How to Hate and Envy Every Single Person in the World, PUAhate edition
Some guys get all the chicks
The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before – are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.
As one PUAhater put it recently:
PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong
the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it
So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.
But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.
Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.
One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:
To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?
Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.
Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.
But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)
The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.
Posted on March 19, 2013, in creepy, disgusting women, drama kings, entitled babies, evil fat fatties, incel, irony alert, misogyny, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, PUA, racism and tagged misogyny, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 1,520 Comments.
I do love the fact that these guys think “hot people find it easier to get laid than people who are less hot” is some sort of fascinating new theory that the rest of the world just isn’t brave enough to engage with.
Hah, I don’t hate women , I just don’t delude myself by idealizing them like the manginas do. And all those happy couples are only like that because they’re still in the honeymoon stage, but once it’s gone, inevitable 180-degree reversal! Love of the romantic variety is just a desperate delusion anyway and what we call “true love” are individuals who were lucky enough to find someone else with a mutually compatible delusion that could effectively sustain a mutually reinforcing collective hysteria.
I notice that list omits Tommy Lee Jones, Chris Rock, Charles Bronson, Ray Winstone, Samuel L Jackson, Daniel Day Lewis, Matt Smith, Benedict Cumberbatch and a couple of dozen others with faces better described as characterful rather than cosmetically attractive. None of them “male model” material. Might I also add that I find Patterson and Depp not. at. all. physically attractive, I don’t know them so I can’t say whether I’d find them appealing in person.
There’s more to attractiveness or charisma of a person than a physical appearance that attracts attention generally.
Looks_Law is like a textbook example of what’s going on over at puahate, ya’all. Seriously. Now here’s somebody who is demonstrably stupid; he doesn’t understand science, history, or culture. He’s angry, self-pitying, hypocritical and understands almost nothing about about sex and sexual chemistry and interaction.
But he’s decided to come here and lecture us about the “truth”.
It naturally follows that he’s unsuccessful with women because he’s not a wealthy male model.
My current guy is too tall and lanky, embarrassingly skinny no matter how much he eats, has really bad skin due to a terrible acne problem in his teens, and has a medical condition that causes him to sweat anytime an air conditioner isn’t blasted at him. There is nothing about him that is “conventionally attractive.” I’m with him because he’s smart, and funny, and adorably sweet. He’s kind, not in the “meets minimum standards way” but in going out of his way to help everyone. He wooed me by asking my thoughts on a political situation, and followed up with some really insightful commentary of his own. I slept with him on the first date because he talked about the books he enjoys and why he enjoys them.
These guys never get it. You can be “ugly” on the outside, and the most handsome man I ever met. You can be drop dead gorgeous, and the most hideous man I ever met. Its not about your looks, its about your words and actions.
Survey says… BULLSHIT!!!
Maybe I should clarify that the physiognomists postulated that Africans were dumber than Europeans, because their racism was bigger than just dissing on slaves. Sorry.
I wonder if this little dose of attention will hold him over for a few months.
Tommy Lee Jones, Chris Rock, Charles Bronson, Ray Winstone, Samuel L Jackson, Daniel Day Lewis, Matt Smith, Benedict Cumberbatch
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because all these guys are male leads in popcorn flicks watched by the masses right? RIGHT?
And we’re here to mock misogyny. Nobody cares about puahate except that it provides a lot of examples of misogyny that are worthy of mockery.
If you and the rest of your echo chamer want to spend time with each other online convincing yourselves that you’ll never ever be in a relationship because of the LMS theory you’ve invented, you go right ahead. Have fun.
We’re going to mock you.
Everybody wins.
Three words: Steubenville. Assange. Clinton.
Q E muthafuckin’ D.
Movies are not the only media, dipshit.
My other how could you leave him off the list what’s wrong with you guy. And he’s tall too! Though I guess the new cutoff has been moved to 6 ft so maybe he’s an inch or two too short.
Looks_Law is like a textbook example of what’s going on over at puahate, ya’all. Seriously. Now here’s somebody who is demonstrably stupid; he doesn’t understand science, history, or culture. He’s angry, self-pitying, hypocritical and understands almost nothing about about sex and sexual chemistry and interaction.
