How to Hate and Envy Every Single Person in the World, PUAhate edition
Some guys get all the chicks
The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before – are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.
As one PUAhater put it recently:
PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong
the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it
So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.
But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.
Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.
One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:
To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?
Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.
Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.
But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)
The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.
Posted on March 19, 2013, in creepy, disgusting women, drama kings, entitled babies, evil fat fatties, incel, irony alert, misogyny, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, PUA, racism and tagged misogyny, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 1,520 Comments.
I love the idea that science is trying to prevent some people from hooking up. I’m picturing a National Institute of Correct Fucking that monitors who’s hooking up with who and intervenes if someone who’s scientifically not hot enough is about to get laid.
Yeah, sorry but if you’re *friendless* and not just not having sex, it’s probably because of your toxic personality. Most people don’t give a crap about your looks when it comes to be friends.
And the idea that beauty is an objective thing is laughable. I suspect you also think the same of music, when I find the following to be beautiful music, unlike what I expect is 80% of the human race (due to the use of distortion and such).
I also find “Piss Christ” to be a really beautiful piece of art (and I mean aesthetically), again unlike a lot of Christians out there.
Personally I’m pretty average to low average in looks according to your so-called objective social standards, I have a cute face but am pretty fat, generally dress in a very utilitarian manner, etc. And yet I have two lovers right now (one woman, one man) and they both find me actually attractive, not just settling. So this idea that looks is the most important thing in the world is to me extremely ludicrous. If anything, if you’re the type to be into market theories about dating, you ought to realize that niche markets exist.
@CassandraSays: And their enforcer is CockBlock, millionaire playboy by day, RAGING DOUCHEBAG BY NIGHT! He answers the call, whenever it might come, to prevent incorrect fucking! His arch nemesis, the wily PeaCock, plots nefarious schemes to avoid the Institute and fuck incorrectly!
Also! Our trolls like to remind us that David is fat, which according to them is the worst thing ever. According to PUAhate, men who aren’t model-hot are actively scorned by all women in not only a sexual sense, but a social sense too. So why do so many of us like David so much?
Please explain, Looksy.
CockBlock has a sidekick who looks like Elizabeth Hurley’s character in Bedazzled. Whenever PeaCock is about to win she saves the day with the power of derisive female laughter.
Dude, as has been said, beauty vary in time and in place.
In pre-modern Japan it was considered the height of beauty for women to blacken their teeth and to shave their eyebrows and paint black smudges on half way up their forehead.
Also, traditionally in Japan the female neck is seen as an extremely erotic area, somewhat like legs are in the West.
In medieval Europe fashionable women plucked their eyebrows completely and then plucked their hairlines as well.
They have differed for men as well, in early medieval Norman England pretty much all Norman men had full beards, but across the border in Wales men had clean shaven chins but kept large moustaches.
In some cultures in Africa it was (and still is) considered a sign of beauty, wealth and prestige for young women to be highly overweight, young girls and women were force fed and put on special diets to make them as fat as possible.
Even within a culture standards of beauty vary and people find different things attractive. I personally have always found guys with wonky or big noses attractive as they give a face character. I also find six packs and highly defined muscles deeply off putting.
And Looks_Law, people get to choose who they talk to and associate with. People don’t owe you their time or interest, you’ve got to be worth their time. And if you walk around talking about how much you hate everyone who is attractive and every woman who doesn’t want to sleep with you then you aren’t going to be popular. Funnily, enough who hate everyone who isn’t them don’t tend to be the best friends.
Everyone suffers from rejection at times, I have been, and I’ve been bullied and ostracized, I went through most of my time at Secondary school without a single friend (and any that I had were usually horrible to me) and certainly no hope of any sexual partners.
You know what I haven’t done? Decided that the rest of the world is awful and that everyone who doesn’t lavish me with attention and praise and sex at the drop of a hat is a bitch or an arsehole. I also didn’t and don’t resent other people for having found happiness as couples. I don’t insult their appearance for merely existing in my presence.
