Men Who Hate Women Debate How Quickly Women Go Bad
Over on PUAhate.com, a fellow named Virgil challenges the widely held manosphere notion that women start losing their appeal once they hit their early 20s. According to him, the real turning point comes at the ripe old age of 25 or so. Why? Let’s let him explain — and in the process demonstrate how to use the word “c*ntathlon” in a sentence.
Behaviour has to count for something.
Any between ages 18-21 is in her Looks/reproductive Prime but The behaviour in these ages stinks.
Its like a competition to see who can out-cunt the other.
From simple things like skipping lines, to humiliating people in public, to ostracising people.
Its a damn cuntathlon.
We have to have some quality control here okes.
I fully agree that age 24-25 is the tip of the iceberg here folk.
Walk with me.
-she still looks attractive
-She’s starting work and therefore is in a controlled environment where validation is far less.Thus cooling the cunty behaviour
-she’s at the perfect equilibriu$ of grown up behaviour and youthful Looks.
Virgil gets some challenges from the regulars.
JackOfJokers argues that 25-year-olds are still as badly behaved as 18-21-year-olds, and not as good-looking:
Sounds nice in theory Virgil, but the truth is they still get validated fuckloads by desperate office guys, they’re super stuck up, and they definitely look much worse; fat, cellulite, wrinkles, shitty diet, etc.
Mechanical Animals agrees:
If you think girls act much different from 18-21 to 24-25 you are fucking deluded.
Life after high school is exactly that, a continuation after high school.
What does this mean is exactly that, the good looking people keeps living in a bubble of validation way past their academical period.
Life of the sub 8 is a dead end, a merciless damnation. Think about all these beautiful, fucking females. You will never touch them.
The “sub-8” bit is a reference to the notion, seemingly held by 90% of the denizens of PUAhate, that only “male models” ever get to have sex with women.
Genetically Inferior, meanwhile, makes the case for “jailbait.”
15-18 is prime for a female but nobody will admit it
This arouses much ire from the regulars, not so much because Genetically Inferior is being a crepy pedo, but because “at 15 most chicks barely even have any tits developed,” as the similarly named Genetics puts it. “Wake up to reality incel,” Genetics continues in a second comment,
stop comparing tumblr feeds and “jailbait” associated websites of the top percent of teens to the average titless whore. At fifteen you’re merely in grade 10, most chicks have little tits and ass to show for.
Doesn’t start getting good untill 17-18 then peak at 21
I gave up reading the thread at this point as it seemed to have degenerated into little more than a collection of “jailbait” pictures.
Posted on March 13, 2013, in creepy, incel, misogyny, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, PUA and tagged incel, misogyny, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 771 Comments.
CWA: Just remember, the blockquotes beast is best placated by letting it pet kittens.
GlennP is still a horrible, horrible human being, but now he’s a vaguely amusing one, in the sense that I’m laughing at him, not with him. Sadly, this sort of thing is usually pretty short-lived. Did his little swipe at somegal rise to the point of requesting a banhammer, or should we just continue to mock his rather pathetic (and increasingly predictable) efforts? Looking for the opinions of folks more established here than I.
I’ll post a picture. Glenn, all these pictures are me.
What? It’s lunch. I’m eating a salad.
@cloudiah I can has some popcorn, too?
I get it. He’s trying for the pua ‘masterclass’ – go on a site with a bunch of feminists mocking the behavior of people like him and trying to neg them into engaging with him. Because he’s totally missed the little detail that he isn’t entitled to any form of ‘proof’ of anything, even that anyone read his post.
I call pancakes, yummy, delicious pancakes. Or just plain old cake.
@Historophilia Have you thought about making a red velvet cake, so that it looks all bloody and gory when you cut into it?