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Teach me then dear wizard?
You tell me How humans? ( Mammals in the animal kingdom select mates according to SCIENCE)?
Hey Looks? Can you hear my derisive laughter over there?
Seriously dude, I have no idea what you look like, but if this is how you really think, what makes you think that your thoughts aren’t a pervasive stench to every woman you meet?
Imma just keep poking this troll, seeing as the rage and straw women he keeps throwing about makes it impossible to have a convo with him.
I give it a week.
Speaking of wizards, don’t people find the kid from Harry Potter kind of cute now that he’s an adult? He’s pretty tiny too.
(Too young for me.)
Admitting your ignorance is a good first step.
All kidding aside, I’m not interested in explaining anything to you. I just want to mock you. Not because you’re unsuccessful with women. It’s natural for humans to want to be in sexual and/or romantic relationships and everyone gets frustrated. That’s perfectly understandable.
It’s the “LMS!! Hypergamy!!! Sex is only about money and physical attraction!!! Bitches ain’t shit!!!!!!11!!1!!” stuff that I find so funny.
And I’m going to keep mocking it.
Also, what is up with the cheekbones obsession?
Yeah, Cassandra, Matthew Lewis really won at puberty.
I like cheekbones…omg, I’m the strawwoman! Again, sorry for letting the side down.
I love how he comes in with the ‘well, women will never understand what this feels like, that’s what you don’t get, you bunch of ladies.’
A) I trust the women here to have empathy and understand life experiences they personally haven’t experienced a hell of a lot more than him.
B) We’re not all women here.
And just like that his central thesis explodes. Everything else is just psuedo-science–no, seriously, son, read a real textbook. A real one. I don’t care. Antrhopology, sociology, psychology–it’s embarrassing to see you trying to pass off Looks Theory… YOU CAPITALIZED LOOKS THEORY–as a Real Thing.
Embarrassing.
“A woman is always looking to trade up.” Right. Sure. Fine. I’m pretty sure your mum would love to trade up to a son who’s not spouting made-up unreal things about women to the heavens. Seriously, your mom is looking to trade up? Your grandmother? Have you talked to them about this?
Also, I think Emma Watson’s pretty, with the caveats that a) she’s too young for me, too; and b) acknowledging that white men finding younger women attractive is a thing that can be pervy and creepy.
Not sure why it’s necessary to specify white men in the sentence above.
Yes Matt Smith is a male model…for sheer geekyness!
Dude, the guy is tall, he’s also skinny as hell and as the Doctor he presents much more of the feminine behavioural traits than masculine ones. I will grant you that he has one hell of a browridge, but the rest of his face is also rather lacking in MANLY MAN looks. And yet all kinds of women would think twice about turning him down, even without him being a well known actor.
Skinny geeky guys with a sense of “what the hell, let’s have fun!” Are HOT.
I guess it isn’t, really, but I got caught up thinking about social power in the US. Sorry.
so, what is up with the cheekbones obsession?
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Explain to me how humans select mates according to SCIENCE!
@Pillow: Yeah, if I didn’t watch Matt Smith being all Real Human Being on my Tee Vee all the time, I’d mistake him for a Pixar character seeing as his cheek bones are like a mile wide and then his chin is narrow.
It’s okay. I like cheekbones too but I don’t think they’re the end all be all the way those guys do. And all this stuff about “mid-face” and “too long mid-face,” and “too short” mid-face. They completely misuse the word “aesthetic.” They post images from, what I presume to be, random women’s social media sites and pick them apart with this nonsensical rating system. But then they do the same thing to men.
They really do just hate everybody.
I read through this whole thread about “Why do women like Tom Hardy?!” where people were seriously upset that women find Tom Hardy attractive because he isn’t attractive at all. And then others were rushing in to defend Tom Hardy’s looks and masculinity…
The whole thing was just weird.
You are so impossibly stupid.
It’s like our least favorite troll split into a thousand parts and they all went off and started a website.
Hi, higher brain functions! What’s that, you’re capable of doing things on levels that paramecium aren’t? Neat!!!
