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Nat, any ideas on making tofu itself more flavorful? Also, the fainting imam it is!
kitteh — D’AWWW goofy looking fishies!
Also a fan of “unstable housing” — I was paying rent for a fold out couch before I moved back in here, technically homeless, but secure enough I wasn’t worried about my fish. Seems wrong to call that homeless when people sleep in shelters and on the streets. Yeah it wasn’t stable housing, but really, damned near it (subletting a room is normal in college towns, subletting a couch isn’t that weird, but technically not stable housing)
I miss the PNW SO MUCH.
My favorite apples are the Macintosh I grew up with in NY. Delicious.
Brz, no one cares what you want to talk about, so fuck off.
@LBT – The honey crisp I had were from the orchard where I got ‘em, so it wasn’t like the sort of blah flavourless frozen and gassed to ripeness stuff at the supermarkets. It was late in the season, perhaps they just weren’t the best, I dunno. I’m just glad we have a greengrocer here at home who gets fruit from local growers (and that there are any local growers left). The not-so-flash looking apples they have in their outdoor boxes (the ones with the odd insect spot or whatever) taste WAY better and are cheaper than the oh-so-glossy ones the supermarket sells.
That’s quite an effect if Pink Ladies have become too strong for you! They’re usually anything but tangy even when they’re not quite sweet enough. :(
@pillow in hell – LOL curried food and Chinese food are right up there on my Will Not Eat list! Eating Italian or French food is adventurous enough for me. :)
RE: Argenti
Yeah, I was actually looking up the definition of unstable housing when I was working on the webcomic, since I needed a tag for my housing situation, but I didn’t want to use the wrong one. Apparently it also includes ‘prison.’
And yeah, I’m doing pretty good. I have a steady bed, shower and kitchen facilities, people who love me… I just sleep in a closet. Which sucks, but still is AGES better than the street. (Which I still rank higher than moving in with my folks.)
LBT — prison kinda makes sense considering how many prisoners are released with nowhere to go.
Also, I’m going to be in Boston this week, email me about lunch plans?
@pillow in hell
I wouldn’t use tofu in chili, it’s too easy for it to become sloppy and leave you with a weird texture. I usually just use 3-5 different types of beans, and maybe some lentils. Green lentils would probably have a texture most similar to ground beef, I think, but I’ve never regularly eaten meat-based meals and stopped completely when I was 11, so I’m no authority on that!
I only use tofu rarely, but when I do I cut it into cubes about 1 inch square and deep fry it*, then add it to things with quite heavy sauces. We had it tonight in a thai red curry, but I also put it in pies with creamy sauces. The thin crust you get with frying it makes the sauce stick to it, and the small size means there’s not so much of the blandness in the middle. But lots of people swear by just marinating it – I’m too lazy to bother is all!
One of the main things with tofu is to try drain it as much as you possibly can – I drain it, press it and then press it again with kitchen towels to draw out the rest.
(*shallow frying works too, so don’t worry if you don’t have one but it’s more likely to crumble and takes longer)
@thenetfantastic
That is exactly what we do to tofu (although we do a pan fry). We love it in green curry. I think marinated tofu is fantastic, but we are also too lazy. We place tofu with paper towels between two plates in the fridge with heavy stuff on top because we are … lazy! :)
*tofu fives*
Any way to make tofu less work is awesome.
I’m still trying to come up with a way to fry my tofu so it is perfectly crispy.
Surprisingly difficult.
Wait, the rent is cheap? As compared to what?
For veggie recipes, you can sub out the meat for tofu in almost any Chinese stir fried dish. Pan frying tofu makes it tastier too. You need to squish all the liquid out of it first, though, or it will just fall apart (pressing it between two heavy books is one way to do this). Also, since you’re not completely vegetarian, have you tried making dry fried green beans with Chinese bacon? There’s very little bacon in it, it’s basically used as a flavoring in the same way you’d use garlic. You can use Chinese bacon like that in a lot of vegetable dishes, kind of the same way you’d use pancetta in Italian food. Also, if the goal is to up your intake of veggies, there are a lot of Arab dishes you can try where that happens naturally and the meat is used more as a flavoring than a main ingredient.
