How to Hate and Envy Every Single Person in the World, PUAhate edition
Some guys get all the chicks
The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before – are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.
As one PUAhater put it recently:
PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong
the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it
So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.
But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.
Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.
One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:
To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?
Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.
Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.
But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)
The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.
Posted on March 19, 2013, in creepy, disgusting women, drama kings, entitled babies, evil fat fatties, incel, irony alert, misogyny, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, PUA, racism and tagged misogyny, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 1,520 Comments.
Looksie, one simple explanation.
All those evo sciences you put s much faith in, they explain human behaviour in the broadest of terms (as in all of humanity). Any decent evo scientist will tell you that A) a brush so broad as an entire species has absOlutly no ability to predict the behavior or motivation of any given individual, B) that evo psych has problems with being developed with an unconcious western and racist bias that they have to be very careful of when trying to design even the simplest theories/experiments and C) there are major conflicts in in eco psych theories when they try to match those theories against sociology, anthropology, biology, archeology etc etc.
Evo psych may indeed have some interesting things to teach, but as a field it has a long way to go before it becomes an accepted and reputable field.
I’m going to say something and I want it to be clear that I do not intend to engage in any virgin-shaming. And I want to make that clear to the regular posters and lurkers because I don’t really care what Looks_Law thinks.
Ahem* You are obviously dealing from a lack of real-world experience in dating/attraction/human romantic and sexual interaction. Because of this you are truly incapable of understanding the complexities of human romantic/sexual relationships. The fact that you insist on refering to it, exclusively, as “mating” pretty much proves how little you know. I know that you think you understand science but you don’t. Human beings are some of the few animals that engage in sex purely for pleasure. “Mating” often has nothing to do with it. In fact we actively try not to procreate. Do you understand?
I am not a peahen. I’m not a firefly or a lioness or even a bonobo. I am an animal. I am also sentient, self-aware and, like all of humanity, I am as shaped by history and culture as I am by hormones and genetics.
We are not lions, peacocks, or fireflies. Chew on that for a bit and get back to me
^^
but we are animals, just like lions peacocks and flies
Looks_Law has done a great job of trolling these comments. David probably thinks it’s all real, and writing another super serious blog post.
Seriously, David, why don’t ya head on over to the Onion and get some real news.
Here I go to sleep and I miss the addition of “Science Troll” to Manboobz. I’m really wondering what’s up with the capitalization of science in his postings, it’s not a proper noun and yet he’s using it the same way Christianity or Utah is used.
@Looks_Law
I think you’re missing the point that all animals are complex and the features for mate selection you’re referencing in animals are just one of the factors. Let’s take my favorite example, the noble hyena. Among hyenas the females definitely choose their mate (and if you’ve read anything about hyena sex and birth you’d agree they’ve got a right to be picky) and as a rule of thumb they choose submissive males. But it’s not the only feature being rated, there’s also health, fur patterns, the male’s status among other males, how the male interacts with hyena pups, and probably other factors that are opaque to the outside observer. It’s not just one factor.
The long and the short of it is that the more complex the species and the more social it is the more complex and hard to pin down their mate selection will be.
Now as to the golden ratio… nice try. There’s no question that human beings find the ratio visually appealing and that it appears a fair bit in nature. But here’s the funny thing, if you alter the image of a human face to completely follow the ratio and symmetry you plunge headlong into the uncanny valley.
“Hey, you give me pants feelings, wanna go out?”
That’s how it’s done.
I don’t set up a bower and dance. I don’t scratch a bare spot in the jungle floor and imitate every sound I hear.
Hell, I don’t even play you the song of my people.
And it don’t matter who asks the question, the other person (regardless of gender) gets to say yes or no.
QFT, but of course doofus sockpuppet will simply ignore this and continue masturbating all over the thread.
I would like to see him incorporate the word “mating” into his attempts to pick up women in clubs. I would also like him to record the results and post them on YouTube.
Humans are not merely animals, though. Things might be less complicated if we were. Our animal being/nature/history is necessary but not sufficient to explain NASCAR and Surrealism and fusion cooking and Hollywood and Esperanto and Eskimo poetry, to say nothing of courtship and mating.
And, by the by, you meant to write “fool proof” up there. And there simply is no wholly quantitative way to explain human behavior. Only fools think there is.
