How to Hate and Envy Every Single Person in the World, PUAhate edition
Some guys get all the chicks
The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before – are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.
As one PUAhater put it recently:
PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong
the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it
So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.
But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.
Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.
One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:
To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?
Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.
Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.
But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)
The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.
Posted on March 19, 2013, in creepy, disgusting women, drama kings, entitled babies, evil fat fatties, incel, irony alert, misogyny, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, PUA, racism and tagged misogyny, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 1,520 Comments.
@kiki – there’s one cock there, but the rest are hens, I think. That guy is a totally slutty slut mcslutster and he’s not even an alphagod! :P
[quote]Puey T. Hater: “Women hate me and no one will date me because I am physically hideous!”
Random woman: “You aren’t hideous, really. Just try being relaxed and asking a girl out.”
PTH: “Hideous! Children run away from me in the street! Grandmothers try to beat me with their canes!”
Random woman: “No, really. You’re being too hard on yourself. Women aren’t a monolith and if you just tried…”
PTH: “I’m completely horrific! I work out at the gym three hours a day and women who live by me won’t evey say hello to me as they walk by!!”
Random woman: “Seriously, look at that guy over there. He’s no more attractive than you are and he has a girlfriend…”
PTH: “Look at HIM?!? He’s a dickwad and she’s totally not worth someone like him!!”
Random woman: “Okay, I think I’m beginning to get a sense of what your problem might be.”
PTH: “What the fuck do you know, you lying, skanky status whore?!”
Random woman: “Wow, you really are a dick, aren’t you?” Turns away and pretends PTH doesn’t exist.
PTH: “See, I’m so physically horrible!! Women won’t even talk to me!! Woe! WOE!!”[/quote]
I shit you not, I have HAD this ENTIRE conversation with a young man I met two years ago, who seemed really down. He was a nice looking bloke, lovely blonde hair, defined features and glasses. Little overweight, but barely.
He later got my number from a mutual friend, sent me multitudes of texts over the next 24 hours, including texts asking me if I wanted to date him, with follow up texts when I didn’t reply to moan about how I’m shallow and repulsed by his appearance, thus my silence.
Yep, only one cock, the rest are hens. Buff orpingtons.
Which reminds me, I’m going to have to insist on chickens on Manboobz Island.
Chickens, hell yes we will! There’s people in my ‘hood who have the most awesome fluffy butt chickens. I love them and want to hug them.
I miss having quails. They really did a number on the cockroach population.
AK – you can also end up thinking that anyone trying to flirt with you is winding you up, or setting you up for a fall, if you don’t believe anyone could be interested.
These guys are bringing out all my schadenfreude, I swear. It’s like watching the school bullies get their comeuppance. I had decades of being lonely, partly because of wanting someone I thought unavailable, but also because of an ingrained-since-school image of myself as unattractive, which reinforced the idea that if I’d wanted to look for someone else, that plus being shy and not enjoying talking to strangers would make it a waste of time. Yeah, I envied, and slightly resented at times, all the couples I saw holding hands and kissing and whatever. But going around hating on the world? Thinking men were only interested in supermodels, or that nobody not stunningly beautiful had a right to be with anyone who wasn’t, and vice versa? Blaming strangers for not paying attention to me? No, no, just no. So much wrong, and it all just makes me despise these creeps all the more. They really are contemptible. They could be the handsomest men in the world and they’d still be hideous, because misogyny, homophobia and racism are feckin’ ugly.
And they’re so wedded to their stupidity, which I’d call self-serving except it just digs that hole deeper. Even the idea that different people have different criteria of physical attraction seems beyond them. Y’know (warning: Mr K example) I never thought Mr K would be considered handsome now. He was in his day, but it astonished me when friends looking at his pictures – both the ones I make and the original portraits – started saying what a looker he is. Even more astonishing was him making it clear he thinks I’m beautiful. I still smh at the idea, but that’s what love can do, and that’s where these pukebuckets will never, never get it. There’s no evidence they can feel love, or kindness, or affection. They’re full of hate and choose to wallow in it, and I just think “serves you right, fucking little creeps”.
Or a dog breeder.
Or an ‘incel’ dog breeder.
An incel dog breeder could cure me of my inpup status, but would probably call me a bitch.
Oooh I love this, Bagelsan!
Involuntarily Puppiless?
the puahate site seems to be down. Can anyone else see it? Have we drowned it in extra traffic?