If the goal is a purely vegetarian main dish that will be satisfying to meat eaters I can’t say enough good things about kabocha. It’s super filling, really tasty, and not as sweet as conventional pumpkin. Also smaller, so easier to use before it goes off.
Also, since you like curries, it’s pretty easy to sub out the meat for something else in Thai curries. Just use a hearty vegetable if you want it to be filling. Pumpkin in red curry is a traditional way to go and makes a lovely hearty winter dinner.
I have an awesome tofu black bean recipe. You do marinade it but not for long. And I don’t squeeze the water out, I pan fry it and it crisps up nicely.
And can I also recommend Lisa’s Vegetarian Kitchen as a blog? Plus the fat free vegan blog? I made her cauliflower daal with panch phoran and it was lush.
I loooooooove cooking, especially Indian food.
God I had a horrible experience with a Nice Guy ™ once. Maybe someday we should all share stories about how those guys are actually like (sort of like everyday sexism, but just stories about these nice guys)…I had a “friend” who threatened to kill himself because I refused to talk to him after he made a move on me (more than once, actually) even though I said I wasn’t interested and I had a boyfriend. He just wouldn’t leave me alone, stalking me, calling me and pestering my friends. And some people (who didn’t know the whole story, of course, since even after all he did I still didn’t want to share all the details because I thought I would be humiliating him) thought I was the bad guy.
NNY: What might be unrealistic to one person, might be realistic (or even easy) to another. Why should someone lower their standards because a group of people don’t or can’t meet that standard? Even more so when it comes to dating. There is no affirmative action for people dating (nor should there be). People should be free to accept/reject anyone for any reason they choose.
Then why is this dude complaining that the women he’s interested in aren’t reciprocating?
Because that’s the thing. He’s acting all entitled: that they have standards (and he’s not included in the group which makes the cut), is what he’s upset about; while making a point that he has standards.
Hypocrisy and misogyny go hand in hand.
Cassandra, Because you indirectly are. Sure you don’t like the fact that he is making a video complaining about women of LA having too high standards.
See, right there. Let me repeat what you said above: Why should someone lower their standards. If they get to have standards, he has no cause for complaint. If he has cause for complaint (implicit in your allegation), then someone (apparently not him) is possessed of standards you allow to be disapproved of.
it’s all his fault for wanting to date an attractive woman. Not that the women he criticizes might be shallow and rejecting him based on something superficial like his looks.
What? Again, one is allowed to have standards (and he certainly objects to some women based on their looks so, pot/kettle, etc.), or one isn’t. Looks, btw aren’t, ipso facto shallow. If someone doesn’t possses any physical attraction to me, then a romantic/sexual relationship is really unlikely. It’s sure as hell not going to be a casual thing; time and familiarity might make someone who was otherwise not an immediate bell-ringer a possible candidate for sexytimes/romance, but that’s not what he’s advocating, is it?
You basically want him to accept the premise that he should shut up and date a woman less attractive than he wants to accept.
Nope. Our premise is that choices (i.e. his to chase “supermodels”) have consequences; often predictable, and this his complaining about those predictable consequences (i.e. other people have agency, and that agency may disappoint his boner) is stupid, and; in this context, offensive.
I just see it as a difference of opinion.
Nope. You see it as an acceptable double standard.
NNY: Joanna, I highly doubt a supermodel would date a fat slob of a guy.
Kucinich, he’s a short, scrawny guy with far from conventionally good looks (I think he looks a bit like an underfed chicken). His wife is a model.
I don’t care that he gets mocked. I just find it interesting why YOU choose to mock him.
No, you don’t. If you did you’d not be lying about the cause. It might have been poor understanding at first, but there has beeb lots of explanation, which you have ignored. At this point it’s reasonable to assume you have an agenda.
As to the nonsense that beauty has some inherent quality (see your comment about what makes someone attractive in one country will mean they are attractive in all others… the stupid goes way up if you try to say it’s only true for women), it’s rubbish.