And our point is that it’s far more fucking complicated that your little vending machine scenario, duder.
Looksie, what makes you think that there is onle one mechanism to human mating? No human society is so totally stable that only one mechanism is needed.
We’re mocking misogyny dipshit. That’s the whole point of the blog. Don’t like it? Go start your own blog where you mock the mocking of misogyny.
We are animals. Lions, peacocks and fireflies are also animals.
But there’s no “just like” there. We’re most closely related to chimpanzees and gorillas and bonobos, but there’s still no “just like” there.
David, why do you have such trouble identifying obvious trolling? It’s called “Shitty Advice”. They give shitty advice. Are you really that stupid that you think it’s all real?
^^^
please tell me that this isnt the real Ross Jeffries? a fucking PUA.
As we are identical to peacocks and flies, I don’t see what Looks’s problem is. Regardless of his face or body type, all he has to do is walk up to a woman, fan out his magnificent tail feathers, vomit his enzymes onto some discarded food and he’s good to go!
Another part of the confirmation bias that is skewing your thinking here is that you insist on the case set of PUhaters as being composed of a non-homogeneous grouping of individuals. And then you insist that their singular, anecdotal experiences mean that the case set of all women is homogeneous and universal.
It becomes pointless to poke Looks_Law if he will not admit that in a man (M) approaching a woman (A) he *chose* not to approach the other women (B, C, D).
Yes, A had the choice of kiss/not kiss M.
But M has already made the choices *not kiss B* *not kiss C* *not kiss D*
B,C, and D did not have any choice whatsoever. They were rejected when M approached A.
Until Looks_Law can concede this point, I will find him disappointingly unentertaining.
(Note: Kiss is a simplified version of interact. These are theoretical entities, not real people.)
Here’s what I don’t understand. Say it was a fact of biology that blah blah, all the stuff he’s waffling about. So? So what if women do the picking? If it’s SCIENCE and innate then it can’t be changed, so what’s the point whinging about it?
(Please note that this is not SCIENCE, it is PETULANCE.)
When was the last time a peacock made risotto with peas and mint, picked the perfect viogner to go with it, and cued up some Louis C.K. on Netflix because he and his peahen wanted a quiet evening in?
Ignoring the CHOICE the guy makes in asking HER rather than someone else..
…my last relationship happened when I took my head out of my ass and realized I was being romantically pursued by a co-worker. Took a clue-by-four to make me realize it, but I did. So yeah, MY choice to date her, her choice to persue me. Before that, someone else had expressed an interest in me, but I simply wasn’t interested back, despite being closer to an incel nice guy whiner back then. My choice.
Relationships take two people. BOTH have a choice, as it should be.
I’m trying to figure out what the fly or peacock equivalent of Mr C asking me if I want beef or pork roast for dinner is.
I can’t figure out why this kid is even fucking here. Well, I mean, besides the obvious: getting attention.
If everything they say is true, all of it – every bit, then there’s nothing that can be done and they’ve found/created the perfect online community. Why are you bothering us?
“We’re mocking misogyny dipshit. That’s the whole point of the blog. Don’t like it? Go start your own blog where you mock the mocking of misogyny.”
Are you really that scared of being mocked? Haha. A blogger falls hook, line and sinker for troll posting, and treats it like it’s real. Holy shit, I need to check this guy’s archives to see if he’s looked on 4chan and found anything that needs super serious critical analysis.
Starskita,
the main point is that women choose the mate.
Men simply present themsleves as possible mates, but whether or not they actually become the final mate is dependant on the woman.
Men do the asking out
Me approach
Men initiate the kiss
Men initiate a seond date
Men initiate sex
In all spheres a woman is presented with options and CHOOSES whether or not to move forward.
Men do not choose a mate. I challenge this. Women CHOOSE who they want to be approached by, through various signals. If you do not get these signals you shouldnt approach!!! Which is why Im so against PUA’s because they completely ignore the fact that there is inequality, leagues, hypergamy and selective mating and that a man should first judge whether or not he is attractive enough to approach( something he will find out once he is given signals to approach)
My man bought me a pair new pair of slippers (in the shape of sheep) because he knows my feet get cold at his house and I wear cow slippers at my house. I’m wondering if this is the equivalent of fighting his rivals to death to prove dominance or killing all of my existing offspring to ensure that only his genetic line survives.