Given the limited space, may I suggest seramas?
Constantly mad about how all the alpha dogs are getting more bitches than you.
@WeeBoy. I knew a guy with the same attitude. Though intead of beauty, he seemed to think that a giant penis should make his dating life much easier than it was (I am completely serious.) I showed him a website dedicated to that physical attribute. The women bloggers did want that physical attribute, but only with someone who had a personality they could like.
Apparently, no one wants to date a jerk.
What does any one suppose generated these common expected entitlements that made these guys so resentful?
For that matter, why is it just guys that turn lack of dating success into a burning hatred of the people they wish to date?
Well, of course. We’ll need something to use as a model when we sculpt the figures for the Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel in our theme park.
Is it? I didn’t think anyone was entirely immune to sour grapes.
I agree. Chickens are adorable and the adults are large enough to be safe from the kittehs.
I’ll have to give chicken… I am firmly in the camp that one does not eat the same species as any member of the family.
Sour grapes, sure, but these guys add a shitload of entitlement to it. Women are property to them, so it gets a whole lot more toxic, I think. We’re not socialised to think men owe us sex and admiration.
I think rebuilding a non-dangerous ghost town (so, not Centralia) as Manboobzville would probably be easier than Manboobz Island. We’d need to hook up and clean up the existing infrastructure, and we’d need doctors and educators and vets, but it would be more practical than a random island with a large collection of fluffy friends.
Plus we’re likely to want horses and goats and sundry large furry friends, too.
Speaking of which, I saw a pair of basset hounds today. Don’t see them often, and it’s easy to forget what big dogs they are on those stumpy legs!
And here’s George the basset, determined to get into that chair however uncooperative his back leg is:
Plus … too … argh!
Need a librarian for Manboobz Island?
Manboobz Island will need multiple librarians, Hyena girl! [cloudiah waves her MLIS in the air, shakes it like she just don't care]
Working from the heuristic that people often believe things because the want to believe them, perhaps it’s preferable to believe that one’s failures in romance are because one isn’t physically attractive enough rather than because one is a shitty person.
[offers cloudiah the secret librarian handshake]
[cloudiah accepts handshake, starts speaking to Hyena Girl in acronyms]
Pretty much, nerdypants. It’s what I was saying before about it being self-serving – in that their lazy, miserable asses don’t want to make the effort to change.
Hyena Girl and cloudiah – is the sectet librarian handshake anything like this?
Kittehs’, the handshake towards the end is pretty close, but not quite right. However, the pantsless hopping is definitely something we do in libraryworld, but only at our conferences.
Have I posted this before?
According to hotel bartenders I’ve spoken to, librarian conferences have more drinking than anyone except the RNC.
@cloudiah – Love the bit with the costumes! Reminds me of an SF/fantasy promo they had at Dymock’s bookstore last year.
Now I want to see a trouserless Imperial Stormtrooper hopping down the street.
@Hyena Girl – So that’s how the trouserless hopping gets started! ;)
My mum’s a librarian and the most she seems to get up to is receiving a newsletter with an awful joke in it every Friday.
NSW Public libraries need to step their game up.
The operative word here is seems. ;-)
Definitely. Victorian ones, too. If I’d known librarianship was like this, I might have persisted with the course back in the day!
All I know of librarians, I learned from the SLWSMF. http://library-mofo.livejournal.com/
As an occasional lurker, watching a group of people I mostly agree with, address my personal situation as if I am a cultish delusional weirdo who had it coming is… quite odd.
What situation is that?
@ ranter
…bwuh. Guys who claim all women are X make me want to imprint the wall with my head.
so, I don’t understand the giant penis thing. I mean, I don’t thing many people I’ve heard talk about it want it in a date, it seems to be more concern to the person with the penis. Anyway, just confuses me. But it’s also so strange that they think their potential dates are staring at their pants so much too. Idk I’m rambling, just confused.
…this is perfect XD
@GT_GiantTurtle
I’m confused. Are you ‘incel’? That’s what I was assuming from the comment.
I’m blown away by some men I run into. Many are perfectly nice, but every once in awhile….
Like the guy who goes on and on about how I friendzoned him because I’m shallow and apparently easy (because I made out with one of his friends). However, he and I were not friends. At the time he made a move I had known him for a few hours while at the corn maze with my friends. I’ll be honest the fact that he is nearly a foot shorter than me was a factor, but I have dated shorter men than myself (like his friend who I have a good 4 inches on).
