Man Boobz Contest: Find the Whiniest, Most Entitled Response to Anita Sarkeesian
From “Damsel in Distress: Part 1 – Tropes vs Women in Video Games.”
So Anita Sarkeesian, who apparently didn’t run off with all her Kickstarter money to found a Misandist Gynarchy in the wilds of Canada, has released the first video in her Tropes vs Women in Video Games project. (I’ve embedded it below.)
Naturally, this is causing great consternation in certain corners of the Internet (*cough* Reddit *cough cough* everywhere else that misogynistic nerds congregate *cough*). In the Man Boobz forum, Katz has started a contest to see who can find “the whiniest, brattiest, most entitled response” to Sarkeesian’s video on the Internet. So far Katz and Myoo have found a couple classic comments from irate Sarkeeianaphobes:
[H]ow does one go about stating that genders and gender roles are social constructs? I mean is evolution nothing to her? Does the patriarchy make male peacocks dress provocatively?
Yes. Yes it does.
And:
I’m gradually losing respect for the opposite sex. I’ve unfollowed people on tumblr who talk about how great she is, because it actually causes bile to rise in to my throat.
Yeah, that’s a totally reasonable response to a woman making a video about video games.
So anyway, I’m thinking we should bring the contest over here.
See what you can find! Consider it a sort of scavenger hunt.
Here’s my contribution, from the Men’s Rights subreddit, complaining that Damsels in Distress are the truly privileged ones:
Amazingly, this acutally got called out on r/mr as being pretty damn stupid.
Also, I have another question, to add to the stack of other questions I’ve been asking lately: Just why do you think so many guys get so angry when girls and women invade what they consider a male sphere, like gaming? (Also, why do they consider gaming to belong to boys and men?)
Oh, and here’s the video that’s causing all this hubbub:
Posted on March 9, 2013, in all about the menz, antifeminism, are these guys 12 years old?, david has questions, drama kings, entitled babies, evil women, evo psych fairy tales, harassment, I'm totally being sarcastic, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed men, reddit, ShitRedditSays and tagged anita sarkeesian, tropes vs women. Bookmark the permalink. 1,073 Comments.
Forgot to add: I can’t fathom how rigid plastic Crocs (or Birkenstocks) would be comfortable, either, but that’s ‘cos among other things my feet are totally flat and pronated and the idea of hard built-in arch supports that don’t match my feet is OW territory.
Sir knitted himself a pair of socks t’other day, inspired by one of the guys at work, whose MiL knitted THE best pair of patterned socks, which he was showing off, lol.
You know, I personally don’t have the patience for it, but it warms the cockles* of my heart how kind and generous some people here are towards commenters who’ve really done nothing to deserve it and a lot of things that would justify not being kind or generous to them at all.
* I’ve always wondered why hearts are supposed to contain shellfish.
Myoo: Whew! But talk about Poe’s Law!
@The Kittehs’
My Crocs are really soft and bendy plastic almost like a silicone baking dish, but slightly more firm. I can’t speak for the arch thing as mine do pretty well in most shoes. (Thankfully, something about my feet is easy. :) )
Also (and more importantly) bravo! Bravo! for your response to Do Re.
titianblue – I LOVE Josef Siebel boots! I have a pair almost identical to those, but in dark brown. Yeah, painfully expensive, though: they’re over $200 here.
Yeah, Myoo I thought it was obvious it was a parody — but on the other hand, commenters on the story don’t seem so sure…
I don’t really get how arch supports work? My arches are pretty high, but the only times I’ve tried on shoes that have a bit that sticks up there it’s bothered me so much that I couldn’t wear them. I guess I’m just used to there being a gap between my arch and the shoe. Is the support supposed to fit snugly against the arch?
@katz
There’s also the fact that I can’t see any MRA actually doing the work to actually accomplish that, but I could totally see them making an angry post about it.
@CassandraSays
Seconded.