I’m just kidding; I don’t have any offspring.
If everything they say is true, all of it – every bit, then there’s nothing that can be done and they’ve found/created the perfect online community. Why are you bothering us?
^^^
WHY ARE YOU BOTHERED BY US?
@kiki,
You know, you have a good point. I know that when I got together with my significant other, I had noticed him due to the extremely long tail feathers and flashing light on his behind. As he moved in circles and roared while picking up shiny objects from the ground and using spit to fasten them into a shelter, I approached him on first sight of the mating ritual.
Later that night we mated, were married, and I settled into the shelter to gestate our eggs as he killed small rodents and brought them to me to sustain the gestation.
Once the eggs hatch, we plan on catching bugs, chewing them, and vomiting them into the babies’ mouths. To teach them to walk, we will have the babies sit on our feet and keep warm under our feathers.
For the next mate, I intend to release a million eggs into pond water.
I think the sheep slippers probably represent his willingness to hunt food for you should you become pregnant. He figured that since you already had a cow you might appreciate some variety in your sole’s diet.
@Nobinayamu You had me up to the Louis C.K. You want to come over and make risotto (I have four kinds of mint and some fresh frozen peas from last year’s garden) and I’ll supply the wine. Throw in Eddie Izzard instead of Louis and we’ve got a date…
What’s the over/under on who Looks is socking for?
Wow. I… didn’t count on a near complete lack of reading comprehension.
This blog is for mocking misogyny. The host finds examples of misogyny and posts them so that they can be mocked. We, the readers, then mock it. Quite often trolls show up to protest the mockery and then we mock them. That’s just kind of how it works.
And you can go right to puahate and see that it’s multiple posters in multiple threads posting a lot of shit that’s worthy of mocking.
We aren’t afraid of being mocked because we aren’t posting on puahate and begging for their attention.
See how that works?
You delusional, self-absorbed, whiny ass titty baby: we mock misogyny. Nobody is bothered by you, we want to make fun of you for being misogynistic dumb fucks.
Looksie, you came here to piss in our pond. Go back and whine in you mom’s basement if you just want validation.
Nobinayamu, was that you who posted a satirical bit about men being pulled in against their will to approach certain women? Yeah. Looks, the fact that ze was able to accurately predict your BS should tell you just how pathetic your comment really is.
I love Eddie Izzard so it’s a date!
That actually makes a lot sense. I thought maybe he was just tired of me stealing his socks.
I’m all for having chickens. I’ve kept them. I like them. Banties, and full-sized. Silkies, and Sultans, and Cochins, and Orpingtons, and Red Star (they are the prettiest cocks). They are pretty much the only way I know to keep Bamboo from taking over a yard.
There should also be guinea pigs, and Icelandic horses. I suggest we take over Catalina Island.
re the large penis: I’ve known women who are fond of size. Not so much length (though that’s part of it) but absolute volume.
But most women I know of don’t think size is that big a deal. Too big is a problem (being told of someone who was too large to suck, and too large to really go to town with; and the frustrations that caused) as is too small (I believe the comparison was to a thumb; and the frustration was that putting it back in happened too often to get a good rhythm going).
If any of my lovers has had serious complaints (too large/small) they’ve not mentioned it.
GT: I don’t know what you mean by, “involuntarily celibate”*, so it’s hard to address, but I’ll try.
Everyone has chunks of time they are not getting laid. They also have chunks of time they are not in romantic relationships. Depending on how their lives are organised these can overlap in odd ways.
I was involuntarily without sex in 2003/2004 because I was quite some distance from my partner (I only had one at the time). I might even go so far as to say that, were had I met someone I was interested in from 14 Feb 2003, to 27 Jun, 2003, I would have been involuntarily abistinent (even with the caveat in the footnote below) because it was a crime for me to have sex with anyone†, but I don’t think that’s what you mean.
When I was younger I was an abject failure at getting interest from the women I was interested in. If I’d been fixated on that I’d probably have been a virgin until I was in my twenties.