The thing is this guy goes on and on about how girls won’t date him, but I know three women who have made their interest known. He however doesn’t think their “his type” and doesn’t want to date them. BTW he doesn’t like them because they are a little overweight….. However, he doesn’t offer me the same courtesy to reject him. He once called me while masturbating to tell me he was thinking of me. And yet he thinks he is a nice guy…….
/end slightly off topic rant
@Marie
I think a large penis would intimidate me.
And my friend broke up with one of her BFs because it was just too large.
What the hell? Unless it was something the woman I was dating had explicitly asked me to do so as some sort of foreplay, I wouldn’t even do this to someone I was dating and had intercourse with on a regular basis.
melody – ewww!
Yeah, the whole “big penis” thing – we had that conversation not long ago. YMMV but mostly the comments were along the lines of “no thanks!”
Giant turtle – are you saying you’re dateless/lonely and think that’s what we’re mocking? If you read here and mostly agree with us, I’m guessing you’re not a PUA type or MRA or whatever, so I’m quite lost as to why you’d think we’re mocking your situation.
PUA “gurus” are snake oil merchants and too many of them are wannabe rapists, or actual rapists. They’re out to abuse women AND the men they sucker into their scam. These PUAhate clowns are just out-and-out misogynists who also hate any guy who happens to have a partner. They’re what we’re talking about, not the entire category of people who would like a partner but don’t have one. Which describes you, if either?
@Baroncognito
I think it was a “You can’t stop me from masturbating to you even if you aren’t interested in me” jab.
He is very bitter about it.
Other options: He gets turned on by audible disgust.
@Baroncognito
That…..is not an idea I wanted to introduce to my brain.
Oh, god.
I knew a guy in college once who took it into his head that in order to get right with Christ he had to apologize to everyone he had wronged.
Apparently this involved revealing to women that he had roughed up the suspect while fantasizing about them, and asking them to forgive him.
Dude … I’m pretty sure you can just apologize to God for lusting in your heart and it’ll be all right.
But what do I know? I don’t read Left Behind for fun.
Very sorry, not intended. If we spirits have offended. think but this and all is mended: Kittens are fun.
“roughed up the suspect”
Falconer, you owe me a cup of tea.
Unfortunately, like most of my favorite expressions, it’s not mine. I can’t remember where I got it from, except off the Internets.
I shall give you my espresso also, because Christ commands me to be a passive-aggressive dick.
Yes, I’m “involuntarily celibate”. And to satisfy the curiosity some of you displayed, sure, sex would be nice; and a relationship would be nice too. It’s not an either/or thing.
And it’s not so much mockery, but the sense of being picked apart like a faulty laboratory rat. The vibe some posters give is basically “Oh my; how does this even happen to people?!”.
I am familiar with PUA, MRA, MGTOW philosophies and how destructive they are. However, I’m also aware feeling like or being a social pariah, can lead to less than commendable thoughts. Posting those thoughts online and use them to excuse the reality those guys created in their own heads, is definitely a downwards step. But, partially, I have to understand them.
I assumed that the race comment was referring to the fact that American society frames Asian men as asexual, which is true and really does effect people’s dating prospects. But these are white guys whining that Asian women won’t date them? LOL. Cry harder, racist assholes.
Also, I’m curious as to why I dumped my ridiculously tall ex according to PUAhate theories? I mean, he was nearly 6ft5, doesn’t that mean he wins all the vaginas by default? Actually we broke up mostly because we were both young and stupid, teenage drama and so on, but honestly, a guy that tall? It’s kind of inconvenient if you’re my height. He was super cute, but if we’d stayed together I’d probably have back problems by now from how much time I spent with my neck at an odd angle just from talking to him.
@ Nobinayamu
Yeah, I assumed that same, that maybe they were just living in the library at college and just hadn’t noticed the couples all around them, but apparently they have noticed, and pretty much every couple in the world enrages them. That can’t be a fun way to live.
I don’t know who I’ve been listening to, but apparently it’s a good thing I’ve been listening to them, because I never heard the thing about Asian men being asexual until I hung out here.
African-American men being oversexed, yes, but not Asian men being asexual.
It just passed me by.
It’s not “How does someone not have sex” that people are wondering about. I, for one, haven’t had a serious relationship in the past four years and I don’t get physically involved with people unless I’m in a serious relationship. I know exactly how people are involuntarily celibate.
