Men Who Hate Women Debate How Quickly Women Go Bad
Over on PUAhate.com, a fellow named Virgil challenges the widely held manosphere notion that women start losing their appeal once they hit their early 20s. According to him, the real turning point comes at the ripe old age of 25 or so. Why? Let’s let him explain — and in the process demonstrate how to use the word “c*ntathlon” in a sentence.
Behaviour has to count for something.
Any between ages 18-21 is in her Looks/reproductive Prime but The behaviour in these ages stinks.
Its like a competition to see who can out-cunt the other.
From simple things like skipping lines, to humiliating people in public, to ostracising people.
Its a damn cuntathlon.
We have to have some quality control here okes.
I fully agree that age 24-25 is the tip of the iceberg here folk.
Walk with me.
-she still looks attractive
-She’s starting work and therefore is in a controlled environment where validation is far less.Thus cooling the cunty behaviour
-she’s at the perfect equilibriu$ of grown up behaviour and youthful Looks.
Virgil gets some challenges from the regulars.
JackOfJokers argues that 25-year-olds are still as badly behaved as 18-21-year-olds, and not as good-looking:
Sounds nice in theory Virgil, but the truth is they still get validated fuckloads by desperate office guys, they’re super stuck up, and they definitely look much worse; fat, cellulite, wrinkles, shitty diet, etc.
Mechanical Animals agrees:
If you think girls act much different from 18-21 to 24-25 you are fucking deluded.
Life after high school is exactly that, a continuation after high school.
What does this mean is exactly that, the good looking people keeps living in a bubble of validation way past their academical period.
Life of the sub 8 is a dead end, a merciless damnation. Think about all these beautiful, fucking females. You will never touch them.
The “sub-8” bit is a reference to the notion, seemingly held by 90% of the denizens of PUAhate, that only “male models” ever get to have sex with women.
Genetically Inferior, meanwhile, makes the case for “jailbait.”
15-18 is prime for a female but nobody will admit it
This arouses much ire from the regulars, not so much because Genetically Inferior is being a crepy pedo, but because “at 15 most chicks barely even have any tits developed,” as the similarly named Genetics puts it. “Wake up to reality incel,” Genetics continues in a second comment,
stop comparing tumblr feeds and “jailbait” associated websites of the top percent of teens to the average titless whore. At fifteen you’re merely in grade 10, most chicks have little tits and ass to show for.
Doesn’t start getting good untill 17-18 then peak at 21
I gave up reading the thread at this point as it seemed to have degenerated into little more than a collection of “jailbait” pictures.
Posted on March 13, 2013, in creepy, incel, misogyny, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, PUA and tagged incel, misogyny, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 771 Comments.
I actually am an archaeologist, so I do get asked about TT a bit. I don’t usually watch it, because I’m not a big telly watcher. I have seen it, and it’s a great show, and Tony Robinson is lovely. I work in NSW, so don’t dig up much Roman or Medieval stuff.
hi, sorry to poop on the thread and be irrelevant (as I always am because you guys are so quick and I am so slow,old and with kids) but I want to say a big THANK YOU to commenters who gave me suggestions for books for my 9yr old daughter. I saved them all and am just now beginning to work through them. My mum wanted suggestions so I went and looked at them and chose the first few..so I have suggested to mum Pamela Dean, Tamora Pierce and Diane Duane for starters. THANK YOU COMMENTARIAT.
@kitteh I did reply, but my post disappeared for some reason. Should I
re-write it or wait to see if it comes back?
Oh, there it is
ArchaeoHolmes – wordpress regurgitation! :D
Apologies, I’d forgotten whether your handle meant “interested” or “professional” – hope I didn’t cause a huge eye roll asking something you’ve prolly heard eleventy billion times already.
There is a paucity of medieval and Roman archaeology in New South. Same here in Victoria. Unfair, I call it.
Is there a period you’re particularly interested in for your work?
BigMomma – that’s not irrelevant, it’s really good to know! Pooping on threads is what trolls do, not regulars. So you aren’t pooping. :)
thanks kitteh (although I am more irregular than regular)
Don’t apologise about time team. I’ve only worked in Australia, in Indigenous archaeology, which is great for so many reasons. Its deep antiquity is one. The other is the peaceful remoteness of the landscapes you get to work in. I’ve spent some time recording rock art in the Blue Mountains NP. Sitting in the bush when it’s so silent that all that you can hear is insects and birds, smelling the trees, and focussing on ancient art for hours on end, is as close to a spiritual experience as you can hope to get. On the other hand, a lot of it is just heritage assessment work before they blast a bit of land for a mine or road or massive housing development, so you are working for Satan sometimes. too.
