are, no fucking threats. God*, this is like decent human being shit here, jaro, please get it together.
*also an expression. I never realized I had to clarify this stuff before meeting you :P
If you actually were depressed and some book helped you, congrats. If not, then ffs being sad =! depression. Words have meanings, Jaro.
Also, I am really curious the sort of argument one would need to make to argue that they’ll end up as genetically modified slaves of a dictator…yeah not seeing it.
Jaro: comes in, makes arguement.
everyone else: wait that argument had some major holes, responses/ mockery, depending on the boobzer.
jaro: bored now new topic.
short story: you change the subject whenever people bother to reply to your old one. Almost as if you are being dishonest, and aren’t actually trying to have a debate like I think you’re pretending.
*dies laughing*
okay jaro, I’m going to give you extreme benefit of doubt and you didn’t mean to imply that it is so obvious you should hate women it’s like asking why stealing is wrong. actually, no, I’m not. Go swallow a lego.
I love how in his view, women are not worthy of strudel made from scratch. That’s OK though, I don’t think a lot of women are lining up for his strudel in the first place.
@hellkell: I think the no-strudel-for-women was the most hilarious part! He’s like “you want my strudel? Well, you can’t have my strudel. ‘Cause you’re a girl. Wait, come back, I have strudel! …Pay attention to me!! STRUDEL!!!”
“Only toaster strudel for you, woman“
“Pseudo-Strudels for the Women” would be an excellent album title, though.
Jaro doesn’t care if we take him seriously. He’s just getting a thrill out of telling women how much he hates them (I’m not sure whether he believes it or not, but it’s a shitty thing to do to people either way).
I’m imagining an Incredible String Band/Fairport Convention-y psych-folk group.
At least we get to laugh at him? :shrugs: :D
Though if he’s bugging you, I’m all for ignoring him until he goes away. I mean, I’m not really invested in the matter either way.
I’m just amused at his, “Bavarian Creme is so hard… Struedel? OMFG NO! Too Much Work!!!!!”
Never mind that it was “little old ladies” who taught me how to lay out the tablecloth and work the dough for struedel and phyllo; as well as a woman who taught me the technique for real danish.
But when it comes to mille fueille, that’s tote’s easy because you can buy the pastry pre-made.
But getting a cut up chicken (or parts) is so fucking lazy that women are destroying the planet by doing it. Never mind that a lot of the parts are chopped out because the back and wings are used for making canned soup. Yes, there is a market for selling cheap cuts of meat on the cheap to impoverished nations, but that’s not because women are buying skinless breasts of chicken, it’s because there is money to be made doing it.
Since there is money to be made, MEN* are making the decision to exploit people. But Struedel… that’s hard dudes, too hard for him (the guy who needs a thermometer to make Creme Anglaise. I’ll bet he uses a bain marie for his hollandaise too, and a blender for mayonnaise).
*unless Jaros can show me the executives at Tyson, Empire, etc. who made the decisions which led to that secondary market are women, then I’m going to blame the men at the top. They are the CEOs, that means they get the responsibility/blame as well as the millions of dollars a year. Accountability, it’s not just for women anymore.
Swallow a cactus, Jaro.
And now I want strudel, or maybe a nice cheese danish. So many Man Boobz discussions end up just making me hungry.
Anyone got a good phyllo how to? I’d love to learn how to make a more challenging pastry!
Yum!
Pecunium: According to our MRA shitwits, women don’t have any accountability, and that’s what has their nuts in an uproar.
*reads Jaro’s comments*
… da fuq did I just read?
More interesting than Jaro’s ever been: we had hot cross buns for lunch (it being Good Friday here). nom nom nom
:)
His understanding of moral nihilism is… interesting, to say the least. I mean, he takes it as a given, which is… also interesting. But then even accepting it as a given, moral nihilism doesn’t mean that imposing your view on others is the only evil left in the world. It just… doesn’t. I’m not an expert on moral nihilism, obviously, though I’ve been flirting with it ever since I left religion. But that’s a messed up view of it.
Pretty much like everything he says. He knows just enough about everything to screw it up.
Oh, god, it’s Steele, isn’t it?
On rage boners, Ihaven’t seen that anyone has linked to this explanation: http://oglaf.com/punching/
Why am I a slave? Because my so called class”mates” laugh at me behind my back, all the while they send ahead the female ones to flirt with me and steal my work? Because I have to work with girls who don’t seem to grasp the concept of operator-precedence and think that predator-prey models are “really not cute”? Because said girls still ace the course cause they sleep with the prof all semester?