The vibe I’m getting from this discussion is more of a “how do these people get so vitrolic about things and blame their lack of dating on others?”
Sooo, your personal situation is that you can’t get laid therefore you go on the internet and complain about how bitches won’t fuck you and this is why you hate everyone?
And you mostly agree with us?
Newsflash: not everyone who has trouble with relationships and sex is “incel”. But wait, there’s more! Secondary newsflash: most people have dry spells at some point in their lives. I at one point went over 2 and a half years without so much as a prospect for a date.
We’re not picking apart how it is that people manage to go a long time without having sex. We’re discussing what makes them then go on to use that as an excuse to blame women for all their woes. And then the irony that their hatred of women makes it even less likely that they will get to have sex.
We are human beings, we know what it is like to not have something you really really want. We know what it’s like to be lonely. But our sympathy for folks who aren’t getting the intimacy they desire ends once folks start acting like total assholes about it.
Being a woman and not lesbian or bi, it would be weird of me to go on the internet and complain how bitches won’t fuck me. And, no, I don’t recall ever writing anything about hating everyone, outside of playful sarcasm. Perhaps back in my teens, in dirty scribbled notes?…
And 2 and a half all years? Damn, that must suck. But try decade instead.
Smooches! Rather you than me, though – I’m not touching that kind of simmering pressure cooker of rage. Who knows when they might explode?
I feel like I’m not really getting Giant Turtle. I mean, I’m a virgin (I refuse to use incel because while I’d like a relationship and sex, it’s just a bad term, imo. Also, I’ve been focusing more on trying to get my life back on track than getting dates, so I’m not looking that hard.) Anyway, I wasn’t getting the vibe that everyone was going ‘how does this even happen to people?’. Just that it’s foolish to blame women on your failures to date. :/ anyway. Just rambly today, so this may not have made sense.
ps, deniseeliza, I love your kitty avatar :D
Giant Turtle – as I said, we’re not mocking people who’ve never had dates/relationships/sex. I don’t know how much you’ve read, but I have never dated, never had anything to do with an earthly human being. I have never been mocked here. Nor has anyone who’s hoping to have a relationship but hasn’t yet, (several of our regulars are in that situation), nor anyone who’s had a dry spell, nor anyone who doesn’t WANT to be in a relationship, nor anyone who has real stumbling blocks, like actual conditions that make just ordinary socialising very difficult. We mock misogyny, and that’s what’s in full flight with the “incel” mob like governmentgetgirlfriends, or these PUAhate creeps.
Seriously: lose the “incel” thinking. It isn’t real. Celibacy is about marriage, not whether one’s having sex or not. It’s also a flaming lie, because half the “incels” we’ve seen have had sex, but happen to be in a dry spell. Hello, that’s not being forcibly prevented from hooking up! These guys are what I call bonerwhiners, expecting their ideal women to be available to them the instant they click their fingers, and making every possible excuse about why THEY can’t possibly be expected to make an effort . Oh, the women are too picky. Oh, the women are too ugly. Oh, the men themselves are too ugly. Oh, the handsome guys have all the women (even the UGLY ones the PUAhaters consider subhuman). Oh, oh, oh.
Do you really want to identify with such a pack of self-deluding misogynists? Because that’s what they are: they’re acting like entitled brats who think they’ve the weight of the world on their shoulders. They radiate hate for everyone else and wonder why nobody’s interested in them.
Dating is an effort for most people, from all I’ve heard, and why shouldn’t it be? We all have some fear of rejection, we have doubts about ourselves and our desirability (yes, even very conventionally attractive people – have you any idea how insecure models are?) and making friends or acquaintences is not always easy. Pretending it isn’t, pretending you’ve* missed some magic key to getting Teh Sex or Teh Girlfriend, isn’t helping; it’s just making matters worse, especially when it turns to blaming everyone else in the world, like these PUAhaters are doing.
*”you’ve” in the general sense, not you specifically
@ Marie I am also a virgin by choice. It is shocking how fixated folks can be on that. Which is why in my personal life I try to avoid the topic.
BTW I just tried to explain misogyny to a group of 17-20 year old boys.