I wonder how these guys feel about being called misogynists, since the term so obviously applies. I mean, it’s one thing when people are like “I’m not a misogynist! I just believe men and women belong in different spheres, and the ‘man’ sphere just happens to be where all the power and self-determination resides!” It’s a whole other thing to say “I’m not a misogynist, I just think women are terrible cunts, am disgusted by the idea of them, and feel sorry for myself because I need to interact with them in order to have the kind of orgasms I want.” Like, at that point, you’ve got to understand you hate women, right?
We usually just mock them and poke at them until they pop, earning a banhammer.
However, since Glenn is the lowest of the low, I’d be OK with just getting rid of him.
@some gal
until you described your avatar I was reading it as a knights helmet for some reason. Me and my brain :/
Glenn’s worst sin is that he’s such a cliche.
Seriously. What will Glenn say next?
Something about cats.
@Cloudiah
They look so….joyous…..eating their salad.
@Marie I posted on the other thread, but I’m not sure you saw about my apartment:
I have lights. I have lamps and whatnot, but my apartment is below ground (that is what a basement apartment is). So, you know how you might have a patio or a big window looking outside? I don’t have those things.
I dance when I’m stressed. And my job is stressful so I dance more nowadays. I really should get back into a ballet class, but it seems like a waste of time because I’m too top heavy.
@Some Gal Not Bored at All:
okay…
(I found the “sexual fantasies” part especially creepy.)
@GlennP:
Would you offer me a drink, too? But I only accept Bitcoins (not giving up my anonymity to this guy). Won’t use the money for something else, I promise. ;-)
@cloudiah
I see you have many faces. *bows to shape shifting abilities*
…I want a salad. I didn’t have a good lunch.
Is… is Glen trying to pick up Some Gal? 0_o It’s suddenly very appropriate that I brought popcon for lunch today.
Also @katz, I’m er, sorry if I poked the monster in the eye at GGP and made a fake blog into work for you. :( I’ll stop feeding the troll this time, I promise.
@Freemage Can we keep him a little longer? So far he’s been utterly predictable and I want to see if he stays true to form!
Also, if there’s gonna be updating of the profile pix, I want to see if he’s gonna wash that smudge off his face, it looks like he’s got a bit of ink or something there…
@melody
Thanks for answering :) I was just a little confused about the lights. I think I’d’ve gone back and checked it, I’m just only on this one atm cuz it’s updating so fast.
Oh, dude, you aren’t the world. I doubt you’re even a city block.
“Post a picture of yourself and prove to me that you are a woman with options… I bet you won’t change your avatar pic!!!”
You’re assuming your avatar pic is so awesome? Why? Once again, how old are you, Glen? How many women have you been with?
You’re watching the wrong movies, pal. Women don’t weep when stupid questions are presented to us via an obnoxious stranger. So this shit is all fail:
“When is the last time you’ve been held in the arms of a man that can turn you on just by looking at you?”
I mean, for fuck’s sake, that’s remedial soap opera writing at its worst.
Also, you still don’t think this crowd knows what negging is — once again, in stupid soap opera meleodrama:
“When is the last time you’ve truly felt alive and like a woman who can confidently walk down any street in America and be sure of herself? When is the last time you’ve turned the head of a man, had him approach you and then you WOW’D him with your intellect, spontaneity and zest for life?”
Mentioning “intellect” in the last half doesn’t disguise the fact that you are shallow.
“How many times have you been cheated on???”
Glen, dear, how many times have you made a woman come? Once again…I’m all ears.
“I bet you will hide behind the ” I don’t have to prove anything to the world mentality…”
She doesn’t have anything to prove, meathead.
Glenn P wrote us a choose-your-own-adventure chick lit.
Not even a closet in a studio apartment.
Glenn P, fuck off.
I probably should have said bad choose-your-own-adventure chick lit, but as we are talking about Glenn P, I figured it was implied.