@archeoholmes…wow
@BigMomma It’s pretty cool
and a fellow NSWer (although I am an import)
@archeoholmes, it sounds very cool, makes me want to go bush,
@BigMomma are you near the bush where you are?
hmmmm, I am on the Far North Coast in a rural town. We went out to Colleranebri (sp?) which was the most remote we have been. (near Moree/Glen Innes). So not really. But we have very active aboriginal communities round here and I have been listening to their tales of country.
It’s beautiful up there.
I love it here, we are so lucky.
The funniest thing about discovering manboobz was – I was very disturbed about comments I read on news websites. There was a flood of horrible men saying terrible things about women. I started imagining what sort of world they wanted to live in, and began writing a story about it, about people like them getting their wish, and how the world would look if they got it. I had never heard of MRAs. I just knew there seemed to be a lot of horrible blokes lurking on the netz. Then, while I was writing, I thought, “This is a bit farfetched”, and felt a bit stupid about my story. Upon coming across manboobz, I realised my story was pure vanilla compared to the world these guys envisioned. Had to get out the thick red texta depicted on the cat above and start again. Rather than chucking the story for being too fanciful, I had to make it a thousand times worse. How can anything be worse than my imagination?
@deoridhe
Thanks :D *squees in happiness*
@ Cthulhu’s Intern
18 is too young for 20? Man, now I feel like a baby, cuz I’m 18 :P Though maybe I’ll think I’m immature in a couple years. XD (I assume you were also talking about the 15, 16, and 17, I’m just nitpicking. Also, caffeinated, and I woke up super early, so bad combo. Tell me if I’m bugging you.)
The reason Glenn jumps from “Zest” to “How many times have you been cheated on” is that he doesn’t jump at all. It’s all meant to reflect properties of you as a person and how you manage your relationships to others – since you’re a woman, you need to be called beautiful to have self esteem (walk down any street in America) – and thus, if you can’t wow men with your zest (i prefer using my zeitgeist), you’re not a real woman and you have no value. Because your passive existence doesn’t make someone else feel desire. You’re doing womaning wrong!
If someone cheats on you, too, it’s not a reflection them. That’s the important bit with the snipe – if people cheat on you, it’s not them, it’s you, it’s always you, because if you could have managed the relationship better they wouldn’t have cheated – because other people are only stimulus response creatures in the most bases of sense and they have no desires of their own, no thoughts, no actions – if someone cheats on you, it reflects badly on you, because you’re not managing your pets correctly. Sort of as if they chew the wrong shoe. ANd if you can’t wow people with your zest (never, ever getting tired of that sentence), you’re a bad person because you can’t wow others – you can’t manage their reactions, you can’t push their correct buttons. You didn’t dispense enough sex or put on enough make-up or give enough blowjobs – you’re not managing their desire for you. Woman-fail.
“When was the last time someone turned you on by looking at you”… ie: When was the last time you enthralled someone with your look, by passively existing. So because you’re a woman, the snipe has to be: “When was the last time you passively existed for someone else to use? When was the last time someone else did the right thing to turn you on, you flatworm?”. He didn’t ask when the last time you masturbated was, because that would imply you could turn yourself on and have fun with your own sexuality in a controlled way unrelated to other people / men / puas.
(Sorry if that’s too personal?)
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In conclusion: GlennP, Good Sir, your interpretation of interpersonal relationships is toxic. And your blinders are creepy. But most importantly: Everything you say makes the world a worse place. For everyone. Shame.
(Maybe I should get a cat pic… no. Must resist)
I’ve had that happen. Had a villain that I thought was over the top, then have a (social worker) friend say “Nah, I know somebody whose boyfriend did that”.
Kills a bit more of your hope for humanity each time it happens.
Has Schmorky been reading ManBoobz?
http://butthug.com/post/45298490511/fffinger
@Fibinachi
You are absolutely dead-on in your analysis.