If it were true then the standards of beauty would never have changed; nor would they be so different as they actually are (the S. pacific like really zaftig women, Britain not so much even with the homogenisation of the internet).
Jerky: Aaaand what makes you think men don’t have the exact same privilege?
They don’t if they want to ever be in a relationship. As a rule:
a. Women’s problem is finding a partner they are compatible with.
b. Men’s problem is finding any partner.
What? Once again I am being lumped in the, “alpha” category (despite my feminist beliefs making me an obvious mangina). Finding a partner has never been hard; if I didn’t care whom I was dating. Finding one who was compatible, that’s been the hurdle to clear. Even at my most actively poly (five partners, two of them transcontinental, and one in another country), compatibility was the thing which caused those which failed to founder.
I was (for two of the three which failed) the one who broke it off.
And as jerkass was asked before … if men have so much trouble getting any partners, who are women who find compatible partners paired up with?
To make tofu more firm and chewy, freezing it helps a great deal!
On Apples: All of a type are clones. The only differences will be based on nutrition (apples never breed true, and Johny Appleseed was interesting. 1: he was selling apple trees for hard cider, and 2: he invented the franchise model of investment.
pillow in hell: Last week we had tofu chili. The tofu is okay, but I think it needs to be marinated to pick up a bit more flavor before its added to chili. Chili is a bit strange without the ground beef.
for veggie chili I like the soy-based chorizo. It has the right flavor profile, and then one can just use beans; which makes it pretty damned good.
I was less than clear, the differences in taste are based on the nutrition the tree gets. I suppose one could test scions on different rootstocks to see if the flavor can be affected/shaped.
My work carries a tofu press… if you do that, then put it into a dish with about 1/4 volume of the expressed liquid you can marinate it, and still have it be firm. Then it fries pretty well.
pecunium
I have no idea why he is complaining why the women aren’t reciprocating. Maybe he is just ranting. Maybe he is trying to persuade them to change their minds (poorly I might add IMO). Who the hell knows since the only person that knows what is going on in his own mind, is himself.
Again, with this “entitled” non-sense. Fine, we see it differently. I think there is a subtle difference between “You suck for not wanting to sleep with me” (stupid, but not entitled) and “You owe me sex because I said so” (entitled),
Also, when I think of entitled (plus, the actual definition!), I think of someone having a legal or de facto claim to something. Meaning he doesn’t have to ask permission and she has no other choice besides obliging him. If he didn’t have to ask permission and he wanted to sleep with these girls, then he would. There would be no need to create a video ranting about why he can’t sleep with them. The fact that the video exists is evidence that he isn’t entitled to sex. At the bare minimum, he might want to be entitled to sex, but he isn’t.
Everyone is free to have whatever standards they want. However, one must face the consequences of those standards. If I choose to date only black women, moving to China would certainly make dating more difficult for me. I have already said the creator of the video should have worked on himself prior to making any video to make himself more attractive (new clothes, better hygiene, more hobbies, more interests, etc…).
Personally, I just see the video as a poorly executed satire. So I don’t really take it all that seriously.
How exactly are those consequences predictable?
Kucinich is a bad example. For one he isn’t fat, two he isn’t a slob. He is also fairly wealthy, has a high social standing (being a politician and all) and is well known. You don’t see a random 30 year old long haul truck driver dating a supermodel. That was the point I was trying to make. Not some rich, well known politician that is dating a supermodel. Hell, that is borderline cliche.
Did you actually not read my posts. I have mocked the guy a few times. Hell, I even think I insulted him once. I even said above in this post that his thinking is stupid and he should work on himself before ranting on about the “Women of LA”. I am hardly taking the guys side. I am just not hating on him like the majority of the commenters here. I’m basically calling him stupid when everyone else is calling him a scumbag. So apparently, if I don’t dislike him as much as you (and the other commenters), I am somehow approving of him? There is a grey area, I don’t see things in black and white terms. There are more choices than just good and bad.
I am certainly not getting into a debate about beauty since you have already made your stance very clear. It would be futile.