In 1994-1995 I was sexless, and romanceless for about 11 months. Some of that was my own choice. I was coming off a really bad breakup, and wasn’t all that interested in romance. I wasn’t against the idea of sex, but the mindset I was in wasn’t great for that. I wasn’t looking for romance, which meant any interest I might have had was in no-strings flings. Since I wasn’t hitting bars/clubs/sex parties, that wasn’t all that likely. The people I was hanging out with were likely to become romantic if we got together, so we didn’t.
It wasn’t my exes “fault”. It certainly wasn’t the fault of the women I was spending time with/passing interested in. It was what it was.
When I did come to a place where romance was again an option; so that I wasn’t refusing to express interest in women who might become interested in more than just fucking, it still didn’t change for awhile. Why? Because the women I was spending time with weren’t interested. That’s the way it goes.
These “incels” aren’t accepting that. They are blaming the world for not getting laid/having a partner. They are seething pits of rage and hate. They have a false belief that they deserve sex/partners. Nope. No one deserves it. We earn it, by being attractive to someone else. They are ugly; not in looks, but in being. That’s their problem. That’s why they can’t get laid. It’s not “involuntary” because no one owes them shit.
*I happen to hate this use of the word celibate to mean not getting sex, the word ought to be abstinent, and even at that, involuntary wouldn’t count; since both abstinence, and celibacy are volitional acts, but I digress
† I was deployed, and General Order Number One was in effect, no alcohol, no sex. Court Martial Offenses, Felonious, with a Bad Conduct Discharge, Loss of all Benefits and Entitlements, Reduction to the Lowest Enlisted Grade.
*Sigh*
It was. And these dudes are really unoriginal and very predictable.
Oh god didn’t we just have this conversation?
“We aren’t afraid of being mocked because we aren’t posting on puahate and begging for their attention.”
Yes, some of you are.
You can be mocked wherever you post, like here, where I am mocking you, successfully.
I wonder how many more blog entries and thousands of comments devoted to PUAhate before people realize they swallowed the troll bait.
And what are these mysterious, various signals that force men to be chosen?
Are all men born with a CVIand compelled to obey, and I have but to gracefully wave a hand like Taelons do? Or is it more like Harry Potter where there’s a precise incantaion and highly controlled movements required?
You know, folks, I think that Looksie and Ross Jeffiepoo are really more interested in talking to each other than they are in talking to any of us. Looksie’s problem really is with the false consciousness being set up and enforced by Jeffiepoo and his ilk, while Looksie’s hysterical self loathing, at the same time, represents the only significant measurable accomplishment of the puey ‘philosophy.
After all, women really don’t matter to puers; we’re just baubles to hang on their pea-cocking for each other. Only other men matter, as either competition, disciples, or totems of the abject to taunt each other with (and, in the dark watches of the night, to fear becoming, because the derision of other males is what they fear more than rejection by women, though it is what that rejection stands in for).
“Looksie, you came here to piss in our pond. Go back and whine in you mom’s basement if you just want validation.”
Comments are open to everybody, even those who want to piss in your pond and upset your very delicate ecosystem. Perhaps you should learn to adapt to the world outside your little pond?
Or at least lighten the fuck up, and learn to recognize troll comments when you see them, LOL.
Shorter Ross Jeffries: “Another troll is getting more attention than me! Must wave arms more frantically — mommymommymommymommy look at meeeeeeeeeeee!!!!”
For lookie-loo:
I’m happy that we could bring Looksy and Ross together. Hopefully this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Yo, Ross, piss off.
Who?
I’ve been reading through some of the threads because it’s wildly entertaining and a little bit sad. But I have no interest in posting there because I: 1)am not a troll and 2) I respect that it’s a community with it’s own rules and ideas (however ridiculous) and I don’t have anything of value to add to their environment.
So, again, who? Provide the links.
@starskita Oh, so offbeat and romantic!
We decided to go the route where the male patted out a hollow, bowl-shaped acoustic chamber in the earth of the the jungle floor and then sat in it, burping. We intend to produce exactly one egg, which we will sit on when we remember, and which will promptly be eaten by a cat. We thought it best reflected our traditional views of marriage.
For the next mating opportunity we’re going to turn the dial up to 11 and acquire a sneaker male. Of course, if I die, my SO will just have to put on a few pounds and become female, but we should be fine as long as a moray eel doesn’t eat all of the eggs.
#meetcute #offbeatbride
I’ve been asked out by women at least twice. Perhaps more but I was too oblivious to realize.