Bad things happen to people but when you are an adult they do not excuse you from acting like an arsehole.
The idea that beauty is scientific is kind of crap too. There are a few general rules (people generally prefer symmetry to really obvious asymmetry, people usually prefer clear skin to skin with acne), but people have experimented by creating images of the “perfect” face, and usually the reaction is sort of “meh…pretty, but not that exciting”. Most people prefer faces with some sort of “flaw”. Mr C and I were watching a move the other day and talking about this, how both of the leads had obvious “flaws” in their faces but they’re almost universally regarded as super attractive, and would probably be less so if the “flaws” were removed.
Putting that aside, though, here are the basic issues with Looky’s rambling.
1. No, being unpopular/lonely/whatever doesn’t mean that it’s reasonable for you to decide that everyone else is evil.
2. If you do so, and won’t shut up about it, don’t be too surprised if people don’t want to hang out with you. Who wants to be around that kind of negativity?
There are no gay women, apparently.
You go from the above evo-psych garbage to the very next paragraph of your screed where you argue that every woman in the Western world is a cheating whore. So we are biologically less sexual AND we are sex crazed whores, all at the same time. Sure.
Apparently we fuck around just to make men miserable, no other reason.
Also I can’t be the only person nearly peeing myself laughing over the idea that if you’re an ugly man hooking up would be much easier for you if you were gay. Because gay men aren’t picky at all.
I love how they simultaneously argue that a) men cannot control their sexuality while every sexual act that a woman performs is coldly calculating and b) men are the logical sex, while women are ruled solely by emotion
It makes sense if the only emotion you acknowledge as real when coming from a man is anger.
This is highly relevant to the conversation.
Wait, no, don’t click on that link, it’s doing something wonky.
It’s supposed to be a link to an old Bloom County strip, wherein Opus is in a funk because he’s not in a relationship.
Milo’s response?
Try this.
Sorry!
In a nightclub environment when a man gets rejected by a woman and later in the night said woman is found snogging a tall masculine bull by the bathrooms, What part of his negative personality got him rejected?
In noisy areas like nightclubs men are rejected on sight. nightclubs are an example of a place where only Looks matter.
It boggles my mind that there are people who dont believe that whether someone finds you sexually attractive or not depends on how physically attractive you are.
Sex is a physical act?!!! What thing other than the physical matters in selecting a person to fucking mate with?
So, I’ve spent a little (read, way too much time) reading through a random sampling of the threads on puahate. A few thoughts:
1) It’s weird to see people talking so much about cheekbones. They talk about cheekbones a lot.
2) Most of the people posting seem young. Really young. I’m talking teenagers. It’s odd to think that a 19 year old has decided that they’re “incel”. You aren’t “incel,” you just haven’t had sex yet.
3) Soaking in a vituperative stew of delusion and self-hate will not make you more socially appealing to anyone.
4) Humans would cease to exist if the only people who could pair up were the exceptionally beautiful.
5) To the dudes who wrote about wanting to learn how to wipe their asses better as part of their new years’ resolutions (no, I’m serious) I have two suggestions: more fiber in your diets, and baby wipes. Hygiene is important.
See, this right here? This is painfully, painfully stupid. It’s sad and funny and delusional and almost makes me want to offer the writer some a snack and a nap.
Public service announcement! Please do not snog bulls when in a club. Most clubs frown on bestiality, and you may get arrested.
…What?
In order to understand puahate, you have to have an understanding of science.
I lol’d.
I love the way that both Abnoy and Looks_Law’s first posts can basically be summarised as: “No no no, you don’t understand. All we’re saying is that we hate women.”
The part where he decided to cold approach a woman in a night club without knowing anything about her including whether or not she already had a boyfriend who may, in fact, be the “…tall masculine bull…” she’s snogging by the bathrooms.
I notice that we’re not considering the fact that the “bull” might have been charming, funny, interesting, etc.