Cats… then something about fatness and wrinkles. He’ll cast aspersions on our feminity and sexuality. Then some more about cats. Some bullshit bragging about how he’s constantly having sex with HB10 (did I say that right) 18-25 year olds. Probably something about how we’re all poor. He’ll make a dramatic exit; fail to stick the flounce. Hang around so we can make fun of him a little bit longer and then log off, have a beer maybe with friends, do some online gaming and masturbate to porn.
At least, that’s how I imagine most of our trolls behave.
So, back on choose-your-own-adventur chick lit he wrote, what does walking down the streets confidently and being sure of yourself have to do with men? Or are we poor ladies just nothing without a man?
OTish but I hate choose-your-own-adventure books. I read to read about characters, not to insert myself into a story (nothing against people who want to do that, it’s just how my reading works.)
I especially like the bit about walking down any street in America. Because, if Glenn P did know anything about me, it could actually be a swipe at me (still a miss, but more targeted than the random swinging he is engaging in).
You guys know me, I am the walkiest walker who ever walked.
I was kind of hoping he’d say we’ll all die alone with our cats. I’d like to have cats when I’m old.
I meant “femininity.”
You missed a spot, Nobinayamu. There will be references to the menfolk here as either “maginas”, “suck-up betas/zetas/omegas” and similar comments. Remember, they have to convince themselves that it’s impossible to be a man and not be a misogynistic fuckwit, because otherwise, they have no excuse.
Yes, and the question — “So you WOW him?” Very soulful. *snicker*
Did I hear a flounce? Was their a flounce yet?
To pinheads like Glenn, why else would we be walking down the street?
Numpties like Glenn have no idea that their cold-call, go up to a woman on the street and bug the shit out of her techniques just make us feel like it’s open season on us. I’ve never wanted to fuck some random off the street.
@Freemage
I don’t know to the first. I’m more amused than anything else and am happy to keep mocking, but I also don’t think the standard should be what I can take. There is nothing wrong with being hurt by the things these assholes say (after all, they are meant to be hurtful). If he violates what the community and our host feel is acceptible, I will be happy to see him go. Until that time, though, an enthusiastic yes to the second.
@hellkell
Yeah. Guess to Glenn and jerkwads the only reason we’d leave the house is if we wanted to find a mate or fuck them *barfs*
@hellkell
I have found guys on the street attractive enough to fuck, but never have they remained attractive after harassing me. Personality counts. I’d rather fuck some guy I barely know than one who the only thing I know about him is that he is a harasser.
(Fucking guys you barely know is a good way to wind up sleeping with guys who do treat women badly, but just haven’t done it in front of you yet. If you are okay with this as I basically was, have fun!)
Hey Glen! Come and analyze my name and tell me all about me!
Pretty please? I want a good laugh too…
That’s another example of a technique that they think works because it works on them. Notice how many trolls, especially PUAs, seem to be looking for an excuse to post a picture to validate themselves?
No worries! It isn’t work. I didn’t even write a real OP. Everyone is welcome to keep posting there as long as it amuses them. (“Canina” cracked me up.)
Since there are a lot of newer people around, I thought I’d post the instructions for if you do want to customize your gravatar image. No one should feel pressured to do so, of course, but if you want something other than the out-of-the-box icons just follow these steps. (The instructions are specifically how to change to a cat gravatar, but the same steps would work for any image. Such as, say, a woman riding a very large ostrich.)
I can’t remember what the P in GGP stands for, katz. Pretty sure it wasn’t pretzels.
@pillow in hell
Well, if your name is pillow in hell, you must be a cushion in heaven desperate to prove to the world you are not. That’s how all names work, right? Shiraz is a white wine. Bagelsan is a donut, hellkell is in heaven with you, Freemage is an imprisoned fighter, ….
I have this fantasy, where catcallers’ phone numbers are imput into a call center and then randomly given to a caller. The caller phones them and says “Hello. You look attractive today,” and then puts the phone down and moves onto the next random caller. This then continues until they agree to renounce catcalling, and are watched to ensure they never do it again. The calls can happen at all times and there is no set order or time. Oh, and the callers are not allowed to stop until the catcaller answers the phone themself.