Hmm, afraid I’ll be the odd one out with Jason Momoa. Never heard of him before and that picture just made me think “weird eyebrows”. :P
I’m just imagining this thing pressing up into my arch all day and it being like having a stone stuck in your shoe. Presumably it doesn’t feel like that if they fit the way they’re supposed to?
I think I’m just kind of a baby about anything pressing against my feet in certain ways. Can’t wear thong sandals either. But 4 inch heels are fine, for some reason.
Cassandra, Some Gal – thank ‘ee! I have these occasional fits of being nice. They don’t usually last long. ;)
I think arch supports are supposed to stop the arch flattening out when walking in shoes, where the foot strikes differently from the way it would barefoot. I know fitted orthotics push the foot back into the position it’s meant to be in; mine are to even the length of my legs, and stop the feet rolling in so much. They’re not the most comfortable thilngs, because they’re rigid plastic with no spring, and I wear insoles over them for the most part, but they certainly help my posture. It’s a lot less comfortable when I walk barefoot.
Cassandra – they can feel like that, or like having a ball pressing into your foot. It’s really noticeable when you’re flat footed. My feet are so flat even my podiatrist was impressed, lol.
Seconding the things-rubbing-feet! I spend so much time stopping to shake out the tiniest things – coarse sand, twig fragments, whatever – from my shoes because I can’t stand the feel of them under my foot. Princess and the pea, shoe version!
The last time I was nice, we got Martyn. I think I’m going to try not to be nice. (Although Poxy didn’t insult me and kept half answering me, so maybe I am not being mean enough? I’m sure they’ll be a new troll to practice my meanness on soon.)
That’s part of why I don’t love ballet flats, not enough shoe between my foot and the ground so I can feel every pebble I walk over. It’s usually fit issues that bug me though, like with high arches you often find the top of your foot a bit above the toes rubbing against the vamp of the shoe if the shoe doesn’t fit just right, and it’s really annoying.
Other than the hypersensitivity Kittehs and I have opposite feet. When I do the footprint thing they sometimes use to test that the centre part of my foot isn’t touching the ground at all, there’s a big space in the middle, unless I deliberately press down, and even then the inner arch doesn’t touch.
OT: Can someone give me a good name for a young Chinese woman? My naming creativity is really running on fumes.
@Katz, have you seen this page? it might help you get on track, or at least not commit a cultural gaffe
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChineseNames
this might be useful too http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChineseSiblingTerminology
Thanks, but I really don’t use TVTropes as a source. I know the conventions of Chinese naming; I just have a limit to how many names I can come up with before I go dry.
My suggestion? Poke around on Chinese diaspora pop culture sites. Movie sites, music sites, TV drama sites. On those sites are tons of young Chinese women (both performers and fans), and you can see their names. So you’ll end up with names that don’t sound archaic or dated.
@kittehs
Well, I haven’t been driven up a wall yet :D
yay! *takes a bow* I know someone also showed me a dancing jiggly puff with the keys, but sadly I’ve forgotten how to do it :(
My only guess is the people who make shoes only make them for one arc, ignoring that everyone’s feet are different. :/ The arch support always works fine for me.
dang, I’ve forgotten who Martyn was…and xie sounds familiar. Are they an old troll, or is my memory just failing. (asking cuz I’ve been lurking for a little bit, so in theory I should recognize him.)
@katz
have you tried behind the name (.com)? they normally have names organized by gender, and countries/ areas. It’s pretty handy.
@Marie
Martyn is fairly recent. He was extremely verbose and dense. The bulk of his stay was here, but he first showed up a couple threads before that one.
Cassandra, that’s a clever idea.
His full name was Martyn Hare if that helps and he showed up as something with Nerd in it (?) first.
Just don’t name her after Fan Bing Bing – too much pressure.
Give it time! :D
Speaking of which, talking about socks ==> Googling pictures of cable-knit socks ==> finding picture of cable-that-isn’t-socks ==> this.