Well, it took 26 years before Mr K and I got in contact, so pardon me if I’m not going to wring my hands over ten. Seriously, your situation is hardly unique, and Marie had it right: focussing on dates and obsessing about not getting them is not doing anyone any good. Nobody knows if they’re going to have a partner(s) or not. We need to live our own lives, have a sense of our own selves, not be dependent on a hypothetical person to make us complete. First, that’s a hell of a load to put on anyone; second, what if we don’t end up partnered or in relationships? It doesn’t lessen anyone’s worth, but it’s a damn good reminder that relationships are neither guaranteed nor a fix for everything.
melody – that must have been fun (not).
Thanks. I can’t talk about this anymore.
@melodyraewood
I’m not sure if I’d identify as virgin by choice, I just brought it up because Giant Turtle was acting like everyone was meaniepoos saying sex was so easy to have. XD Idk. I mean, I’d like to have sex and date, but it’s so not a priority atm in efforts needed wise. Need to get my life on track. So…I am by choice, but it’s not ideal. It’s just…there. Anway, rambling.
Also…that sounds head bangy against the wall. Did it go well? I hope, but someone I doubt.
Then don’t.
Seriously – if you’re not a PUAhater specifically or misogynist in general, then this is not about you.
Marie – I think there were at least two heads banging against that wall! :D
Nobody here is mocking people for not being able to find a partner, we’re mocking people for taking that unfortunate situation and turning it into an excuse to hate the following – hot women, not so hot women, Asian women, fat women, tall men, short men who have girlfriends, anyone who has a girlfriend or boyfriend who you think is too hot, anyone who has a boyfriend or girlfriend who you think is not hot enough, anyone who points out that screaming about what bitches all women are might not be helping with the whole problems finding a partner issue, and…did I forget anyone? I probably did, because these guys seem to hate almost everyone who isn’t them. And that’s why we’re mocking them.
I’m … almost wondering if there’s going to be a hint of sock on the breeze.
Yeah I haven’t kissed anyone in the 13 years or so since I’ve been old enough for that sort of thing, despite wanting to for that entire time, and I never got the idea that the people in this thread were talking about my situation.
Because they’re talking about a ridonk sense of entitlement, not trouble getting laid.
How did it go? I don’t normally talk to guys that age except on the internet, so I’m curious as to how receptive they were to the idea.
On Marie’s comment, this is part of what bugs me about the whole incel movement and what it’s doing to public discourse about sex – there’s nothing unusual about being a virgin at 18. Put aside all the other stuff for a moment – even if you believed all the crap about how terrible it is to be a virgin, it’s still just not at all unusual for people to wait until their late teens or early twenties to have sex. I know the media says that it is, but it’s not. And it bothers me that the incel folks may be spreading their paranoia and weird ideas to people whose experiences aren’t even remotely outside the typical developmental curve. I don’t want random 18 year olds reading that crap and going “well, I figured I just wasn’t ready yet/was a late bloomer/was a little shy/wanted to wait till I was in love, but shit, maybe there is something wrong with me, because those guys sure seem to think so.”. It’s not healthy or helpful.
@melodyraewoodSounds neat. Keep explaining the good fight. Wait, no. Uh. Keep lecturing the good lecture? That works better, I suppose.
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@post:
And my money is on “Because they want it to be true”. I mean the quotes sum it up perfectly. It’d be nice if it was true, actually, that every relationship was based on something so concrete as looks. People would slot together as neatly as gear pieces, grinding in some fantastic mechanical unison. You’d look at someone else, they’d look at you, your internal scanners would ping and refer to the latest update of the HuValueScale and either you’d proceed straight to sexing someone else, or go on your way. No conversation, no personalities needed, nothing like problems with labor division or task sharing or participating in birthdays. You’d just be pretty at each other.
Instead, it’s not. But so long as you tell yourself it is, you get a great, delicious heaping of rage, that most addictive of emotions.
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@GT_GiantTurtle:
I don’t read any of the previous as mocking your situation, and I hope you find love and affection in the way you’d want it some time. What people are mocking is the bit where that desire to be with someone else slips into the desire to kick someone in the nuts for using a “racial advantage” on the wrong kind of “landwhale”.
Which makes it seem like he’s using some kind of RPG stat. “Okay, I’ve rolled up my Caucasian Incel, level 6. Got good stats, promise, except my charisma is really low. Damn. Can’t seduce any barmaids like this. They’re all going for those pretty boy paladins. Well at least I’ve got the Racial Advantage feat from being a Caucasian and at level 6 Incel I can rage like a Barbarian so long as I spend 1d4 rounds elaborating on skank-hos”.
If you’re not there yet, then I assure you, few people would mock you. Good luck with it all.