I’ve been at a club and have a woman walk up to me and ask what I’m drinking.
No, my first kiss only happened because the woman asked if I’d like to.
I have never weighed less than 220 pounds in my adult life. I’m tall, but not tall enough for my weight.
Sweet baby Hay-sus, another fucking moron.
If this is what success looks like for you, I’d hate to see failure.
“Finding Nemo” skates blithely over the fact that that, in clownfish society, upon the death of the dominant female, the dominant male grows larger, changes sex and takes her place (with any secondary male assuming the place of the dominant male). By rights, Marlin and Dory’s journey should have been an epic lesbian love story, or at the very least a Thelma and Louise pastiche. I AM CONSTANTLY ANNOYED THAT THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.
“Yo, Ross, piss off.”
Why so butthurt?
“I’ve been at a club and have a woman walk up to me and ask what I’m drinking.”
And you took that as her hitting on you? You misogynist. Can’t a girl ask what someone is drinking without disgusting men assuming they want a piece of ass.
No wonder he’s impressed with Looksy’s trolling skills.
You know, as long as we’re discussing animal mating behaviors…
http://www.roxydrew.com/?p=155
Why are our trolls too stupid to figure out how to quote?
I took that as a woman approaching me. Not necessarily hitting on me but certainly interacting with me when not strictly required for her to do so.
@pillow Nope, Fibinachi nailed it. You roll a d20 attack against the ‘lucky lady’ standing there on the dance floor, add your bonus for Intelligence (giggle) or Wisdom (chortle) as applicable (must…stop…laughing…long enough…to finish…typing) and set the difficulty modifier as whatever the difference is between her attractiveness quotient and yours. Oh, and you need to roll an additional d6 for each girlfriend around her to determine how many hit points you’ll lose to female group giggling or the EWWWWW attack.
Then she gets to make a d20 saving throw. A natural 20 means she falls to her knees and blows you there on the dance floor, anything else is a fail due to the EVIL BITCHEZ!!!
See, if you deny the “principles” of LSM or PUA it’s because you don’t understand anything about how flirting, sexual attraction/chemistry, and dating work.
Their not mysterious idiots!
Signals such as Initiating conversation with you, maybe she meets you at a party and keeps making inviting eye contact and smiling, standing near you, positive inviting body language….things that show you that she’s attracted to you and open to conversation.
When a woman doesn’t want you, YOU’ll KNOW because she’ll seek to put up a wall between you and her.
Not making eye contact, not speaking to you, not noticing you exist at all. This should tell you that she DOESN’T WANT YOU.
PUA’s sell a myth that you should approach all women.
NO! You should know your League and only approach women that clearly want you to, if NO women signal an interest then You NEVER approach.
Works for everybody.
Women only get the men their attracted to, Nobody gets hurt from rejections because some doofus approaches a woman who has ZERO interest in him.
A question for those who believe members of PUAhate are incapable of attracting women they desire because of their ‘mental state’, ‘social problems’, ‘misogyny’ or ‘personality’.
How comes the most attractive members of PUAhate (Sugar, Macimate, Starcloud) all have pictures verifying they can get attractive women? While they least attractive members (Jsanza29) are mostly virgins?
Looks matter brah.
She was probably hitting on you. I’ve used the random-yet-venue-specfic apprach with men. It’s just a nice way to get a conversation going.
Yeah, in retrospect. At the time I was entirely oblivious and just thought she wanted to know what I was drinking.
Jeffiepoo, block quotes really aren’t that difficult. I’m sure you can manage it.
We recognize them, but what you can’t quite seem to recognize is that this is light. We like poking trolls, this is what we come here for. This is fun.
And he’s as welcome to comment as you are (since if you two aren’t the same person, you might as well be), but if you can’t take the poking, you can take your sock and go jerk off with it in your mommy’s basement. We won’t miss you. Another troll will come along to amuse us; you’re all pretty much interchangeable that way.
hellkell: These are quotes:” “. That’s how you quote correctly. Apparently the readers of this site depend more on having a stylesheet to distinguish the end of a quote rather than the correct closing quotation mark from the English language.
I suggest you read more books and newspapers, and less blog comments, and the correct form will become more natural to you.
Ross: how does it feel to fail so hard? I’ve always wondered.
Lookit, it tried to neg me.