(Whaddya mean, I’m slacking off at work?)
@some gal
thanks of the link, I remember him now :) trolls just all go in one eye and out the other.
@The Kittehs’
That is a fantastic sweater and it suits him very nicely.
I always worry about staining clothes that color. I know that I have one thing I absolutely can’t spill on, that is what I will spill on. I can be extremely clumsy.
Me too, me too! Every time I eat something with tomato in it, I end up with red patches on whatever I was wearing.
Reminds me of once years ago, a friend who was also a Food Klutz and I were congratulating each other on wearing clothes the same colour as our food at a restaurant.
Sir’s a bit of a food spiller too. Yes, it does still happen over There – I managed to wear a sticky pastry on our marriage-marker day. My FiL said “I’m glad I’m not the only one in the family who still does that.” Which showed that Mr K has been keeping his terrible secret from his papa for centuries! XD
The good thing is one can wish the muck away, or even adapt the clothes. Mr Smarty Pants made his black jumper the colour of a bread roll with sesame seeds on it recently, so all the crumbs would blend in. :/
He’s very fond of Arans, in fact I was teasing him about his multiplicity of Aran jumpers this morning when he was claiming he doesn’t need much variety in his clothes. Cobblers to that, milord!
This is why I fear white pants. They’re pretty much a guarantee that you’ll spill coffee/pasta sauce/soy sauce.
Oh gods yes, I won’t ever where white pants. Stains from travelling on public transport, food stains, and not least, indelible purple ink at work. Not a good look.
I’m not caught up yet but SHOES! There’s a reason I keep whining about how much I wish heels weren’t so strongly coded feminine!
But yeah, I stumbled upon these — http://www.dsw.com/shoe/charles+david+griot+boot?prodId=242357&activeCats=dsw2cat40002,dsw12cat540001,dsw11cat60004
And am entirely in love (that’s how I got converted to the cult of skinny jeans actually, gotta show off my boots!) Wish the heel was chunkier, but they pass as punk/goth, what with the front being a row of metal and all.
First pair of real leather shoes I’ve ever owned actually…still feels weird to be wearing a cow, but fuck if I don’t love them! (Granted “what ARE you wearing?!” and “how can you walk in those?!” get said every time I wear them, but compared to the less strictly feminine platforms? I find them a dream)
@Argenti
Those are awesome! Sixteen inches! :)
Whoa, gorgeous boots! I had a pair like that but with heels half the height in the 90s.
Serious nuisance if you got an itchy foot, though. :D
There are my stompy boots. Since they were cheap I bought multiple pairs, and they’re not real leather anyway, so I don’t care if I trash them. Work with skinny jeans or tights!
http://www.dsw.com/shoe/diba+deep+lee+boot?prodId=210706
They zip down the side! I don’t have the patience to lace all that!
And fuck, I have a corset around here someplace, I lace that…actually, that’s be very much Mr. K’s era. Maybe a bit later.
Also, as far as the whole thing about how heels without heels are meant to hobble and look like foot binding (or torture devices if you ask me) — this — http://design-milk.com/scary-beautiful-shoes-by-leanie-van-der-vyver/
Read the text as they aren’t “real” (they physically exist, but it’s an artistic statement, not actual footwear)
They satirise the hell out of the damned fashion industry, don’t they? I wouldn’t call them beautiful in any sense, but they certainly make a statement.
Cassandra, those are awesome.
Some Gal — they come up to just below my knees, kinda awkward currently as I have an egg sized multi-color bruise at that level from my idiocy on the stairs the other night (fell up the stairs, barefoot, I’m just gifted like that)
@Argenti
I remember you saying you fell. TBH, it is something I used to do all the time when we had an apartment with stairs. I luckily just got rug-burn, though, never bruises. I am so happy to not be dealing with stairs anymore. [stair rant redacted]
That seems like a very bad spot to have a bruise and a boot end at the same time. Can you wear them (and walk) or do you need more healing first?