And this is why they hate women being sexual just as much as they demand sexuality from women. This is the heart of the MRA duality there. WHY DON’T YOU EXIST SOLELY FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE????
@joanimal When I was growing up, we made a lot of trips to South Carolina to visit the extended family and I can still remember folks who would say (as if it was the wittiest thing they’d ever heard) “if she’s old enough to crawl, she’s at least in the right position”. When I was considered old enough to babysit on my own, I argued that I was old enough to stay home for those visits. Carolina country is beautiful, and there is a part of me that would love to have a little farm in the Piedmont, up against the mountains, but the thought of running into folks like that… yeesh… (and sadly, some of them are related to me)
omg, cat invasion! Already a bit hard to tell you apart! ;-)
@BigKitty:
:-D Sounds very plausible!
@Creative Writing Student:
but if you’re commenting on a different Gravatar-enabled blog with with the same email, you’re a kitty there, too! :-D (Imagine something ultra-serious, like particle physics ;-) )
Found this “brilliant” line at GlennPUA.com:
“I’m actually starting to like you… So don’t fuck it up”
How do you say that in Cats / Tails? ;-)
I just can’t get over calling a person “zesty”. Like, it’s like these guys just assume women are food to be consumed and some are different “flavors”. Ick.
Ok, I am caught up, I picked plants over catching up and then nearly fell asleep on my keyboard. Glad to see this thread has remained absurd and my offer of whiskey was OT out of line.
Some Gal — should we be in the same place at the same time, drinks it is!
COYA is a total must have!
Everyone with new kitty avatars, welcome to the cult of cat!
Is Glenn gone? Glenn was scheevy.
Glenn’s name makes me sad, because Glenn from The Walking Dead is loads cooler. And hawt. And a decent human being. So, entirely different from Trollglenn.
@Argenti Aertheri:
You look like the Cheshire Cat! (ok, probably I’m not the first one who tells you that…)
Still catching up, but…
@Falyne
Welcome and feel free to unlurk whenever. We love new people who dislike Glenn P. :)
@ArchaeoHolmes
I have dreamt about arguing with them online. So, yes.
ShiOres — that’s exactly what I was going for, so I don’t mind confirmation that other people get it :)
Also, since we’re owning up to how our nym’s totes reveal our inner selves, I may as well come clean now and admit that I am in fact the Germanic goddess of the dawn and spring. See? I’m even changing my profile pic to show my true self. It’s true I can’t walk down any street in America feeling super confident, mostly just because I don’t really walk, I basically sort of glide everywhere on a sled drawn by bunnies (Radagast stole the idea from me).
Okay, caught up.
@Fibinachi
Really great analysis. It is just really hard for me to think of WOWing or ZESTing men as a passive activity. (Same with walking down the street.) As you all know (but Glenn P doesn’t seem to), I am an actual human person and so when I do something, I am doing it actively. Especially when we are talking about something like achieving my sexual fantasies (or whatever he sad). If I want something in bed, I ask for it, which is active and then I do certain things, which is also active. So, to me, Glenn P listed a bunch if things I DO and then something that would be done TO ME. It seemed totally different.
It is strange to think of devaluing women so much that you could forget they are (at least) active participants in their own lives. Strange and icky.
I just spotted a Freudian typo in my post. Glenn P is sad, but he also said things.
@gillian
gah. *grimaces* …whyyyyy….
@some gal
I never thought about it that way. :/ Does sound like his mind-track though.
If this is really incoherent, I blame the repeating video game music in the background here.
Why would you waste a perfectly good drink like that? I don’t even like whiskey, but I still value it too much to waste it washing some creep’s poorly styled locks.
I’d respond to that with “I was starting to like you to, but look, you just fucked it up. See ya.”
(One of the more stupid things about PUA is that they’re forgetting that women are, on average, possessed of greater linguistic skills than men. We’ve been learning the art of the snide put-down for longer than you have, dudes, and we’re better at it. Don’t make us use that skill on you in front of the friends who you’re trying to impress.)
BigMomma I’m glad the recommendations were useful, I personally had a lot of fun going back and finding the books I read at around your daughters age and remembering why I enjoyed them!
I can’t remember if I recommended them at the time, but The Wizard of Earthsea books by Ursula K. LeGuinn are awesome, particularly as the vast majority of characters are people of colour.