Seriously, your mom is looking to trade up? Your grandmother? Have you talked to them about this?
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You are a male feminist, I understand your aversion to the truth.
Now if you could kindly provide proof of a girlfriend ill be very happy.
LOL @ social anxiety meetups amd forums where the female posters talk about having boyfriends and the male posters are INCEL.
Looks!
EXPLAIN TO ME!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Nope, can’t, won’t, don’t want to.
But that’s for other reasons.
Want to hear which man with pretty cheekbones I think is the prettiest? I have a list.
Exactly!
You are so impossibly stupid.
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wtf is stupid about that? what I find odd is you avoiding this question and not giving me a solid answer.
Human mating principles are explored in Science, Im sure you’ve read something somehwere.
Its simple you disagree with my claim, tell me how the machine works according to YOUR knowledge then….
why is that so hard?
Dammit, dammit, dammit! Why does all the fun happen after I go to sleep?!?!?!
No, but it’s totally okay to spew bile all over the place because someone was mean to you in a bar once…
Here’s the thing, Looksie. You need to get out and get some fresh air, because the crap you are breathing in is toxic. Meet real people and try to interact with them in a place where you can actually hear what they are saying. You might actually learn a thing or two about, you know, real people instead of just the straw women you keep railing about.
The most absurd thing about your barely coherent ranting is that you are being flatly ridiculous, never more so than when you try to tell a bunch of people here (many of whom happen to be women) exactly what we think and feel and keep insisting that we are wrong when you are contradicted, because we COULDN’T POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT WOMEN THINK!!!!
I mean, seriously?
Put this in the context of something less emotionally charged.
It’s like saying that all women are “deplorable” for liking pink. Because pink is so horrible and gross and whatever. And you haven’t read anything here or participated in the conversation up until now, you just came in because you knew there were people here who happened to identify as (and more importantly with) women, so you figured this would be a good place to get people riled up by saying how awful women are because they like pink.
But if you’d taken a little while to read and get to know folks here, you would know that some of us may like pink, others may be revolted by it and we acknowledge that pink can be a very particular taste. And if your own behavior were less awful, you could probably get one or two of us to explain why pink is so popular, from a woman’s perspective, and we could also tell you about the history of pink as a cultural signifier (because as late as the mid twentieth century for most of the world, and to this day in some places blue is considered more “feminine”). And you could even ask us how to make yourself more visible to women who also think pink is vile, and where to find women who prefer blue, or green, or grey, or black.
You could, you know, treat people like human beings and act like a human being toward them.
But you’re a coward. You’d rather rant and insult people. We understand this. Don’t piss in the crystal and tell us it’s lemonade, dearie.
Have I introduced you to my babies?
BOOM. Done.
Oh, fuck off with this bullshit. How do you not understand that the act of approaching a woman is an act of choosing? There are problems with the societal norms of the man being required to pursue the woman. That will get no argument from me. But what is complete and utter bullshit is the idea that women are the only ones who are choosing/rejecting. The act of deciding what woman you want to approach is a choice and a rejection of all the women in the room that you have decided you do not want. And the woman that you’ve approached has a reciprocal right to choose/reject you. No one has more power than the other in that scenario, and the women who do not get approached at all and who go home alone also are acutely aware of their rejection.
Fer serious, this was old when Freud did it.
Looksie, your fundamental mistake is right here
There is no “machine”. Human beings are not algebraic equations. Spend a little more time paying attention in science class and a little less time reading junk science on the interwebs and you’ll get better results.
I mean its easy, you disagree with my points about how humans select a mate according to Science, right?
So clearly you know something I dont. tell me more. dont call me stupid for asking, tell me what you know?!
I mean are you kidding me?
THE MACHINE.
This disagrees with everything I know of Sociology, Anthropology, and Psychology.
Read more.
QFT
This mating machine doesn’t work no matter how many times I kick it! I want my money back!
It isn’t hard, it’s pointless. You don’t understand enough about basic human interaction -let alone the genuinely complicated aspects of sexual interaction/attraction/chemistry- for me to even bother. You don’t understand what science actually is.
You think that LMS is biology.