Have you been able to undo the laces at the top of the boot, Argenti, to get a bit less pressure there?
I had a devil of a time about three years back, when I tripped over a low chain fence and landed on my ankle. I had a spectacular swollen, purple foot for weeks and was limited to one pair of lace-up boots – good thing it was cool weather!
Totally OT, the blog I post when can’t be stuffed writing is up. :)
Good arch supports are supposed to keep your feet from pronating or the arch from flattening. I have custom orthotics for my feet because I have massive heel spurs and bad plantar fascitis in both feet. I can’t wear shoes without them. But since they’re custom made they were fitted to my feet. An arch support that forces your foot into an uncomfortable position is not something you should wear.
Jason Mamoa = yum. He was Ronon Dex on “Stargate: Atlantis” and they NEVER gave him enough to do. *is still bitter he and Elizabeth did not spend an episode stranded together somewhere*
Plantar fasciitis sucks majorly. I have it too, it’s what finally sent me to a podiatrist. Have you had the treatment with the ultrasound wand thingy?
Nice boots!
Kittehs’ and I must have been blogging at the same time.
So, the MRAs at AVfM have written a statement of unity, kinda sorta, or maybe it’s a MANifesto. To be honest I can’t read it, it’s really long. But you know how we’ve pointed out that they always seem to want to make things WORSE as long as they can make women suffer, rather than trying to improve things for everyone? “Perseus” in the comments makes that abundantly clear when he proposes the following demands:
I struggled with monster plantar fasciitis for three long years and it was debilitating. I discovered a couple years ago that another one of the women in the lab, a neuroscientist, had the exact same thing and it was revelatory. Our experiences were near identical. Both of us spend most of the day standing at a lab bench, which is just the worst with plantar fasciitis.
Over a two month period of working at a desk, I lost 15lbs and stayed off my feet. After those eight weeks, it was as though I’d never had plantar fasciitis. There was no indication I had ever had the condition. It was as if it had been a really bad, persistent dream.
I feel the faintest ache in my heal now and panic. It’s never recurred though.
Who’s hosting that? That seems likely to violate their ToS (a terrorist act if you piss off the US gov’n in the process *rolls eyes*)
As for my boots and knee, my knee doesn’t hurt so much as look hilarious, and the boots aren’t that tight (probably doesn’t hurt any that I unlaced them completely to treat the leather since I bashed my knee, so they fit beautifully now)
And yeah, I fucking hate stairs, the law firm office manager from hell always insisted the lunch room was the third floor, because the mezzanine “didn’t count”. Like fuck, I have to walk up a flight of stairs right? It’s the fourth floor then!
@Argenti
The not hurting is good!
The stairs in our last apartment were trying to kill us (with the cat helping by sleeping on them)! I can’t count how many times the boyfriend or I fell down them. And I think I used 90% of the energy/pain tolerance I had in a day going up and down them once the fibro started. Now, no more stairs for me and I can actually do some things around the apartment. So, yeah, stairs are evil.
made up words
All words are, “made up”.
“Hierarchy is always going to be around, no matter what form it’s in, so quit challenging this one and just accept it!”
This is why Republican Rome still rules the world.
Go ahead, pretend feminism outside the West is anything as prevalent or extreme as the kind practiced by whites.
False premise. If one looked at the feminism of 200 years ago it was trivial, and very localised and beneath contempt. Today you are trying to defend against it, and seem to be aware (just barely) that it’s spreading.
No, kitty. We’re not concerned about feminist whines. We’re concerned with crushing feminism itself. You see the distinction there?
No, there is no distinction. What you call feminism is also what you disparage as fruitless whining. One and the same. Your idea of, “crushing” feminism is to make the feminists, “stop whining” and accept the world the way you wish it was.
What logic? You’ve not presented an argument. You’ve asserted that “feminism is irrelevant” because “the West” is outnumbered and the non-west doesn’t do feminism.