And LeGuinn gets really pissed off when people whitewash her books, like in the cover art of in tv or film adaptations.
Ok, I concede, get the whiskey, drink the whiskey, toss the free peanuts on Glenn. Or maybe a glass of water. Neither’s nearly the waste that whiskey is.
Hey Glenn, want to interpret my nym?
No one tell him what it means, please. Make him do his Latin homework.
@Argenti
I actually think you’d get an answer like his analysis of mine. You are desperate to prove to the world that you are happy. (Happy, hopeful name means the opposite, obvs. Also, you can’t understand Latin for troll reasons.) But, we are the Tweedles – of course we are both hiding crushing boredom and despair. Evil crushing boredom and despair (or was it insane?). :)
I guess my nym means that I never say anything? Evidence says otherwise, but obviously that wouldn’t be important to a PUA.
I wouldn’t want to be drinking around Glenn at all……….
We’re up to 62 signatures on my petition now!
I found something cool….And I have low impulse control so I’m gonna post a excerpt and a link.
How We Criticize Men Vs. How We Criticize Women
http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/how-we-criticize-men-vs-how-we-criticize-women/
@Marie: Actually, I meant just high school in general. Just because of the kind of environment high school is. True, I know there are SOME high school students who don’t conform to its ridiculous social rules, but it’s still too much of a risk.
@ArchaeoHolmes: I never had any dreams about MRAs (at least not any that I can remember), but once I played Hotline Miami right after reading Manboobz and completely involuntarily imagined that the tons of dudes I had to murder were MRAs. It was a… bizarre experience.
Some Gal — we’re the tweedles who can’t figure out if they’re evil, insane, or both. Fitting for tweedles really.
And I can’t know Latin because, um, Cicero is really annoying to EA’s and seriously impossible to understand. Making reading actual Latin quite a challenge.
Historophilia: A suggestion–before you present the petition to whomever, ask them how many signatures it would take to persuade them that they need to reconsider their stance. If you’ve got that number locked up (and especially, if it’s already beaten by a nice margin), you can just slap the petition down and declare, “Done! Next step?” The idea is to keep them from being able to establish a goalpost AFTER you’ve already done your legwork. Pin ‘em down, then you can call bullshit if they try to change it retroactively. I’d suggest e-mail, because it also creates that lovely ‘paper’ trail.
Melody: I’m almost afraid to find out if they have an entry for Pulanski.
Argenti: Forget the peanuts. Glenn is worth nothing more than the peanut shells/paper (depending on the type of peanuts your bar of choice stocks). The good thing about this, though, is that either of those will also cover him in dust that will get under his clothes and hopefully make him so itchy he needs to go change. (Shoulder-devil whispers: “If we’re really lucky, he’s mildly allergic, too!”)
Glenn looks kind of greasy, so if you’re in a bar that offers gummy bears as a snack, throw those. They’ll stick to him, and then he can try his lines while walking around covered in gummy bears,
Fibinachi – I always <3 your comments.
Wowing someone with your zest sounds like sneaking wasabi into their food. Or better yet for Pratchett fans, WowWow Sauce!
… Now there's something I'd like to use on PUAs, MRAs et al …
I was thinking more lemon zest, which would taste a bit odd in certain dishes. I was also thinking “what kind of tool uses a word like that when he’s trying to persuade women that they should want to impress him?”. If Glenn is supposed to be teaching other men social skills and how to verbally charm the ladies, I hope he offers a money back guarantee.
On “Zest”:
Who isn’t wowed by women who use soap?
Now I want to make orange zest scones….But I need to sleep because I have a 14 hour shift coming up……..
I think that attaching gummy bears to Glenn might improve his success rate. With small children, his target audience.
Believe it or not, Wow-Wow Sauce is a real thing, invented by a colorful Victorian fellow named William Kitchiner.
http://mulibraries.missouri.edu/blogs/specialcollections/?p=1083
I made a batch just last night. I’m working on a Regency-themed dinner party, because that’s my questionable idea of fun. Tonight I may make the marmalade.
The weirdest part, for me, was discovering that Victorians had ketchup.
@ Cthulhu’s Intern
That makes sense. I was just bemoaning my youngness XD
@cassandrasays
I am feeling a strange desire to photoshop gummy bears on a picture of a pua…
@some gal
No fair! I use soap, and I’ve hardly ever gotten any dates XD
Some Gal: Dammit, I’d almost managed to push that jingle out of my head (it’s been in there since I first read Glenn’s post).