(Seriously, bull? The only way I can make sense of that is that he’s thinking of a player for a sports franchise with “bulls” in the name.)
According to this site David Futrelle could get more women than a Tall facially attractive male with low bodyfat because David Futrelle has a better personality?
I mean come off it.
What world are you people living in where Looks dont matter? We are bombarded with aesthetics everywhere!
The cosmetic industry is a multi-billion dollar industry
Damn near every hollywood male movie lead is ridiculously attractive. All these men possess the exact same facial proportions and indicators of attractiveness.
Christian Bale, Michael Fassbender, Clooney, Pitt, DiCaprio, Channing Tatum, Jason Statham, Henry Cavill, Chris Hemsworth, Depp, Ian somerhalder, Patterson…..and many many more. All male model looking.
All chosen to fill a market need. All chosen because people want to see good looking people on their screens, because society cares about LOOKS.
Aw, he left all of my favorites off the list of hot actors. I guess this means that preferences aren’t universal and determined by science after all?
(Also I have no idea who “Patterson” is. Anyone want to clue me in?)
The part where he decided to cold approach a woman in a night club without knowing anything about her including whether or not she already had a boyfriend who may, in fact, be the “…tall masculine bull…” she’s snogging by the bathrooms.
^^^
Oh yeah because women NEVER EVER EVER go to nightclubs and snog guys who arent their boyfriends right?
Just another example of this sites portrayal of women as perfect beings that are always right.
Looks_law is Virgil, I’m sure. Fuck off loser.
Abnoy, what’s half of “you must be fucking joking” again? You wankstains always talk about this like the average man is rich and that alimony is still really a thing today.
Looks_law/Virge, you’ve been told you’re not wanted here. You should be used to this. Stop whining and GO AWAY.
Give me a break. Oh Hi puahaters. Its you who cause all of this. If you just had a nicer personality, you could have plenty pf friends and a girlfriend. everyone out there is really nice, you’re just an asshole.
I wont tell you where you got your douchbag traits from because im a moron who is illogical but you’re ill fate is definitely because you are an asshole and everyone you’ve ever met and everyone on the planet is an angel that does no wrong( especially women)
Looks_law: dance monkey, dance!
what an idiot. At no point do you refute anything and use your head for once. All you do is shame me and throw insults.
Yeah keep believing women are perfect and vilifying men and puahaters.
How could you make a list of hot actors and forget this guy?
Could it be because he’s kind of short and that fucks with the theory?
Seriously, I have learned more about hot male actors and models from ‘incel’ trolls in the past four or five days than I have in about a year of coming to this site, which is populated mostly by the women who are supposedly obsessed with them.
@Cassandra: I think Patterson is the male lead in the Twilight movies.
And, uh… I agree that people who are conventionally attractive, everything else being equal, have a much easier time getting dates and getting sex than people who are conventionally ugly. I don’t think anyone here denies that. It doesn’t follow though that it’s super-easy for EVERYONE who looks like a model, and above all it doesn’t follow that it’s IMPOSSIBLE for people who don’t look like models to hook up or find love.
And yeah, there are lots of assholes in the world, of both genders. I don’t think anyone here denies that either. But it doesn’t follow that EVERYONE is an asshole, or that the best explanation for “my life sucks” is “everyone but me is an asshole”.
Looks_law: I’m not sure what planet you’re beaming in from, but no one here has ever said women are perfect. I know, it’s tough when you’re drunk posting and the straw women around you act up. Hope you don’t smoke, they’re flammable.
We’re not vilifying men for the umpteenth time. However, we are vilifying misogynistic sock puppets with piss-poor boundaries and rage issues.
@ kiki
Sorry, didn’t mean to let the side down. Apparently I am the woman who PUAhaters believe is destroying the world.
Looks dont matter at all.
Every single thing around us is governed by Looks and an obsession with aesthetics but no guys Looks dont matter.