I know it’s kinda ethically grey but it’s so satisfying to imagine it.
It’s like a weird combination between a shampoo commercial and commercial for those spice packs that make salad dressings and marinades.
I turned 30 last year and my happiness about it has continually increased since then. I’m repellant to MRAs but am having the best sex of my life with my incredible husband; I’m obviously no longer in the target demographic for most hair, makeup, and fashion ads; and I have finally become the person I spent my entire 20s wanting desperately to be.
The rest of my life is shaping up to be EPIC.
@ostara
Now I want a salad. You’re the second person on this thread to make me want a salad!
I shall try to change my avatar now. I would love a cat one :D
Marie, if it makes you feel any better my salad wasn’t that great. I would have made a better one myself if I could’ve forced myself to get up 10 minutes earlier this morning.
I’ve been writing all afternoon and I’m too tired for Glenn’s silliness, so PUPPEH!
I defy anyone to watch that and not make grabby hands at the monitor going “Come on! You can do it! You can do it!”
Aww nuts Some Gal, I was hoping to be a really hard pew in heaven.
My greatest life aspirations have been dashed.
The cold-call approach is one of the things that really irks me about the PUA snake-oil salesmen. I mean, how fucking much must you hate shy/lonely/inexperienced men (and love taking their money) for you to try and convince them that hitting on lots and lots of random strangers is a good way to seek out sexual and romantic partners?
Whenever I get hit on, not holla’ed at but really hit on, by some poor dude who clearly doesn’t have the self-esteem to be hitting on total strangers, I think about these fuckwits. And, as long as the guy isn’t a total asshole about the rejection, I feel a mix of pity and anger. Because this is someone who should be learning how to become a more well-rounded person, building up their own self-esteem, and interacting within their own social circle and warm approaching women.
The moment the dude launches into some sort of canned, incongruous routine, I just want to pat him on the shoulder, tell him to stop, and ask him who told him this was a good idea.
It’s like how I feel about the inner city kids who’re dropped off in wealthy suburban neighborhoods and shopping centers to try and solicit for scam artists.
@cloudiah.
Aww. Sorry your salad wasn’t that good. I like salad too, I just normally don’t bother to make it.
Has Glenn P gone? I always feel disappointed when they don’t announce it because then we don’t get the extra little laugh when they come back within a day.
But actually, going back to what GlennTrollPee had to say about Some Gal… I mean, what if everything he said WAS true and Some Gal was miserable and alone. What kind of asshole is needlessly cruel to someone who is already suffering? Seriously. If you find yourself doing that, it’s the point at which you should reassess your life choices and make some changes, or just resign yourself to being an asshole to random strangers on the internet. And won’t that epitaph look nice on your tombstone?
Salad is all gone. Back to work!
Aww, I hope he hasn’t gone. I want him to share his insight into my sad little life, because I like attention.
@Nobinayamu
I’ve never been hit on by a PUA, but the worst pick-up attempt I’ve ever seen was some guy who tried to hit on my just-turned-21 (at the time) little sister. He had to be in his late 30s, early 40s and he had his laptop open on the bar. He said he had a lot of email because he was a webmaster. This was said in a way that was supposed to be impressive.
If it hadn’t been inappropriate because of the age thing, I might have felt bad for him. Has a woman ever gone out with a guy because of the size of his Inbox?
Chick lit choose your own adventure? That does sound fun.
You are confidently walking down the street. You have turned the head of a man.
If you continue turning his head to get him to impersonate an owl, go to page 54.
If you attempt to wow him with your intellect with a Sherlockian display of deduction (or induction, whatever peaks your interest), go to page 12
If you attempt to turn his head back, go to page 91
If you don’t even notice him, continue to page 6.
I used to be able to clear an entire convenience store parking lot of men simply by getting out of my car. Does that count? They were totes WOW’d but did not dare approach, and I didn’t have to say a word!