Dude, you’re the guy who made the videos; why should we care what you have to say?
“I think there is a subtle difference between “You suck for not wanting to sleep with me” (stupid, but not entitled) and “You owe me sex because I said so” (entitled), ”
It’s the same thing. The first is saying she SHOULD be sleeping with him and that there’s something wrong in her actions for not doing so.
Taking a narrow, legalistic view of what entitlement means in the sense of male entitlement is missing the point completely. He does feel he’s entitled to have whoever he fancies: that’s why he’s complaining. He’s whining because those women have the option of saying no. You need to expand your understanding of the term.
katz – oh, it’s the fuckwit creep himself?
Hey, dude, stop dressing like a dork and acting like a creep and treating women as if we owe you a fuck, and who knows, maybe you’ll get somewhere!
Kitteh, well, he slipped into first person a few pages back.
Yeah, I remember that now.
Fucking hell, did Brandon start making videos? Tedious explainer is tedious.
Oh hey, do we need a dictionary?
Entitle, verb
1: to give a title to : designate
2: to furnish with proper grounds for seeking or claiming something
Entitlement, noun
1a: the state or condition of being entitled : right
b: a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
2: a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program
3: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges
So, how is it again that feeling entitled means he has a right to have sex with her?
Which, btw, is not only not a thing, but rape — you are never actually entitled to sex, you can only feel entitled to sex…well, unless you rape someone, I guess then you can claim you committed rape because you were entitled to sex…but it’s still rape.
First — *executes the rogue comma, instates a period as the new dictator*
Second — your first statement there, the “you suck” one? See the definition above for entitlement. The second one? The rapey one? Entitled, and “having sex” because “I said so”? Hello rape charges!
So yeah, your “subtle difference”? It’s the difference between the noun form of the word, and the verb form.
Finally, fuck this noise, potential historical zombie outbreaks = way more interesting (hey, at least that’s funny, which is so much more than NNY has going for zir) Oh and I finally caved to skinny pants and picked up at pair at Salvation Army, because every good pair of expensive knee high leather boots needs pants that show them off…and cost $5
Yo, whiny dude! If this is how you usually react when people challenge things that you say it’s no wonder you can’t get laid. Even if you were more attractive your personality would put off anyone who wasn’t blind drunk.
(PS, the part about wishing you could get women drunker? Creepy, very creepy.)
Dude really does sound like Br@don, though. Maybe he moved out west?
Serious question, wtf is with the nonsense about how feminists think drunk sex is rape so any sex on any amount of booze/drugs, no matter the circumstances, must be rape by feminist standards? I’m not the only one here to have encountered this shit right?
Wtf is hard about the idea that if there wasn’t sober consent, there ain’t drunk/high consent? And that is there is sober consent, then drunk/high consent can be a thing, at least in theory (and potentially in practice, ymmv, etc)
Sorry, I just want to go “oh god not the bees” today.
It’s deliberate misdirection, imo. People only trot out that argument when they’re imagining a situation in which they know very well that the person they want to fuck would say no if sober. They want to incapacitate their target and have a way to claim that it wasn’t an act of deliberate manipulation, and “well zie chose to get drunk!” is a useful way to direct attention away from their own sketchy behavior.
If you’re in a situation where you aren’t sure whether or not someone really wants to fuck you because they’re too drunk, you can always just wait until you both sober up in the morning and find out.
And if your retort to that is “but then I won’t get laid!”…go to hell, do not pass go, but collect those $200, you’ll need it for legal fees.
I’d meant from the general “feminists are too uptight” crowd through, not the proto-rapists. I get why proto-rapists pull that shit, wtf I don’t get is why people get all “well I could never be a feminist, I enjoy a glass of wine and sometimes I want sex afterwards” — like, good for you?
Then again, the bullshit and misdirection is strong in the entire anti-feminist crowd…
I’m cranky, the bullshit from my father was extra bullshity today. I mean, my brother and I had to explain the difference between Cajun and French — he’d managed to forget about the entire country of France! (While ranting racist about Cajun cooking)
Racist about Cajun food? So, like, fuck that jambalaya, it’s just too damn tasty?