That’s not logic, it’s bloviation.
Stairs ARE evil! Death to stairs!
Down with stairs!
Bad pun is bad
Kitteh said:
“Plantar fasciitis sucks majorly. I have it too, it’s what finally sent me to a podiatrist. Have you had the treatment with the ultrasound wand thingy?”
I had that problem for years and it still flares up sometimes. Anti-inflamatories help (I use Celebrex) and so do anti-inflammatory gels, things like Voltaren and Feldene if placed right at the ends of the muscle where it attaches to the bone at the heel and just behind the ball of the foot. If it’s really bad there are injections into the heel of the foot that really help but are very painful for about ten seconds after the injection. Also hard orthotic insoles made of plastic and molded to your foot. You’d need to see a podiatrist for those because they need to take impressions to get them just right. The “ultrasound wand thingy ” helps too but you need to have the treatment often. There are also heat treatments that can help. Physiotherapy is great!
Orthotics are a lifesaver! I’ve had mine about fifteen months. My podiatrist’s reaction when he saw how flat and pronated my feet are was “Wow … ”
I haven’t had the injections (brrr … reminds me of the anaesthetic I had when I had growth whatsits burned out thirty years back: felt like the needle went all the way up my leg) but I had a course of the ultrasounds, which also got pretty painful. I’m seeing an osteopath now. Part of my problem is my back locking up and the way my pelvis rotates when I walk; I think it all goes back to a lifetime of bad walking because my legs are such different lengths. Still, it did lead to the band name Pelvic Tilt being coined. ;)
PS yes, anti inflammatories are very helpful. I had Voltaren pills on scrip and use the gel as well.
What gets me is how inconsistent the pain is. My feet are mostly okay now, but from day to day I might have pain in one knee or both, or in the thighs, hips, calves, ankles … not all at once, but I never know when it’ll be a good day or when the damn things will play up. It’s not crippling pain, nothing like that; the worst is if it makes bending squatting to get things from low shelves at work painful. Or, yeah, after a vigorous round of having my legs mauled by my osteo, lol! Ow, ow, ow …
What I’m not getting about all this brouhaha and MRA whining is why they care at all. Nobody’s stopping them playing the games they like, when they like and Anita’s videos may well draw more women into gaming, especially if the companies create games to cater to them but why is that and skin off the guy’s noses? Is it really that they just don’t want women horning in on what they consider to be “their” turf? Are they really stupid enough to think they can do that?
They also complain about the money Anita raised through Kickstarter and whether or not they consider it to be a good use of the funds but why do they care? They didn’t pay it, it was donated by people who are interested and supportive and they are really the only people to whom she’s answerable. It’s none of the male gamer’s business, it’s strictly between Anita and her backers and I haven’t heard them complaining.
Maybe it’s simple envy. Anita asked for support and was given far more than she asked for. People believed in what she was doing and wanted in on it. When was the last time an MRA project garnered that kind if support? I can’t think of a single instance.
There are many questions that I hope she’ll address later in her series but as an introduction the video isn’t a bad place to start.
Perhaps they don’t like hearing any suggestion that there’s something wrong with their violent fantasies – these being the same guys whose reaction to women online is threats of rape and worse. How dare anyone remind them that women are people, not objects of their fantasies.