Girls dont go to clubs to find “hot guys” cmon puahaters, oviously they go to find nice guys who make good convo.
Girls are angels, they’ll give you a chance no matter who you are as long as you’re a nicer person to be around.
Girls have the right to make unprovoked jokes towards you.
Oh what that girl said EEWWW as she walked by you and gigled with her friends, You deserved it, you entitled batstard!!
Oh what? you greeted a girl enthusiastically and she gave you a lukewarm response and gave that other tall guy extreme excitement!!! Its your fault you idiot, clearly you were being a self-hating asshole!!!
Oh cmon? One girl, rejected your offer for a date and went out with the Tall jock from the Rich family? Cmon dude women arent shallow and status obsessed, its you!!! She could smell the self-hate from wthin you!!!
Do I get the impression that these oh-so-unattractive-woe-is-me men have no women friends at all? Surely the best way to find out about what potential women partners might or might not find appealing about you is to ask a non-sexual-interest woman who knows you reasonably well for guidance, or even advice.
Who knows? Perhaps they might tell you that you should re-check your manners, your jokes, your hygiene/ grooming/ dress sense in the company of some women who are known to be particular about certain things. They might also tell you that it doesn’t matter how handsome or otherwise physically attractive you are if you lack a sense of humour or your taste in music won’t get you any merit points with some women you are interested in or that you should sometimes be prepared to stop talking about your own favourite topics and find out what your potential woman friend’s interests are.
Without well-intentioned friends to inform or guide you, how do you develop the skills you need to initiate or maintain an intimate or sexual relationship?
But seriously, he’s a babe, right? We can agree that this person is conventionally attractive and popular with women?
He’s 5ft6. If I was in the market for a guy I would definitely not kick his petite ass out of bed.
To be fair, CassandraSays, it might be because you’re in the wrong subgroup of horrible awful women. The incels seem to be all about the American beefcake, but the laydeez around these parts tend to go for gangly British types who travel through time and/or solve crimes.
And I tend to go for skinny, pretty Asian or Hispanic or occasionally Scandinavian men with striking eyes. I guess I’m messing up the theory again.
Fucksake Looks_Law, what the fuck do you want? A hand-written apology from every woman in the world? A government-mandated girlfriend?
Oh, that is what you want.
It’s almost like women are complicated individuals who act according to very different motivations. Who’d a thought.
Aww, someone dropped his binky.
and HellKat Im not saying its bad that women have negative traits. You cant be just to everyone. If I was in the position of sexual power women are in I’d seek to trade up too.
Its for their own benefit that they choose a good looking guy who is also rich over an average dude.
who would pass up a sexually attractive partner who can also provide status and security?
Its nature, its biology. This is how the cards are stacked, this is how it is. I personally am not bitter. I am simply against women treating men like crap.
No problem with a non-good looking girl wanting to date good looking guys( I know why she does it) but the problem arises when you are treated like a sub-human, because you dont fit a womans perfect profile!
Falconer: right? It’s way past somebody’s nap time.
I think anyone who’s currently dating a conventionally attractive man is supposed to break up with him too. Sorry, hot guys, I guess you’ll just have to deal with being dumped. What’s that you say? You have kids/you love your partner and will be sad without her/you don’t see why you should get dumped just because some other dude is having a hard time picking up women in clubs? Too bad – the Movement needs you to be willing to make some sacrifices.
Looks_law; It’s hellkell, and your line of shit has zero to do with biology. You can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better, but it’s still crap.
You are so bitter, it’s coming off the screen like cartoon stink lines.
I personally am not bitter.
I lol’d again.
(Do the rest of you want me to stop poking him? I’m finding his tantrums amusing, but I’ll stop if it’s bugging everyone else.)
Apparently you’re the one they all choose to focus on. I know this because it happened that one time, and that’s SCIENCE and you can’t argue with that!
(Seriously, it does seem like all the rage-o-holics fixate on you, and I’m sorry about that.)