More like the TV said something about French cooking and he went off about how it’s all crawfish, how’s that food?!
Kind of hilarious if you ignore the crawfish isn’t food part (Vodou and Wicca are the same thing dontcha know…he just should STFU on all things remotely Cajun, or otherwise near/around/pertaining to New Orleans)
…and Haiti, and the rest of the Caribbean, and South America, and Africa, and Asia, and the South Pacific, and India, and the Middle East, and the Balkans (that was more a geography mistake than racism), and apparently France…
Actually, maybe he just shouldn’t speak at all…
If I made this video, I would be slapping ads all over it to make bank.
Argenti, If my partner says “no”, I respect that. However, if I get “no” over weeks or months, then I am going to come to the conclusion that we aren’t a good match sexually and find someone I am more compatible with. So in a way, I feel entitled to have sex when I am in an intimate relationship with someone.
Even if he felt entitled to sex from every single woman in that video. That doesn’t change reality. And that reality is those women still didn’t lose their agency. They clearly could have told him to “fuck off” or whatever. They weren’t required or forced to do what he wanted.
Oh, and from a legal standpoint. Getting consent while drunk is a haphazard way of getting consent. I would even go so far as to say it should be avoided at all costs. Plus, the concept of drunk people giving consent is one big ass legal grey area. In my mind, it’s actually safer to just never have sex while your partner is drunk. Thus, you avoid these problems.
Just wait until he figures out how much of the culinary influence in the cuisine of the New Orleans area is actually African*. Seriously, if you get a chance to try Joloff Chicken you’ll be sitting there going “oh, so this is where jambalaya came from”.
(Scroll down and look at the recipe and photo – http://www.nairaland.com/269978/best-way-prepare-jollof-rice/1 .)
* It really irks me how often people just sort of write off the African influence on that particular cuisine and focus on the French influence instead. It’s so blatantly racist.
(And yeah, I know that Cajun and Creole are not the same thing, but most people effectively treat them as if they are if they’re not actually from Louisiana themselves.)
Maybe if we talk about food tedious dude will go away.
I am always down for a sirloin steak with a quality bourbon.
Wow, Argenti. You ought to start a Twitter account for stupid shit he says.
Wow, he’s just as tedious about food as he is about everything else.
Hey, I watched Breathless earlier today, and Jean Seberg is totally negged in that movie.
Random topic that might hopefully bore the troll into leaving! Mr C and I were playing this game the other day.
If you were for some reason restricted to eating the food of only one country for the rest of your life, which country would you pick? Possible things to consider – level of diversity within the cuisine, what you’d prefer your staple starch to be, whether or not you care about dessert/vegetarian options/being able to drink booze with your food/how healthy it would be overall.
I didn’t even have to think about it – I would choose China.
India. Vegetarian options galore. (I’m a lapsed vegetarian, but still eat low on the food chain about 80% of the time.)
Sorry Cassandra, but I’m approaching least favorite anniversary time and thus cannot ignore “drunk consent is a grey area”
NNY — re: entitled vs entitlement, dude felt/feels entitled to have sex with people who do not want to have sex with him, wtf is your point with how they could tell him to fuck off? Doesn’t make him less of an asshole, or less rapey if he insists on having sex anyways. As for “entitled to have sex in a relationship”, nope, you’re entitled to break up, form a new relationship, whatever, but you are not entitled to sex from anyone (ever, period)
Re: drunk consent as a legal grey area — I have expect Pecunium to have replied to that before I hit post, cuz iPad. But if not — getting consent while your (potential) partner is drunk isn’t haphazard, or grey area, or any of the weasel words you want to use to dance around the fact that sex while too intoxicated to consent is rape. Give me a moment and I’ll pull a legal example even.
As for never having sex while your partner is drunk, thanks for proving the point of wtf I just asked about — assuming y’all were consenting while sober, and did not revoke consent (implied or explicit) there’s no reason to swear of all intoxicated sex. If you want to, well go ahead, but don’t make it sound like this is some feminist requirement.