Believe me, if it weren’t for the bottle of Jim Beam, I hide between my textbooks, and Xanax, I couldn’t make it through the day.
Why am I a slave? Because my girlfriend has more body hair than me but desperate and horny me assured her “no, I’m ok with that, you are beautiful”? Because all my desserts went to my girlfriends hips, but I still can’t dump her? Because I couldn’t bear her constant soul-destroying nagging without the help of my friends Xanie and Jimmy? Because the last time I wanted to have sex with a girl who doesn’t look like Chewbacca, I had to spend what I make in a whole month? Because when Chewie found out, she hit me with my double-boiler and it sent her into superbitch-mode for months?
I guess that’s all you need to know about my life.
Oh, yes, the other arguments. You’re right. I was wrong. As long as you still allow me to bigotly decide solely on the basis of my prejudices, who gets which desserts, perhaps we can get along. Good bye.
PS: I guess I’ll try to make a phyllo now too, but I’ll use it for a börek. You spoiled the streudel for me. And I’ll eat this börek all by myself. All by myself.
Wow, I’ve been skipping Jaro’s comments, but now I see that I’m missing out. It’s like performance art. I particularly like the part where he’s a slave because his girlfriend got mad at him for having sex with another woman. In a just world, she would just accept that he has to sleep with other women, because she’s ugly! But he can’t just break up with her, because reasons.
Uhh…anyone else thinking that Jaro might want to get some counseling for that abusive relationship and brewing drug/alcohol problem, and stop blaming all women for his GF hitting him with kitchen appliances?
Also, sock? Of our “favorite” one? Jaro, do you have a morning height?
Fascinating whine, would skim and snicker at for a moment again.
katz — point noted about just dumping her, but I’m not inclined to go blaming anyone for getting hit with anything, even if they are a royal asshole.
Jaro the only thing you’re a slave to is your self pity. Do your girlfriend a favor and break up with her if you find her so repulsive. And maybe talk to a consellor about the other shit going on in your life.
Sounds rather like a Governments Get Girlfriends sock to me. And can someone explain the dessert thing?
Argenti: You’re right, my bad. Regardless of your behavior, your SO shouldn’t hit you with things.
I’m surprised JaroAl’s imaginary girlfriend hasn’t dumped him.
Since socks don’t actually need food I’ve decided to use my feminazi power to confiscate Jaro’s boreks. If anyone else wants one I’m happy to share.
[raises hand] Borek, please!
::does quick Wiki read::
Spinach and feta, hold the pepper, please! :)
They’re actually pretty easy to make, if anyone wants one and they’re not available locally.
If borek specifically wasn’t, spanakopita certainly would be in Melbourne, with our big Greek population.
Jaro: Why am I a slave? Because my so called class”mates” laugh at me behind my back, all the while they send ahead the female ones to flirt with me and steal my work?
Even if this is true, it’s not slavery.
I have to work with girls who don’t seem to grasp the concept of operator-precedence and think that predator-prey models are “really not cute”? Because said girls still ace the course cause they sleep with the prof all semester?
The first part has been addressed. The second (allegations of sex for grades) needs proof. You don’t have it.
Why am I a slave? Because my girlfriend has more body hair than me but desperate and horny me assured her “no, I’m ok with that, you are beautiful”? Because all my desserts went to my girlfriends hips, but I still can’t dump her?
Your self debasement (the act of denying your want’s/desires) isn’t her fault, and it’s not slavery.
Because the last time I wanted to have sex with a girl who doesn’t look like Chewbacca, I had to spend what I make in a whole month? Because when Chewie found out, she hit me with my double-boiler and it sent her into superbitch-mode for months?
Wow… that your partner took offense at you for cheating on her = slavery? This is a defnition I’d not previously encountered.
I wonder how JarAl found the word anyway. Maybe he googled “things to do with pre-made pastry”.
Oh, POOR YOU.
Take some fucking responsibility for your life and stop acting like shit just happens to you with you making choices.
Grow the fuck up.
If this is AL, at least he can’t claim he never had a girlfriend. Someone didn’t spit on him. Why, I don’t know.
He still doesn’t know what the hell slavery is.
All I know is that trolls of any variety/identity don’t deserve either sympathy or pastry. His request for both is denied.
Pass some of that pastry, thanks.
Oh wow jaro’s comment.