Lol… Puahate simply vocalizes what everyone, deep down inside, knows is true about sex and attraction. Even the feminists and manginas know it..
Even futrelle knows that “shallow, self absorbed assholes” who are good looking have no problem with girls, while one look of his face betrays that he’s a complete failure no matter how nice he is
Oh and Falconer you’re a pasty ginger fuck who was crying about being a pasty ginger on other forums. Now you bring up billionaire rockstars as proof “looks don’t matter”. Better start working on those demo tapes bro :D
we can even move on from Looks. The denial that women are inherently interested in attaining status is shocking too.
With all the evidence for this you deny it?!!!
womens obsession with royalty?
With being seen at trendy places, being amongst the right crowd? getting into the right car, the sugar-daddy culture? The mass amount of women in my own country specifically seeking out RICH MEN or popular men?
Women are hypergamous in every sense. they are fascinated by the high life, want it with everything in their sole.
A woman is always looking to trade up, whether in Looks, Money or Status
Look, you delusional fuckwit, no one here is saying/has said/belives that women are “perfect” and always right. No one. That’s your shit.
What I was doing with the nightclub hypothetical was offering an alternative and equally feasible reason why a woman might turn down one guy only to be with another. I’m trying, delicately because I don’t want to break your brain, to get you to understand that the world does not revolve around you. You may be rejected because you aren’t good looking but you may be rejected because the person you’re approaching is already interested in someone else.
I reject people quite a bit and many of them are perfectly attractive. I’m in love and I don’t want to be with anyone else. So other people, mostly men, who approach me end up rejected.
I think Looks needs to meet some women outside of Duran Duran videos.
Looks_law; It’s hellkell, and your line of shit has zero to do with biology.
^^^
Looks theory is not biology?
do you read anything other than books on 60’s feminism?
Do you know nothing about natural selection and how mating in the animal kingdom works?
Do you not read up on Physiognomy? a science explored by everyone from socrates to Darwin?
I bet you believe in christ too?
… I think I’ve just had it demonstrated to me that sexuality is a spectrum.
Woof
I like a good pair of shoes, but let’s not get carried away.
Cassandra: poke him till the bannhammer drops on his pointy little head.
He needs to cut his caffeine intake too, he seems a bit excitable.
It’s an incredibly slow work day for me, so I’m all for it.
What else are we supposed to do? It’s not like we’re going over to puahate and posting in their echo chamber. He came here and if he wants the attention, I’m perfectly happy to oblige. At least until I have to go my meetings.
I’m not sure that my soles want anything other than a good cobbler.
Huh, Well, y’all get the point.
I’m not sure that my soles want anything other than a good cobbler.
Apple’s not bad, but I prefer cherry.
No. It’s not. If it were the human race would’ve become extinct long ago.
Next question?
Physiognomy? You take that bullshit seriously? That’s the “science” that started with the premise that African Americans were dumber than whites and therefore everyone who had slightly Af-Am features must have lower intelligence, too.
And even if Darwin explored it, which is news to me, he wasn’t perfect, either, and I note that you don’t state what he concluded about it.
Aw Jesus, you know, you really make it hard for non-asshole atheists out here.
I like my cobbler kind of bitter, as befits an evil feminist. Or at least sour. Raspberry is always nice.
@kiki: Nice one!
I dont want attention Im here to defend Puahate as I see strawmens and misrepresentations all over the article.
you must understand the point of view of some puahaters.
Nobody is going out there hating on everyone. Spitting in peoples faces, wearing T-shirts that say “Fuck women, Fuck those bitchcunts”.
Certain males go out, they are rejected due to not reaching the threshold of looks that some women have set and desire in a prospective partner. Women do the rejecting because they hold all sexual power and can therefre select based on what ever preferences they want, preferences being good looks which are indicators of good genetics.
Its that simple. Its not an exaplanation for ALL cases, as there are anomalies and exceptions.