TMI time! Sex on MDMA is amazing — we were already having sexytimes, both in general and that day, and thought it sounded like an interesting idea. It was an excellent idea. /but high sex can be awesome if you aren’t an asshole/rapist
@ cloudiah
India and Thailand would be tied for second place for me. The funny thing was that going down the list there was only one European country that made it into the top 10 for either of us (Italy for me, Spain for him).
Sec. 53a-70. Sexual assault in the first degree: Class B or A felony. (a) A person is guilty of sexual assault in the first degree when such person (1) compels another person to engage in sexual intercourse by the use of force against such other person or a third person, or by the threat of use of force against such other person or against a third person which reasonably causes such person to fear physical injury to such person or a third person, or (2) engages in sexual intercourse with another person and such other person is under thirteen years of age and the actor is more than two years older than such person, or (3) commits sexual assault in the second degree as provided in section 53a-71 and in the commission of such offense is aided by two or more other persons actually present, or (4) engages in sexual intercourse with another person and such other person is mentally incapacitated to the extent that such other person is unable to consent to such sexual intercourse.
(5) “Mentally incapacitated” means that a person is rendered temporarily incapable of appraising or controlling such person’s conduct owing to the influence of a drug or intoxicating substance administered to such person without such person’s consent, or owing to any other act committed upon such person without such person’s consent.
Sec. 53a-71. Sexual assault in the second degree: Class C or B felony. (a) A person is guilty of sexual assault in the second degree when such person engages in sexual intercourse with another person and: (1) Such other person is thirteen years of age or older but under sixteen years of age and the actor is more than three years older than such other person; or (2) such other person is mentally defective to the extent that such other person is unable to consent to such sexual intercourse; or (3) such other person is physically helpless; or (4) such other person is less than eighteen years old and the actor is such person’s guardian or otherwise responsible for the general supervision of such person’s welfare; or (5) such other person is in custody of law or detained in a hospital or other institution and the actor has supervisory or disciplinary authority over such other person; or (6) the actor is a psychotherapist and such other person is (A) a patient of the actor and the sexual intercourse occurs during the psychotherapy session, (B) a patient or former patient of the actor and such patient or former patient is emotionally dependent upon the actor, or (C) a patient or former patient of the actor and the sexual intercourse occurs by means of therapeutic deception; or (7) the actor accomplishes the sexual intercourse by means of false representation that the sexual intercourse is for a bona fide medical purpose by a health care professional; or (8) the actor is a school employee and such other person is a student enrolled in a school in which the actor works or a school under the jurisdiction of the local or regional board of education which employs the actor; or (9) the actor is a coach in an athletic activity or a person who provides intensive, ongoing instruction and such other person is a recipient of coaching or instruction from the actor and (A) is a secondary school student and receives such coaching or instruction in a secondary school setting, or (B) is under eighteen years of age; or (10) the actor is twenty years of age or older and stands in a position of power, authority or supervision over such other person by virtue of the actor’s professional, legal, occupational or volunteer status and such other person’s participation in a program or activity, and such other person is under eighteen years of age.
(6) “Physically helpless” means that a person is unconscious or for any other reason is physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act.
If you really want to test whether not quite physically helpless and incapacitated by her own drinking is legal, well that’s not “haphazard”, that’s fucking rape-tastic. Normal people do not go looking for cracks in the law which allow you to get away with rape (why do I know this one? Because my ex found that crack and exploited it, so fuck you very much NNY)
(Also we agreed that we couldn’t cheat by using options like Singapore where there are multiple different cuisines thriving in one place.)
If I were to completely lapse as a vegetarian, French would be the European I chose, with Italian and Spanish being the runners up. Barring that, Ethiopian and Thai would be my 2nd choices (ahead of European). Really good Mexican is up there, but again only if I give up on trying to be a veg-head.
And go Argenti, go! No need to ignore just because we are.