I am going against my better judgement and am going to try to dig through all that crap.
re: jaro’s ‘why am I a slave’ shitstain of a comment. Also my fixes will be in bold
Okay Jaro, words have meaning. being laughed at != being a slave. and uh, since this is classmates, how can they steal your work? or do you mean copying you (I was assuming taking jobs you wanted).
…citation needed. Also, again, words have meaning, teaching women (I’m assuming you’re talking about tutoring people, though if this is a college thing I’m probably oblivious) is something you chose to do. The feminist conspiracy is not making you teach women. Since you are actually choosing this, no one is making you tutor women, you are not a slave! ffs, words have meanings, and you’re just wanking about how your supposedly bad life is like slavery and it is the hugest lack of perspective ever.
citation needed. Stop speculating about other people’s sex lives, creepo, it’s none of your business.
if that is an achoholic drink, I’m assuming it is, you probably should get help for that, if you’re actually dependent. I’m not experienced in this, so anyone else feel free to chime in.
man. What do I know. All the fail here. A women having more body hair than you, dear jaro != slavery. God you are dense. Also, if you do not want to sleep with her, do not sleep with her. it is not that hard.
no one is stopping you from dumping her, dude.
Stereotype central! Also, lots of times it seems like ‘nagging’ is just asking guys to do stuff they said they would do. In my world, this is a reminder, and may actually be something one wants to be reminded of, but
menzMEN are all above this. Also, one of the examples of supposed nagging I’ve actually seen was my dad’s girlfriend having him go to the doctor because his side was getting infected and he had shingles and still wasn’t going to the doctor! Keeping men alive, women’s job now?(to be fair, he didn’t know he had shingles before he went to the doctor, and, big part, doesn’t whine about his girlfriend nagging him when she’s just showing concern, because he, unlike you Jaro, is not a sexist bag of shit not worthy to be in my fucking garbage can)
*sigh* again with the hairy women is equal to slavery shit. God jaro at least get original.
Wait, spend what you make in a month? People are paying you? You aren’t actually a slave with little to no control over your own life?
yeah, I thought so.
Is chewie your girlfriend? can you tell her to say hi to han for me?
Okay, gonna post and clear my head, see if I can finish dissecting his shitstain later.
It’s just occurred to me, my whole comment to jaro could have been summarized as ‘slavery does not work that way’
As a Star Wars fan I must object to this flagrant misuse of one of my favorite character.
(From Spaceballs – Half man, half dog, he’s his own best friend!)
LOL, I absolutely love Spaceballs.
Here’s a song for Jaro’s imaginary GF:
Also, sorry, but after the Chewbacca comment I have to…
Imagine if those guys had been totally lacking in self-awareness. You might end up with something a lot like Jaro.
Bloodhound Gang has always appealed to my inner 12 year old.
And Marie wins teh internetz!
Should I take it as a compliment to be compared to Chewie? I mean, I do shave some, but probably not enough for Jaro. Anyway, it’s not a bad comparison, Chewie’s pretty strong, and I’d like to be stronger. (would be strength training if I knew a way that wouldn’t hurt my back/ weren’t so lazy.)
@kittehs
Yay! My very first internet! :D *does a happy dance*
Imagine if he really was dating Chewbacca, some of the women in his class might be geeks, and they might talk to him rather than spitting on him during the rare moments that they’re not busy banging their professor!
@cassandrasays
I don’t know, I think I’d rather skip the guy and go straight to talking to chewbacca XD Though according to mra’s I probably just want to sleep with him (chewie) because he’s alpha or something.
@ hellkell
Bloodhound Gang totally appeals to my inner tween.
You have to admit that Chewie is the superior conversationalist.
Chewbacca is totes alpha.
“if that is an achoholic drink, I’m assuming it is, you probably should get help for that, if you’re actually dependent. I’m not experienced in this, so anyone else feel free to chime in.”
1) yes Jim Bean is booze
2) booze + benzos = bad idea
2b) Xanax, like my Ativan, is a benzo
3) booze + benzos – goodnight, I’m going to pass out now = tolerance
So yes, he should get help for that. I’m also curious on the Xanax though, that’s easier to obtain illegally than legally it seems
If this is our never-ending sock, THIS is his anthem:
@argenti aertheri
Thanks for info :) I just didn’t want to leap to conclusions, since, like I said, I don’t know much about it. (heck, I didn’t even know if jim bean was booze).
The Avalanches? Are they the blaring avalanche mentioned in the latest post? :O
blaring avalanche? did i miss part of a thread?