You are a fucking moron. I’m going to chalk it up to youth and unhappiness. I’m going to hope that you grow out of it. I’m going to mock you for it; I don’t have any meetings until this afternoon and it beats going over my PowerPoint for the umpteenth time.
But I’m not going to indulge your delusions by trying to explain something to you that you, literally, do not have the ability to understand. I’m not avoiding you. I’m mocking you.
Gillian: @Dvärghundspossen You know, that’s the best reason I can think of to have as many casual friends of the opposite sex as you can manage. The more you hang around with them and watch them with other people, the more likely you are to understand how others think and operate, what their signals are, what the range of behaviors is that you can interpret as interest. And the more they hang around with you, the more opportunities there are for all your female friends to turn to you and say, “What the hell, guyfriend? She is totally into you. No really, she’s putting out all the signs, so go for it!”
I wish. I had lots of female friends in High School/College. Still fucking clueless. It wasn’t that I didn’t have women who were interested in me, it’s that the one’s I was interested in, I had too much invested in. As a result I was still scared to make any overt moves and a lot of shared interest was missed. Insecurity about my looks/personality etc. trumped all the theoretical knowledge. Sometimes I was confident enough to make a move, sometimes the woman was, but more than a few times the shared sense that, “they won’t like me” caused both of us to not commit.
The worst of those was one where we were both complaining to people the other didn’t know we existed, and sadly neither of us was complaining to the same people. To add more amusement, we were showering partners (she washed my back, I washed hers) and both of us too polite/intelligent/shy, to risk offense in the shower. All, I think, it would have taken was one of us trying to kiss the other and we’d have burned the place down, but we were young and clueless.
I don’t think it was until I was in my middle twenties that I got a gut level sense that looks aren’t all that, and my lack of muscular bulk wasn’t the massive handicap I was thinking it was. This despite not being “incel”, for my teens/early twenties. It helped that I was in subcultures where women were seen as equals, and didn’t have a lot of social barriers to seeking out men they were interested in; so most of my partners were older than I was. People who had figured out that if they didn’t speak up, they weren’t going to be heard.
But if I’d been limited to women my own age, who also hadn’t figured it out yet… I’d probably have had a lot less sex, and might even have fallen for the, “nice guy™” trap.
I certainly recall thinking lots of “jerks” were getting the girls, but I suspect (in retrospect) it’s because I (and others like me) just hadn’t clued in on how to make it clear we were interested. Positive feedback loop that is.
Falconer! You’ve had sex despite being a mangina feminist!
Your babies are friggin’ adorable, by the way. I’m tardy with the congratulations!
I almost forgot.
SCIENCE!!
How do you not understand that the act of approaching a woman is an act of choosing?
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Are you mentally insane?
the final decision on whether a relationship forms or not lies on a woman, therefore a woman chooses.
A man goes up to a woman, whether they go on a date or not is UP TO THE WOMAN.
A man wants to go for the kiss, WHETHER THE KISS HAPPENS OR NOT IS UP TO THE WOMAN
A man wants to move into a sexual relationship, WHETHER SEX HAPPENS OR NOT IS UP TO THE WOMAN!, ANYTHING ELSE IS RAPE.
Woman do the choosing, they hold the sexual power.
Ahem… SCIENCE!
This is part of their problem. They believe that women are like vending machines — if you put your quarter in and choose a specific button, they are REQUIRED to provide you with a specific treat. And when this doesn’t happen, because women are people and not vending machines, instead of realizing, “hey, the real world doesn’t work like this,” they choose to get pissed at women for not taking their quarters like we’re “supposed” to.
No.
No kiss happens unless I want it to happen. Whether or not the kiss happens is up to me. Whether she wants to kiss me or not, it’s just as much assault if she kisses me without consent.
This is why we don’t take you seriously. Because you’ve taken an action with two actors and pretend one of them isn’t. You’re playing a word game to put it all on the woman. You’re either deluding yourself or completely dishonest with yourself.
I like how guys like this will go on about women having preferences and certain things that they find attractive in men and how terrible and evil this is.
But then they will attack the appearance of women they consider unattractive, “landwhales” being a case in point.