Food choice — India, easily.
katz — he’s a frequent flyer on my regular twitter account (I’m very boring, I’m ArgentiAertheri everywhere)
India, no question. It’s just got so much diversity. Spicy things, milder things, veggies, meat, legumes, bread, rice, potatoes, interesting drinks…
Mr C put Vietnamese first (it was in my top 10 too). The hardest part was figuring out how to include the food of the Persian Gulf and the Levant, since cuisines tend to blend into each other there rather than being distinct. Persia, however, is its own thing and definitely goes on the list. It’s also a much better option for vegetarians than you might realize from looking at a restaurant menu. Completely out for vegans, though.
Argenti,
Whatever. My point being is that continuing an intimate relationship is stipulated on frequent sex. If the other person refuses, then that relationship is dissolved.
I never said the guy that made this video was some upstanding citizen.
Your stance on drunk sex is still convoluted. On one point you say “the fact that sex while too intoxicated to consent is rape”. Then you said “assuming y’all were consenting while sober, and did not revoke consent (implied or explicit) there’s no reason to swear of all intoxicated sex.”
So from what I can gather, drunk sex is only consensual when it started off when both parties were sober and gave consent. Is that the position you are taking?
My position is, as soon as a person is intoxicated, that person automatically has revoked all consent (present and future). Drunk people are not in a mental state that allows them to consent, thus accepting consent from someone intoxicated, you are committing rape. Regardless of if they consented sober.
So from my standpoint, your position is actually rape.
I live in Tehrangeles. Persian home cooking is amazing; the restaurant stuff I don’t like as much. What they do with rice is transformative — for the rice, and for the consumer of rice. They also make some sweets that are incredible, though I don’t like many of them.
Lebanese food, and maybe Armenian, are my favorite from that region.
And now I’m hungry.
Shut up NNY. No one cares.
Now I’m watching Down by Law. (The Criterion collection is free on Hulu this weekend.)
NNY: So we can add stupid to dishonest: I have no idea why he is complaining why the women aren’t reciprocating. Maybe he is just ranting.
If you don’t know why he’s doing it, and you don’t agree with the premise he’s spouting (that women ought not be allowed to have the same sort of criteria he does), why are you supporting and defending him?
That’s stupid, and you’re soaking in it.
Also, when I think of entitled (plus, the actual definition!), I think of someone having a legal or de facto claim to something.
Because we are discussing the sense of entitlement. The idea that he is owed a supermodel; which he expresses in the video.
How exactly are those consequences predictable?
He has unreasonable expectations. They are not being realised.
Kucinich is a bad example. For one he isn’t fat, two he isn’t a slob. He is also fairly wealthy, has a high social standing (being a politician and all) and is well known.
Um… Kucinich wasn’t all that well known in 1977 when he married Sandra Lee McCarthy; who was no slouch in the looks dept. either. So the “rich and famous” argument doesn’t wash. Then again, not fat, and not a slob don’t seem to apply to you, so what’s keeping all the hot babes from clubbing you on the head and dragging you off to bed?
Oh yeah, those unreasonable expectations.
I am certainly not getting into a debate about beauty since you have already made your stance very clear. What is, “my stance
It would be futile.
I agree, but not for the reasons you think.
I’m basically calling him stupid when everyone else is calling him a scumbag. So apparently, if I don’t dislike him as much as you (and the other commenters)
I don’t dislike him. I don’t know him. I disdain him. He is peurile, immature, and lacking in talent. Where he might have actually attempted satire he chose rather to vent his personal spleen in a way more revelatory of his inner double standard and dislike of women as agents.
You, in a similar way, have refused to engage with those who ask you direct questions, ignore the actual arguments, present strawmen and misrepresent the arguments made; while attempting to redefine the terms in use (see above, re “entitled”). Conveniently this shifts the debate to ground which appears more favorable; but even stacking the deck you are both unable (see what passes for argument in the above reply to me) present a coherent argument, nor willing to debate the point you choose to raise (e.g. standards of beauty).
It’s pathetic. You were doing better when it looked as if you had quit the field. There was at least a pretense of dignity in that.