Kitteh said:
“What gets me is how inconsistent the pain is. My feet are mostly okay now, but from day to day I might have pain in one knee or both, or in the thighs, hips, calves, ankles … not all at once, but I never know when it’ll be a good day or when the damn things will play up. It’s not crippling pain, nothing like that; the worst is if it makes bending squatting to get things from low shelves at work painful. Or, yeah, after a vigorous round of having my legs mauled by my osteo, lol! Ow, ow, ow …”
Yep, that’s generally what happens. You tend to favor the sore foot, shift your weight about trying to accommodate it, that upsets the muscles and joints in your knees, then your hips, which pushes your spine slightly out of alignment, which affects your shoulders and eventually your neck. Am I right in assuming you’re in your twenties? I’m in my fifties and the lopsidedness is pretty obvious with me but I waited much to long to have those orthotics made. With any luck you’ve caught it in time and it won’t have upset things too much. I can walk but not very far and it hurts, so please, if you have this problem see if there’s a way of dealing with it now rather than later. My medical file is about a foot thick and many of my problems could have been avoided if I’d gotten my orthotics fifteen years earlier. Voltaren has it’s own set of problems (stomach ulcers and that kind of thing) and Celebrex does unpleasant stuff to one’s liver. They help hugely with one problem but create others.
Ah, before I forget…something both simple and helpful. A long piece of strong elastic or latex that you can use as resistance while stretching your legs. You can shift your foot in such a way as to stretch and relax all those sore foot, hip and calf muscles. Do it often enough and they’ll get much stronger and less painful.
Kitteh:
I really think you have something here. I find it darkly amusing that when women talk about violence, sexism and objectification their first response is to threaten to rape or kill them, thus making the women’s point for them, far more graphically than they any amount of reasoned argument or simple denial. Funnier still, they don’t seem to realize it!
Seranvali — just an FYI here, but I’m nearly certain that kitteh is closer to your age than mine (27 here)
As for joints, my back thinks ~20° curve wuld be just a dandy trick, throws everything else out of whack. It’s part of my aversion to truly flat shoes actually, I slouch and roll my ankles in them, even a little heel makes me stand up much straighter. Not really relevant I guess, but goddamned am I glad I didn’t land an inch higher — I whacked that stair with my less happy knee.
In completely random things, my fish are being weird, even for them. Looks like our weather’s deciding to go from questionable to rainy, love my cute little barometers :)
Seranvali – flatterer! ;) Argenti’s right, I’ll be fifty in a few months, and it’s only in the last year-odd that these problems have really caught up with me. Thanks for the tip about the elastic, and for the variablility of the pain. I should mention that to my poor osteopath, she’s getting a bit baffled by it all and I’m getting a double session (two osteos) tomorrow so she can have a second opinion.
I find one thing that helps often is a back brace – just a shaped elastic belt with various adjustable straps and stiffening strips. Adds support, and it’s nice in cold weather because it concentrates heat, but it’s a pain having to wear it in 36C weather!
Argenti, you’ve mentioned you have scoliosis, haven’t you? OT really but did you see the news about the recovery of Richard III’s skeleton? Turns out he had severe scoliosis that took inches off his heigh (he’d have been about 5′ 8″ otherwise) and probably developed in his teens.
Barometers … we have one at work called the Mood Barometer, with things like Happy or Cranky or whatever written on it. We were saying today that it’d be great to have an online Mood Barometer for customers to check before they ring us. If it reads “Overnight server meltdown” it goes red and you don’t ring us before midday.
Argenti Aertheri:
“Argenti Aertheri | March 12, 2013 at 4:32 am
Seranvali — just an FYI here, but I’m nearly certain that kitteh is closer to your age than mine (27 here)”
Ah…thankyou, I stand corrected.
“As for joints, my back thinks ~20° curve wuld be just a dandy trick, throws everything else out of whack. It’s part of my aversion to truly flat shoes actually, I slouch and roll my ankles in them, even a little heel makes me stand up much straighter. Not really relevant I guess, but goddamned am I glad I didn’t land an inch higher — I whacked that stair with my less happy knee.”
Both flats and heels are a problem, I find. I need either a small heel or memory foam inner soles. I like high heels but I’ve not been able to wear them since I broke my leg about ten years ago. I gave them all away and it made me sad. I think my sister has most of them so at least I know she’ll get to enjoy them!
“In completely random things, my fish are being weird, even for them. Looks like our weather’s deciding to go from questionable to rainy, love my cute little barometers.”