If you don’t like the fact that society is in many ways shallow and obsessed with looks and only presents a narrow idea of what is acceptable and attractive why are you contributing to that culture by shitting on women you deem to be ugly?
…with US. Completely dishonest with US. Being dishonest with yourself falls into the first category.
(sigh)
What’s more, I almost made her come once!
KING OF SEX
What “Science” has to say about mate selection:
(I hope that works)
Apparently when a man approaches a woman he has no choice in the matter. He’s hanging around, minding his business, possibly contemplating the nature of the universe and the next thing he knows he’s in front of some horrible, hypergamous woman and being rejected because the scientifcally proven biological theory of LMS.
It isn’t hard, it’s pointless. You don’t understand enough about basic human interaction -let alone the genuinely complicated aspects of sexual interaction/attraction/chemistry- for me to even bother. You don’t understand what science actually is.
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stop being a mental masturbator and give me a straight answer.
Peahens select mates based on the size and aesthetics of a peacocks feeathers in a competition amongst peacocks to outdo eachother. This is a basic outline.
FireFlies select on whether or not a possible male mate has a bright enough DOT on the top of its head or not
Lions battle to subdue eachother in order to gain absolute power over all females in a pride(strongest male with the best genetic potential expressed by his suppression of all other males)
why is that different to humans? Humans are animals! therefore there is a full proof quantitative way to explain human mating
Oh, but that’s all dry, boring stuff using all kinds of big words and terminology, starskita. It’s much sexier to just piss and moan about how women are biologically determined to be dirty whores.
And for good measure,
What “Nature” has to say about mate selection
Lions also murder the children of their predecessors to force their new females into estrus.
Male seahorses are integral to the birthing and raising of their offspring. Therefore human males are responsible for the vast majority of all child-rearing. It’s science.
@blitzgal
As a real-life scientist (although in no way a biologist) it’s just messing with me that he keeps capitalizing Science.
Because when you do that it means what I posted.
Although now I wonder what polymorphic self/nonself-recognition genes has to do with Looks Theory
dum de dum… wastes time reading abstracts.
Looksie, take a deep breath. You’re hyperventilating.
I didn’t call you stupid. At best, I’d say you are naïve, but you do seem willfully so.
Your points are irrelevant. No, really. Your assertions (they are not arguments, surely you recognize this?) are full of category and attribution errors. We’re not going to debate them, because they are fundamentally flawed and are much of what is getting in the way of you really gaining understanding.
However, if you want to have a real discussion, I’m totally game. But you need to dig down and find something, some comment you can make to demonstrate your basic willingness to engage in something other than shitslinging. Make one statement, one real question (without insults or ad hominem attacks), one offering in good faith. Act like a decent person, not a troll. Try it, just this once.
No kiss happens unless I want it to happen. Whether or not the kiss happens is up to me. Whether she wants to kiss me or not, it’s just as much assault if she kisses me without consent.
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Keep dreaming buddy LOL! a kiss happens only if a womans wants it to, keep thinking you have any sexual power….what delusional bastard.
Sex happens because you want it to right? LOL
A woman goes on a date with you because you wanted it to happen right? Not because you took a gambled, asked HER and waited for HER to choose whether she wanted to or not?
Hot damn, socky is dumb.
Looks has certainly zinged us with his list of hot male actors. I’m trying to think of a list of conventionally attractive female actors in Hollywood movies, and for the love of Charlize Theron I can’t come up with a single one.
Says the troll who’s whipped it out and jerked off all over his thread.
We are not lions, peacocks, or fireflies. Chew on that for a bit and get back to me.
Male seahorses are integral to the birthing and raising of their offspring. Therefore human males are responsible for the vast majority of all child-rearing. It’s science.
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you see this is how I know you are stupid and should sit this out because you have compltely misrepresented my point.
My point was that there is a MECHANISM to the way that humans select mates, just as it is in the animal kingdom, which was refuting the point made that human mating choice is not a Machine and cant be explained.
Now shut it.
David, why do you have such trouble identifying obvious trolling? It’s called “Shitty Advice”. They give shitty advice. Are you really that stupid that you think it’s all real?