Hey, since Glenn was kind enough to provide us with a picture anyway…
(I vote for the barnet and the 90s facial hair.)
@Freemage
Sorry. It has been in my head, too. Misery loves company and all that.
Misery Loves Company?
And if Glenn’s a waste of peanuts, he’s certainly a waste of gummi bears.
NEWS FLASH
He’s finally done it. After all the joking around Mr K and I have done latelyl, and the talk here yesterday about speaking Tail, he presented himself with a big, thick, tabby Tail this morning. I saw him twitching and swishing it about under his leather jacket. He just had it for our walk – too uncomfortable to sit on, he said. :) But oh, it was funny!
When I said it looked like he’d copied Maddie’s tail he stamped his foot and said “It is MY tail.” I said he should have flicked it instead of stamping, but he said “No, stamping is uniquely human petulance.”
He had a great time exploring what it’s like to have a tail for those few minutes. Felt like the extension of the spine that it is, and he even ended up chasing it for a moment.
He always did like costumes – his court ballets were literally fantastic – I guess this is like costume, only better!
I told him he better not get ideas about turning into cat completely, though. I ain’t letting anything with a barbed penis near me. :P
@cassandra says
sadly I am too lazy to do that right now XD but it sure was tempting.
@kittehs
Yay! If he likes the tail :D
Also, cats have barbed penises O_O did not know.
This clip cannot come close to Argenti Aertheri’s awesome clip, but there is a ten second description of glenning at the 60 second mark, “you know how men are…” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO1IIlCDCEs (Hercules meets Meg from the Disney film)
Neither did he! You should have seen his face when I told him.
Not that I really think he was gonna try turning into a cat, but it was worth mentioning. :D
Kittehs’, A tail? That’s hilarious. :D
Hilarious is the word! Especially watching him flick it around through the vent in his jacket, like he was a real cat annoyed by hoomins messing about with The Tail. :D
Sir has written* a diary entry about tails and other stuff!
*Well, all right, dictated a diary entry, if you want to be picky.
Barnet? Is that rhyming slang? Are you a Cockney?
I missed that, but yeah, I’m lost too – barnet?
Hair. It’s an old-school British thing.
@ArchaeoHolmes- I would very much like to read this story of yours.
@Shaenon- Victorian ketchup? I am intrigued… it seems like a far too low and coarse sauce for fancy elegant Victorian meals.
finally unlurking, hey people
my dad is from Manchester, and growing up I heard the word barnet a lot but never really thought to ask what it meant. I was under the assumption that it was some type of mullet for the longest time.
My granny only uses that word when she’s disparaging someone’s hairstyle, and, well, did you see Glenn’s picture?
(Admittedly the 90’s douchebag facial hair isn’t helping. I guess PUAs got stuck in the period where people first started to notice their creepy little movement.)
There’s worse in their forum, in the post called “all women are whores and deserve to get raped and shot” :
“i fap 3 times a day at least and still wanna fuck a slut
i cant imagine this no fap bullshit only male models can do that
sometimes i even go to public crowded places to grop sluts and get away, i like to feel their asses and legs, too bad i cant touch thier boobs
sometimes when its too crowded i stand behind a whore and rubbing slowly on her ass im expert in this so the stupid bithces dont notice
once i stole my friends mom (she is a hot slut with big tits) panties lied on my bed and began fucking them it was the best feeling in my whole shitty life
i wanna steal some heels and cum into them but im afraid she will notice
i cant take it anymore, is that everything i can get? will i never fuck a slut? even a fat one i dont care i even prefer fat whores cuz they have big tits and i can touch them all the time and cum in their face
yet they walking around half naked fucking with male models
all women are whores”
http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=63098
Maybe one day (when US gov will cop Internet like your regular European soviet state is currently trying to do) this guy will face a judge for having written such a thing anonymously on a dead end forum. An embarrassed asocial guy will be accused of being misogynist and rape-apologist and being a patriarchy supporter for having spewed some hateful things in an unknown website nobody’s never heard of.
It will be a great thing, the patriarchy will not be defeated until those Internet misogynist activists aren’t neutralized.