I think fishes Know Stuff and they aren’t telling. I suspect that cats do too but if you’re really nice to them they’ll give you hints but you have to figure out the details by yourself. Cats like to make you work while they sit and look inscrutable.
Oh and totally off topic but never off topic: I’m trawling old threads and cloudiah posted this in January, and squeeeeee!
“the fact that rape threats are a thing says a lot about how rape isn’t a lapse of self-control, but often a tool to punish and control others. ”
I thought this was a good quote to post……
An excellent one indeed, melody.
PS you feeling any better than yesterday?
Kitteh said:
“Seranvali – flatterer! Argenti’s right, I’ll be fifty in a few months, and it’s only in the last year-odd that these problems have really caught up with me. Thanks for the tip about the elastic, and for the variablility of the pain. I should mention that to my poor osteopath, she’s getting a bit baffled by it all and I’m getting a double session (two osteos) tomorrow so she can have a second opinion.”
My podiatrist told me about the effects on the rest of my body. I’d not thought of it that way but she described exactly how it felt. I discovered about the elastic from a video a friend gave me about pilates. I wasn’t sure about the rest but that tip turned out to be really helpful.
“I find one thing that helps often is a back brace – just a shaped elastic belt with various adjustable straps and stiffening strips. Adds support, and it’s nice in cold weather because it concentrates heat, but it’s a pain having to wear it in 36C weather!”
Yes, I can see that it would help. It would physically straighten you up and absorb some of the stress from your hips and shoulders. I can see that it would be a monster in hot weather!
“Argenti, you’ve mentioned you have scoliosis, haven’t you? OT really but did you see the news about the recovery of Richard III’s skeleton? Turns out he had severe scoliosis that took inches off his heigh (he’d have been about 5′ 8″ otherwise) and probably developed in his teens.”
Poor man. I read Josephine Tey’s novel about him as a teenager and felt that Shakespeare had maligned him. I’m glad they finally found his body. Are they going to rebury him at the Abbey or leave him where he is?
“Barometers … we have one at work called the Mood Barometer, with things like Happy orCranky or whatever written on it. We were saying today that it’d be great to have an online Mood Barometer for customers to check before they ring us. If it reads “Overnight server meltdown” it goes red and you don’t ring us before midday.”
Hahaha! We need one of those at my place!
Nice bit of serendipity: I’m reading the Nice Guys of OKCupid thread from January, and we started talking about misogyny in geekdom here.
@The kitteh
I am feeling much better. I still have a headache, but I can live with that. And I had an over 24hour break from work.
I have scoliosis too and really hate the idea of a brace…..
“Poor man. I read Josephine Tey’s novel about him as a teenager and felt that Shakespeare had maligned him. I’m glad they finally found his body. Are they going to rebury him at the Abbey or leave him where he is?”
I read Daughter of Time too! Only book I’ve finished and started reading again immediately – I mean, instantly, straight back to the front page. There are so many questions unanswered, but yeah, I’m basically a Ricardian. Even if he did kill his nephews … horrible, but every other king deposed in medieval England was killed by his successor. It was simply too dangerous to leave them alive. Look at what happened to Henry VI: Edward IV took the crown, ten years later there was a counter-rising that reinstated Henry for a few months, then Edward took it again and after that, and with Henry’s son already dead in battle, there was no reason to keep him alive.
There hasn’t been a decision about where Richard will be reburied, yet. I don’t know if the Abbey is on the cards at all. Leicester Cathedral is pushing for him to be buried there, and York Minster is making its claim (it’s quite possible he would have wanted to be buried there after his long time spent in the North). St George’s Chapel, Windsor, would be a good choice, being the other main royal sepulchre. I hope he is buried in York Minster. One MP is pushing for a form of state funeral to be held, which I’d really love to happen.
Did you see the facial reconstruction done from his skull?
Glad you’re feeling better, melody!
Oh poop, broken link.
Richard III