I am successfully a kitty! *squees* I’m so cute and I have floppy ears!
*dignified cough* I mean, my avatar updated. Yay :D
@some gal
Sorry to hear that creep was hitting on your sister.
*goes to page 54*
Probably, if inbox is a euphemism, but he’d have to be the bottom.
All this talk about “choose your own adventure books” has inspired me to write my own. Now introducing “Tulgey’s Choose Your Own Trollventure! Volume One: The Saddo of Sargasso”.
I can tell this is really going to take off.
The most spontaneous things I ever do are choosing where to get dinner.
Two hours in advance. Instead of that morning.
I don’t get how that’s supposed to be a personal failing that means I will never get laid again.
(testing to see if my new gravatar shows up…)
@Tulgey – your forgot step 3:
@Baroncognito
I am so torn between pages 54 and 6. Decisions, decisions. (And applause!)
@cloudiah
This is why I think it important to note that, even though I was having a blast at his expense, there is nothing okay about what he did. Glenn P tried to test my boundaries and, when that failed, he resorted to attacking anything about me he could think of. That behavior is incredibly wrong. Glenn P should feel bad about his behavior independent of my reaction because it was very bad behavior.
@Cloudiah, GGP = Governments Get Puppies. Though pretzels would be good too. Why does the world ignore my pretzel-less plight!?? *cries*
*turns to page six*
Did you fail to notice the random dude because you saw your lover and you lit up with a thousand watt smile? Turn to page six.
Did you fail to notice the random dude because you noticed an embroidery pattern featuring your favorite characters from Earth Final Conflict and fell into rapture? Turn to page fifteen.
@Marie
I cannot tell you how many times I have clicked through on someone’s gravatar and gone “Oh, THAT’S what that was.” I think I kept seeing one of The Kittehs’ as a fishtank (it was a picture of her and the mister and I knew that and still my brain kept seeing a fishtank).
I might make a knight’s helmet, though. I have been planning on replacing it with a Perler-beaded cat to fit in while doing my own thing, but haven’t gotten around to it.
(FWIW, it is the Disney princesses because I made the patterns for them myself. Sometimes I am more directly inspired by patterns other people own than I am comfortable promoting…)
Page 6: You continue your life without interacting with the man and you reach your destination on time, allowing you five minutes to grab a quick bite before you get on with things.
To buy a pretzel, go to Bayern.
To get a bageldog, you’re out of luck, which is too bad because bagel dogs were awesome. (though I found a recipe online).
To get a danish, go to the coffee cart.
Page 54: You continue turning his head and flag down someone to help put a fluffy white jacket, a beak, and large round lenses on his eyes. You knew you carried those items around for a reason.
That should have been page sixteen for the first choice. Sheesh.
I don’t know. It could be a Braincandy “stuck in your happiest moment forever” type thing.
By, say, not offering to blow and/or emotionally validate the older men who’re leering at them at the coffee shop/in line at the grocery store/when they’re waiting for their schoolbus?
Page fifteen.
You have died an enviable death while following your lifes greatest passions. Welcome to heaven, filled with fine linens, the finest flosses in every hue of the universe and seventeen types of embroidery magazines to keep you happily working on projects from now to the end of eternity, plus three days.
I’d always thought Some Gal’s username was making fun of that troll Some-Guy-Bored-With-Your-Schtick. I could be wrong about that.
This PUA-troll, he’s deep.
Back to the OP and JackOfJokers:
We now have both office guys and Facebook friends as two groups who validate women who don’t “deserve” it. I feel like I should start a list (although the list of what was misandric got unwieldy and I didn’t really save it like I should have. I remember the thread though and plan to put it together eventually). I am sure that there will be many more since these guys don’t seem to ever deserve validation.
Have we ever gotten other women listed as a source of “unearned” validation. I think it is implied in all the feminists are ruining the world talk, but have they ever explicitly said it?