*bangs head on wall* one or two drinks is technically intoxicated, probably DUI level even, but two drinks making it rape even with someone who’s already consenting? Why the fuck do people think feminists think this?!
Where does this madness come from?!
“Too intoxicated” =/= “remotely intoxicated” but if you have that much issue with modifiers, I really cannot help you.
Anyone else want to try explaining this? I’m too tired and annoyed to lay out step by step the difference between a couple of drinks and falling down drunk…NNY, go google BAC, wiki has a nice chart. Wtf BAC is “too intoxicated” is a YMMV situation, and you’re welcome to say any booze at all is too much, but legally, well, I just fucking pasted you an example.
I am always down for a sirloin steak with a quality bourbon.
So you are boring in the kitchen, and the dining room too, not just on the internet.
Even if he felt entitled to sex from every single woman in that video. That doesn’t change reality. And that reality is those women still didn’t lose their agency. They clearly could have told him to “fuck off” or whatever. They weren’t required or forced to do what he wanted.
Again with the pointless quibbles. The issue isn’t “does he have a legal claim to fuck them agaisnt their will?”, but “Does he think he has a right to fuck supermodels”.
It seems he does. That means he has entitlement issues; even if he never actually acts on them.
Persian restaurant food is so boring, the menus are always so limited. Not that I don’t like kebabs, but really, more than two vegetable options would be nice, and where are the stews?
I’m really fond of Saudi food, and the food from Dubai etc which is very similar. Unfortunately it’s pretty much impossible to get here unless you make it yourself. When I finally found a store that had kebsa spices I nearly hugged the shopkeeper.
Cassandra: If you were for some reason restricted to eating the food of only one country for the rest of your life, which country would you pick? Possible things to consider – level of diversity within the cuisine, what you’d prefer your staple starch to be, whether or not you care about dessert/vegetarian options/being able to drink booze with your food/how healthy it would be overall.
Tough. I might have to go with Russian, since they borrowed, and imported, so much else of European cookery.
Indian is really high on the list too.
When I think about Alsation and Proven&ccela;al cooking France enters the list.
My love of lamb means Greece/Turkey are high on the list to consider.
Japan has some great stuff and, as you said, Chinese is tempting, but I think it probably comes in outside the top three, maybe outside the top five.
Actually…one or two shots is exactly what today needs…
Anyone want some Jameson’s? Warning though, if you have sex after you take a shot, even if you’re consenting right now, it’s rape. (Is he playing GOTCHA? I’m too tired to tell)
Also, Libyan food, I miss it so much. I’m kind of meh about potatoes in general, but there’s no place in the world that does potatoes as well as they do in Libya.
Japan makes it into my top ten, and I’d really be sad to give up sushi and sashimi, but in terms of diversity China just has so much more to offer.
If the focus was on health I’d put Japanese food in the top slot, though. Also Mr C thought it was funny that I refused to even consider a cuisine that wasn’t tea-centric for the top spot.
NNY: I never said the guy that made this video was some upstanding citizen.
Really? You said it was “weak satire”. Satire is social commentary. Since you are arguing that the main point of what you see as satire has validity; and you claim to know nothing else about him, on what do you base this claim of his lack of upstandingness?
Argenti: *bangs head on wall* one or two drinks is technically intoxicated, probably DUI level even, but two drinks making it rape even with someone who’s already consenting? Why the fuck do people think feminists think this?!
He’s using it to beat you with. He’s pretending he has a more reasonable standard for rape, because he thinks it’s impossible to have meaningful consent with anyone who has had more than one drink.
Since you don’t that means you are more supportive of rapists than he is.
That’s what he’s trying to do.
I work with a bunch of Iranians, and have known them through political work too — the home cooking is just entirely a different thing. When we have potlucks at work, OMG the food is amazing.
The uncomfortable thing about eating with Iranians in their homes if that if you admire anything they will try to give it to you.
“That’s a lovely painting.”
“Let me wrap that up so you can take it home.”
“No really, I think it’s perfect here, I just think it’s very nice.”
“It is yours now.”
They are very nice people.